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"Ladies’ night is pretty damn sexist, but it’s not because I get to enjoy free drinks while he’s stuck with an overpriced Old Monk. It’s because using women as bait to lure men is a legitimate marketing policy for clubs around the world, and this is unfortunately seen as a heartbreaking inequality for men in some parts of the world." Honestly I couldn't care less about having to pay more as a guy - yes it's unfair, but too much else swings the other way (and I probably get paid more anyway - the gender pay gap is a real thing, I've compared pay cheques with women colleagues). I do care about the difference between clubs that treat everyone as equal guests, and clubs that seek to fill themselves with women (paying less) and then selling "a club with women" as a product to men and couples (at a premium). It's immoral and it reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Clubs like Remix in Swindon charge everyone the same, and then discount mixed sex couples to encourage people to balance out the numbers. And it's a great night out - much more equal, progressive and without that feeling that everyone was given a commodity value at the door. | |||
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"Last thread got too big. Lots of people seemed angry by the idea that they'd be considered "part of the product" - well that's exactly my point, isn't it. Clubs have been using single women as a lure for men (and couples) since.. well, ever. This is not a new idea, and is basically the same thing as gender-based cover charges at clubs: https://www.arre.co.in/gender/ladies-night-feminist-wednesdays/ Ladies’ night is pretty damn sexist, but it’s not because I get to enjoy free drinks while he’s stuck with an overpriced Old Monk. It’s because using women as bait to lure men is a legitimate marketing policy for clubs around the world, and this is unfortunately seen as a heartbreaking inequality for men in some parts of the world. Honestly I couldn't care less about having to pay more as a guy - yes it's unfair, but too much else swings the other way (and I probably get paid more anyway - the gender pay gap is a real thing, I've compared pay cheques with women colleagues). I do care about the difference between clubs that treat everyone as equal guests, and clubs that seek to fill themselves with women (paying less) and then selling "a club with women" as a product to men and couples (at a premium). It's immoral and it reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Clubs like Remix in Swindon charge everyone the same, and then discount mixed sex couples to encourage people to balance out the numbers. And it's a great night out - much more equal, progressive and without that feeling that everyone was given a commodity value at the door." if you couldn't care less why are you restarting the debate........ you care alright cmon admit it    | |||
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"The way it's going, it would probably be highly illegal in years to come. The fact that you can or will be able to identify yourself as any sex now at any time is getting bizarre" I'm a man without conviction i come and go wahaohwoa  | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys "last time i did this £83.52  | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys "As much as you want to spend - nobody is at the door making sure you're not wearing the same outfit as last week, and in a lot of clubs you take off all your clothes on entry anyway. And again, having different dress expectations for men and women is sexism - be a feminist, turn up in your work pants  | |||
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"Welcome to capitalism (I liked your example btw of couples getting a discount and that being fine. How about if women are charged the same then they give a discount for single women to encourage balance? Does that sound better?)" Generally people tend to be against capitalism creeping in to all spheres of society - for example, commodity pricing of people is generally frowned on. And no, morals don't have loopholes | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys
As much as you want to spend - nobody is at the door making sure you're not wearing the same outfit as last week, and in a lot of clubs you take off all your clothes on entry anyway.
And again, having different dress expectations for men and women is sexism - be a feminist, turn up in your work pants"Not saying wear a different outfit each week but a pair of boxers against bra and knickers is a big difference in price, so women are being hit in the pocket before they get to the club simple. Don’t go the naked clubs myself, prefer to start the night dressed. Go to work just in pants? Think I’d be arrested or catch the flu  | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys
As much as you want to spend - nobody is at the door making sure you're not wearing the same outfit as last week, and in a lot of clubs you take off all your clothes on entry anyway.
And again, having different dress expectations for men and women is sexism - be a feminist, turn up in your work pants
Not saying wear a different outfit each week but a pair of boxers against bra and knickers is a big difference in price, so women are being hit in the pocket before they get to the club simple.
Don’t go the naked clubs myself, prefer to start the night dressed.
