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"Hi guys Carrie here I totally get your concerns and fustrations from my point of view I totally understand I don’t think I will be holding anymore events for a little while I’m gutted as I enjoyed hosting them very much I love bringing people together but when I hear people have been disappointed it isn’t worth doing anymore because that is what the whole night was about for me so believe me when I say I’m gutted x" A different club maybe needed xx | |||
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"Hi guys Carrie here I totally get your concerns and fustrations from my point of view I totally understand I don’t think I will be holding anymore events for a little while I’m gutted as I enjoyed hosting them very much I love bringing people together but when I hear people have been disappointed it isn’t worth doing anymore because that is what the whole night was about for me so believe me when I say I’m gutted x" Hi Carrie I and everyone else would happily say that from your end you did a great job! My word fab needs people like you it was well organised and you could feel the passion you have for it. Sadly on this occasion you were let down significantly by a club happy to take the money but not provide the quality. The place is shabby, neglected and the non existent security is tbh distinctly worrying!! Dress codes were flaunted including the owner, one man even rocked in with his Football shirt and trainers ! It was tragic that your efforts were tarnished by the club not holding up their end. We have been to Pandora’s on a couple of occasions now and let’s be fair on your average night it’s never busy so when events like this are offered to them you think they would break their backs to make them a success. As a club in its current state it’s not going to survive and if there isn’t a major incident there in the next 12 months we would be highly shocked.
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"Sorry that hear it wasn’t up to standard. Last time I was there the winch in the dungeon collapsed when I suspended my sub with rope from it. Luckily she wasn’t hurt as her arms were free to protect her head but they never even apologised. I’d love to know when (and even if) it’s been serviced. I won’t be using it again. "  Not surprised Sadly! | |||
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"Sorry that hear it wasn’t up to standard. Last time I was there the winch in the dungeon collapsed when I suspended my sub with rope from it. Luckily she wasn’t hurt as her arms were free to protect her head but they never even apologised. I’d love to know when (and even if) it’s been serviced. I won’t be using it again. " I very much doubt we’ll be going again, the carpet is lethal Miss. As good as the equipment is in the dungeon minus the winch, it’s just not up to standard x | |||
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"Sorry that hear it wasn’t up to standard. Last time I was there the winch in the dungeon collapsed when I suspended my sub with rope from it. Luckily she wasn’t hurt as her arms were free to protect her head but they never even apologised. I’d love to know when (and even if) it’s been serviced. I won’t be using it again. I very much doubt we’ll be going again, the carpet is lethal Miss. As good as the equipment is in the dungeon minus the winch, it’s just not up to standard x" Such a shame with the rest of the dungeon being such high quality. So looks like your arse is mine at quest next x  | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x" I think you need to re-read the thread. People aren’t complaining about the hosts they are complaining about the club. I think everyone is in agreement that Carrie did a fantastic job but was let down by the poor services at the club. | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x I think you need to re-read the thread. People aren’t complaining about the hosts they are complaining about the club. I think everyone is in agreement that Carrie did a fantastic job but was let down by the poor services at the club. "Perhaps they are so narcissistic they couldn’t find time to read the whole thread   | |||
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Thread 1-3 stated couples were £20 entry yet thread 4 stated £25 so was charged the additional £5 on entry.... 
Charged £15 yes £15 for 5 cans of Pepsi max!!
Also tried getting charged an extra £5 from our change from the bar tab no matter how d*unk I am I know my maths on money
It was hot as hell with minimal air con
No guest list, we mentioned we were on the guest list to get told were not bothering with that...
Beds smelling of stale piss....
Ppl waking round clothed upstairs and on phones.
Smoking area = bombsite however that is on the list to be improved.
Lack of security...
Bottom step not same size as rest causing a trip hazard.
