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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

So I’m back after a 48 hour ban.

A little update for you all.

The websites are up to date.

Easter is unlikely as we have been held up by the authorities on our licences.

I have a meeting next week and should know more after that.

Renovation wise we are just about there.

Thank you for all the support

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By *rattyPrincessWoman
over a year ago

hemel hempstead

Good luck, looking forward to clubs return x

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By *inkycatWoman
over a year ago

High Wycombe

Good luck, can’t wait to try the new place!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the best to you and the team. Looking forward to visiting the new place when up and running x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking forward to making waves in the pool very soon. Xx

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By *izusMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Hope all goes well. Cannot wait to visit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the best

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for the update, we are so looking forward to attending.

Pleased to hear renovations are nearly there and fingers crossed the licences do not take too long xx

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By *tamina321Man
over a year ago

Rhymney

How do I join these clubs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best of luck, hope the licenses aren’t an issue. Can’t wait for you to open

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By *AD1068Man
over a year ago

Ealing

Is it still in the same place near Heathrow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I’m back after a 48 hour ban.

A little update for you all.

The websites are up to date.

Easter is unlikely as we have been held up by the authorities on our licences.

I have a meeting next week and should know more after that.

Renovation wise we are just about there.

Thank you for all the support "

Welcome back! X

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"Is it still in the same place near Heathrow?"

No that venue was closed.

The new one is not far.

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"How do I join these clubs?"

Apply for membership on the website.

Hopefully one of our helpful members will point you in the right direction as we can post web address.

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By *armite6774Couple
over a year ago

Southampton

We can't wait for the opening night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We can't wait for the opening night "

Judging by all the interest it’s going to be a busy night!

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"We can't wait for the opening night

Judging by all the interest it’s going to be a busy night! "

Might have to auction off tickets!!!!!

Joke begin get accused of profiteering and robbing people.....

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By *eedsortingMan
over a year ago

Radley

Thanks for the updates and hope you manage to get the licensing issue resolved nice and quickly. Good work and wishing you all the very best for when you do manage to open. Looking forward to Kestrels mk 2!

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By *m A FuckerMan
over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent

Hi I reapplied about six weeks ago but not heard anything?

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"We can't wait for the opening night

Judging by all the interest it’s going to be a busy night!

Might have to auction off tickets!!!!!

Joke begin get accused of profiteering and robbing people....."

Unbelievable. Don't people realise it is a business and that they have a choice?

We will be there to try out the facilities as soon as it opens.

Good luck xx

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Membership applied for

Sad news you won't be open for Easter, I'll have to replan my birthday night out now, but still looking forward to when you do reopen x

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"Hi I reapplied about six weeks ago but not heard anything? "

We are having a few issues with the membership card printer, once the issues are resolved we will be in a position to issue the cards.

Sorry for the delay but we are drowning under paperwork and red tape.

The website is up to date with all the news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brilliant, looking forward to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi I reapplied about six weeks ago but not heard anything?

We are having a few issues with the membership card printer, once the issues are resolved we will be in a position to issue the cards.

Sorry for the delay but we are drowning under paperwork and red tape.

The website is up to date with all the news. "

Keep smiling, you’re getting there!

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

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By *m A FuckerMan
over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent

Can't wait to walk through the doors lol

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By *az1234Couple
over a year ago

uxbridge

Thanks for updating us.

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By *areass2017Man
over a year ago

east coast

Will you still be able to visit as a day pass visitor?

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"Will you still be able to visit as a day pass visitor? "

We stopped offering day-pass’s at the old venue about 6 months before we closed. Due to licensing we are unable to reintroduce them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very excited to see the new club, miss the Heathrow one, was such a great night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will you still be able to visit as a day pass visitor?

We stopped offering day-pass’s at the old venue about 6 months before we closed. Due to licensing we are unable to reintroduce them. "

I think you’re charging £10 for membership so that should hardly be off putting.

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"Will you still be able to visit as a day pass visitor?

We stopped offering day-pass’s at the old venue about 6 months before we closed. Due to licensing we are unable to reintroduce them.

I think you’re charging £10 for membership so that should hardly be off putting."

It will be £10 per year, per person for Kestel

And £10 per year, per person for AbFab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't wait, will be so good to see old friends. Good luck with everything xx

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Thanks for all the updates and hard work. Looking forward to visiting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been in mourning since the old place went. Life simply hadn’t been the same! Sooo looking forward to this Phoenix rising from the ashes and seeing old friends again.

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

Tagging into this one too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can’t wait

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By *bw_lover33Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

In the words of Peter Kay " Sunshine indoors, its sunshine induurs my friend " lol

Phoenix nights ( Brian Potter)

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By *tanCouple
over a year ago

Oxfordshire

Cannot wait!! Looking forward to it!!

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By *ebsandmarkCouple
over a year ago

Feltham

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease hurry up lol. Missing the place so much

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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Take your time and get it right, as I'm sure you will be doing... Nobody wants this place to fall foul of the authorities.