Go to work just in pants? Think I’d be arrested or catch the flu "just buy a M&S towel you'd look good in anything | |||
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"Go to work just in pants? Think I’d be arrested or catch the flu "Flu is famously contagious amongst people with unfashionable undies. | |||
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"I have an issue with ‘mixed sex couples’. I wasn’t allowed to book in as a couple with my TV friend so we got charged more. TV friend got charged the same as a single guy and I got charged as a single female generating more income than a couple fee. Yes she’s a TV but why can we not be a couple? She’s a really good friend and we do play and no different to the guys I’ve taken and paid in as a couple. Where’s the equality?" its not fair | |||
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"I have an issue with ‘mixed sex couples’. I wasn’t allowed to book in as a couple with my TV friend so we got charged more. TV friend got charged the same as a single guy and I got charged as a single female generating more income than a couple fee. Yes she’s a TV but why can we not be a couple? She’s a really good friend and we do play and no different to the guys I’ve taken and paid in as a couple. Where’s the equality?" I'd be surprised if that happened at Remix? They're a gay sauna the rest of the week and likely very clued up on LGBT+ issues. (Yes, again, having a different price for a trans person is bullshit) | |||
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"Welcome to capitalism (I liked your example btw of couples getting a discount and that being fine. How about if women are charged the same then they give a discount for single women to encourage balance? Does that sound better?) Generally people tend to be against capitalism creeping in to all spheres of society - for example, commodity pricing of people is generally frowned on. And no, morals don't have loopholes "This isn't commodity pricing of people, it is charging people different prices according to their gender for a product or service. It only seems unfair to you as you are a man and it usually works in your favour. I am charged more to get my hair cut, because it is hair on a woman, as an example. In fact, I am charged a lot more than the price difference you are talking about. (In fact I am not, as I am not an idiot so I get a friend to cut my hair instead. She charges gender neutral prices. Bit like you can just go to a different club) | |||
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"I have an issue with ‘mixed sex couples’. I wasn’t allowed to book in as a couple with my TV friend so we got charged more. TV friend got charged the same as a single guy and I got charged as a single female generating more income than a couple fee. Yes she’s a TV but why can we not be a couple? She’s a really good friend and we do play and no different to the guys I’ve taken and paid in as a couple. Where’s the equality?" maybe you'll just end up with men dressing up as females, just to get in cheaper | |||
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"I have an issue with ‘mixed sex couples’. I wasn’t allowed to book in as a couple with my TV friend so we got charged more. TV friend got charged the same as a single guy and I got charged as a single female generating more income than a couple fee. Yes she’s a TV but why can we not be a couple? She’s a really good friend and we do play and no different to the guys I’ve taken and paid in as a couple. Where’s the equality?" This is something I have thought about writing on before .... but held back in doing so. Many of us ‘ladies’ spend an awful long time in getting ready and try to look the best and as feminine as we can. Some of us have no issue going out in public, using changing rooms, ladies toilets etc... and always treated, and behave as a woman ....but have noticed that some events charge us the same as a man! This is quite disconcerting, and is actually illegal in the eyes of gender laws.... you should be treated in the manner of the gender in which you present. Personally if an event charged me as a man, I simply wouldn’t attend .... as I know other girls don’t! Rachel xx | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. Obviously this isn’t all guys, but I think without very strict quality control this is what happens when you charge such high prices for men. " That isn't about pricing though, that's about those men thinking its a knocking shop and not a swingers club! | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. " This is rife in some clubs if you pay attention. It's because those men are used to the exact same pricing structures in clubs that use working girls (and where they are literally "paying to play"). The very fact that the same tactics are used should tell you everything. | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys "Well, continuing that giggle; every dress down club offers a gender-neutral towel. If everyone just used a towel, nobody would have to spend anything on a dress down outfit..... | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. Obviously this isn’t all guys, but I think without very strict quality control this is what happens when you charge such high prices for men. That isn't about pricing though, that's about those men thinking its a knocking shop and not a swingers club! " I do think the price drives bad behaviour in some | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys
As much as you want to spend - nobody is at the door making sure you're not wearing the same outfit as last week, and in a lot of clubs you take off all your clothes on entry anyway.
And again, having different dress expectations for men and women is sexism - be a feminist, turn up in your work pants
Not saying wear a different outfit each week but a pair of boxers against bra and knickers is a big difference in price, so women are being hit in the pocket before they get to the club simple.
Don’t go the naked clubs myself, prefer to start the night dressed.
Go to work just in pants? Think I’d be arrested or catch the flu "I like this way of looking at it but just wanted to add, have you seen the price of men's boxers! Girls can get a 5 pack of nice Lacey knickers for half the price of some plain guys boxers. | |||
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"I think it should go on height and size, us small people take up less space "lol | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. This is rife in some clubs if you pay attention. It's because those men are used to the exact same pricing structures in clubs that use working girls (and where they are literally "paying to play"). The very fact that the same tactics are used should tell you everything." Arseholes will be arseholes whatever the entrance price. | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys "Took the words out of my mouth!  | |||
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"It's so wrong that clubs have their own rules and run accordingly and people have to decide which suits them "Why is it wrong that a private business is run the way the owners want it to be? As long as they abide by the laws they are doing nothing wrong. | |||
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"It's so wrong that clubs have their own rules and run accordingly and people have to decide which suits them
Why is it wrong that a private business is run the way the owners want it to be?
As long as they abide by the laws they are doing nothing wrong."This is point I'm making, tad sarcasm
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides "This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting?  | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? "fi and peters height | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? "5'7 eh you're quite tall for a lady | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height "Yipee leave stepladders at homev | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height
Yipee leave stepladders at homev"really hope they're A frame and conform to British safety standards | |||
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"Arseholes will be arseholes whatever the entrance price." Exactly - this thread is free to enter, and look at you lot | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height
Yipee leave stepladders at homevreally hope they're A frame and conform to British safety standards "Safety sex always | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height
