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"Ohhhh. Can’t say no. Yes, that’s a bit grim x" I don't KNOW that they can't say no!! I'm just guessing...I dunno what they're being paid for...!! | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!!" So basically the club becomes a brothel ?? Girls that aren’t allowed to say no ? Don’t think any amount of money is good money under those circumstances . Just smacks of exploitation of both women and men who can’t get a shag unless they pay !! | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. " No still means no. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no." If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. " 
Went to another club where the majority- if not all- of women were sex workers. There were men queueing at the door waiting their turn for a fuck. The look on the poor girl's eyes when she looked at me... We had no idea there would be sex workers there. It was advertised as a swinger event. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. " What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. " There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. " | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!!" As always, I do have an opinion on this but I'm going to check some facts before I make a contribution to this thread. Controversial for an Internet discussion, I know! The only thing I'll say is that (I believe) there is more to this thread than meets the eye...  | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. " i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. | |||
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"Agreed but imagine how pissy the guys get when they pay premium for these clubs and get told no. Some get mardy enough in a club when they've paid and get nothing. " Then they should go to a brothel or arrange a one on one meet with a prostitute. Sex agree up front
I get a bit concerned when anyone thinks they are guaranteed sex in a swinging club. It’s not an attitude that’s going to end well... | |||
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"Agreed but imagine how pissy the guys get when they pay premium for these clubs and get told no. Some get mardy enough in a club when they've paid and get nothing. Then they should go to a brothel or arrange a one on one meet with a prostitute. Sex agree up front
I get a bit concerned when anyone thinks they are guaranteed sex in a swinging club. It’s not an attitude that’s going to end well..."You are never guaranteed sex in a proper swinging club. | |||
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"Agreed but imagine how pissy the guys get when they pay premium for these clubs and get told no. Some get mardy enough in a club when they've paid and get nothing. Then they should go to a brothel or arrange a one on one meet with a prostitute. Sex agree up front
I get a bit concerned when anyone thinks they are guaranteed sex in a swinging club. It’s not an attitude that’s going to end well...
You are never guaranteed sex in a proper swinging club."I get frustrated going to clubs and getting no attention, but i don’t get Mardy or pissy or start jumping on cocks. I simply flounce off  | |||
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"Doesn’t sound right to us. Would not want to find out that somebody we met at a club was being paid to be there. Much less unknowingly play with a girl that’s willing to do it for just £150 an hour. Seems a bit dangerous and wrong on a lot of levels. If we wanted to pay for sex we would, but that’s not what we do, and we sure as shit would be paying a lot more than that if we ever did go down that route. " The op said £150 for three hours. So £50 an hour ladies | |||
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"Doesn’t sound right to us. Would not want to find out that somebody we met at a club was being paid to be there. Much less unknowingly play with a girl that’s willing to do it for just £150 an hour. Seems a bit dangerous and wrong on a lot of levels. If we wanted to pay for sex we would, but that’s not what we do, and we sure as shit would be paying a lot more than that if we ever did go down that route. The op said £150 for three hours. So £50 an hour ladies "Ah, right you are, that’s a bit scary isn’t it. Well good luck to them if they’re comfortable with that, but as far as an establishment goes I’d say they’re getting away from swinging and more into group brothel type territory | |||
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"Doesn’t sound right to us. Would not want to find out that somebody we met at a club was being paid to be there. Much less unknowingly play with a girl that’s willing to do it for just £150 an hour. Seems a bit dangerous and wrong on a lot of levels. If we wanted to pay for sex we would, but that’s not what we do, and we sure as shit would be paying a lot more than that if we ever did go down that route. The op said £150 for three hours. So £50 an hour ladies
Ah, right you are, that’s a bit scary isn’t it.
Well good luck to them if they’re comfortable with that, but as far as an establishment goes I’d say they’re getting away from swinging and more into group brothel type territory "It depends what the ladies are being paid for. If it’s full sex with as many men as possible, I’d worry about the ladies tbh. £50 an hour ladies is in the realms of street girls with drug problems. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. " I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc"  I think some people do | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc I think some people do "Haha yep that's legit what I do  | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc" A Genuine Lifestyle Swinger's diary would look like this: Monday Swinging Tuesday Swinging Wednesday Swinging etc.... | |||
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"Definition: a swinger is a person who gets involved in group sex, or the swapping of sexual partners. Therefore swinging is a lifestyle choice, for married couples. Maybe not so If your a single male after single females, or the other way around." You can be a swinger and single. | |||
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"I think you’ve misinterpreted the post!" It’s gone a bit wayward. So back to hookers in swing clubs then. What could possibly go wrong  | |||
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"I think you’ve misinterpreted the post!" You said that singles can't be swingers. Not sure how I could have misinterpreted that.  | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc" Ethical non-monogamy is a lifestyle choice and a minority on at that. It's different to simply taking part in a gangbang / orgy. | |||
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"It’s worrying “they can’t say no” the whole idea of a swinging community is adults consenting. I find it very very worrying that the club is doing this..." Guess that’s the difference between a sex club and a swingers club? Total anathema if you ask me. What I live about swinging is chatting and flirting with others | |||
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"Definition: a swinger is a person who gets involved in group sex, or the swapping of sexual partners. Therefore swinging is a lifestyle choice, for married couples. Maybe not so If your a single male after single females, or the other way around. You can be a swinger and single." Yes you can if you are single and choose to swing but if you are single and only meet other single people, that's not swinging which is my interpretation of what they were saying. As for sex club Vs swinging club...big difference. No guarantee of sex at any event and this totally contradicts swinging and encourages an unhealthy attitude to the lifestyle. | |||
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"I imagine that clubs need to keep the single men attendance up, as they pay the bulk of the entrance fees. Now imagine that the couples and women who attend aren't interested in the single men so much;preferring the single women, couples or to socialise only. The single men stop coming or risk becoming one of the wanking dead that is talked about on the forums frequently. What do the clubs do? Raise prices for couples and single women, so they don't lose money, or pay a few women to keep the single men happy. " But if they then get a reputation as a semi brothel, everyone expect some single men will desert them. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc" Ours does  | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!!" All co denting adults in the transaction, no problems I see. If the co tract is laid bare and you are made to be fully aware of it and you still sign it, it's all good in my mind. | |||