Sending lots of love and luck for this new club, wishing you all all the success in the world xx

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Shame jobs don’t pay more then min wage

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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy far far away

Great to have you guys back to.

Hopefully you'll be able to cut through the red tape soon

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Shame jobs don’t pay more then min wage"

Isn't that reminiscent of a Woody Allen film....

Michael James: Did you find a job?

Victor Skakapopulis: Yeah, I got something at the striptease. I help the girls dress and undress.

Michael James: Nice job.

Victor Skakapopulis: Twenty francs a week.

Michael James: Not very much.

Victor Skakapopulis: It's all I can afford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So true

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Any update on the opening?

The website doesn't give a clue.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any update on the opening?

The website doesn't give a clue....."

The place is virtually ready, just as soon as they can resolve the licensing issue relating to the steam room and sauna etc they will be open!

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

So can’t wait to come down to see the club and old friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So can’t wait to come down to see the club and old friends

Yes we miss everybody, although it’s surprising how many have cropped up at other clubs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love to try this cub in the future

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By *iana777Woman
over a year ago

Littlehampton

I hope to see you open soon I had a great deal of fun before and I'm sure this one will be just as much fun can't wait to come and see for myself.

All the best in the world xx

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By *nsatiable_nymphWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere down south

Bookmarking

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By *ilkes74Man
over a year ago

Reading

Got to make a visit for nostalgia and maybe meet a few friends

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By *heeseandWineCouple
over a year ago

Reading and Southampton

"Take your time and get it right, as I'm sure you will be doing... Nobody wants this place to fall foul of the authorities.

Sending lots of love and luck for this new club, wishing you all all the success in the world xx"
Our thoughts too and we are so looking forward to the reopening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve really missed not being able to go to my local club, it was right on my door step and days like today with the sun shining it was amazing!

I still get nervous with the social part so need to work on that when it re opens

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By *AD1068Man
over a year ago

Ealing

So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?"

It’s even closer to Heathrow!

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over a year ago

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By *attyBWoman
over a year ago

Dunstable/Luton

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?"

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

There is potential there for an outdoors area from the pool and I hope the new owners are able to take advantage of it.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

"Got to make a visit for nostalgia and maybe meet a few friends"

Meet you there

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

There is potential there for an outdoors area from the pool and I hope the new owners are able to take advantage of it. "

??? And where would that be....can't see that myself....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

There is potential there for an outdoors area from the pool and I hope the new owners are able to take advantage of it.

??? And where would that be....can't see that myself...."

It’s the area outside the pool up to the fence. It’s quite a long strip of land. It just needs some clever shielding.

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By *attyBWoman
over a year ago

Dunstable/Luton

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

There is potential there for an outdoors area from the pool and I hope the new owners are able to take advantage of it. "

They may not be able to due to the licencing and neighbours....but that is for them to decide....as it stands there is no outdoor areas as they have already said several times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So is it still very close to Heathrow? And had it got outdoor facilities?

No outdoor facilities at the new venue

There is potential there for an outdoors area from the pool and I hope the new owners are able to take advantage of it.

They may not be able to due to the licencing and neighbours....but that is for them to decide....as it stands there is no outdoor areas as they have already said several times."

Correct, and it’s a great venue as it stands.

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

If the pool and spa parts are causing the club opening issues, perhaps you should open as a normal swingers club without spa facilities. that might help finances until you are able to open the spa areas.

Just a thought!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the pool and spa parts are causing the club opening issues, perhaps you should open as a normal swingers club without spa facilities. that might help finances until you are able to open the spa areas.

Just a thought!! "

The pool experience has always been so

Integral to Kestrels that most of their members wouldn't be happy not to have it.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Just a thought!! "

Doesn't it depend on layout of the club.....I am sure the owners have thought if that alteady but prefer a whole club experience for the customers from the onset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wondered how the recruitment was going with the need for staff and a opening date?

Must be so frustrating to have undertaken all the great efforts, to be held up by this! Personally looking forward to the new venue, alternative to going north!

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By *bw_lover33Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Putting a pool outside would be very difficult. There is a strip of land round the back and side but its very narrow n shaded.

There is also a footpath next to it so it would be a logistical nightmare stopping people from peering through the fence or causing general nuisance.

I think building garden on the roof is there best bet as Chameleons have done!!

Outdoor pool isnt the be all and end all but i think sunbathing would be a great addition if they can facilitate that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember there is a tall hotel literally next door with windows on that side.. Soo maybe not such a good idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or you could use the roof but it can't be any naked sunbathing

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By *attyBWoman
over a year ago

Dunstable/Luton

In my opinion, everyone needs to stop comparing to the old venue...

The new venue will be COMPLETELY different.

Need to accept and move on from the fact there will be NO OUTDOOR space.

If the outdoor space is a sticking point for you then don't go to the club.....simples.

Let the team get on with putting the finishing touches to the venue, getting it all passed by the bureaucrats and the licencing people so that they can open and those of us that can accept the INDOOR facilities will be able to enjoy once more!

