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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow that's a massive breach of GDPR. And completely unacceptable.

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By *rego69Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

That’s got to need an ICO self Referal

That’s if they are registered under the DPA.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did I say dozens of email addresses? Silly me. I meant a couple of hundred. Oh dear.

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By *unniebee1970Woman
over a year ago

The Hive

I got it. So now 200 people know my email and that I attend Hellfire. Where has my right to privacy gone???

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By *m A FuckerMan
over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent

that really is very bad!!

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

Owwww dear...

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!"

I would complain directly and very formally to the club.

And probably report....

VERY unprofessional.

I was considering a visit too. I think not now....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!

I would complain directly and very formally to the club.

And probably report....

VERY unprofessional.

I was considering a visit too. I think not now...."

Oh this is big

Someone has messed up big time there! That is definitely a breech. Have you contacted anyone?!?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!

I would complain directly and very formally to the club.

And probably report....

VERY unprofessional.

I was considering a visit too. I think not now....

Oh this is big

Someone has messed up big time there! That is definitely a breech. Have you contacted anyone?!? "

Not yet, still doing research into the process of complaining

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Someone is in for it big time... that’s a club I will never visit now, that’s for sure!!

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Has anyone contacted the club?

And you never give them an email you use for work or Facebook so just discard that email and create another

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By *unniebee1970Woman
over a year ago

The Hive

Does anybody have advice on next steps. I have 197 personal email adresses that Hellfire sent me and that seems so outrageous. In others hands that data is so open for abuse...

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By *ellfireClubMan
over a year ago

Sunbury-On-Thames

Re CC email:

We inadvertently sent 165 email addresses via CC; I have sent an apology to each and asked all to delete the email. The total send was 8000 of which, 165 were dropped inadvertently into cc as opposed to bcc.

I sincerely apologize.

Peter

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By *ellfireClubMan
over a year ago

Sunbury-On-Thames

We will self report to ICO

Once again; sincere apologies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Re CC email:

We inadvertently sent 165 email addresses via CC; I have sent an apology to each and asked all to delete the email. The total send was 8000 of which, 165 were dropped inadvertently into cc as opposed to bcc.

I sincerely apologize.

Peter

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You have a legal responsibility to make the ICO aware within 72 hours of the breach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you registered and have you paid your ICO fees?

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By *carlet Rose RedWoman
over a year ago

Woodley

From receiving messages from a dodgy couple who attend Hellfire to slate other clubs to now a quite clear breach of GDPR (which I am fully aware of, it’s part of my job) I’m quite pleased and relieved that I am and will not be a member of this club.

This is a serious breach, shocking to say the least!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise "

I agree.....

It happens.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise "

No way, it’s disgusting! Not good enough at all

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By *ellfireClubMan
over a year ago

Sunbury-On-Thames

It was finger trouble on one batch of 165 emails; we are extremely sorry to those affected, but 8000 went unaffected.

It won`t happen again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise

No way, it’s disgusting! Not good enough at all "

They have apologised and taken steps to minimise the damage by asking recipients to delete the email.

What else do you want them to do?

I doubt they run a high profit business where they can offer everybody financial compensation.

Well done hell fire club for holding your hands up and apologising. Many would have spun it with a jackanory story.

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise

No way, it’s disgusting! Not good enough at all

They have apologised and taken steps to minimise the damage by asking recipients to delete the email.

What else do you want them to do?

I doubt they run a high profit business where they can offer everybody financial compensation.

Well done hell fire club for holding your hands up and apologising. Many would have spun it with a jackanory story. "

I like the club's response.

No fluff. No excuses. No miss direction.

Fingers crossed there's no damage done to the recipients or to the club.

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By *ealDeal66Man
over a year ago

Telford

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By *ellfireClubMan
over a year ago

Sunbury-On-Thames

We have asked for the email to be deleted by all recipients and I have self reported to the ICO and will await their response.

