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" Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours. " This is what the OP thinks.  | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. " Thank you Staffs hotwife. That is my greatest fear as well. And the reason I am trying to just make people think before giving away sensitive information and protect themselves as best they can. Keep safe out there XX | |||
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" _umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it?" Your location may be indicative that the laws you face are different to the laws in the UK and the local authorities attitudes and laws to granting licences to different business premises. | |||
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" _umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it? Your location may be indicative that the laws you face are different to the laws in the UK and the local authorities attitudes and laws to granting licences to different business premises. " Do you believe that is what he meant? | |||
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Now what has changed is life is for the living,I want to enjoy many different clubs and parties,to do that I show ID fill in forms,it's how it is,I'm not missing out anymore
If it comes out I'm on database for a swingers club,then I can deal with that,I'm not going to be sacked from my job or disowned by my family for enjoying going to swingers club,it's part of my life,I'm allowed to enjoy it
Having fun is not a crime I'm not going to live in fear of being found 
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"We are in London this weekend and the club we are planning to attend has asked for a full length photo of both of us. It does state it on there website however I can't see why a full length photo is required. Most clubs ask for photo ID like a passport or driving licence. "Some clubs like to choose the people who attend their clubs by the way they look maybe. Similarly the admittance price of some clubs may attract different people too. | |||
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"You have a strong oppinions on this op,I personally have one myself In my nearest options of clubs/parties I can get to with no I'D required are private parties,curvy club and rio's That restricts to a party held once every 8 weeks and a club in central London with no dancing etc I never use to like showing ID when first in the scene
Now what has changed is life is for the living,I want to enjoy many different clubs and parties,to do that I show ID fill in forms,it's how it is,I'm not missing out anymore
If it comes out I'm on database for a swingers club,then I can deal with that,I'm not going to be sacked from my job or disowned by my family for enjoying going to swingers club,it's part of my life,I'm allowed to enjoy it
Having fun is not a crime I'm not going to live in fear of being found
People close to me know anyway "I am in complete agreement with you and it's a shame we have to take a big risk just to go out and have fun. Of course anyone who gets outed will have to deal with it. It's no secret I will never give copies of my private documents and so I am the one missing out on some great sounding places. I don't think the risk is worth it. I go to Curvy club, It's the best club I have ever attended and it is very safe and secure. We have probably met in there so I know you are a very nice person, Every one who goes is! | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. " As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? | |||
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"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative. The premise is that giving your photo ID and personal details to a sex orientated swingers club could result in your personal life being splashed across the web with devastating results for you and your family and work life. Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase. they have stated that you are safer. A little bit yes. But really, How does it keep everyone safer? You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you? In the very least it may help to identify your attacker after the fact, and it may even keep some from doing such a thing, but not all, because it is a well known fact most attackers are known to their victims. So do you still think being on a database will protect you? We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history. We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong. a private members club is just that: A club for it's members run by it's members it must have a chairman and a committee of it's members that make the rules. Do you think the clubs you go to are still "Private members clubs"? I refer you to the law societies website. A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality. The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee. So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying. We have heard about the Data protection act and how one club owner admits to breaking that law by using the information for a purpose it was not intended for. They check your social media pages using the information you supplied for ID! Now that is scary If your data goes public..Your screwed! If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk! There are no advantages to you, None. Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours. No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle. I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk. Have fun and keep safe XX" I don't want to come across as a pedant but you've made a classic Internet error in going to the Law Society (not law societies) website and quoting it as if it's authoritative. As a generalization their definition of a private members club is useful but it's not congruent with the way a licensing officer or development control officer might use bit to distinguish between premises open to the public and those only open to a group or class of people. Many private members clubs like the working mens club i drink in are both private members clubs and limited companies... I think I get the point you are trying to make but you've proved a little google can be dangerous... | |||
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"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association. An Unincorporated Association is a small group of people getting together to form a club, putting in place membership rules and running the club on the basis of each person being fully involved, and liable. Its not a good choice for any club with property, or who employs staff. As members you would be viable for any debts should the club run into such. An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability. Most Swingers Clubs have undergone vast amounts of discussions with lawyers, councils and police to ascertain they can run as Private Members Clubs. They have invested vast amounts of money to open and run their businesses on the assurity of running a legal and above board business that won’t be shut down the next week. Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street. Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”. To be fully licenced for alcohol sales, every club must satisfy the following local bodies in their area. The Police, Fire and Rescue, Local Health Board, Local Council, Local Heath and Safety Agency, Local Planning Authority, Local Child Protection Organisation, Local Trading Standards, Home Office, and any other relevant licensing body operating in the area. If everyone above is satisfied that all possible precautions are being taken to protect 4 very distinct areas. They are the prevention of Crime and Disorder, Public Safety, Prevention of Public Nuisance, and the Protection of Children from Harm. How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved. Therefor it is up to the club to decide how they can match these requirements. By recording information on each member, ie name, age and address as a minimum they can assure the authorities they know who is on site, and who might be to blame should any incident occur. Adding sex into the equation makes this even more important. As pointed out, it might not stop an incident happening, but it does help considerably in catching the offender. It also acts as a considerable deterrent in the first place, anyone considering a sexual offence, might re-consider very quickly if their details are on file already! The question now is which you’d prefer to attend. A club who has gone through all of the above hoops, and satisfied all of the associated bodies, who holds your information securely in compliance with ICO Data Protection, or, a building that allows anyone in, mixing alcohol and sex, without any checks whatsoever on age, or that knows who is involved in any incident that occurs. Every legitimate club will openly state to you when you join, if you don’t want them to record your details in any form, please do not attend. If you wish to remain anonymous, please party elsewhere and good luck if anything happens to you. The OP goes to Curvy Club. Curvy Club is not a club, its an event, held at a private house. No need to satisfy any of the above, unless of course they charge you to enter, in which case HMRC would be extremely interested to chat with the organisers. Don't fall down the stairs either, liability might be limited. " | |||
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"So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all. I agree. But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs. "An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability." So it's no different from any limited company or private business. Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring. You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused! true? Have fun and stay safe XX " Good god this is sooooo boring. Do you worry this much about everything? | |||
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"So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all. I agree. But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs. "An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability." So it's no different from any limited company or private business. Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring. You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused! true? Have fun and stay safe XX Good god this is sooooo boring. Do you worry this much about everything?" Are you being forced to read this? I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol | |||
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" Are you being forced to read this? I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol " Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol | |||
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"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association. An Unincorporated Association is a small group of people getting together to form a club, putting in place membership rules and running the club on the basis of each person being fully involved, and liable. Its not a good choice for any club with property, or who employs staff. As members you would be viable for any debts should the club run into such. An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability. Most Swingers Clubs have undergone vast amounts of discussions with lawyers, councils and police to ascertain they can run as Private Members Clubs. They have invested vast amounts of money to open and run their businesses on the assurity of running a legal and above board business that won’t be shut down the next week. Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street. Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”. To be fully licenced for alcohol sales, every club must satisfy the following local bodies in their area. The Police, Fire and Rescue, Local Health Board, Local Council, Local Heath and Safety Agency, Local Planning Authority, Local Child Protection Organisation, Local Trading Standards, Home Office, and any other relevant licensing body operating in the area. If everyone above is satisfied that all possible precautions are being taken to protect 4 very distinct areas. They are the prevention of Crime and Disorder, Public Safety, Prevention of Public Nuisance, and the Protection of Children from Harm. How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved. Therefor it is up to the club to decide how they can match these requirements. By recording information on each member, ie name, age and address as a minimum they can assure the authorities they know who is on site, and who might be to blame should any incident occur. Adding sex into the equation makes this even more important. As pointed out, it might not stop an incident happening, but it does help considerably in catching the offender. It also acts as a considerable deterrent in the first place, anyone considering a sexual offence, might re-consider very quickly if their details are on file already! The question now is which you’d prefer to attend. A club who has gone through all of the above hoops, and satisfied all of the associated bodies, who holds your information securely in compliance with ICO Data Protection, or, a building that allows anyone in, mixing alcohol and sex, without any checks whatsoever on age, or that knows who is involved in any incident that occurs. Every legitimate club will openly state to you when you join, if you don’t want them to record your details in any form, please do not attend. If you wish to remain anonymous, please party elsewhere and good luck if anything happens to you. The OP goes to Curvy Club. Curvy Club is not a club, its an event, held at a private house. No need to satisfy any of the above, unless of course they charge you to enter, in which case HMRC would be extremely interested to chat with the organisers. Don't fall down the stairs either, liability might be limited. " | |||
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" Are you being forced to read this? I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol I see that went over your head lol, That was just the same stating the obvious that has been nearly a hallmark of this thread, And no I'm not going! I am pointing out that if you do go think about the implications of being on a database, I know and so do you know where I stand. Think carefully and stay safe xx " | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? " Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison. As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides. | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison. As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides." yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance.. Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted and sorting it can be a long and expensive process. Keep very safe out there xx | |||
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"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative. The premise is that giving your photo ID and personal details to a sex orientated swingers club could result in your personal life being splashed across the web with devastating results for you and your family and work life. Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase. they have stated that you are safer. A little bit yes. But really, How does it keep everyone safer? You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you? In the very least it may help to identify your attacker after the fact, and it may even keep some from doing such a thing, but not all, because it is a well known fact most attackers are known to their victims. So do you still think being on a database will protect you? We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history. We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong. a private members club is just that: A club for it's members run by it's members it must have a chairman and a committee of it's members that make the rules. Do you think the clubs you go to are still "Private members clubs"? I refer you to the law societies website. A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality. The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee. So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying. We have heard about the Data protection act and how one club owner admits to breaking that law by using the information for a purpose it was not intended for. They check your social media pages using the information you supplied for ID! Now that is scary If your data goes public..Your screwed! If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk! There are no advantages to you, None. Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours. No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle. I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk. Have fun and keep safe XX" Simple answer don't visit clubs | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison. As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides. yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance.. Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted and sorting it can be a long and expensive process. Keep very safe out there xx" Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why? | |||