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

Looking forward to visiting

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By *armite6774Couple
over a year ago

Southampton

"In my opinion, everyone needs to stop comparing to the old venue...

The new venue will be COMPLETELY different.

Need to accept and move on from the fact there will be NO OUTDOOR space.

If the outdoor space is a sticking point for you then don't go to the club.....simples.

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion, everyone needs to stop comparing to the old venue...

The new venue will be COMPLETELY different.

Need to accept and move on from the fact there will be NO OUTDOOR space.

If the outdoor space is a sticking point for you then don't go to the club.....simples.

well said "

But... but... then people won't be able to whine about how their favourite thing from the old club is missing from the new one.

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By *eedsortingMan
over a year ago

Radley

Always going to be a tricky one. Keep the name (or something similar) and those that are hard of thinking will assume it's just like the old one, despite any announcements and information to the contrary. Call it something different and you lose the name association with the old place and people might not make the connection. Like most on this thread I am just waiting for it to open and have the chance to enjoy the new facilities. Biggest plus about it being indoors is that all facilities will be available all year round irrespective of the weather. Sure, I did love the outdoor aspect of the old Kestrels but that chapter has closed and it will remain happy memories.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

Plus points, I rarely wine to AbFabs/Kestrels in the winter, this should fix that. Also, I went to I a club in Cap D’Agde with a large steam room, fucking in that was great! Let’s hope this one is large enough and actually working!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I’m back after a 48 hour ban.

A little update for you all.

The websites are up to date.

Easter is unlikely as we have been held up by the authorities on our licences.

I have a meeting next week and should know more after that.

Renovation wise we are just about there.

Thank you for all the support "

Hope all the work and plans are progressing as expected.

Do you think you will be open week of 6th May?

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By *bw_lover33Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

In my email it said they are encountering Licensing issues for certain areas of the facility and they are asking if any prospective members have the right certificates.

?1. Sports Management, Sauna/Steam Room Training.

2 ITEC Level 3 Diploma in Spa treatments.

I have a plant room certificate but thats not remotely close to what they are after.

Does anyone have these? Might get you free membership n a nice responsibility to put on your cv

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

Can u still use yr old membership?

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Can u still use yr old membership? "

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?"

It’s a bargain!

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?"

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss. "

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I’m back after a 48 hour ban.

A little update for you all.

The websites are up to date.

Easter is unlikely as we have been held up by the authorities on our licences.

I have a meeting next week and should know more after that.

Renovation wise we are just about there.

Thank you for all the support "

Can’t wait for this club to open ! ??

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By *oreFunForAllCouple
over a year ago

Dumstable

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR...."

Yep, legally it is an issues.

It’s either a new business and has no database and no mailing list

It’s a relocated business and it then retains the right to use its own database.

It can’t be both.

I deal with this for a FTSE50 company, so it’s not a grey area for me.

Lifetime membership has to be just that, they can change what that membership entitles you to but you can’t take an existing database from company X and give it to company Y without double opt in from the data subjects (me, you, us in this case).

Do I care about £30, no.

But considering the legal challenges Kestrels/Abfabs have previously encountered I’m surprised they are not showing more business acumen and due diligence.

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By *aptain VMan
over a year ago

Birstall, Leicester

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR....

Yep, legally it is an issues.

It’s either a new business and has no database and no mailing list

It’s a relocated business and it then retains the right to use its own database.

It can’t be both.

I deal with this for a FTSE50 company, so it’s not a grey area for me.

Do I care about £30, no.

But considering the legal challenges Kestrels/Abfabs have previously encountered I’m surprised they are not showing more business acumen and due diligence."

I work for a law firm and i can see a law suit coming up

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By *esires of HertsCouple
over a year ago

Herts and London Borders

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR....

Yep, legally it is an issues.

It’s either a new business and has no database and no mailing list

It’s a relocated business and it then retains the right to use its own database.

It can’t be both.

I deal with this for a FTSE50 company, so it’s not a grey area for me.

Do I care about £30, no.

But considering the legal challenges Kestrels/Abfabs have previously encountered I’m surprised they are not showing more business acumen and due diligence.

I work for a law firm and i can see a law suit coming up"

Cant see anyone taking it to court and admitting they are a swinger in an open court

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR....

Yep, legally it is an issues.

It’s either a new business and has no database and no mailing list

It’s a relocated business and it then retains the right to use its own database.

It can’t be both.

I deal with this for a FTSE50 company, so it’s not a grey area for me.

Do I care about £30, no.

But considering the legal challenges Kestrels/Abfabs have previously encountered I’m surprised they are not showing more business acumen and due diligence.

I work for a law firm and i can see a law suit coming up

Cant see anyone taking it to court and admitting they are a swinger in an open court"

Why not?

I have what could be called a sensitive job & ive never hidden it. My family know. My kids know. My friends know. Hell even my work colleagues know. I’m not ashamed to be a swinger.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

What's supposed to be shameful about swinging?

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By *oreFunForAllCouple
over a year ago

Dumstable

Cant see anyone taking it to court and admitting they are a swinger in an open court"

You don’t have to ba a swinger to take legal action.