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"We have asked for the email to be deleted by all recipients and I have self reported to the ICO and will await their response. "

You may be able to recall unread emails too.

The recipient has to allow the recall, but that may help.

I'm sure Outlook has the recall facility. Don't know about other carriers of course.

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By *moretwoCouple
over a year ago

Feltham

completely understand mistakes happen but as with many others we are not happy our email has been sent to other people yep most will delete the email as we did but you will get the complete prat who will use the emails and send silly messages... a pity really as a nice club but we will not be attending the club again after this

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club "

I’m saying cut them some slack in terms of understanding and perhaps forgiveness if you feel strongly about the data breach. I’m not saying the club are are exempt from their statutory responsibilities.

So far the club have:

1) publicly apologised

2) minimised damage by asking recipients to delete email

3) self referred to ICO

4) admitted that it was an honest excuse

What more can they do?

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club "

The club hasn't tried to shirk their statutory responsibilities.

In fact exactly the opposite.

They've admitted the error, apologised and are self reporting to the relevant body.

That they're not hiding or obfuscating is to their credit.

It's clearly an error, unfortunate, embarrassing. But not malicious.

Mistakes happen.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay!

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By *asterandGenieCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

I’m saying cut them some slack in terms of understanding and perhaps forgiveness if you feel strongly about the data breach. I’m not saying the club are are exempt from their statutory responsibilities.

So far the club have:

1) publicly apologised

2) minimised damage by asking recipients to delete email

3) self referred to ICO

4) admitted that it was an honest excuse

What more can they do?"

Well I guess they could outline what procedures or technology solutions they now intend to implement to ensure finger trouble doesn’t happen again.

M

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

The club hasn't tried to shirk their statutory responsibilities.

In fact exactly the opposite.

They've admitted the error, apologised and are self reporting to the relevant body.

That they're not hiding or obfuscating is to their credit.

It's clearly an error, unfortunate, embarrassing. But not malicious.

Mistakes happen.

"

I tend to agree. They have done everything they can to limit the damage and respect to them for owning the mistake and not denying it.

That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay! "

They’ve made a mistake and owned up to it.

What else do you wish to happen?

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay! "

You've never made an honest mistake have you.

I don't see what else they can do. And I'm willing to bet they'll move heaven and earth to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Maybe a public hanging will satisfy you.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

The club hasn't tried to shirk their statutory responsibilities.

In fact exactly the opposite.

They've admitted the error, apologised and are self reporting to the relevant body.

That they're not hiding or obfuscating is to their credit.

It's clearly an error, unfortunate, embarrassing. But not malicious.

Mistakes happen.

I tend to agree. They have done everything they can to limit the damage and respect to them for owning the mistake and not denying it.

That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice"

I guess anger is something that will linger with some and perfectly understandable.

The club has though done everything right since the data breach from what I can see

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

The club hasn't tried to shirk their statutory responsibilities.

In fact exactly the opposite.

They've admitted the error, apologised and are self reporting to the relevant body.

That they're not hiding or obfuscating is to their credit.

It's clearly an error, unfortunate, embarrassing. But not malicious.

Mistakes happen.

"

Who said anything about malicious? human error is usually behind everything from wayward email to planes crashing. Intent doesn’t need to be demonstrated

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By *ojos party boyMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

Didn't this happen last year or was it another club?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Didn't this happen last year or was it another club?"

It was another club and funnily enough, nothing terrible ever came of it.

Fair play to hellfire for their handling of the situation. If I was an attendee, this wouldn't stop me attending because I understand mistakes do happen.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

If i go through a red light and admit it, give an abject apology, i may still get a reprimand or fine. That’s life, if you set up a business then there are responsibilities - thats all. No hanging required.

Now if as a result of that momentary lapse there is a car crash, what then?

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Leaks happen

Child benefit left my details unsecured a few years ago. Name, DOB, address, phone number, ni, bank details and details of my little ones.

The gov just posted names, emails, home addresses online

Things happen.