Yipee leave stepladders at homevreally hope they're A frame and conform to British safety standards
Safety sex always "do you have a kite mark stamped on your sexy bum | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height
Yipee leave stepladders at homevreally hope they're A frame and conform to British safety standards
Safety sex always do you have a kite mark stamped on your sexy bum "Yep it's a hallmark  | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. This is rife in some clubs if you pay attention. It's because those men are used to the exact same pricing structures in clubs that use working girls (and where they are literally "paying to play"). The very fact that the same tactics are used should tell you everything. Arseholes will be arseholes whatever the entrance price." . I agree with the statement arseholes will be arseholes whatever the entrance price.However the two clubs we have in London are members only clubs where you have to apply and be accepted I think this helps eliminate the arseholes as if you act like one you membership maybe cancelled and as there is such a demand from guys I know that want to be members to one or both clubs it pays to behave yourself. | |||
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"I think the high price of entry for single men can drive dysfunctional behaviour in some. I’ve been at parties where I’ve heard guys say that they ‘want to get their monies worth’ and they’ve been walking around in a bit of a frenzy, trying to get into rooms where people are playing, touching without permission etc. Obviously this isn’t all guys, but I think without very strict quality control this is what happens when you charge such high prices for men. That isn't about pricing though, that's about those men thinking its a knocking shop and not a swingers club! I do think the price drives bad behaviour in some " I don't, I think some men just behave badly towards women. | |||
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"i think clubs should have a height bar a bit like disney rides This is a bad idea wordman, we met an nice Lady a while back and she wouldn’t be allowed in. What height are you suggesting? fi and peters height
Yipee leave stepladders at homevreally hope they're A frame and conform to British safety standards
Safety sex always do you have a kite mark stamped on your sexy bum
Yep it's a hallmark "really no rooms are barred then | |||
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"Can I just say that most arseholes we have experienced are couples and ladies! Guys in couples can be over protective and having not discussed boundaries/expectations properly, can verbally thrash out. There is also the 'why won't you fuck my wife, she is stunning' attitude. Ladies and ladies in couples can sometimes drink too much which is a terrible look in clubs and can be over tactile, rude and entitled. In our experience, single guys who get accepted into our club are well behaved and are a credit to the scene. There is always the odd exception who slips through the net but they are usually identified and ejected before anybody else notices. But on the whole, our guys are fabulous and an asset to the club. " thank you | |||
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"The way it's going, it would probably be highly illegal in years to come. The fact that you can or will be able to identify yourself as any sex now at any time is getting bizarre" if you don't know the difference between sex and gender misrepresenting the process on place under the GRA is not a good look. Mr icebreaker | |||
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"Last thread got too big. Lots of people seemed angry by the idea that they'd be considered "part of the product" - well that's exactly my point, isn't it. Clubs have been using single women as a lure for men (and couples) since.. well, ever. This is not a new idea, and is basically the same thing as gender-based cover charges at clubs: https://www.arre.co.in/gender/ladies-night-feminist-wednesdays/ Ladies’ night is pretty damn sexist, but it’s not because I get to enjoy free drinks while he’s stuck with an overpriced Old Monk. It’s because using women as bait to lure men is a legitimate marketing policy for clubs around the world, and this is unfortunately seen as a heartbreaking inequality for men in some parts of the world. Honestly I couldn't care less about having to pay more as a guy - yes it's unfair, but too much else swings the other way (and I probably get paid more anyway - the gender pay gap is a real thing, I've compared pay cheques with women colleagues). I do care about the difference between clubs that treat everyone as equal guests, and clubs that seek to fill themselves with women (paying less) and then selling "a club with women" as a product to men and couples (at a premium). It's immoral and it reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Clubs like Remix in Swindon charge everyone the same, and then discount mixed sex couples to encourage people to balance out the numbers. And it's a great night out - much more equal, progressive and without that feeling that everyone was given a commodity value at the door." Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. | |||
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"Can I just say that most arseholes we have experienced are couples and ladies! Guys in couples can be over protective and having not discussed boundaries/expectations properly, can verbally thrash out. There is also the 'why won't you fuck my wife, she is stunning' attitude. Ladies and ladies in couples can sometimes drink too much which is a terrible look in clubs and can be over tactile, rude and entitled. In our experience, single guys who get accepted into our club are well behaved and are a credit to the scene. There is always the odd exception who slips through the net but they are usually identified and ejected before anybody else notices. But on the whole, our guys are fabulous and an asset to the club. " I’ve never been to the your club so can’t comment, but it’s not the case in all clubs. | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so." Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on. | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on." Also got men with no bodies, just hands, shocking | |||
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"Can I just say that most arseholes we have experienced are couples and ladies! Guys in couples can be over protective and having not discussed boundaries/expectations properly, can verbally thrash out. There is also the 'why won't you fuck my wife, she is stunning' attitude. Ladies and ladies in couples can sometimes drink too much which is a terrible look in clubs and can be over tactile, rude and entitled. In our experience, single guys who get accepted into our club are well behaved and are a credit to the scene. There is always the odd exception who slips through the net but they are usually identified and ejected before anybody else notices. But on the whole, our guys are fabulous and an asset to the club. " | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on." Talking about spinning things, I love the way you fail to mention that the £80 is annual membership, not entry price. Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on. Also got men with no bodies, just hands, shocking"  | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on. Talking about spinning things, I love the way you fail to mention that the £80 is annual membership, not entry price. Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? " Wrong again - get your facts before offering opinion or insight. | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on. Talking about spinning things, I love the way you fail to mention that the £80 is annual membership, not entry price. Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? " | |||
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"I have an issue with ‘mixed sex couples’. I wasn’t allowed to book in as a couple with my TV friend so we got charged more. TV friend got charged the same as a single guy and I got charged as a single female generating more income than a couple fee. Yes she’s a TV but why can we not be a couple? She’s a really good friend and we do play and no different to the guys I’ve taken and paid in as a couple. Where’s the equality?" But we've seen two guys coupling up saying they're a MM couple and they're not to get in on couples nights, they then go trying to find couples separately, so you can't blame the clubs. | |||