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"Is this post why so many women have Only meeting at clubs On there profile’s?" No. | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!! All co denting adults in the transaction, no problems I see. If the co tract is laid bare and you are made to be fully aware of it and you still sign it, it's all good in my mind. " So if some single women at a club are paid for by management and others are not, how do you know the difference? Hearing this story has meant that I am no longer comfortable with the thought of going to a club on my own (only with fwb/other friends). Because how do I know that a man isn't going to think they are entitled to something because some women are paid. | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!! All co denting adults in the transaction, no problems I see. If the co tract is laid bare and you are made to be fully aware of it and you still sign it, it's all good in my mind. So if some single women at a club are paid for by management and others are not, how do you know the difference? Hearing this story has meant that I am no longer comfortable with the thought of going to a club on my own (only with fwb/other friends). Because how do I know that a man isn't going to think they are entitled to something because some women are paid." If there are a number of women on their own indiscriminately having sex with everyone, it's very likely they are being paid. | |||
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"Is this post why so many women have Only meeting at clubs On there profile’s?" No, that would be because it's safer and they can still play even if they get let down at the last minute!! | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!! All co denting adults in the transaction, no problems I see. If the co tract is laid bare and you are made to be fully aware of it and you still sign it, it's all good in my mind. So if some single women at a club are paid for by management and others are not, how do you know the difference? Hearing this story has meant that I am no longer comfortable with the thought of going to a club on my own (only with fwb/other friends). Because how do I know that a man isn't going to think they are entitled to something because some women are paid. If there are a number of women on their own indiscriminately having sex with everyone, it's very likely they are being paid. Erm not necessarily!!, No, but, as I say, likely. " Not in 2018. In fact, not for a number of years now... | |||
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"I've heard that a club I was planning on going to regularly pays 'girls' to cater for guys/couples/anyone at some of their events. I have no clue how much they're getting paid and I don't know what they are ACTUALLY being paid for. **Rumours** are that they're paid not to say no after an hour of 'socialising' and they get paid £150 for three hours. It's really put me off but explains why there are always lots of single guys there! It's kind of made me question a lot of things about clubs and events in the swinging community and I thought I was getting pretty un-shockable lol. I know my opinions about the club doing this (NOT the girls themselves) but what are our thoughts on this? Should events where the girls are paid be classed as 'swinging events' - even if they're open to everyone? Should it be made clear that some of the single ladies at the event are being paid for their services? What services is it 'okay' to be paid for? They could just be acting as hostesses, so no playing at all, but just boosting the numbers and creating a good atmosphere. Am intrigued!! All co denting adults in the transaction, no problems I see. If the co tract is laid bare and you are made to be fully aware of it and you still sign it, it's all good in my mind. So if some single women at a club are paid for by management and others are not, how do you know the difference? Hearing this story has meant that I am no longer comfortable with the thought of going to a club on my own (only with fwb/other friends). Because how do I know that a man isn't going to think they are entitled to something because some women are paid. If there are a number of women on their own indiscriminately having sex with everyone, it's very likely they are being paid. Erm not necessarily!!, No, but, as I say, likely. " For the record, anyone seeing me out at a club playing, I am not been paid | |||
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"I imagine that clubs need to keep the single men attendance up, as they pay the bulk of the entrance fees. Now imagine that the couples and women who attend aren't interested in the single men so much;preferring the single women, couples or to socialise only. The single men stop coming or risk becoming one of the wanking dead that is talked about on the forums frequently. What do the clubs do? Raise prices for couples and single women, so they don't lose money, or pay a few women to keep the single men happy. But if they then get a reputation as a semi brothel, everyone expect some single men will desert them. " That's why they have to be careful to not let the cat out of the bag. | |||
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"Is this post why so many women have Only meeting at clubs On there profile’s? No, that would be because it's safer and they can still play even if they get let down at the last minute!!" But we don't know if they are just on here touting for punters to fill the clubs. Club owners don't want to make losses and I suspect some like to make a nice profit. | |||
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"We have been to a club that has paid girls, it is aimed at single guys where they are charged £75/£80 to get in and it's guaranteed. The night we went was for a party held there, but the club didn't put any paid girls on for their normal customers, instead they basically used the guests for the party to service their customers, so wrong, you can imagine how pestered the ladies were by the guys thinking it was guaranteed, but at the end of the day it's our choice who we play with so no means no " But not nice at all, and difficult when you're going as a single lady  | |||
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"Based on the replies and reasoning I think how can we as a community of swingers give out about a problem that we have essentially created. Single guy's are the majority but as a result are over charged making them the main profit margin at any event that charges different rates then you have the status placement of unicorns, straight females and couples regarded as of more importance when it comes to invites and attendance thus the single guy's odds of play lower and now clubs paying sex workers to maintain interest and attendance. I don't think this is the correct solution merely one that will widen the divide." Bingo! It's like that old saying "don't take sweets from strangers". But what child isn't tempted by free sweeties?! A phrase that's been attached to the advent of "free stuff" is 'If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold'. I think that applies to swinging clubs. I honestly don't see why everyone can't just pay the same entry fee like any other place, public or private. I don't believe that more women attend because the price for them is lower and I don't believe that men are put off by the higher cost of entry. In fact, I would guess that the opposite is true. I would say that a place like The Townhouse comes closest to the perfect business model. They focus more on the quality of the behaviour of their clientele and take steps to make sure that EVERYONE understands what is expected of them. Also, everyone basically pays the same to get in apart from a couple of the busier nights where it's about £10 extra for single guys. No place is perfect, I guess!
I think trying to limit single guys by charging more or encouraging single ladies by charging little or nothing is lazy business. Personally I'd rather go somewhere that vetted to members so if, for example, a random woman wanted a 10 man gangbang, they could drag a bunch of guys off to a room and be reasonably sure they were all well behaved. Or not!