I keep a separate email address for swing or kink. That way I take personal responsibility. Email addresses are free. It doesn't get linked to my real Name, DOB or home address.

The club apologised; accepted responsibility and it was only email address to other swingers.

I'm Sorry to all those affected. Is this thread really the right place for your outrage?

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

I expect no one will get reprimanded over publishing personal details for the new year honours. Mistakes happen, every one chill the fuck out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If i go through a red light and admit it, give an abject apology, i may still get a reprimand or fine. That’s life, if you set up a business then there are responsibilities - thats all. No hanging required.

Now if as a result of that momentary lapse there is a car crash, what then? "

The point is that the club are not looking to avoid a reprimand or shirk from their responsibilities. They have self referred themselves to the information commissioners office who will take the appropriate action.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


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That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice"

But those 150 plus people are all in the same boat and probably value discretion.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london


"If i go through a red light and admit it, give an abject apology, i may still get a reprimand or fine. That’s life, if you set up a business then there are responsibilities - thats all. No hanging required.

Now if as a result of that momentary lapse there is a car crash, what then?

The point is that the club are not looking to avoid a reprimand or shirk from their responsibilities. They have self referred themselves to the information commissioners office who will take the appropriate action."

Good on them, some people seem to think its no biggy. If a club wants to keep a record of its members then it has a responsibility to safeguard that info, its a biggy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice

But those 150 plus people are all in the same boat and probably value discretion."

You'd hope so. But theres plenty of evidence on the forums that some people really dont value it

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!

I would complain directly and very formally to the club.

And probably report....

VERY unprofessional.

I was considering a visit too. I think not now...."

Some people are being a tad hypocritical though, just pointing that out!!

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?"

I bet a few dafties do....

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"

That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice

But those 150 plus people are all in the same boat and probably value discretion.

You'd hope so. But theres plenty of evidence on the forums that some people really dont value it"

There will always be someone who won't but for most I would imagine would not abuse the situation

Obviously it is not a good thing for it to happen but if the E-mail doesn't give away who the people are, ie not traceable to their address etc then it is just an E-mail address

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses


"Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay!

You've never made an honest mistake have you.

I don't see what else they can do. And I'm willing to bet they'll move heaven and earth to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Maybe a public hanging will satisfy you.....

"

No I’ve never revealed details of 150+ members of a swinging club A public hanging? That’s a tad dramatic even for fab

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By *ojos party boyMan
over a year ago

Merseyside


"Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?"

Does anyone use real names with emails anymore? How retro

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By *ojos party boyMan
over a year ago

Merseyside


"Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay!

You've never made an honest mistake have you.

I don't see what else they can do. And I'm willing to bet they'll move heaven and earth to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Maybe a public hanging will satisfy you.....

No I’ve never revealed details of 150+ members of a swinging club A public hanging? That’s a tad dramatic even for fab "

Ooooh public hanging? By the scrotum

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By *n With LifeCouple
over a year ago

Hadley Wood


"Has anybody else received an email from Hellfire complete with dozens of others personal email addresses attached to it?? Pretty sure this is against GDPR!!"

Oops!

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

For those complaining vehemently about this unfortunate mistake, I can sympathise but it’s a mistake that has been acknowledged, dealt with and apologised for.

There are many ‘data breaches’ every year where details for varied companies and institutions get released into the real world. It happens. Providing it’s dealt with properly, then it’s fine.

To avoid visiting a club because they made a mistake, one that probably doesn’t even affect you, is overly harsh and not the type of behaviour that helps such a niche sector as the swinging world.

If you don’t go to the club, it’s sadly your loss, it’s a very friendly and comfortable place to attend.

No, we’re not affiliated to the club

We’re just members and enjoy the venue.

It could’ve been our emails on the list and we’d have dealt with it.

Would you boycott your bank, Facebook, eBay etc. who’ve all had much bigger breaches.?

Just announce of compassion please for someone who puts a lot into our world for not much return.