However we see this as the club owners fault not the hosts however if the club don't make it's guests feel safe and happy they will end up losing the crowds and go back to being dead it's the events like this that bring the people in and ppl ain't going to keep coming back if they don't feel comfortable with the surroundings. | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x" I’ve read the forum threads, people’s comments and the reviews section on here and no one has in anyway criticised Carrie or the event as that was superbly planned and an amazing job nor is anyone nitpicking or finding fault that isn’t warranted but the faults lay entirely with the club. Saturday night we left about 11pm as the place was just far too hot and busy. The guest list wasn’t checked and the number we were given was never asked for just the money so I feel too many people were let in that probably weren’t even on the guest list, despite a dress code people were wearing what they want and using phones all over the club, the bar was inaccessible for most of the night due to lack of staff and people crowding the bar area causing people to collect all their drinks from the bar in one go which we saw result in smashed glass, the pool area is a total hazard just so slippy we saw several people go on it, the carpet is ripped in places and again we saw lots of people trip over it. There were people arriving and then leaving as they couldn’t get a locker to put their bags in. Even if you take away the annoyances such as a lack of lockers, it being too hot, too busy to get to the bar there are still massive health and safety concerns with the floor especially by the pool - I don’t think we will be back now we’ve been a few times since it opened and nothing has improved in the past year. | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x I’ve read the forum threads, people’s comments and the reviews section on here and no one has in anyway criticised Carrie or the event as that was superbly planned and an amazing job nor is anyone nitpicking or finding fault that isn’t warranted but the faults lay entirely with the club. Saturday night we left about 11pm as the place was just far too hot and busy. The guest list wasn’t checked and the number we were given was never asked for just the money so I feel too many people were let in that probably weren’t even on the guest list, despite a dress code people were wearing what they want and using phones all over the club, the bar was inaccessible for most of the night due to lack of staff and people crowding the bar area causing people to collect all their drinks from the bar in one go which we saw result in smashed glass, the pool area is a total hazard just so slippy we saw several people go on it, the carpet is ripped in places and again we saw lots of people trip over it. There were people arriving and then leaving as they couldn’t get a locker to put their bags in. Even if you take away the annoyances such as a lack of lockers, it being too hot, too busy to get to the bar there are still massive health and safety concerns with the floor especially by the pool - I don’t think we will be back now we’ve been a few times since it opened and nothing has improved in the past year." So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple. | |||
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"So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple." What kind of bullshit is this? Like any other swingers club Pandoras is a 'licensed entertainment venue' and therefore things like safety of it's customers is something that is to be highly considered. There are several complaints with regards to this aspect alone, most of which are pretty valid. How they choose conduct business is an excellent entirely different issue. | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x I’ve read the forum threads, people’s comments and the reviews section on here and no one has in anyway criticised Carrie or the event as that was superbly planned and an amazing job nor is anyone nitpicking or finding fault that isn’t warranted but the faults lay entirely with the club. Saturday night we left about 11pm as the place was just far too hot and busy. The guest list wasn’t checked and the number we were given was never asked for just the money so I feel too many people were let in that probably weren’t even on the guest list, despite a dress code people were wearing what they want and using phones all over the club, the bar was inaccessible for most of the night due to lack of staff and people crowding the bar area causing people to collect all their drinks from the bar in one go which we saw result in smashed glass, the pool area is a total hazard just so slippy we saw several people go on it, the carpet is ripped in places and again we saw lots of people trip over it. There were people arriving and then leaving as they couldn’t get a locker to put their bags in. Even if you take away the annoyances such as a lack of lockers, it being too hot, too busy to get to the bar there are still massive health and safety concerns with the floor especially by the pool - I don’t think we will be back now we’ve been a few times since it opened and nothing has improved in the past year. So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple." Why stick up for them when they’re in the wrong? They’re happy enough to take our money when we walk in so they should take the criticiam when they fail just like any other business - this site is crucial in acting like a trip advisor for clubs given it’s the nearest thing there is to a club review site. I never said they were anything like a five star hotel and it certainly doesn’t act anything like it is one either. There’s no agenda at all here other than speaking the truth, if their customers aren’t important or valued (and I’m sure the club will thank you for pointing this out) then the customers will vote with their feet one by one but there’s a thread here asking for people’s opinions on the night and that was ours, I’m not going to lie and say it was great because it wasn’t and that was entirely down to the lack of effort by the club. | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x I’ve read the forum threads, people’s comments and the reviews section on here and no one has in anyway criticised Carrie or the event as that was superbly planned and an amazing job nor is anyone nitpicking or finding fault that isn’t warranted but the faults lay entirely with the club. Saturday night we left about 11pm as the place was just far too hot and busy. The guest list wasn’t checked and the number we were given was never asked for just the money so I feel too many people were let in that probably weren’t even on the guest list, despite a dress code people were wearing what they want and using phones all over the club, the bar was inaccessible for most of the night due to lack of staff and people crowding the bar area causing people to collect all their drinks from the bar in one go which we saw result in smashed glass, the pool area is a total hazard just so slippy we saw several people go on