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc A Genuine Lifestyle Swinger's diary would look like this: Monday Swinging Tuesday Swinging Wednesday Swinging etc...." Yes. Do you see my point? | |||
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"Sooo is this why some ( not all) guys are pushy with single woman? If other girls are paid to be there how does a guy know who is a swinger and who is a worker? And does this equate to guys pestering all woman because they think they have some kind of right to fuck anyone female? Worrying From my experience the paid women are usually pretty obvious and guys who want an easy fuck concentrate on them. " I would think this would be correct. I escorted for a while, just as a fetish kind of thing, but it was interesting to see the difference between guys on here I swung with for free and guys that I met and paid me for sex. There were some startling differences. | |||
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"I would say that most reputable clubs wouldn't risk their licence to do this. Clubs often pay hosts or offer them incentives like free entries/drinks to be there on the night to welcome people in/show them around etc...but play would never be expected and free will is very much facilitated!! I do know one club who openly admit to bringing in paid ladies to do more than host, but they are not exactly quiet about it and as far as I knew, most people who went there, knew that paid workers were present. In my very humble opinion, I have nothing against paid sex workers as long as they choose to do it and are not coerced. However, a club who brings in sex workers to 'service' their guests cannot profess to be a swingers club at all. xxx" Totally agree x | |||
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"So very worrying for the genuine hosts out there and explains why some think we are there in some other capacity. We host BI events at a club and also greet the new guests and give show rounds on a Saturday night and more than once have had to explain to an individual that this is the extent of our duties. Yes we play, but only when our shift is over and definitely only with people we wish to and it is categorically NOT part of our hosting duties and not paid for. Our play is out time! Thankfully we host at a respected, well known and long established venue, where the owners would never dream of employing such horrible methods to attract guests. " I totally agree as ive been hosting a couple of events and it's not swinging if ur paid to do it,I would never dream of it and I know the club I go would never consider it either x | |||
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"Sooo is this why some ( not all) guys are pushy with single woman? If other girls are paid to be there how does a guy know who is a swinger and who is a worker? And does this equate to guys pestering all woman because they think they have some kind of right to fuck anyone female? Worrying From my experience the paid women are usually pretty obvious and guys who want an easy fuck concentrate on them. I would think this would be correct. I escorted for a while, just as a fetish kind of thing, but it was interesting to see the difference between guys on here I swung with for free and guys that I met and paid me for sex. There were some startling differences. " Can I ask what kind of differences? Obviously I’m going to think lacking in the looks and social skills department but would it more how they treated you? I read an interview with an escort before who said when guys pay for it they see it as renting your body to do with as they please. If you don’t perform as they expect it can get hairy. Is this true? On one hand I’m thinking having paid girls there would be a good idea to keep the guys happy but would they not expect the same from everyone there? | |||
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"Sooo is this why some ( not all) guys are pushy with single woman? If other girls are paid to be there how does a guy know who is a swinger and who is a worker? And does this equate to guys pestering all woman because they think they have some kind of right to fuck anyone female? Worrying From my experience the paid women are usually pretty obvious and guys who want an easy fuck concentrate on them. I would think this would be correct. I escorted for a while, just as a fetish kind of thing, but it was interesting to see the difference between guys on here I swung with for free and guys that I met and paid me for sex. There were some startling differences. Can I ask what kind of differences? Obviously I’m going to think lacking in the looks and social skills department but would it more how they treated you? I read an interview with an escort before who said when guys pay for it they see it as renting your body to do with as they please. If you don’t perform as they expect it can get hairy. Is this true? On one hand I’m thinking having paid girls there would be a good idea to keep the guys happy but would they not expect the same from everyone there?" That made me giggle a bit. I suppose to be fair I didn’t know what to expect either. I escorted on my own with my partner of the time, who was there for my safety only. So what kind of men did I get. All sorts, from a few factory workers, supermarket workers, IT manager, retired solicitor, ex Police Detective turned Uni Lecturer, magician - he was funny, showed me tricks! A RAF policeman, medical salesman and company MD, the last three all around 30-40s and all hot as hell, as in good looking, great bodies and on the whole very eligible men. When the RAF policeman turned up first time in his uniform I thought I’d died and gone to heaven
All the guys were extremely polite and mostly I enjoyed their company. A couple of them I enjoyed the sex a lot, otherwise it was still very enjoyable. One guy chose me online with his wife who had a long term illness. I also had one couple who were late 50’s and ex swingers who missed their fun but found it hard to meet.
I spoke to all of them about Fab and explained my partner and I were both bi swingers. Only one guy expressed an interest in being bi curious, so that is a major difference to Fab, in my ten plus years experience.
The other fundamental difference was arranging bookings. The site I used had a system where people could book a time with you. Usually a booking was done in 2-3 messages max. And the guys turned up. Yes all bar one guy on one occasion all turned up. And they were punctual and they never tried to overstay their agreed time.
On balance a couple of older guys needed to wear deodorant, so I sorted that by increasing my price. And one guy I did not like at all, so refused further bookings with him. But on the whole my experience was positive.
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All the guys were extremely polite and mostly I enjoyed their company. A couple of them I enjoyed the sex a lot, otherwise it was still very enjoyable. One guy chose me online with his wife who had a long term illness. I also had one couple who were late 50’s and ex swingers who missed their fun but found it hard to meet.
I spoke to all of them about Fab and explained my partner and I were both bi swingers. Only one guy expressed an interest in being bi curious, so that is a major difference to Fab, in my ten plus years experience.
The other fundamental difference was arranging bookings. The site I used had a system where people could book a time with you. Usually a booking was done in 2-3 messages max. And the guys turned up. Yes all bar one guy on one occasion all turned up. And they were punctual and they never tried to overstay their agreed time.
On balance a couple of older guys needed to wear deodorant, so I sorted that by increasing my price. And one guy I did not like at all, so refused further bookings with him. But on the whole my experience was positive.