B&J x

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"For those complaining vehemently about this unfortunate mistake, I can sympathise but it’s a mistake that has been acknowledged, dealt with and apologised for.

There are many ‘data breaches’ every year where details for varied companies and institutions get released into the real world. It happens. Providing it’s dealt with properly, then it’s fine.

To avoid visiting a club because they made a mistake, one that probably doesn’t even affect you, is overly harsh and not the type of behaviour that helps such a niche sector as the swinging world.

If you don’t go to the club, it’s sadly your loss, it’s a very friendly and comfortable place to attend.

No, we’re not affiliated to the club

We’re just members and enjoy the venue.

It could’ve been our emails on the list and we’d have dealt with it.

Would you boycott your bank, Facebook, eBay etc. who’ve all had much bigger breaches.?

Just announce of compassion please for someone who puts a lot into our world for not much return.

B&J x"

I must admit my initial thoughts were don't go there.

Then I thought about it.

I'm not sure the world is about to end.......

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By *ts_me1990Man
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire


"For those complaining vehemently about this unfortunate mistake, I can sympathise but it’s a mistake that has been acknowledged, dealt with and apologised for.

There are many ‘data breaches’ every year where details for varied companies and institutions get released into the real world. It happens. Providing it’s dealt with properly, then it’s fine.

To avoid visiting a club because they made a mistake, one that probably doesn’t even affect you, is overly harsh and not the type of behaviour that helps such a niche sector as the swinging world.

If you don’t go to the club, it’s sadly your loss, it’s a very friendly and comfortable place to attend.

No, we’re not affiliated to the club

We’re just members and enjoy the venue.

It could’ve been our emails on the list and we’d have dealt with it.

Would you boycott your bank, Facebook, eBay etc. who’ve all had much bigger breaches.?

Just announce of compassion please for someone who puts a lot into our world for not much return.

B&J x"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without belittling the impact of this I think we need to appreciate that so far as data breaches go this is as benign as it gets. (Unless the Sun was on the mailing list).

I am hoping that everyone on that list respect each other's privacy and that there is zero damage done.

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By *erms and conditionsCouple
over a year ago

Alton

No... Feel left out now lol

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By *carlet Rose RedWoman
over a year ago

Woodley

Sorry I see this differently. On my old account I got stalked and in the end the police took control thankfully it's over and he was arrested.

Guess what he got my address from and email through the IP address of the email I sent. My whole family found out what things I got up to. The whole thing was very upsetting. So for those of you who think this is not serious I just hope nothing bad comes of this. Pleased I'm not a member

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By *breedyouMan
over a year ago

Bedfont

Friends of mine were on the breached list. Their concern are:

1) emails can be traced with a public tracing website and releases a lot of data about the persons location, identity and how their email account is used. All for free.

2) why does an organisation use BCC when a mass email account is about £50 a month.

3) they never gave the club permission to use their email address.

Double breach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It happens.

My sister in law has the same initial and surname as a famous UK politician. She received an email from our Prime Minister after the election.....

You'd think....

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By *nce a MinxWoman
over a year ago

near basingstoke

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham


"Sorry, the size if the business (that’s what it is, not some private party) does not exempt statutory responsibilities. Would you ‘cut some slack’ if they forgot to get their fire extinguishers checked? They wont get closed down, they may get a slap on the wrist. Discretion should be a minimum requirement for a swingers club

The club hasn't tried to shirk their statutory responsibilities.

In fact exactly the opposite.

They've admitted the error, apologised and are self reporting to the relevant body.

That they're not hiding or obfuscating is to their credit.

It's clearly an error, unfortunate, embarrassing. But not malicious.

Mistakes happen.

I tend to agree. They have done everything they can to limit the damage and respect to them for owning the mistake and not denying it.

That said there isnt a member on this site that wouldn't be absolutely fucking furious if they discovered their email address had been shared with 150+ random swingers because there is a massive scope for mischief and malice

I guess anger is something that will linger with some and perfectly understandable.