it, the carpet is ripped in places and again we saw lots of people trip over it. There were people arriving and then leaving as they couldn’t get a locker to put their bags in. Even if you take away the annoyances such as a lack of lockers, it being too hot, too busy to get to the bar there are still massive health and safety concerns with the floor especially by the pool - I don’t think we will be back now we’ve been a few times since it opened and nothing has improved in the past year. So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple. Why stick up for them when they’re in the wrong? They’re happy enough to take our money when we walk in so they should take the criticiam when they fail just like any other business - this site is crucial in acting like a trip advisor for clubs given it’s the nearest thing there is to a club review site. I never said they were anything like a five star hotel and it certainly doesn’t act anything like it is one either. There’s no agenda at all here other than speaking the truth, if their customers aren’t important or valued (and I’m sure the club will thank you for pointing this out) then the customers will vote with their feet one by one but there’s a thread here asking for people’s opinions on the night and that was ours, I’m not going to lie and say it was great because it wasn’t and that was entirely down to the lack of effort by the club. " Nah, You're just a self important moaner and your opinion is utterly irrelevant | |||
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" So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple." The fact is as a venue the club do owe you a safe place which is obviously not happening from the points from several members... People put posts like this so hopefully the club owners will see the points and hopefully see where the problems lay and sort them.. If everybody just didn't go that would make the business fail thus no cash or profit... a club survives on its members and reputation so the fact is if people don't feel safe they will go elsewhere and the club will fail and we will loose another club.. through trying to make more money one night they will loose more money over all... It just seems very short sighted and looks greedy from the owners point of view.. Freedom of speech is allowed. | |||
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"All the moaners are from Yorkshire.....haha typical." With it being a Yorkshire club I'm pretty sure min of 80% of attendees are from Yorkshire  | |||
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"Hi everyone I really don’t want people to argue about it amongst themselves I believe Pandoras will look at the messages and take it on bored. My fault in this although the owners and management had the guest list and knew how many people was coming they were my guests that night and I should of made sure Pandoras could handle that I’m gutted that I let people down for that although I did only presume only half of them people were coming as so so many told me they wasn’t attending during that day.... my other events did go well not just at Pandora’s and four other clubs have come to me asking to help me and do ENCHANT at there club which I feel is a honour and I will have a re-think of things although I do get on very very well with Pandoras staff and manger and owner and hope they do take all your comments on board as at the end of the day it’s all about making people happy it’s about getting a good reputation and about meeting fantastic people on the scene it’s a big club with so so much potential and such a shame it’s come to this but I understand all of them a huge thankyou for all your support nice messages I appriciate it. Because it is so disheartening when it was your evening xxxx thankyou " It was a great night and you organise one hell of a good party and nobody was blaming you, we’d be more than happy to attend your events but are just hoping Pandora’s owners understand and learn as if not everyone may miss out. We hope you do decide to come back and host again tho xx | |||
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"Hi everyone I really don’t want people to argue about it amongst themselves I believe Pandoras will look at the messages and take it on bored. My fault in this although the owners and management had the guest list and knew how many people was coming they were my guests that night and I should of made sure Pandoras could handle that I’m gutted that I let people down for that although I did only presume only half of them people were coming as so so many told me they wasn’t attending during that day.... my other events did go well not just at Pandora’s and four other clubs have come to me asking to help me and do ENCHANT at there club which I feel is a honour and I will have a re-think of things although I do get on very very well with Pandoras staff and manger and owner and hope they do take all your comments on board as at the end of the day it’s all about making people happy it’s about getting a good reputation and about meeting fantastic people on the scene it’s a big club with so so much potential and such a shame it’s come to this but I understand all of them a huge thankyou for all your support nice messages I appriciate it. Because it is so disheartening when it was your evening xxxx thankyou " I really do hope that they do listen, but I won’t hold my breath. We have tried to talk to them before about issues and so have many people that we have spoken too and they seem stuck in there ways. They clearly think it works for them and we wish them luck. Doubt that it will be around for long though. Carrie - again to reiterate, you did a fab job and this is no way a dig at you. Happy Fabbing | |||
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"I think all the people moaning, nit-picking and finding fault should try hosting their own night and then we'll see how much you know about throwing a swinging party. Carrie, we love you....don't let these self-important, entitled narcissists put you off doing something you love and are clearly brilliant at....we had an awesome night x I’ve read the forum threads, people’s comments and the reviews section on here and no one has in anyway criticised Carrie or the event as that was superbly planned and an amazing job nor is anyone nitpicking or finding fault that isn’t warranted but the faults lay entirely with the club. Saturday night we left about 11pm as the place was just far too hot and busy. The guest list wasn’t checked and the number we were given was never asked for just the money so I feel too many people were let in that probably weren’t even on the guest list, despite a dress code people were wearing what they want and using phones all over the club, the bar was inaccessible for most of the night due to lack of staff and people crowding the bar area causing people to collect all their drinks from the bar in one go which we saw result in smashed glass, the pool area is a total hazard just so slippy we saw several people go on it, the carpet is ripped in places and again we saw lots of people trip over it. There