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"Utter disgrace if they aren't allowed to say no, worse than a brothel or going to a prostitute, at least they have choices in most cases. Avoid OP. " Anyone who employs a sex worker in a club with a view to making money from their activities is almost certainly committing the offence of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. In addition, they could not force anyone to have sex against their will, whatever the prior arrangement. That would be r ape. | |||
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"Utter disgrace if they aren't allowed to say no, worse than a brothel or going to a prostitute, at least they have choices in most cases. Avoid OP. Anyone who employs a sex worker in a club with a view to making money from their activities is almost certainly committing the offence of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. In addition, they could not force anyone to have sex against their will, whatever the prior arrangement. That would be r ape. " Well we got their in the end. Thank you for confirming the last paragraph. Some folk on here need a reality check if they truly think guaranteed sex exists. | |||
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"I have attended clubs as a single woman and had some guy's assume that it's a free for all because I am there! That attitude is already out there and bringing in paid sex workers with a do not turn down any offers is only going to reinforce that attitude! In a club setting that can be handled safely but what about when these guy's go on a one on one meet expecting sex and get turned down. " That's precisely why you should always meet socially in a public place first, it s the instashag crew out. | |||
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"Utter disgrace if they aren't allowed to say no, worse than a brothel or going to a prostitute, at least they have choices in most cases. Avoid OP. Anyone who employs a sex worker in a club with a view to making money from their activities is almost certainly committing the offence of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. In addition, they could not force anyone to have sex against their will, whatever the prior arrangement. That would be r ape. " What if that club already has a license to provide sexual entertainment? We already know that there are "massage parlours" and "saunas" that provide sexual services. In fact if a club already has a license then "swinging events" may be viewed as "not as bad" as full on prostitution in the eyes of the authorities. | |||
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"Is this post why so many women have Only meeting at clubs On there profile’s?" t Absolutely not ! I go to Chams and xtasia for the past 5 years ! And I never been paid ever ! I actually pay to get in ! Actually has a shortage of single girls ! I like to meet in the club for security issues! We are not mixing everything up! Thanks very much! | |||
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"Sooo is this why some ( not all) guys are pushy with single woman? If other girls are paid to be there how does a guy know who is a swinger and who is a worker? And does this equate to guys pestering all woman because they think they have some kind of right to fuck anyone female? Worrying From my experience the paid women are usually pretty obvious and guys who want an easy fuck concentrate on them. I would think this would be correct. I escorted for a while, just as a fetish kind of thing, but it was interesting to see the difference between guys on here I swung with for free and guys that I met and paid me for sex. There were some startling differences. Can I ask what kind of differences? Obviously I’m going to think lacking in the looks and social skills department but would it more how they treated you? I read an interview with an escort before who said when guys pay for it they see it as renting your body to do with as they please. If you don’t perform as they expect it can get hairy. Is this true? On one hand I’m thinking having paid girls there would be a good idea to keep the guys happy but would they not expect the same from everyone there? That made me giggle a bit. I suppose to be fair I didn’t know what to expect either. I escorted on my own with my partner of the time, who was there for my safety only. So what kind of men did I get. All sorts, from a few factory workers, supermarket workers, IT manager, retired solicitor, ex Police Detective turned Uni Lecturer, magician - he was funny, showed me tricks! A RAF policeman, medical salesman and company MD, the last three all around 30-40s and all hot as hell, as in good looking, great bodies and on the whole very eligible men. When the RAF policeman turned up first time in his uniform I thought I’d died and gone to heaven
All the guys were extremely polite and mostly I enjoyed their company. A couple of them I enjoyed the sex a lot, otherwise it was still very enjoyable. One guy chose me online with his wife who had a long term illness. I also had one couple who were late 50’s and ex swingers who missed their fun but found it hard to meet.
I spoke to all of them about Fab and explained my partner and I were both bi swingers. Only one guy expressed an interest in being bi curious, so that is a major difference to Fab, in my ten plus years experience.
The other fundamental difference was arranging bookings. The site I used had a system where people could book a time with you. Usually a booking was done in 2-3 messages max. And the guys turned up. Yes all bar one guy on one occasion all turned up. And they were punctual and they never tried to overstay their agreed time.
On balance a couple of older guys needed to wear deodorant, so I sorted that by increasing my price. And one guy I did not like at all, so refused further bookings with him. But on the whole my experience was positive.
So what's the difference between a prostitute and an escort? "Well I’m only going to give you my opinion, which I’ve no doubt others will disagree with. But to answer your question i would think prostitutes are paid for sex or sex acts, whereas escorts can be paid for their time which may include that too, but also might not. A lot of the guys I saw enjoyed the sex or massage or oral or me masturbating them and combination of any of the above; but nearly all of them also liked to lie with me and chat afterwards. They just seemed to enjoy my company / female company. Some guys would still book an hour even though they need they wouldn’t last, but then we chatted and laughed for the other half an hour. Then again, I would assume anyone being paid for sex could be called many names, tart, tom, hooker, whore. Not all of these sex workers have a good time of course and I’m not disputing there are some very sad cases indeed, but I posted because it’s also not necessarily a cold exchange in a grotty environment with someone desperate for the money. That does exist, but there are also ladies like me that do it for fun, in a nice discreet place that’s clean and with people that are clean. | |||
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"Utter disgrace if they aren't allowed to say no, worse than a brothel or going to a prostitute, at least they have choices in most cases. Avoid OP. Anyone who employs a sex worker in a club with a view to making money from their activities is almost certainly committing the offence of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. In addition, they could not force anyone to have sex against their will, whatever the prior arrangement. That would be r ape. Well we got their in the end. Thank you for confirming the last paragraph. Some folk on here need a reality check if they truly think guaranteed sex exists. Surely if these women are employed by the club then what's to stop them quitting their job?" Lol I don’t know. I chose not to mix swinging and escorting. I see them both so differently. And besides, I have a very good career that pays me very well without having to think about the downside of the other kind of work. I’d think it would be a big leap. And not one I’d choose. | |||
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"Utter disgrace if they aren't allowed to say no, worse than a brothel or going to a prostitute, at least they have choices in most cases. Avoid OP. Anyone who employs a sex worker in a club with a view to making money from their activities is almost certainly committing the offence of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. In addition, they could not force anyone to have sex against their will, whatever the prior arrangement. That would be r ape. What if that club already has a license to provide sexual entertainment? We already know that there are "massage parlours" and "saunas" that provide sexual services. In fact if a club already has a license then "swinging events" may be viewed as "not as bad" as full on prostitution in the eyes of the authorities." Those saunas and massage parlours are also illegal. If you organise someone to engage in prostitution and take a cut, it's illegal. | |||
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I’ve had lots of unpaid crap sex.
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I’ve had lots of unpaid crap sex.