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"Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. Basically every club heavily emphasises women's bodies in their advertising - currently if you go on Chams their is an image of a decapitated woman with a bunch of hands grasping at her. They charge £10 for single women and £80 for single men. If you want to spin it as "my views on single women" rather than my views on predatory club practices then I suppose there's not much I can do about it? I find that very disrespectful but crack on. Talking about spinning things, I love the way you fail to mention that the £80 is annual membership, not entry price. Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? Wrong again - get your facts before offering opinion or insight. " Why did you say I'm wrong then next comment give a thumbs up? | |||
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"Last thread got too big. Lots of people seemed angry by the idea that they'd be considered "part of the product" - well that's exactly my point, isn't it. Clubs have been using single women as a lure for men (and couples) since.. well, ever. This is not a new idea, and is basically the same thing as gender-based cover charges at clubs: https://www.arre.co.in/gender/ladies-night-feminist-wednesdays/ Ladies’ night is pretty damn sexist, but it’s not because I get to enjoy free drinks while he’s stuck with an overpriced Old Monk. It’s because using women as bait to lure men is a legitimate marketing policy for clubs around the world, and this is unfortunately seen as a heartbreaking inequality for men in some parts of the world. Honestly I couldn't care less about having to pay more as a guy - yes it's unfair, but too much else swings the other way (and I probably get paid more anyway - the gender pay gap is a real thing, I've compared pay cheques with women colleagues). I do care about the difference between clubs that treat everyone as equal guests, and clubs that seek to fill themselves with women (paying less) and then selling "a club with women" as a product to men and couples (at a premium). It's immoral and it reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Clubs like Remix in Swindon charge everyone the same, and then discount mixed sex couples to encourage people to balance out the numbers. And it's a great night out - much more equal, progressive and without that feeling that everyone was given a commodity value at the door." Club remix is generally a gay sauna, and have introduced couples to capitalise. You pay what you do. If you can't afford it don't go. Clubs have been putting on lots of LBTQ+++ events to make it more universal. Reason we don't go out on Friday is because there are just too many men.however we do have to pay more to go on a Saturday | |||
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"Would you rather pay entry to a bar/club mostly filled with couples or single women Or Get in free to a bar/club full of single men ? It's not always about money, or ripping off single men, it's about managing the environment Maybe you would be more/less offended if you got turned away from a bar/club that didn't charge single men because the quota was filled ?" This is quite literally what I'm on about yes, lots of men would rather pay for access to women than go in to a free club without them, so clubs endeavour to attract women in with low prices so they can sell that "environment" to men and couples. | |||
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"Would you rather pay entry to a bar/club mostly filled with couples or single women Or Get in free to a bar/club full of single men ? It's not always about money, or ripping off single men, it's about managing the environment Maybe you would be more/less offended if you got turned away from a bar/club that didn't charge single men because the quota was filled ? This is quite literally what I'm on about yes, lots of men would rather pay for access to women than go in to a free club without them, so clubs endeavour to attract women in with low prices so they can sell that "environment" to men and couples."Single women still remain the minority | |||
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"Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? " "Ah, you criticise society yet you participate in the very thing you seek to criticise!" Big brain moment right there. There is a ton of literature on how society commodifies women, both generally and specifically with regards to cover charge discrimination. Your opinion may be the majority on this forum but it sure isn't in wider society, or amongst feminist scholars. Why is your opinion, as a woman, so superior to other women writing on the subject? Also: if you disagree but aren't willing to actually debate the point, why on earth are you engaging with it? | |||
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"Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? "Ah, you criticise society yet you participate in the very thing you seek to criticise!" Big brain moment right there. There is a ton of literature on how society commodifies women, both generally and specifically with regards to cover charge discrimination. Your opinion may be the majority on this forum but it sure isn't in wider society, or amongst feminist scholars. Why is your opinion, as a woman, so superior to other women writing on the subject? Also: if you disagree but aren't willing to actually debate the point, why on earth are you engaging with it?" My opinion on women and what we should or shouldn't be offended by is superior to yours and it's yours I'm questioning. You don't agree with men paying more, you've even said its unfair, but instead of just admitting it, you're trying to garner support by turning it into an issue about women. I can guarantee you that most women don't care if they have pictures/statues of women being groped in clubs. We go to have fun, not debate feminist issues. | |||
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"My opinion on women and what we should or shouldn't be offended by is superior to yours and it's yours I'm questioning. You don't agree with men paying more, you've even said its unfair, but instead of just admitting it, you're trying to garner support by turning it into an issue about women. I can guarantee you that most women don't care if they have pictures/statues of women being groped in clubs. We go to have fun, not debate feminist issues. " "This person disagrees with me, they must be being deceitful" | |||
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"Also, why are you attending clubs that you find predatory? Shouldn't you be boycotting this practice if you find it so unsavoury? Yes, it is your view on single women on the club scene, YOU are saying we are given value at the door, YOU are saying we are used to get men in, YOU are saying its immoral and reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Why don't you let us women decide if we are being used and if you don't care about men paying more, why are you harping on about it? "Ah, you criticise society yet you participate in the very thing you seek to criticise!" Big brain moment right there. There is a ton of literature on how society commodifies women, both generally and specifically with regards to cover charge discrimination. Your opinion may be the majority on this forum but it sure isn't in wider society, or amongst feminist scholars. Why is your opinion, as a woman, so superior to other women writing on the subject? Also: if you disagree but aren't willing to actually debate the point, why on earth are you engaging with it?" The point you're trying to argue is that swingers clubs use single women as a commodity. No club guarantees single women attend, they don't advertise that women attend. They don't guarantee sex, on every club website I've been on its in the rules and etiquette. I've been to a club night and not a single female just all couples and I was the only person to dress down and I did so because that's how I enjoy going to the club's. Women have to put up with misogyny and double standards about gender and sex, women have incentives to go they need a club to be welcoming and safe for them to go to. Women and couples also have to deal with the wanking dead. Guys trailing their every move in hopes of a fuck or a bj. I think reduced pricing makes up for that, incentives for women to attend the club's. If women just wanted hook ups they would go a nightclub and go with whom ever they fancied. Swinging clubs are much more liberating for women in allowing them to express themselves more but it takes that leap first prices help with that, more women attending because of cheaper pricing creates a comfortable environment. The pricing structure works if it didn't clubs wouldn't be open they'd go bust. I pay club event prices for events I want to go to and there's a limit on male attendance or females and couples only nights. I go for the atmosphere, xtasia has amazing event nights and I've never had sex there. Just because I've paid to get in doesn't mean I expect sex, sadly a lot of men don't think that way. Sex is a bonus not a right. So what is the reason to keep arguing about prices? Cheap entry for men - less women, less couples too! Men make women the commodity thinking they are owed for what they pay. Just like the guys who try to buy you a drink expects something in return... is a bj worth a drink!?! Some guys think so. Don't like the club prices then don't go simple really. | |||