were people arriving and then leaving as they couldn’t get a locker to put their bags in. Even if you take away the annoyances such as a lack of lockers, it being too hot, too busy to get to the bar there are still massive health and safety concerns with the floor especially by the pool - I don’t think we will be back now we’ve been a few times since it opened and nothing has improved in the past year. So why moan? You act like these clubs owe you something. They aren't 5 star hotels and you're not an important, valued customer. Clubs are businesses looking to make as much cash as possible whilst outlaying as little as possible.... Quite why people insist on pushing their negative, miserable, whinging agenda is beyond me....it's not trip advisor. If you don't like it, don't go back - it really is that simple. Why stick up for them when they’re in the wrong? They’re happy enough to take our money when we walk in so they should take the criticiam when they fail just like any other business - this site is crucial in acting like a trip advisor for clubs given it’s the nearest thing there is to a club review site. I never said they were anything like a five star hotel and it certainly doesn’t act anything like it is one either. There’s no agenda at all here other than speaking the truth, if their customers aren’t important or valued (and I’m sure the club will thank you for pointing this out) then the customers will vote with their feet one by one but there’s a thread here asking for people’s opinions on the night and that was ours, I’m not going to lie and say it was great because it wasn’t and that was entirely down to the lack of effort by the club. Nah, You're just a self important moaner and your opinion is utterly irrelevant" And you’re being ridiculously arrogant imo - undermining and ridiculing anyone who dares to suggest that the event/club was less than perfect! Other opinions are every bit as relevant as your own! Perhaps you could try to accept that? | |||
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"Firstly, before I get criticism this rant isn’t at the event organisers as It’s not just the last Enchant. I have attended a number of events here over the year and it’s always had similar issues. Granted this event was exceptionally large in terms of numbers. Where the club let us all down was not supporting the event in the right way. Carrie and the rest of the organisers did a great job. Sorting the activities for the night and more importantly getting a buzz about it. - Obviously. look how many of us turned up. But this has to be supported by the venue. The club should have been following the hype - following the lists and helping Carrie ensure the event was a success and a place other events want to be held. Without this thought it simply compounded the problem that the club just wasn’t geared up for the event pure and simple. It has faced similar feedback on a number of events and chosen to ignore it. I had my first swinging experience there so I do hold it with some reverence... I have attended on quiet nights there too and while it was a simpler task to manage it still has some of the same issues that don’t fill you with confidence. Most importantly it needs rules (for our safety and privacy) to be enforced. This is just fundamental to our lifestyle. Without it we are at risk. Dressed upstairs and mobile phones is not acceptable. Not enforcing guest lists for events the organisers spent careful time ensuring the right mix is unacceptable, unsafe and downright unfair to those on the list. Maintaining and cleaning the club - while we all know we should clean up after ourselves the simple fact was the club wasn’t clean before the event started! It was just not to an acceptable level. Especially H&S around the flooring but this shouldn’t need pointing out. It’s fundamental hygiene and safety. If the maintenance regime was in place, this would help them with the lockers. They could be grouped into large medium and small, couples and singles, ladies and gents and numbered and easy to use, as opposed to randomly in all respects! I can speak with authority on this as I design bars and brand experiences for a living. From everything including interior design and staffing and where a number of the problems could be easily addressed, it has to be something that the management care about. And after this amount of time without that attention being given, i’m not convinced they do. Let’s be honest, it could be a great club with some thought and resources deployed in the right places and most importantly the basic swinging etiquette enforced. Unfortunately, for me I cannot see this being a club I will want to go to in the future unless these issues are significantly improved and addressed. And If i were an event organiser I would be very wary of selecting this as a venue. C" Well said | |||
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"Our criticism isn’t a witch hunt, just our own personal opinion. But it does seem strange that all the people bashing ONLY the club and laying all the blame there seem to know the organiser personally (by name at least). As I said in my previous post, we didn’t even get welcomed by the organiser/s and wouldn’t know who they were. This is where I think the problems were. You can’t organise something and then step back on the night and expect everyone else to take over. We have had a few friends over the years start up swingers clubs and all have told us it’s a nightmare! You don’t get to enjoy the nights as you are working constantly ensuring the guests are having a good time. This, in my opinion, is what was wrong here - and easily fixed if another night went ahead. The organiser needs to have a team of people that are there to run the event, not to socialise and partake. That is the point of being an organiser and not a guest. Having a couple of the team upstairs would have stopped the problem with people being dressed, having people downstairs would have helped people felt welcomed and help with introductions for newbies etc, and having someone in reception checking off the guest list would have kept the numbers right and made newcomers to your event feel welcomed. We saw none of this. We did see the club staff running round like headless chickens and an understaffed bar, again, was this discussed beforehand? Don’t get me wrong, we enjoyed the night on the whole and it was the first time we had seen this club packed, which given its size, it needed! It would be a shame to stop them and not learn from the mistakes for another time. " We refer to the host by her name because it’s on her profile and she signs the bottoms of her messages with it. We don’t know her personally and again the comments raised are purely our personal opinion on the evening. .
We have been on the club scene for many years and have experienced many parties of different sizes in different clubs and have hosted ourselves. Different issues become obvious to different people, let’s hope the venue and organisers take all comments positive and negitive as constructive. | |||
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