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Interesting. Doing it for fun and doing it as a living seem different though. Getting paid to have great sex with hot men I mean who could complain about that?"People that feel it’s their only option I suppose. Which doesn’t describe me, so it’s unfair of me to comment globally. | |||
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"couple of points from the posts. 1)I don't know any club that pays for girls to have sex, most wouldn't risk license and most people in a swingers club quite like sex anyway. 2)Single men pay more because clubs don't want the men outnumbering couples and singles too much. And some clubs and events will cap the amount of single men (I never hear of a cap on single women, with oftem much lower admission) Sex is not guaranteed. Sometimes sex is about being a nice person. " You say this but not all clubs are licensed and they will happily operate this business model (most of us have heard of the party venue in Salisbury, which is closed now). And while I agree that the costing for men is to discourage too many men attending but how does that idea stand up with these so called gangbang clubs who guarantee sex for men who pay up to £100 | |||
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"couple of points from the posts. 1)I don't know any club that pays for girls to have sex, most wouldn't risk license and most people in a swingers club quite like sex anyway. " That doesn't mean that they don't exist. SPOILER: They do!. "2)Single men pay more because clubs don't want the men outnumbering couples and singles too much... " This isn't exactly why men pay more. I touched on this in my previous answer above but basically if you want to limit the number of guys then raising prices would not be the way to do it. | |||
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"It's actually happening in this club that I am talking about. I'm 90% sure anyway. " I would guess about 6 men have personally told us about their experience of actually paying for sex or being asked to pay for sex in clubs. | |||
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"wow LOTS of debate about sex workers.... So what's the overall opinions on clubs who market as swinging clubs/swinging events and have paid girls who *may* have to service anyone and everyone?" I think it's a great idea if done properly. Safer for the women being paid than having to meet somewhere risky. I have no issue with sex workers as long as they aren't forced into it. I wouldn't like to go to one as a single woman as I'd be concerned the men wouldn't take "no" for an answer. It's bad enough with some men as it is. Pretending it's a swinger event is dodgy as fuck and they shouldn't do that. | |||
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The reason I asked if this was the whole story was because in your opening post you said 'a club I was planning on going to'.
Yet you have done a club review and repeated what you have said on here."Ah no sorry I meant 'a club I was planning to go to regularly' I can see that it might have looked like I meant that they regularly pay girls! Possibly needed a comma. 'A club I was planning to go to regularly, pays girls...' | |||
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The reason I asked if this was the whole story was because in your opening post you said 'a club I was planning on going to'.
Yet you have done a club review and repeated what you have said on here.
Ah no sorry I meant 'a club I was planning to go to regularly' I can see that it might have looked like I meant that they regularly pay girls! Possibly needed a comma.
'A club I was planning to go to regularly, pays girls...'"I misread this too which is why I had to do some "fact checking" before saying my piece! 
In answer to your latest question, there is a club in the midlands which is basically a sex club. I haven't personally been so I'm just going by what I've read here in Fab. They are totally up front about this so everyone knows what happens there. Having said that they seem to be very popular and have excellent reviews so maybe honesty really is the best policy! | |||
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In answer to your latest question, there is a club in the midlands which is basically a sex club. I haven't personally been so I'm just going by what I've read here in Fab. They are totally up front about this so everyone knows what happens there. Having said that they seem to be very popular and have excellent reviews so maybe honesty really is the best policy! "Ah ok - ooops sorry about that then. I'm normally such a grammar freak too
Yeah I don't think it's too much of a problem if it's made public and if people know who has been paid and who hasn't. At least then, people can make informed choices.
The club owner has got in touch with me about my review but still hasn't given me a straight yes or no as to whether some girls are paid to have sex at the club events. I'm happy to change my review if what I've said is wrong, but I haven't been given any indication that that's the case as yet... | |||
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In answer to your latest question, there is a club in the midlands which is basically a sex club. I haven't personally been so I'm just going by what I've read here in Fab. They are totally up front about this so everyone knows what happens there. Having said that they seem to be very popular and have excellent reviews so maybe honesty really is the best policy!
Ah ok - ooops sorry about that then. I'm normally such a grammar freak too
Yeah I don't think it's too much of a problem if it's made public and if people know who has been paid and who hasn't. At least then, people can make informed choices.
The club owner has got in touch with me about my review but still hasn't given me a straight yes or no as to whether some girls are paid to have sex at the club events. I'm happy to change my review if what I've said is wrong, but I haven't been given any indication that that's the case as yet... "If he admits he pays women to have sex with people at his club he is admitting to a criminal offence. So he won't. | |||
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In answer to your latest question, there is a club in the midlands which is basically a sex club. I haven't personally been so I'm just going by what I've read here in Fab. They are totally up front about this so everyone knows what happens there. Having said that they seem to be very popular and have excellent reviews so maybe honesty really is the best policy!
Ah ok - ooops sorry about that then. I'm normally such a grammar freak too
Yeah I don't think it's too much of a problem if it's made public and if people know who has been paid and who hasn't. At least then, people can make informed choices.
The club owner has got in touch with me about my review but still hasn't given me a straight yes or no as to whether some girls are paid to have sex at the club events. I'm happy to change my review if what I've said is wrong, but I haven't been given any indication that that's the case as yet... "To be fair (not gonna pretend that I don't know which club you're talking about) I did enquire when they first started advertising these events and I couldn't get a straight answer either. I wouldn't have minded taking a look but I think £60 for a couple of hours is a bit much just for the sake of curiosity! Not saying that I would never go back there but if I do it would really be just to meet friends who I know from before on the nights where I don't have to pay £60 for a couple of hour hours of...? | |||
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I’ve had lots of unpaid crap sex.
There’s actually no correlation.
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Haha I wouldn't go back again anyway so it's no loss to me. I can't imagine any single guys or couples would be banned at any time lol. Having said that, I would appreciate any feedback if I was a business and trying to get more ladies into my club
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TBF, she's said that she doesn't pay girls at all, but I asked her why these rumours are going around and how come I've never heard of this being a thing until I went to her club? I've been to many, many swinging events, and so have other people I know, and we were all shocked to here that this goes on. I would like to be assured that the girls don't get paid, and then I'll change my review. Apparently, she doesn't feel the need to answer my questions and that's absolutely her prerogative but it doesn't make me change my opinion.
Doesn't change the fact that she is a very rude person and has no level of customer service at all - which would stop me from ever going back to a place where she's involved. Talk about bite the hand that feeds you
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bahahahaha!!! Well, it wasn't me!