All it takes is a previous council or enforcement official involved with kestrels/abfab1 to be emailed about kestrels/abfabs2 which is now described as a different legal entity and there is a breech of GDPR.

And I’d be surprised if one of the enforcement officials or investigators didn’t join up as a member as part of their investigation work.

I want this club to work as I want a local club, but it needs to be done right as they are a target and the place will be hounded with legal issues again.

There are lots of membership “clubs” that are nothing more than that, membership to a club. It doesn’t mean access to anything physical, you need to buy an additional membership for that.

£60 a year membership is fine with us If the club is good enough, but that may not work for everyone.

I’d just be more concerned that yet another example of poor business practice has occurred that will allow difficult officials to take action.

Abfabs, you need to reword your membership forms to be GDPR compliant in terms of storing personal documents.

You need to make it clear what you do with the documents you are sent, how long they are retained and by what medium especially as you may be sent passport info that include sensitive and protected data such as ethnicity.

If you have CCTV you need a section for that too.

Same with the sign in sheets.

Feel free to reach out by message if you want help.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

As a contemplating membership newbie this thread has many worrying statements...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just looked up the fines involved for a breaking gdpr and they are huge!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is easily solved, rather than ranting about what 'incorrect practices' how about anyone with the correct skill within the law, trades, IT etc contact the owners and offer the help and advice they need. I'm quite sure they want to do the right thing here. You can see they have worked hard to get this business we all know and love off the ground

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By *parkybunnyCouple
over a year ago

Zurich. NOT London.

"Can u still use yr old membership?

No....it's a new club. Membership is only £10 so surely it isn't an issue?

New club but using old website and old mailing list of people with old memberships. I massively support Abfab/kestrels but this feels amiss.

I don't blame them doing this in order to recuperate their costs of a very expensive venue in prime location for where there is a big gap in the market.

Sadly it is a breach of GDPR....

Yep, legally it is an issues.

It’s either a new business and has no database and no mailing list

It’s a relocated business and it then retains the right to use its own database.

It can’t be both.

I deal with this for a FTSE50 company, so it’s not a grey area for me.

Do I care about £30, no.

But considering the legal challenges Kestrels/Abfabs have previously encountered I’m surprised they are not showing more business acumen and due diligence."

This! I loved abfabs but to go into the new business without dotting the it's and crossing the t's seems foolhardy at the very least.

PS. I can't wait for the new one to open, conforming to all current legislation so there is no recourse.

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By *eedsortingMan
over a year ago

Radley

"This is easily solved, rather than ranting about what 'incorrect practices' how about anyone with the correct skill within the law, trades, IT etc contact the owners and offer the help and advice they need. I'm quite sure they want to do the right thing here. You can see they have worked hard to get this business we all know and love off the ground"

That will probably be why Poly 3 said "feel free to reach out to me as I am happy to help". Someone who clearly cares about the club and wants to see it succeed. But without forcing his knowledge and skills on them. Agree, the crew have been working hard to get this thing up and running again. Those of us that were fortunate enough to enjoy the old place miss it and are aware that there were some issues that could have been handled better to avoid what happened. With all the hard work that has gone into creating the new venue none of us want to see it fail over relatively simple things that could have been avoided. Having said that, I'm not sure there is too much for them to do to meet the GDPR requirements as the new club does involve a new sign up process, new membership, clarity that the old place has gone and therefore prior memberships are not applicable. So, all in all, maybe not very much needs to be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What they need are positive helpful suggestions and offers of help. We all want to see it succeed.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

What they need are positive helpful suggestions and offers of help. We all want to see it succeed."

Free advice to help them not fall foul of the law is helpful. It isn’t a book club, its a commercial business. They need to comply, how many times do we pick up the paper and find Theresa been a breach of data? It’s information that can be used for annoying but harmless things like double glazing ads or for a way to harvest personal information for fraud. It’s not trivial

I also hope it works out, looks like a great space but it needs to be safe, secure and professional. It’s not a house party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The issu would be the new business having access to the old business' membership records.

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

Well done to poly3 for the offer of help and guidance

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By *alentino7Man
over a year ago

London

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Is people’s data safe or not?

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By *ingersmalloyMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

No . You are going to be outed in your local Village as a swinger.lol get real, I'm sure everything is ok . Never known so many people to want a ship to sink before it is sailed .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No . You are going to be outed in your local Village as a swinger.lol get real, I'm sure everything is ok . Never known so many people to want a ship to sink before it is sailed . "

This isn't a case of wanting to sink the ship. It's a real concern FOR the ship. I work in an business where we handle a lot of personal data, the penalties for screwing up under GDPR could blow any small business right out of the water on a single offence.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

Fraudsters would love to get your name, address, DOB and that proof of identity - photocopy of your DL or passport. It’s not about gossip down the pub, identity theft is unlikely but oh so real. No organisation should be exempt.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Are the owners the same as the previous ones?