The club has though done everything right since the data breach from what I can see "
K.am.a.member but have not been there for years but We all.make.mistakes as long as it's not repeated

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By *eachy200CoolWoman
over a year ago

Guildford


"Sorry I see this differently. On my old account I got stalked and in the end the police took control thankfully it's over and he was arrested.

Guess what he got my address from and email through the IP address of the email I sent. My whole family found out what things I got up to. The whole thing was very upsetting. So for those of you who think this is not serious I just hope nothing bad comes of this. Pleased I'm not a member"

Totally agree with you , this is actually very serious and for those of you that say it isn't I really hope nothing bad comes out of this for those whose privacy has been affected!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are people's comments disappearing admin???

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why are people's comments disappearing admin???"

This.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Normally for breaking forum rules. Questioning what mods do is one of those rules too. If anyone wants to read those rules they are here.

https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock


"It happens.

My sister in law has the same initial and surname as a famous UK politician. She received an email from our Prime Minister after the election.....

You'd think.... "

It can be disconcerting how anyone can find people’s email or home address. My son shares the same name as a well known British media journalist and was sent an invite to a function at St James Palace to our home address. He did go and had fun.

J

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It happens.

My sister in law has the same initial and surname as a famous UK politician. She received an email from our Prime Minister after the election.....

You'd think....

It can be disconcerting how anyone can find people’s email or home address. My son shares the same name as a well known British media journalist and was sent an invite to a function at St James Palace to our home address. He did go and had fun.

J"

It would be quite funny were it not for the fact that she is in Zimbabwe and that means all emails are read by government agencies. Not exactly a friendly country reading politically sensitive information.

You'd think these guys had PA's who check these things. Rather than sending this stuff off into the blue and hoping for the best

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock


"It happens.

My sister in law has the same initial and surname as a famous UK politician. She received an email from our Prime Minister after the election.....

You'd think....

It can be disconcerting how anyone can find people’s email or home address. My son shares the same name as a well known British media journalist and was sent an invite to a function at St James Palace to our home address. He did go and had fun.

J

It would be quite funny were it not for the fact that she is in Zimbabwe and that means all emails are read by government agencies. Not exactly a friendly country reading politically sensitive information.

You'd think these guys had PA's who check these things. Rather than sending this stuff off into the blue and hoping for the best "

Indeed. We believe they found his data from the charitable organisation that he had previously volunteered with, which was organising the function to celebrate the retirement of one of their top executives. He had to go through security checks, etc. and I was invited as his ‘plus one’, but unfortunately, I was ill.

The concern is not only how they have his data, but how they could send out an invitation to someone with the same name, without checking if it was the correct person? He could have been a terrorist, for instance!

J

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?"

Exactly bit too much self righteous indignation really. Surely people do not use their personal/work emails for kink!? I think Hellfire have reacted pretty well to their mistake.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london


"Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?

Exactly bit too much self righteous indignation really. Surely people do not use their personal/work emails for kink!? I think Hellfire have reacted pretty well to their mistake."

Blame the victim, nice. They take money, they are a business, they have a responsibility to those who they take money from. If the local council cock up, they are reprimanded. So should a club, it’s was easily avoidable, it wasn’t some kind of sophisticated attack by Russian intelligence,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people use E-mails with real names in when joining clubs?

Exactly bit too much self righteous indignation really. Surely people do not use their personal/work emails for kink!? I think Hellfire have reacted pretty well to their mistake."

If a club expects someone to show photo ID and proof of address as most clubs do as a condition of membership I'm not sure why it's odd that a normal email address would be used (a work one would be idiotic but not for the reason you imply), I expect clubs that I am members of to treat all my personal info confidentially not some of it.