I've since had a nice stream of abuse from the club owner calling me every name under the sun - disrespectful, self-centred, discriminatory, pain in the ass, insulting, stupid. I've been told that I'm just listening to Chinese whispers and that I'm doing all this because she wouldn't let me my friends in for free...
methinks the lady doth protest too much
TBF, she's said that she doesn't pay girls at all, but I asked her why these rumours are going around and how come I've never heard of this being a thing until I went to her club? I've been to many, many swinging events, and so have other people I know, and we were all shocked to here that this goes on. I would like to be assured that the girls don't get paid, and then I'll change my review. Apparently, she doesn't feel the need to answer my questions and that's absolutely her prerogative but it doesn't make me change my opinion.
Doesn't change the fact that she is a very rude person and has no level of customer service at all - which would stop me from ever going back to a place where she's involved. Talk about bite the hand that feeds you
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"wow LOTS of debate about sex workers.... So what's the overall opinions on clubs who market as swinging clubs/swinging events and have paid girls who *may* have to service anyone and everyone? I think it's a great idea if done properly. Safer for the women being paid than having to meet somewhere risky. I have no issue with sex workers as long as they aren't forced into it. I wouldn't like to go to one as a single woman as I'd be concerned the men wouldn't take "no" for an answer. It's bad enough with some men as it is. Pretending it's a swinger event is dodgy as fuck and they shouldn't do that. Problem is, it's illegal. But some clubs do it. How can they get round the legal issues?" They don't! | |||
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" Each to their own! Which they have had. From the very beginning they had, in fact still have, a suggestion book and everyone thought that things are now looking up as they were taking on board ideas to make the club better. So, fellow fabsters. Own up. Who suggested THIS one then?
bahahahaha!!! Well, it wasn't me!
I've since had a nice stream of abuse from the club owner calling me every name under the sun - disrespectful, self-centred, discriminatory, pain in the ass, insulting, stupid. I've been told that I'm just listening to Chinese whispers and that I'm doing all this because she wouldn't let me my friends in for free...
methinks the lady doth protest too much
TBF, she's said that she doesn't pay girls at all, but I asked her why these rumours are going around and how come I've never heard of this being a thing until I went to her club? I've been to many, many swinging events, and so have other people I know, and we were all shocked to here that this goes on. I would like to be assured that the girls don't get paid, and then I'll change my review. Apparently, she doesn't feel the need to answer my questions and that's absolutely her prerogative but it doesn't make me change my opinion.
Doesn't change the fact that she is a very rude person and has no level of customer service at all - which would stop me from ever going back to a place where she's involved. Talk about bite the hand that feeds you
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"wow LOTS of debate about sex workers.... So what's the overall opinions on clubs who market as swinging clubs/swinging events and have paid girls who *may* have to service anyone and everyone? I think it's a great idea if done properly. Safer for the women being paid than having to meet somewhere risky. I have no issue with sex workers as long as they aren't forced into it. I wouldn't like to go to one as a single woman as I'd be concerned the men wouldn't take "no" for an answer. It's bad enough with some men as it is. Pretending it's a swinger event is dodgy as fuck and they shouldn't do that. Problem is, it's illegal. But some clubs do it. How can they get round the legal issues? What legal issues? Prostitution is a money deal between 2 people for certain acts/a certain duration etc Hiring hostesses who are expected to sleep with a certain proportion of the men, but can say no, is legally different as the individual man may still get no sex for his money hence it’s legally different to prostitution- although I can understand why some might see that as a legal technicality but it’s defini legally not the same, hence why these places not only stay open but have licenses to operate Clearly the hostesses that say no to most of them I’m guessing don’t get hired very often!!!" Prostitution between 2 people IS legal. It becomes illegal when more than one person works from the same premises. | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc" It depends how you approach it. If you use Fab as a ‘no strings’ dating service, then it’s not a lifestyle, it’s insta-shag If you believe in non-monogamy as being the right choice for you, and you engage in a social scene that is of the same mindset, then it is most definitely a lifestyle. I go to clubs and socialise with a wide group of swinging friends. Some I have played with, some not. I go to parties, see people from the world of swinging in ‘vanilla’ settings to enjoy their company. I couldn’t enjoy a relationship with a guy who wasn’t a swinger as we wouldn’t be compatible, because he would expect monogamy. That’s what people mean when they refer to it as a lifestyle | |||
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"I've not said which club I was specifically talking about, where it was or who runs it - purposely. I was just interested to see how often this type of things happened and it has shocked me that it's more prevalent than I thought which is, in turn, worrying as a single girl who often goes to clubs alone. If someone is getting their knickers in a twist and posting statuses about it, then that's on them. I didn't start this thread to cause any trouble but it has made me very aware to ask more questions before I go to a club or event. Us single girls need to look after ourselves "To be fair this was discussed on the forums about 6 months ago and the club was named as well as notion of guaranteed fun, so it's certainly not a new rumour. Ginger | |||
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"I've not said which club I was specifically talking about, where it was or who runs it - purposely. I was just interested to see how often this type of things happened and it has shocked me that it's more prevalent than I thought which is, in turn, worrying as a single girl who often goes to clubs alone. If someone is getting their knickers in a twist and posting statuses about it, then that's on them. I didn't start this thread to cause any trouble but it has made me very aware to ask more questions before I go to a club or event. Us single girls need to look after ourselves
To be fair this was discussed on the forums about 6 months ago and the club was named as well as notion of guaranteed fun, so it's certainly not a new rumour.
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"I've not said which club I was specifically talking about, where it was or who runs it - purposely. I was just interested to see how often this type of things happened and it has shocked me that it's more prevalent than I thought which is, in turn, worrying as a single girl who often goes to clubs alone. If someone is getting their knickers in a twist and posting statuses about it, then that's on them. I didn't start this thread to cause any trouble but it has made me very aware to ask more questions before I go to a club or event. Us single girls need to look after ourselves
To be fair this was discussed on the forums about 6 months ago and the club was named as well as notion of guaranteed fun, so it's certainly not a new rumour.