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By *arco987Man
over a year ago

London (West) / Windsor

Absolutely spot on. I will be asking that question in person. As Poly 3 says.... you need this right or it will wipe you out... Get it right please.

We will have 6 years max in this location probably less. Lets not set it up for 6 months!

For those of you who feel despair at 6 years.... it's quickly coming a reality that the location there will be one of the principal taxiways to the third runway opening in 2026.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

It’s all sounding like a Mickey Mouse set up

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By *ohnsamCouple
over a year ago

Bramley

OMG there seems to be soooo much negativity,why?

Nothing about the club coming back is negative, it's all positive to those that want it. Those that don't, move on.

It is coming back,and it will be amazing.

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By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"OMG there seems to be soooo much negativity,why?

Nothing about the club coming back is negative, it's all positive to those that want it. Those that don't, move on.

It is coming back,and it will be amazing. "

I'm not sure exactly which comments you're referring to, but if it's to do with potential GDPR breaches with the new club using the old club membership data, I'm glad the issue is being raised. Far better the owners are aware and can do something about it, than end up being fined out of business a few months after opening! This sort of thing is not something you can just bury your head in the sand about and pretend it doesn't exist. As someone else has said, the fines are pretty extensive.

Help by a couple of posters has even been offered, which I think is fantastic of them, to help the owners ensure they are compliant.

Far from seeing negativity, I see people raising issues to ensure dotting of I's and crossing of T's and even offering to help, which in my view is both constructive and positive.

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

Thank you to all your points raise on the GDRP breach.

If someone could PM with the facts about our breach I would appreciate it. Our GDRP solicitors are convinced we have not breached any. The old mailing list is not used by the new company. The old mailing list is used by the old company, so no breach. The new company has not sent out any email yet, so no breach.

To comply to GDRP is a full time job and with experts disagreeing on the interpretation of some aspects of it, it’s extremely confusing for anyone not trained.

Data from the application is stored in a third party cloud that is GDRP compliant. Your data is kept as per the GDP regulations on membership data. Only accessible by our staff when needed and released to the authorities when asked.

If anyone has any concerns please email in or PM me.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

From the need to crowdfund, to asking people for free help, to not knowing what regulations and qualifications were needed, to not honouring previous membership and having concerns about safe storage of personal data it’s not sounding particularly professional, sorry guys. I hope it all works out well for everyone who wants to see it back but it’s all left a very bitter taste in my mouth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are using the old company website, which is being used to gather data, for the so called, new company. Advertising jobs for a company, unless you are a recruitment agency, means you are operating as the company. Either you are the old company or you aren't, you can't be both. If you are a new company then you are in breach if you are actually the old company then you aren't, unless you aren't who you say you are then again you are in breach. Yes it is complicated but it's also pretty straight forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ever feel like your bashing your head against a brick wall ???

These guys are trying to open up a club in a very unique area of business. They reach out for help along the way, utilising the resources available to them i.e. us the swingers who all work in a vast array of services all with their own possible experience and expertise.

Now the data protection is being thrown around, come on now guys. Give them a break. Ether help them get over the line or leave them be. Trolling on here isn't helpful, and I'm pretty sure not needed or wanted.

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"You are using the old company website, which is being used to gather data, for the so called, new company. Advertising jobs for a company, unless you are a recruitment agency, means you are operating as the company. Either you are the old company or you aren't, you can't be both. If you are a new company then you are in breach if you are actually the old company then you aren't, unless you aren't who you say you are then again you are in breach. Yes it is complicated but it's also pretty straight forward. "

Lol

I’ll pass this in to the lawyers. But I’m fairly sure advertising for jobs is not in breach, using a trading names website is not in breach. And trying to undermine us is in breach.

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By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Reading

Recently completed GDPR training as part of my new role.

Fines of upto 20 million or 4% of annual turnover is the new limit.

That isn't to say the regulators will hit you with the biggest fine possible. This is far from reality, with the UK data regulator admitting that any GDPR violations will be assessed and judged taking a wide variety of factors and contextual information into consideration. That means any measures your company takes to protect data and manage it properly will be marked in your favour if you suffer a breach.

Wonder who sent me the email regarding the "new" club

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Pple have genuine concerns over privacy and the owner laughs just laughs it off? That ain’t right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pple have genuine concerns over privacy and the owner laughs just laughs it off? That ain’t right "

Not sure I saw this personally, but the responce I read was OK and addressed some of the issues, website concern seeking professional opinion is the correct action. I think everyone is getting alittle too emotional and needs to calm down.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

You didn’t see ‘lol - I’ll pass this onto the lawyers’

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By *oopyLouLouWoman
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Thank you to all your points raise on the GDRP breach.

To comply to GDRP is a full time job and with experts disagreeing on the interpretation of some aspects of it, it’s extremely confusing for anyone not trained.

If anyone has any concerns please email in or PM me. "

So much knowledge and assurance and yet you refer to it as GDRP!!!

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

The ‘lol’ was a mistake.

I’m about to delete from here.

I am being personal trolled.