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"I am a club owner but I am also a swinger who visits clubs all over the place to meet people and play. Of course I am a commodity. I am happy to be a commodity! When I go to a club, I want a choice of sexy, respectful, well groomed guys who can hold a decent conversation. If using someone like myself to get more guys in the door for me to choose from is needed, then fire away!! Before I go to a club, I will pay for a full de-fluff, nails, hair (when I had longer hair) a new dress down outfit and a hotel...I like to make the most of my nights off! lol In return, I would like the club to have a good selection of guys who have probably paid less than me in total. Without ladies like myself attending clubs, the guys will be twiddling the fingers and twiddling each others nobs. They will soon get bored of that and revert to unreliable meeting online, which in turn reduces numbers in clubs. By attracting ladies to the club first through pricing incentives, the guys have someone to play with other than each other. All businesses have a valuable commodity and in the swinging game it's single ladies and couples. I for one have no issue whatsoever with being a commodity if it means I will attract more people in the club for me to choose from and play with." thank you for your honesty - I think we can all agree that's a great final word on this subject | |||
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"I am a club owner but I am also a swinger who visits clubs all over the place to meet people and play. Of course I am a commodity. I am happy to be a commodity! When I go to a club, I want a choice of sexy, respectful, well groomed guys who can hold a decent conversation. If using someone like myself to get more guys in the door for me to choose from is needed, then fire away!! Before I go to a club, I will pay for a full de-fluff, nails, hair (when I had longer hair) a new dress down outfit and a hotel...I like to make the most of my nights off! lol In return, I would like the club to have a good selection of guys who have probably paid less than me in total. Without ladies like myself attending clubs, the guys will be twiddling the fingers and twiddling each others nobs. They will soon get bored of that and revert to unreliable meeting online, which in turn reduces numbers in clubs. By attracting ladies to the club first through pricing incentives, the guys have someone to play with other than each other. All businesses have a valuable commodity and in the swinging game it's single ladies and couples. I for one have no issue whatsoever with being a commodity if it means I will attract more people in the club for me to choose from and play with. thank you for your honesty - I think we can all agree that's a great final word on this subject "A great final word because she agrees with you? Typical. | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. " What's prostitution got to do with it? | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? " whats love got to do with it | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? " "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.."" No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. " I'm a little confused. If it is not prostitution, then why should there be a pricing structure? People prostitute themselves in different social structures every day. And I did not call them whores either which is a different process. I do like the pricing structure though although I would be interested to know why clubs and parties do not do this currently | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. I'm a little confused. If it is not prostitution, then why should there be a pricing structure? People prostitute themselves in different social structures every day. And I did not call them whores either which is a different process. I do like the pricing structure though although I would be interested to know why clubs and parties do not do this currently " Unlike restaurants and nightclubs swingers clubs aren't selling anything they can add profit to. They have to cover utilities, rent, wages etc even nightclubs charge entry prices Entrance charges are acceptable form of covering the costs of running a club, service providing in terms of venue. Spa clubs you have a use of facilities, clubs have dungeons that can be utilised under the cost of entrance fee. Clubs providing a safe area to meet you don't expect hotels to let you use a room for free why would a club? | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. I'm a little confused. If it is not prostitution, then why should there be a pricing structure? People prostitute themselves in different social structures every day. And I did not call them whores either which is a different process. I do like the pricing structure though although I would be interested to know why clubs and parties do not do this currently Unlike restaurants and nightclubs swingers clubs aren't selling anything they can add profit to. They have to cover utilities, rent, wages etc even nightclubs charge entry prices Entrance charges are acceptable form of covering the costs of running a club, service providing in terms of venue. Spa clubs you have a use of facilities, clubs have dungeons that can be utilised under the cost of entrance fee. Clubs providing a safe area to meet you don't expect hotels to let you use a room for free why would a club?" I thought that is what I was saying, but you're probably right. The lure is probably the contextual term I should have used rather than prostitution which led us onto whoring which is two-way. Good points though x | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. I'm a little confused. If it is not prostitution, then why should there be a pricing structure? People prostitute themselves in different social structures every day. And I did not call them whores either which is a different process. I do like the pricing structure though although I would be interested to know why clubs and parties do not do this currently Unlike restaurants and nightclubs swingers clubs aren't selling anything they can add profit to. They have to cover utilities, rent, wages etc even nightclubs charge entry prices Entrance charges are acceptable form of covering the costs of running a club, service providing in terms of venue. Spa clubs you have a use of facilities, clubs have dungeons that can be utilised under the cost of entrance fee. Clubs providing a safe area to meet you don't expect hotels to let you use a room for free why would a club? I thought that is what I was saying, but you're probably right. The lure is probably the contextual term I should have used rather than prostitution which led us onto whoring which is two-way. Good points though x" The only thing that would be a lure is the available space to indulge in erotic behaviours that couldn't do in normal public settings. Lure of freedom to be naked or in lingerie, to meet like minded folk. Freedom to express and like minded people is the lure nothing more if sex happens it happens but sex isnt the lure. That's why theme nights will always be the most popular club nights it isn't the sex that entices people but people who enjoy the same things. Rocky horror, BDSM, masquerade, foam parties, uniforms the list is endless as to what would attract people. If it was just plain sex, clubs would be always at max capacity. | |||