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Ah ok...so she shouldn't be surprised at my reaction OR my review? And also I shouldn't be getting text abuse for calling her out on it?? lol "Going by some of the comments on the other thread, I think that's a fair assumption. Either way it's not unreasonable to expect a straight answer to a question and abusive messages are not acceptable. Ginger | |||
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"Ah I didn't realise this was already discussed! Here's the other thread about the same thing - https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/707928 I wish I'd have read that before going down there lol." Yeah it's public knowledge that it USED TO BE a brothel. | |||
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"Ah I didn't realise this was already discussed! Here's the other thread about the same thing - https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/707928 I wish I'd have read that before going down there lol. Yeah it's public knowledge that it USED TO BE a brothel. "Oh yeah, I don't mind at all that it used to be a brothel, I wouldn't even care if it was brothel now - my ONLY gripe is that it's not made obvious if and when girls are paid and what they are paid for. It's not right and it causes issues for single girls and other women because the guys there don't know who's been paid and who hasn't. It's not a safe environment and it's already in a dark industrial estate (not a problem against the club, but it's just a fact). | |||
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"Ah I didn't realise this was already discussed! Here's the other thread about the same thing - https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/707928 I wish I'd have read that before going down there lol. Yeah it's public knowledge that it USED TO BE a brothel.
Exactly “used to be” all we can say is we’ve been attending fairly regularly since they opened and have honestly never witnessed any females being paid or even suspected it.
We been to most of the events as we don’t have a preference, just like the relaxed atmosphere at the club, and not once have we felt could never say no to anyone."I never suspected it either and still wouldn't know which girls had been paid if they hadn't been pointed out to me I also think the club vibe is great and relaxed. I really like the club and am so frustrated that this has happened. It does help answer the huge number of single guys i've seen when I've been there, and perhaps why they're a bit more "handsy" than at other clubs. Just an idea - NOT a definite reason.
I'm really not slagging off the club OR it's owners. I'm just raising a concern about this one point AND then the owner has been vile to me when I've tried to question her about it.
I've also stated several times that it's a shame because it has great potential.
I've also previously offered to help out with the website and admin as I know the owner is quite overwhelmed, and I know others have offered to help in other ways. Unfortunately, they just won't listen and seem to want to do things their way.
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc It depends how you approach it. If you use Fab as a ‘no strings’ dating service, then it’s not a lifestyle, it’s insta-shag If you believe in non-monogamy as being the right choice for you, and you engage in a social scene that is of the same mindset, then it is most definitely a lifestyle. I go to clubs and socialise with a wide group of swinging friends. Some I have played with, some not. I go to parties, see people from the world of swinging in ‘vanilla’ settings to enjoy their company. I couldn’t enjoy a relationship with a guy who wasn’t a swinger as we wouldn’t be compatible, because he would expect monogamy. That’s what people mean when they refer to it as a lifestyle" I use Fab as a no strings non-dating site and I've never had an instant shag. Do swingers date the people they fuck? | |||
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"There are "swingers" clubs that catered specifically for single guys and advertise the paid hosts. Some couples do go but it's all upfront and honest. Everyone understands where they stand. Although the no means no is a little harder when the guys know you're paid to provide a service. No still means no. If clubs want to offer services and some certainly do, these are not swingers clubs and do nothing to enhance the lifestyle. If men want to pay for sex that’s up to them but we certainly avoid clubs that are really brothels masquerading as clubs. Paying for sex and swinging are two different things but often get thrown into the same mix to the detriment of the lifestyle and to websites like this one. What is this 'lifestyle' phrase that often gets trotted out on forums. It's not a lifestyle it's a site where 90% of men have joined to try and get sex. Harsh but true in my opinion. I never have and never will pay for sex. It's supposed to be mutual pleasure not a chore. There is a lifestyle, fab just isn't very representative of it. Probably because it's free to use unlike most others. i dont think it being free has anything to do with it. I just don't get the lifestyle line. It's not as if your diary says Monday Gym Tuesday Five a side Wednesday Swinging Etc etc It depends how you approach it. If you use Fab as a ‘no strings’ dating service, then it’s not a lifestyle, it’s insta-shag If you believe in non-monogamy as being the right choice for you, and you engage in a social scene that is of the same mindset, then it is most definitely a lifestyle. I go to clubs and socialise with a wide group of swinging friends. Some I have played with, some not. I go to parties, see people from the world of swinging in ‘vanilla’ settings to enjoy their company. I couldn’t enjoy a relationship with a guy who wasn’t a swinger as we wouldn’t be compatible, because he would expect monogamy. That’s what people mean when they refer to it as a lifestyle I use Fab as a no strings non-dating site and I've never had an instant shag. Do swingers date the people they fuck?" Sometimes. | |||
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"Have worked bar, been to lots of events and never met or heard of club paying the ladies. Unless things have massively changed and events are suddenly packed, I highly doubt hiring said ladies would even be financially possible. I've seen single men pay £60+ upwards for a three-hour event and there were at least 10 guys plus a few couples - and I left about half an hour in! That's nearly £1000 coming in and if £150 each for for three or four girls, that's still a profit + drinks and other stuff they might pay for. Lots of places do charge more than £60 for events to single guys too. I don't think it's financially viable for the long term - but looks like it's been happening for at least six months in this particular venue. If people are prepared to pay those prices, then I guess there's a demand. I would doubt a woman would want to do that when she can earn £100 upwards for one on one of her choice for an hour .... Erm well I've heard that a girls has approached by a club and the going rate is £50 an hour. There are several girls who are earning this amount for some of the events. I'm not sure what the terms of the agreement are but I'm more and more convinced that this is something that happens at this particular club. Perhaps they are paid more? Or perhaps they don't HAVE to play, but are just paid to be there? I dunno the details but I am pretty positive that money is changing hands. That's enough for me to not go back!" Not sure about the tone of your reply, I was just trying to add a little incite for you. | |||
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"To be honest I'm mot fussed if paid girls are there. It means the sleezey guys are less likely to hound me. If it's their choice of job then good luck k to them. I'm pretty sure though if there is a well valid reason to say no it would be ok. " I think you are missing the point. Scenario... A club uses paid girls (escorts, pros, hostesses... call them what you will) to lure guys in, the guys know that ladies in the club are a "sure thing". You (a single lady) visit the club, and the guys assume you are one of the "entertainment", a definite shag, an easy lay, there to "service" them if they ask.....what sort of experience do you think you would have? | |||
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"Have worked bar, been to lots of events and never met or heard of club paying the ladies. Unless things have massively changed and events are suddenly packed, I highly doubt hiring said ladies would even be financially possible. I've seen single men pay £60+ upwards for a three-hour event and there were at least 10 guys plus a few couples - and I left about half an hour in! That's nearly £1000 coming in and if £150 each for for three or four girls, that's still a profit + drinks and other stuff they might pay for. Lots of places do charge more than £60 for events to single guys too. I don't think it's financially viable for the long term - but looks like it's been happening for at least six months in this particular venue. If people are prepared to pay those prices, then I guess there's a demand. I would doubt a woman would want to do that when she can earn £100 upwards for one on one of her choice for an hour .... Erm well I've heard that a girls has approached by a club and the going rate is £50 an hour. There are several girls who are earning this amount for some of the events. I'm not sure what the terms of the agreement are but I'm more and more convinced that this is something that happens at this particular club. Perhaps they are paid more? Or perhaps they don't HAVE to play, but are just paid to be there? I dunno the details but I am pretty positive that money is changing hands. That's enough for me to not go back! Not sure about the tone of your reply, I was just trying to add a little incite for you. "hehe no tone intended!! I was just trying to say that that was the amount I'd heard was being paid. I have NO clue about going rates or anything - am pretty clueless when it comes to sex work so I wouldn't know lol
What I was trying to say was that I'm not sure that the 'girls' are prostitutes, or would consider themselves as such hence why they are taking a lower amount than is normally stated? I really don't *know* anything - it's all just heresay and rumours.