Kestrel and AbFab will no longer have an official face on here, so all information that is posted will not be confirmed. So please be aware if you read information it may be incorrect.

Happy Swinging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OMG there seems to be soooo much negativity,why?

Nothing about the club coming back is negative, it's all positive to those that want it. Those that don't, move on.

It is coming back,and it will be amazing.

Help by a couple of posters has even been offered, which I think is fantastic of them, to help the owners ensure they are compliant.

Far from seeing negativity, I see people raising issues to ensure dotting of I's and crossing of T's and even offering to help, which in my view is both constructive and positive."

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By *usty and LustyCouple
over a year ago

Fleet

Main website has been updated, no membership details,no update, just a simple closed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Main website has been updated, no membership details,no update, just a simple closed."

I see two possible reasons for this.

1. They have closed down.

2. They have been told legally that they can't use an old website and its database for a new business.

Time will tell but it doesn't look very good when it all it says is closed after recent events.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Well if they never open up again all you negative people giving them negative feedback........... there isn't a decent hottub in a 25 mile radius of the M25....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if they never open up again all you negative people giving them negative feedback........... there isn't a decent hottub in a 25 mile radius of the M25...."

Negative or truth. Now that is a question.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Curious and curiouser

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Blimey this thread got very dramatic

Best case is that the owners of the new place have realised there maybe a problem regarding GDPR and they are being prudent and cautious taking down all the information, website etc. until their lawyers have cleared everything.

If I was the owner I would definitely be reaching out to the professionally experienced people who have offered to help in this thread.

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

"Blimey this thread got very dramatic

If I was the owner I would definitely be reaching out to the professionally experienced people who have offered to help in this thread."

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With all the prior legal issues, the best thing the owners (whoever they are) of Kestrel/AbFab 2 could have done is obtain and pay for comprehensive formal legal advice so they know what steps and hoops to jump through before they crowdfunded and obtained new premises. Think of the ££millions tied up in the building.

The area needs a new club but going off ‘half cocked’ isn’t the way to do it. Someone earlier said ‘it’s a bit different to hosting a house party!’ I think the owners sadly might be finding that out the hard way.

Time for them to regroup, rethink and try again.

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By *oreFunForAllCouple
over a year ago

Dumstable

It seems like my offer to help and advice has been deleted from this thread, I assume by Fabs admin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont understand why it needs to have any association or connection with the old club.

Nor do I understand the legal issues with opening a club. Other clubs are open, so no doubt they have done it, and obtained necessary legals.

If people dont want to join it, they can shove off, there are plenty who do and will, myself included.

Lets get it stripped back to the bare bones of what is required to get a club up and running and get on with it please

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"I dont understand why it needs to have any association or connection with the old club.

Nor do I understand the legal issues with opening a club. Other clubs are open, so no doubt they have done it, and obtained necessary legals.

If people dont want to join it, they can shove off, there are plenty who do and will, myself included.

Lets get it stripped back to the bare bones of what is required to get a club up and running and get on with it please

Most posters ITT,like us, really want to go to the new club, and want it to succeed.

In the past 72 hours some posters have raised the completely reasonable question of how come the new company seems to be using the mailing list of the old company, which might be a legal problem regards data protection regulations.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

"I dont understand why it needs to have any association or connection with the old club.

Nor do I understand the legal issues with opening a club. Other clubs are open, so no doubt they have done it, and obtained necessary legals.

If people dont want to join it, they can shove off, there are plenty who do and will, myself included.

Lets get it stripped back to the bare bones of what is required to get a club up and running and get on with it please

The ‘bare bones’ is what they are trying to do and what people are concerned with. Complying with the law as a minimum is just that. They need to show that are taking care of paying customers by having appropriately qualified staff and compliant facilities, those will be required to obtain insurance. The data protection thing actually appears to be one of the easier things to deal with? I want it to succeed but needs to be done properly, these things also protects the owners remember.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Do we even know if it's a new company? Or is it the existing company opening a new club?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Do we even know if it's a new company? Or is it the existing company opening a new club? "

Going off the information in these very long threads, it’s a new company.

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

Since everybody believes everything they read on this thread can i just take this opportunity to say i have a 10inch c**k

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont understand why it needs to have any association or connection with the old club.

Nor do I understand the legal issues with opening a club. Other clubs are open, so no doubt they have done it, and obtained necessary legals.

If people dont want to join it, they can shove off, there are plenty who do and will, myself included.

Lets get it stripped back to the bare bones of what is required to get a club up and running and get on with it please

I'm not sure they are mate. Sounds like they are trying to tick as many boxes as possible and please everyone.

I say, just open the club, apply by laws, as all other clubs do and lets have some fun.

Other bells and whistles can come later

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

"Since everybody believes everything they read on this thread can i just take this opportunity to say i have a 10inch c**k

Liar!!!!! Lol

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

Ok I’m back briefly.

Anyone fancy telling me who owns the database? You all signed it so should know.....

So unless you are aware of the actual owner of the database how can you know we breach?....

Trading names of companies don’t own databases.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"Ok I’m back briefly.