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"These companies are private companies, not a public service. When a football club outbids another for a player people are not up in arms, it's just market forces. Prostitution goes back to the bible I believe. Would it not be better to concentrate arguments against bigger things like why governments and multi-nationals are ruining lives through deregulation for instance. Pay or dont pay, it's not such a big choice. What's prostitution got to do with it? "....clubs using single women as a lure for men.." No swingers club lures with single women, no club guarantees single women being there. No swingers club makes women have sex. So it's not prostitution the women aren't paid and the club's aren't pimps. Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. The single male regulars know it's not a guaranteed fuck otherwise they wouldn't keep paying the prices. The prices keep the fuckwits away who think they are entitled to fuck they aren't going to keep paying if they think they get nothing out of it. I've suggested pricing structures before 1st time attendance for anyone would be registered but apply membership payment on 2nd visit. Allows for newbies to a club to see if it's for them without paying full membership. The details already on the system so can't get away with not having membership on 2nd visit. Regulars get attendance discounts males included. It's a reward for regular attendance a thank you for supporting the club. If a male proves over regular attendance that they are a gent and welcome by other members then a reduced entry cost after so many attendances. " Well said. | |||
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"Can I just say that most arseholes we have experienced are couples and ladies! Guys in couples can be over protective and having not discussed boundaries/expectations properly, can verbally thrash out. There is also the 'why won't you fuck my wife, she is stunning' attitude. Ladies and ladies in couples can sometimes drink too much which is a terrible look in clubs and can be over tactile, rude and entitled. In our experience, single guys who get accepted into our club are well behaved and are a credit to the scene. There is always the odd exception who slips through the net but they are usually identified and ejected before anybody else notices. But on the whole, our guys are fabulous and an asset to the club. " Townhouse is very lucky being the only local club in area but also as everyone has to have ID at the door with there Address they dont muck about as it clear at the door muck about and your gone and Manchester that way. I used to run a event in London we used to charge £80 for a single male and £40 for a couple. we found by dropping our prices for everyone to £20 but having a limited 10 single males the vibe was far better. and we made more money due to numbers as some will attend due to the fair price as sometimes people attend with there friends who maybe male | |||
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"Why can't women enjoy sex without men thinking of them as whores? the same mentality that is all across fab. Men treating women as free whores and bitch about club prices because they aren't getting the sex they think they are owed. " This. Frankly, any man asking for ‘equality’ in this context is doing so because he feels entitled. And entitled men have no place in swingers clubs. | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception?" I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree? | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree? "to a sex starved man a woman is redemption to a swinging club business she is THE comodity that draws you in even if the guy going over threshold doesn't know shes in there, shes still just the dream of redemption | |||
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"How is this thread still going? " its the never ending whinge women moan about equality now its the mens turn | |||
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" I used to run a event in London we used to charge £80 for a single male and £40 for a couple. we found by dropping our prices for everyone to £20 but having a limited 10 single males the vibe was far better. and we made more money due to numbers as some will attend due to the fair price as sometimes people attend with there friends who maybe male" How did you enforce the single males limit? | |||
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" I used to run a event in London we used to charge £80 for a single male and £40 for a couple. we found by dropping our prices for everyone to £20 but having a limited 10 single males the vibe was far better. and we made more money due to numbers as some will attend due to the fair price as sometimes people attend with there friends who maybe male How did you enforce the single males limit?" Guest lists. Any event is managed via the guest list. If you have limited places, you know from your list who is attending. Townhouse have 8 single Male places on Saturdays. For those 8 single males, they have to contact the club to request a place. Once there are 8 on the list, that’s it Even for ratios - I run Milf Monday, which is a greedy girl event with a 3:1 m:f ratio. That ratio is managed via the guest list, and you don’t get in to the event without having your name down. Club events aren’t just a ‘free for all’ where people just turn up & walk in the door | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree? to a sex starved man a woman is redemption to a swinging club business she is THE comodity that draws you in even if the guy going over threshold doesn't know shes in there, shes still just the dream of redemption "A sex-starved man will just use either an escort, or a brothel, for quick, no-nonsense sexual release, or turn bi, and enjoy discreet encounters with other sex-starved guys. The last place I would ever recommended a bloke looking for sex would be a swingers’ club
As has been said before; check club websites for any and all fees, and if some places seem extortionate, don’t go, it’s that simple. There are plenty of great clubs who don’t punish single guys financially. Also look in the reviews section in here, specifically for reviews left by single guys; if they had a great time in a particular club, the likelihood is, you may too | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree? to a sex starved man a woman is redemption to a swinging club business she is THE comodity that draws you in even if the guy going over threshold doesn't know shes in there, shes still just the dream of redemption
A sex-starved man will just use either an escort, or a brothel, for quick, no-nonsense sexual release, or turn bi, and enjoy discreet encounters with other sex-starved guys. The last place I would ever recommended a bloke looking for sex would be a swingers’ club
As has been said before; check club websites for any and all fees, and if some places seem extortionate, don’t go, it’s that simple. There are plenty of great clubs who don’t punish single guys financially. Also look in the reviews section in here, specifically for reviews left by single guys; if they had a great time in a particular club, the likelihood is, you may too "no two people are the same and some are more easily pleased than others but yes make informed decisions before you go, providing that the club lets you know all the upfront charges before you go | |||
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" Guest lists. Any event is managed via the guest list. If you have limited places, you know from your list who is attending. Townhouse have 8 single Male places on Saturdays. For those 8 single males, they have to contact the club to request a place. Once there are 8 on the list, that’s it Even for ratios - I run Milf Monday, which is a greedy girl event with a 3:1 m:f ratio. That ratio is managed via the guest list, and you don’t get in to the event without having your name down. Club events aren’t just a ‘free for all’ where people just turn up & walk in the door "Do you get many no shows? | |||
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"A sex-starved man will just use either an escort, or a brothel, for quick, no-nonsense sexual release, or turn bi, and enjoy discreet encounters with other sex-starved guys." "Can't get a meet? Just turn bi!"