I agree and have already said the club's response is admirable. Suggesting it could have been avoided if people used a different email smacks of victim blaming and completely misses the point of why GDPR exists

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Anyone with any sense will use alias’s in their email. I do not suggest that the ‘victim’ is to blame, but really, what victim are we actually talking about?! Unlike The Conservative Party leaking details of the New Years Honours list, this has been dealt with pretty honourably

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By *n With LifeCouple
over a year ago

Hadley Wood


"Anyone with any sense will use alias’s in their email. I do not suggest that the ‘victim’ is to blame, but really, what victim are we actually talking about?! Unlike The Conservative Party leaking details of the New Years Honours list, this has been dealt with pretty honourably "

The New Years honours list was “leaked” inadvertently by the Cabinet Office which is a government department and not the Conservative Party.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Nobody should have to use alias’s anyway as their personal data should be safe and secure! That’s the point

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Indeed, but it is always better to take some personal responsibility. Again, Hellfire have done everything right after the mistake. Let he (or she), who has not made a mistake cast the first stone...

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Indeed, but it is always better to take some personal responsibility. Again, Hellfire have done everything right after the mistake. Let he (or she), who has not made a mistake cast the first stone..."

I think it is the club who should take responsibility for the cock up which they seem to have done no matter what e-mail address a person uses.

I was more asking a general question of is that what people do, give their own personal e-mail address rather then a non descript one

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By *n With LifeCouple
over a year ago

Hadley Wood


"Indeed, but it is always better to take some personal responsibility. Again, Hellfire have done everything right after the mistake. Let he (or she), who has not made a mistake cast the first stone..."

What about personal responsibility for the previous slur?

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By *ptowncoupleCouple
over a year ago

Sutton

I do hope no one involved is adversely affected by this, but understand their worry. Mistakes, unfortunate as this, can happen. It sounds like Hellfire has acted as swiftly as they could to rectify and minimise any harm.

We haven't been to the club (yet) but have registered previously, as far as we are aware, we haven't been affected. From what we understand from others, this is a well run and friendly club and is on our list to visit in 2020. HNY to all x


"For those complaining vehemently about this unfortunate mistake, I can sympathise but it’s a mistake that has been acknowledged, dealt with and apologised for.

There are many ‘data breaches’ every year where details for varied companies and institutions get released into the real world. It happens. Providing it’s dealt with properly, then it’s fine.

To avoid visiting a club because they made a mistake, one that probably doesn’t even affect you, is overly harsh and not the type of behaviour that helps such a niche sector as the swinging world.

If you don’t go to the club, it’s sadly your loss, it’s a very friendly and comfortable place to attend.

No, we’re not affiliated to the club

We’re just members and enjoy the venue.

It could’ve been our emails on the list and we’d have dealt with it.

Would you boycott your bank, Facebook, eBay etc. who’ve all had much bigger breaches.?

Just announce of compassion please for someone who puts a lot into our world for not much return.

B&J x"

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise "

Agreed

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise

No way, it’s disgusting! Not good enough at all

They have apologised and taken steps to minimise the damage by asking recipients to delete the email.

What else do you want them to do?

I doubt they run a high profit business where they can offer everybody financial compensation.

Well done hell fire club for holding your hands up and apologising. Many would have spun it with a jackanory story.

I like the club's response.

No fluff. No excuses. No miss direction.

Fingers crossed there's no damage done to the recipients or to the club."

Agreed and fingers firmly crossed that no one including the club will be impacted

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge


"Minimised damage?? By sharing personal email addresses and breaking trust of its members? Confidentiality and trust are at the heart of swinging so no, not good enough. If my email had been on that list there would be hell to pay!

You've never made an honest mistake have you.

I don't see what else they can do. And I'm willing to bet they'll move heaven and earth to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Maybe a public hanging will satisfy you.....

No I’ve never revealed details of 150+ members of a swinging club A public hanging? That’s a tad dramatic even for fab

Ooooh public hanging? By the scrotum "

Can we make it a private hanging and not compound the problem please x

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge


"Sorry I see this differently. On my old account I got stalked and in the end the police took control thankfully it's over and he was arrested.