Anyone fancy telling me who owns the database? You all signed it so should know.....

So unless you are aware of the actual owner of the database how can you know we breach?....

Trading names of companies don’t own databases. "

Not being funny but some sort of ‘yikes’ gif would be appropriate here....

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

Does anyone know what they are doing? Worrying

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By *kinnyBird OP Woman
over a year ago

Longford

"Does anyone know what they are doing? Worrying "

Who? Me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The tone of this thread seems to have taken a worrying turn?

It should really be about how the people that involved in running a much respected and much missed club, are nearly at the point of opening a brand new premises for all us to enjoy our life choices in a secure, well equipped and and professional (and private) environment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tone of this thread seems to have taken a worrying turn?

Couldn't agree more and can't wait for them to open

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By *armite6774Couple
over a year ago

Southampton

I think the best thing to do is let the owners and who eles is involved in the new place is to let them get on with everything and stop being so negative about the place before it even get a chance to open and stop taking any notice what people put in this forum the owners will let everyone know what they will be opening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shame that some have to be negative and think they have a right to voice their opinion. I would have thought that a constructive opinion would always be welcome, in so much as to suggest methods on how they can secure the opening they obviously are aiming for and one that has undoubtedly cost a great deal so far!

If you can’t be supportive of this club, then save yourself the time of tapping away and find another way of amusing yourself. Keyboard warriors are all the same, narcissistic, vile creatures and a complete waste of air!

I hope the club can resolve the issues they face and open as soon as they can. I’m

sure it will be as delightful a venue as the previous club. With small minded neighbors nowhere to be seen, the club may stand a chance this time.

I can only suggest that the few who complain and criticize, should naff off and leave us to enjoy it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said

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By *enithWoman
over a year ago

closer than you think

Do we even know if it's a new company? Or is it the existing company opening a new club? "

A quick search and I can see that the business known as Kestrel Hydro is dissolved and the new club is branded as Heathrow Kestrel and this company was formed one month ago

I’m not sure if the new company can use the database of the old company, someone may be able to advise

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shame that some have to be negative and think they have a right to voice their opinion. I would have thought that a constructive opinion would always be welcome, in so much as to suggest methods on how they can secure the opening they obviously are aiming for and one that has undoubtedly cost a great deal so far!

I hope the club can resolve the issues they face and open as soon as they can. I’m

sure it will be as delightful a venue as the previous club. With small minded neighbors nowhere to be seen, the club may stand a chance this time.

I can only suggest that the few who complain and criticize, should naff off and leave us to enjoy it!

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

"Ok I’m back briefly.

Anyone fancy telling me who owns the database? You all signed it so should know.....

So unless you are aware of the actual owner of the database how can you know we breach?....

Trading names of companies don’t own databases. "

In terms of usefulness, I’ve seen better performances from chocolate fireguards

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By *izusMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

I don’t give a xxxx about the politics I cannot wait to go and support the new club and meet old friends

HURRY UP AND LETS PLAY

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

"Ok I’m back briefly.

Anyone fancy telling me who owns the database? You all signed it so should know.....

So unless you are aware of the actual owner of the database how can you know we breach?....

Trading names of companies don’t own databases. "

Do we even know if it's a new company? Or is it the existing company opening a new club?

A quick search and I can see that the business known as Kestrel Hydro is dissolved and the new club is branded as Heathrow Kestrel and this company was formed one month ago

I’m not sure if the new company can use the database of the old company, someone may be able to advise "

And I’m back for a while...

There are two more - one older company operated for Abfab membership was not dissolved at the same time as kestrel and had several changes of directors earlier this year; plus a new company incorporated specific to the new building that was incorporated earlier this month.

I’m not sure the OP wanted people to go into the legal ownership of the club but she said trading names don’t own databases. Well legal companies do so with saying it’s a new club and needs new membership these will be who people believe the emails are from but they didn’t sign up with them.

Skinny bird we all want kestrels/Abfab 2.0 to work but people are raising a genuine concern. Please reach out to people willing to help like poly3.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Ok I’m back briefly.

Anyone fancy telling me who owns the database? You all signed it so should know.....

So unless you are aware of the actual owner of the database how can you know we breach?....

Trading names of companies don’t own databases.

Do we even know if it's a new company? Or is it the existing company opening a new club?

A quick search and I can see that the business known as Kestrel Hydro is dissolved and the new club is branded as Heathrow Kestrel and this company was formed one month ago

I’m not sure if the new company can use the database of the old company, someone may be able to advise

And I’m back for a while...

Skinny bird we all want kestrels/Abfab 2.0 to work but people are raising a genuine concern. Please reach out to people willing to help like poly3. "

Hoping this gets resolved soon.

The relevence of the law on GDPR does not concern which legal entity owns data. What the law says is that data should be held for the original purpose and only as long as that purpose is valid. If the entity ceased trading without an obvious new outlet (as was the case at the time), then the personal data should have been destroyed. There is no justification under GDPR for holding data just in case it may be needed later.