I've heard it from several different people, on several different occasions, and it seems that this has been rumoured/known for many months as per the other thread. Personally, I think any rumour that's been going on that long and has the same consistent details, probably isn't a rumour - but that's just my opinion!
The club owner has denied the accusation but wouldn't answer any of my more specific questions. I've said I would absolutely change my opinion and remove my review if I was convinced that these rumours were unfounded. Ideally, I'd like to talk to the girls involved and find out what they say but I also have it on good authority that she messaged a female as recently as a few weeks ago, offering her money to come to the club and 'entertain' at one of her events. Again, all rumours and I've not SEEN anything with my own eyes but I won't have the opportunity to find out more as I've been banned from the club and abused terribly by the club owner.
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"To be honest I'm mot fussed if paid girls are there. It means the sleezey guys are less likely to hound me. If it's their choice of job then good luck k to them. I'm pretty sure though if there is a well valid reason to say no it would be ok. I think you are missing the point. Scenario... A club uses paid girls (escorts, pros, hostesses... call them what you will) to lure guys in, the guys know that ladies in the club are a "sure thing". You (a single lady) visit the club, and the guys assume you are one of the "entertainment", a definite shag, an easy lay, there to "service" them if they ask.....what sort of experience do you think you would have? And this is EXACTLY my point. Extra points though: Are the guys told that some or *all* ladies are a sure thing? It's not made obvious that anyone is being paid so how does anyone know? What are they being paid for? How are the paid for girls identified? Are they being looked after or treated poorly? When everything is *potentially* underhand and sneaky, then you have to ask these questions. I've been to this particular club a few times and there are always a higher proportion of single males than any other event I've been to - despite the high ticket price. Also, I've probably had more 'handsy' experiences there than anywhere else (and can guess why, now!!). This club is full of kooky little rooms and so a single lady *could* probably be dragged off into somewhere by one or more guys and probably wouldn't be able to get any help (the number one reason why I wouldn't go back). It's in a very deserted and ill-lit part of the city centre with no passing traffic and it would be easy for an assault or something to occur outside of the club - again not to blame the club for this BUT it is something to consider if the clientele have been promised a guaranteed shag and didn't get it for whatever reason. There are just so many other factors to consider on top of whether it is morally/ethically right or not!" I’m my experience a lot of single guys (certainly the newer ones on the scene) think that a lot of the girls at a club night are a sure thing anyway and their behaviour towards women doesn’t seem to change irrespective of paid girls. As the earlier post says, the paid ladies will often take the letchy guys out of the way and will improve the scenario for said lady. I have no issue with paid girls, it’s not my thing but anyone with an ounce of sense can tell who they are anyway, so I always give them a wide birth. Most of the girls I meet on the scene welcome them for the reasons I’ve already mentioned. I don’t see it as a big deal. | |||
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"To be honest I'm mot fussed if paid girls are there. It means the sleezey guys are less likely to hound me. If it's their choice of job then good luck k to them. I'm pretty sure though if there is a well valid reason to say no it would be ok. I think you are missing the point. Scenario... A club uses paid girls (escorts, pros, hostesses... call them what you will) to lure guys in, the guys know that ladies in the club are a "sure thing". You (a single lady) visit the club, and the guys assume you are one of the "entertainment", a definite shag, an easy lay, there to "service" them if they ask.....what sort of experience do you think you would have? And this is EXACTLY my point. Extra points though: Are the guys told that some or *all* ladies are a sure thing? It's not made obvious that anyone is being paid so how does anyone know? What are they being paid for? How are the paid for girls identified? Are they being looked after or treated poorly? When everything is *potentially* underhand and sneaky, then you have to ask these questions. I've been to this particular club a few times and there are always a higher proportion of single males than any other event I've been to - despite the high ticket price. Also, I've probably had more 'handsy' experiences there than anywhere else (and can guess why, now!!). This club is full of kooky little rooms and so a single lady *could* probably be dragged off into somewhere by one or more guys and probably wouldn't be able to get any help (the number one reason why I wouldn't go back). It's in a very deserted and ill-lit part of the city centre with no passing traffic and it would be easy for an assault or something to occur outside of the club - again not to blame the club for this BUT it is something to consider if the clientele have been promised a guaranteed shag and didn't get it for whatever reason. There are just so many other factors to consider on top of whether it is morally/ethically right or not!" I’ve read everything you’ve said on this thread and taking you at face value I’d say you’re well shot. But then again I’m quite pendantic about things I suppose, so clubs frustrate me generally. To reiterate what I said much earlier, swinging and paid sex however that manifests itself, are not compatible in my opinion and I wouldn’t attend a club or party knowingly with paid women anyway, or men for that matter, but that’s a different story !! | |||
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