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"A sex-starved man will just use either an escort, or a brothel, for quick, no-nonsense sexual release, or turn bi, and enjoy discreet encounters with other sex-starved guys. "Can't get a meet? Just turn bi!"
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" Guest lists. Any event is managed via the guest list. If you have limited places, you know from your list who is attending. Townhouse have 8 single Male places on Saturdays. For those 8 single males, they have to contact the club to request a place. Once there are 8 on the list, that’s it Even for ratios - I run Milf Monday, which is a greedy girl event with a 3:1 m:f ratio. That ratio is managed via the guest list, and you don’t get in to the event without having your name down. Club events aren’t just a ‘free for all’ where people just turn up & walk in the door
Do you get many no shows?
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" Guest lists. Any event is managed via the guest list. If you have limited places, you know from your list who is attending. Townhouse have 8 single Male places on Saturdays. For those 8 single males, they have to contact the club to request a place. Once there are 8 on the list, that’s it Even for ratios - I run Milf Monday, which is a greedy girl event with a 3:1 m:f ratio. That ratio is managed via the guest list, and you don’t get in to the event without having your name down. Club events aren’t just a ‘free for all’ where people just turn up & walk in the door
Do you get many no shows?
"Everyone gets a message a couple of days before an event to confirm their place. If they don't reply, they get taken off and we can look to replace them. If people confirm and then don't show up, they get a strike. 3 strikes and they can no longer go on guestlists. People learne pretty quickly to only add when they are certain, so our lists tend to be accurate. It's more work for us, but it means that our ratios are pretty spot on and places aren't wasted xx | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree? "You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging. If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat. If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys. Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females. This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic. The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential! Sorry boys! | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree?
You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging.
If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat.
If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys.
Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females.
This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic.
The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential!
Sorry boys! "Spot on, wish more club events excluded them and get the swing back into swinging. We swerve so many as feels more a sex club night than swinging club | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree?
You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging.
If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat.
If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys.
Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females.
This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic.
The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential!
Sorry boys! "No offense taken; only confirms my view of the club scene | |||
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys
Well, continuing that giggle; every dress down club offers a gender-neutral towel. If everyone just used a towel, nobody would have to spend anything on a dress down outfit..... "But the towels they offer aren’t big enough to cover my puppies, so shouldn’t I get a discount for bringing my own towel? | |||
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"Last thread got too big. Lots of people seemed angry by the idea that they'd be considered "part of the product" - well that's exactly my point, isn't it. Clubs have been using single women as a lure for men (and couples) since.. well, ever. This is not a new idea, and is basically the same thing as gender-based cover charges at clubs: https://www.arre.co.in/gender/ladies-night-feminist-wednesdays/ Ladies’ night is pretty damn sexist, but it’s not because I get to enjoy free drinks while he’s stuck with an overpriced Old Monk. It’s because using women as bait to lure men is a legitimate marketing policy for clubs around the world, and this is unfortunately seen as a heartbreaking inequality for men in some parts of the world. Honestly I couldn't care less about having to pay more as a guy - yes it's unfair, but too much else swings the other way (and I probably get paid more anyway - the gender pay gap is a real thing, I've compared pay cheques with women colleagues). I do care about the difference between clubs that treat everyone as equal guests, and clubs that seek to fill themselves with women (paying less) and then selling "a club with women" as a product to men and couples (at a premium). It's immoral and it reinforces the idea of women as a commodity. Clubs like Remix in Swindon charge everyone the same, and then discount mixed sex couples to encourage people to balance out the numbers. And it's a great night out - much more equal, progressive and without that feeling that everyone was given a commodity value at the door. Show me a swingers club that advertises 'a club with women'. I've never felt as if I've been given a value at the door by any club. I find your views on single women on the club scene disrespectful, I'm not an object or part of an advertising campaign and I'd appreciate you not saying so. " Maybe this is the reason why I don't see many single fems going to these clubs alone... That commodity attitude isn't for me either | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree?
You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging.
If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat.
If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys.
Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females.
This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic.
The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential!
Sorry boys! "lol but would the clubs still exist without the single guys, i think not, businesses need money coming in on a regular basis your Saturday couples nights may be successful but bills still have to be paid | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree?
You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging.
If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat.
If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys.
Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females.
This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic.
The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential!
Sorry boys! lol but would the clubs still exist without the single guys, i think not, businesses need money coming in on a regular basis your Saturday couples nights may be successful but bills still have to be paid "Yes. Quite a lot of couples stay away from events where there are single guys. Plus single guys generally tend to stay pretty sober. Couples and ladies tend to buy drinks from behind the bar. We are licensed to sell alcohol, so clubs like ours would still make money without guys. HOWEVER!!!! We enjoy the company of the single guys who attend our events and I think it would be a damn shame to exclude them as some of our best events involve guys. We just don't rip guys off...we are just careful about who gets in and how many! We have many events where guys pay the same or close to what ladies and couples pay and nobody pays a membership. Clubs can make it work but as they are private members clubs, they can operate how they wish...it's their prerogative xx | |||
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"If the single men boycotted the club's then they would definitely close down ,it's the single men who keeps those places viable and make it cheap for couples and females " But if the clubs stopped charging for single males then your argument is gone because they wouldnt be subsidisimg anything ???