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By *outhEastPaulMan
over a year ago

Thames Ditton surrey

If I read the majority of the comments here properly it seems to me people expressing more their concern over the Club running into another problem rather than the fact they may be on the database themselves - I still get emails so I know that would be from the old list - I believe most people are really keen to see a similar local club reopen with people who know what members want. So I hope the club administrators do at least check out this point carefully and if they want take some of the advice people apparently qualified in this area have offered. Maybe It’s possible that an email can be sent to the database confirming a change of name if there actually is include the GDPR policy and giving people the option to agree and or Opt out of future communications- However although I’ve had a little involvement in this I’m no expert and there appear to be people here who are.

In Conclusion All the very best for the new adventure and I look forward to visiting some time in the future

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

Or we could look at it all on face value.....assume they know what they are doing and have all bases covered and that may be why they dont have the need to ask for help.

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By *eedsortingMan
over a year ago

Radley

"Does anyone know what they are doing? Worrying "

I've no idea what I'm doing..

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By *eedsortingMan
over a year ago

Radley

Bottom line (pun sort of intended

) here is that the majority of people on this and the related threads are really behind the owners and do appreciate the efforts being made to create a new club. We all loved the old club and have very fond memories. We were all sad when it had to shut and, as has been mentioned a few times, we all hope that the new venture is a massive success and doesn't fall prey to any challenges that could arise from any admin oversight. Most of the messages are supportive and some have offered help - well done chaps. There will always be negative people around. Best thing I have found is to just ignore the ****ers.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Yes, personally speaking i don't mind that I remain on a mailing list. I've no issues with the owners of the new Kestrels Heathrow retaining my email address.

The hope is that the organisation is dotting all i's and crossing all t's regarding the conduct of the business. The last thing anyone wants is further legal battles for the club. Like almost everyone here I want it to succeed.

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

Having worked in mergers and acquisitions it is entirely possible and normal to transfer data assets from vendor to acquirer.

However the ICO must be informed, the acquiring data controller must register and satisfy the ICO that it has complied with all relevant regulations and must be granted data controller status in its own right.

And data subjects must be informed of the transfer of data and the change in data controller.

If the other points have been covered the it appears to be the latter point that has not.

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

"The old mailing list is not used by the new company. The old mailing list is used by the old company, so no breach."

How can that be so when the old company has been dissolved so cannot operate? A dissolved company can't *do* anything because it doesn't exist.

Surely what you mean is the new company acquired all the assets of the old company before it ceased trading? And that all the subsequent comms are from the new company using the acquired IP of the old company before it was dissolved?

"Data from the application is stored in a third party cloud that is GDRP compliant. Your data is kept as per the GDP regulations on membership data. Only accessible by our staff when needed and released to the authorities when asked. "

I'm afraid to anyone knowledgeable about GDPR and M&A this raises more concerns than answers.

Novating the contract for the cloud data storage from an old company to a new company does nothing for the transfer of data controller registration for the data stored on that storage.

New company staff cannot legally access old company data unless the GDPR data controller registration for that data is transferred from the old company to the new, the ICO notified and the data subject notified.

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By *usty and LustyCouple
over a year ago

Fleet

I think the initial question was valid,it's got blown out of proportion, a decent club is needed around the Heathrow area, I don't mind my details being used for emails, the owners seem to be trying really hard to have a successful relaunch, and it's not a cheap project, lessons will be learned along the way ( mistakes were made at Stanwell Moor but hindsight is an amazing thing,) but I think everyone here is behind a successful relaunch.

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

Quite... I think a lot of people would love a club and for it to succeed.

But given that legal compliance was such an issue for the old club I think people just don't want it becoming an issue for the new one. Especially as the kind of people who made it into a problem for the old club might be liable to exploit any chink in the armour of the new.

It is in everyone's best interests to make sure all the compliance ducks are in a row.

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By *he RingmasterMan
over a year ago

Canford Cliffs

"Does anyone know what they are doing? Worrying "

This sounds like a Trump tweet.

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By *ockandkeyCouple
over a year ago

Aylesbury

Website updated

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By *arco987Man
over a year ago

London (West) / Windsor

"Quite... I think a lot of people would love a club and for it to succeed.

It is in everyone's best interests to make sure all the compliance ducks are in a row. "

Well said, it is in everyone best interests to make sure this is done right and kept right. There can be no falling foul of anything. This will be needed for the new permission and relocation as part of Heathrow Expansion Programme.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quite... I think a lot of people would love a club and for it to succeed.

It is in everyone's best interests to make sure all the compliance ducks are in a row.

Can’t wait for it to finally open!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also are looking forward to the opening of this club. Despite the name, we aren’t expecting the same club and are pleased of the location too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We also are looking forward to the opening of this club. Despite the name, we aren’t expecting the same club and are pleased of the location too."

Really good location

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over a year ago

"We also are looking forward to the opening of this club. Despite the name, we aren’t expecting the same club and are pleased of the location too.

Really good location "

And really good facilities.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Proof of the pudding......

Cannot wait to judge

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