Guess what he got my address from and email through the IP address of the email I sent. My whole family found out what things I got up to. The whole thing was very upsetting. So for those of you who think this is not serious I just hope nothing bad comes of this. Pleased I'm not a member"

Sorry to hear that it must have been horrible. Fingers crossed that no one will have to suffer the same issues off the back of this

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By *nob and KnockersCouple
over a year ago

Ashford


"Cut the club some slack. It is a very poor data breach - inexcusable but mistakes do happen.

There is no indication that it was deliberate. Maybe a bit of compassion as we’ve all sent some sort of email / text message by mistake.

I assume it is a small run business and hasn’t got IT departments, legal teams and HR etc.

Very good of the club to publicly apologise "

I was just thinking the same cut them some slack. Mistakes happen. We were and are still going to attend Hell Fire

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By *n With LifeCouple
over a year ago

Hadley Wood

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By *ellfireClubMan
over a year ago

Sunbury-On-Thames

UPDATE:

We reported ourselves to the ICO within 4 hours of the incident and sent apologies with request to delete within 45 minutes.

The ICO have adjudicated and there is No Further Action Required. Anyone who wishes to see the adjudication, please contact us.

There have been posts and direct mailings regarding mass email providers which are GDPR compliant; we use Vertical Response for all general marketing and they are compliant. On this occasion, we were sending a reminder, re NYE, to a small group of friends and members, the list unfortunately contained 3 people who were neither.

We do not minimise the potential dangers to people, having their email address disseminated deliberately or inadvertently and reiterate our apologies to those affected.

I want to thank the numerous Fab members, and our own, who have been very supportive and also take this opportunity to say thanks to the near capacity crowd at New Years Eve; it was a fantastic night!

Happy New Year.

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

I’m sure there’s lessons in there for everyone. The ICO say no further action needed, club will share the notice.

Hopefully no one will be compromised by the breech. If they are the club will hopefully cover your legal costs under the public liability element / or other sections of their insurance policy.

I’ve been once and it won’t put me off going again.

I use proton email for swinging.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"UPDATE:

We reported ourselves to the ICO within 4 hours of the incident and sent apologies with request to delete within 45 minutes.

The ICO have adjudicated and there is No Further Action Required. Anyone who wishes to see the adjudication, please contact us.

There have been posts and direct mailings regarding mass email providers which are GDPR compliant; we use Vertical Response for all general marketing and they are compliant. On this occasion, we were sending a reminder, re NYE, to a small group of friends and members, the list unfortunately contained 3 people who were neither.

We do not minimise the potential dangers to people, having their email address disseminated deliberately or inadvertently and reiterate our apologies to those affected.

I want to thank the numerous Fab members, and our own, who have been very supportive and also take this opportunity to say thanks to the near capacity crowd at New Years Eve; it was a fantastic night!

Happy New Year.

"

I think the matter was handled very quickly and reported to the relevant authorities shortly after the breach was reported.

Could have went the opposite way.

Good effort folks

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

Very well handled once the mistake had been spotted.

NYE was an amazing party..

Glad the ICO were sensible in their outcome.

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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago

Between a cock and a soft place


"UPDATE:

We reported ourselves to the ICO within 4 hours of the incident and sent apologies with request to delete within 45 minutes.

The ICO have adjudicated and there is No Further Action Required. Anyone who wishes to see the adjudication, please contact us.

There have been posts and direct mailings regarding mass email providers which are GDPR compliant; we use Vertical Response for all general marketing and they are compliant. On this occasion, we were sending a reminder, re NYE, to a small group of friends and members, the list unfortunately contained 3 people who were neither.

We do not minimise the potential dangers to people, having their email address disseminated deliberately or inadvertently and reiterate our apologies to those affected.

I want to thank the numerous Fab members, and our own, who have been very supportive and also take this opportunity to say thanks to the near capacity crowd at New Years Eve; it was a fantastic night!

Happy New Year.

"

Great news and well handled.

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