It is what it is, single men will continue to pay and continue to complain
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"lets put a twist on it just for a giggle...how much does it cost for the guys dress down outfit compared to a ladies?....just a thought but think the night would cost more for the ladies than the guys
Well, continuing that giggle; every dress down club offers a gender-neutral towel. If everyone just used a towel, nobody would have to spend anything on a dress down outfit.....
But the towels they offer aren’t big enough to cover my puppies, so shouldn’t I get a discount for bringing my own towel? "As a single female, you'd only be paying the national club fee average of 47p anyway won't you? | |||
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"A club owner literally came on and said they see women as a commodity (and that they don't see a problem with it), so I don't know how much there is left to discuss? Do people consider that to be an exception? I said women and couples and the commodity in swinging...every business has a commodity. It was my opinion as a swinger. It was just my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree?
You only have to look at the success of Couples & Single Female events, ladies only events etc to see that this is the core demographic in swinging.
If single guys were completely excluded from the swinging community as a whole, it wouldn’t miss a beat.
If couples & single females were excluded, you’re left with a handful of genuinely bisexual guys & a lot of horny, frustrated straight guys.
Ultimately, single males are not needed in swinging. If all single guys stopped going to clubs tomorrow, they would still carry on without you. The same can’t be said for couples or single females.
This is why swinging is the reverse of the vanilla world, and why single guys are not the controlling demographic.
The swinging community will never be about what suits single guys, because you’re a ‘nice to have’ and not an essential!
Sorry boys! lol but would the clubs still exist without the single guys, i think not, businesses need money coming in on a regular basis your Saturday couples nights may be successful but bills still have to be paid
Yes. Quite a lot of couples stay away from events where there are single guys. Plus single guys generally tend to stay pretty sober. Couples and ladies tend to buy drinks from behind the bar. We are licensed to sell alcohol, so clubs like ours would still make money without guys.
HOWEVER!!!! We enjoy the company of the single guys who attend our events and I think it would be a damn shame to exclude them as some of our best events involve guys. We just don't rip guys off...we are just careful about who gets in and how many!
We have many events where guys pay the same or close to what ladies and couples pay and nobody pays a membership. Clubs can make it work but as they are private members clubs, they can operate how they wish...it's their prerogative
xx "well that seems to be a great club you are part of and a very positive attitude to the inclusion of guys and fair pricing, we single guys get such negative feedback and your comments are always welcome | |||
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" Yes. Quite a lot of couples stay away from events where there are single guys. Plus single guys generally tend to stay pretty sober. Couples and ladies tend to buy drinks from behind the bar. We are licensed to sell alcohol, so clubs like ours would still make money without guys. HOWEVER!!!! We enjoy the company of the single guys who attend our events and I think it would be a damn shame to exclude them as some of our best events involve guys. We just don't rip guys off...we are just careful about who gets in and how many! We have many events where guys pay the same or close to what ladies and couples pay and nobody pays a membership. Clubs can make it work but as they are private members clubs, they can operate how they wish...it's their prerogative xx well that seems to be a great club you are part of and a very positive attitude to the inclusion of guys and fair pricing, we single guys get such negative feedback and your comments are always welcome "You’re totally right, single guys get a bad reputation & it’s very often unfair. Personally, I think swinging is better for having all demographics & I like events where single guys are included. I’ve found that it’s the single ladies who can often be more troublesome than the guys, and guys are generally well behaved. As Vicky said above, Townhouse events are guest listed and through that, we can monitor who is attending & the ratios - managing that properly helps to ensure we don’t overload an event and allows it to run smoothly, without an uneven number of guys making people feel like it’s a cock fest or that they are outnumbered. I run 2 events. Milf Monday charges single guys a £10 entry fee. Buxom Babes is a flat rate of £10 per person. Non members do pay a little more, but that’s the perk of being a member. Membership for Townhouse is free - you just need to be invited to join. Another way the club has of improving the reputation of single guys who attend our events | |||
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" Yes. Quite a lot of couples stay away from events where there are single guys. Plus single guys generally tend to stay pretty sober. Couples and ladies tend to buy drinks from behind the bar. We are licensed to sell alcohol, so clubs like ours would still make money without guys. HOWEVER!!!! We enjoy the company of the single guys who attend our events and I think it would be a damn shame to exclude them as some of our best events involve guys. We just don't rip guys off...we are just careful about who gets in and how many! We have many events where guys pay the same or close to what ladies and couples pay and nobody pays a membership. Clubs can make it work but as they are private members clubs, they can operate how they wish...it's their prerogative xx well that seems to be a great club you are part of and a very positive attitude to the inclusion of guys and fair pricing, we single guys get such negative feedback and your comments are always welcome
You’re totally right, single guys get a bad reputation & it’s very often unfair.
Personally, I think swinging is better for having all demographics & I like events where single guys are included. I’ve found that it’s the single ladies who can often be more troublesome than the guys, and guys are generally well behaved.
As Vicky said above, Townhouse events are guest listed and through that, we can monitor who is attending & the ratios - managing that properly helps to ensure we don’t overload an event and allows it to run smoothly, without an uneven number of guys making people feel like it’s a cock fest or that they are outnumbered.
I run 2 events. Milf Monday charges single guys a £10 entry fee. Buxom Babes is a flat rate of £10 per person. Non members do pay a little more, but that’s the perk of being a member.
Membership for Townhouse is free - you just need to be invited to join. Another way the club has of improving the reputation of single guys who attend our events " | |||
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