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" Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?" I have just redone my car insurance and it's 10 pages double side lol. | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison. As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides. yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance.. Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted and sorting it can be a long and expensive process. Keep very safe out there xx Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?" Sorry no name and shame...it's against the rules of this forum, just have a look around. | |||
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" Are you being forced to read this? I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol "In uk any night club they ask you for ID . Imagine in a swingers club ! if they don't require an prove of ID , a under age person is court in the permises .Who would face charges ? | |||
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"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago. As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families. One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members? Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison. As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides. yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance.. Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted and sorting it can be a long and expensive process. Keep very safe out there xx Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?" This is ridiculous many people never went to clubs ! They had their details stolen and a bank fraud etc ! In 5 years I never had a problem , no club ever contacted me or exposed me ! They a business like any other ! They must to coover they own back ! They are professional people who trying to make a living in a legal way ! | |||
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"yes and one poster has stated even huge corporations with an army of IT staff has not stopped it being hacked, He also said even the FBI was hacked! I'm glad you are doing your best to protect you customers data. You should be applauded for that. I mean it. Lets hope your physical data is as well protected in the event of a break in or a moments lapse in your care of these records. I notice your post was not combative and I thank you for that. I am not attacking you either. I would love to visit your club and sure it is a well run and fun place to visit. I'm sure this will not go over your head lol keep safe XX" Lol. But we'd need to see ID.
I think that it would not be in any clubs interest to have data hacked stolen or whatever - but I am left with a feeling that a club perhaps cares a little less if they do not take ID - ID seldom protects you before the fact but it can have the effect of making a person who would 'behave badly' think twice about doing so because they know we have their ID recorded.
When we explain why we take ID most people will say 'well actually we are glad that you do'.
God forbid a time that anything would happen to someone in a club and the perpetrator not be traceable. I also suspect that the club would be in a lot of trouble with the authorities for not doing so.
Any establishment that has an Alcohol License has to have CCTV in every room and on the street covering entry and exit. Things aren't as anonymous as you might think they are. Also they have to have registered doormen. The Police have right of entry with appointment to any alcohol licensed premises.
While I applaud your concern - I think that you will find that clubs who take ID have though about it VERY carefully.
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"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that. I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse. Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room? even "Play rooms" I must have misunderstood your post." Yes. I did say that. Bars and clubs are required to have working recording CCTV in every room that a patron is allowed to buy or consume alcohol - if that transfers correctly that that would mean the same for swingers - as there is no particular separate laws governing swingers clubs with regard to sale and consumption of alcohol. | |||
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"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that. I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse. Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room? even "Play rooms" I must have misunderstood your post. Yes. I did say that. Bars and clubs are required to have working recording CCTV in every room that a patron is allowed to buy or consume alcohol - if that transfers correctly that that would mean the same for swingers - as there is no particular separate laws governing swingers clubs with regard to sale and consumption of alcohol. "A simple way to control that perhaps is to NOT allow alcohol consumption in playrooms (but even that might not get around it). | |||
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A simple way to control that perhaps is to NOT allow alcohol consumption in playrooms (but even that might not get around it).
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"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative. The premise is that giving your photo ID and personal details to a sex orientated swingers club could result in your personal life being splashed across the web with devastating results for you and your family and work life. Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase. they have stated that you are safer. A little bit yes. But really, How does it keep everyone safer? You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you? . .. I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk. Have fun and keep safe XX" Agree. | |||
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"What a delightful and interesting post this has been with several club owners and interested parties all chipping in. Can we call it a day now. I think we all know the OP has concerns about safety of information held by club's and the club's have all explained why they keep the data, and how they are very aware of how important it is to keep this information secure. Thanks OP for making us consider if we club goers are prepared to take the risk to hand over our name and address to the clubs. We are all adults. So can we just let people make their own decisions about which, if any club they attend. Get your popcorn ready. I have a feeling the OP will want to keep this thread running and running....." i'm going for the all time record Lizzy, I am enjoying it very much that's true, You'll all be relieved when I have to go back to work, But I bet you will miss me then....like a hole in the head...lol | |||
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" our right to privacy is disappearing at an alarming rate ..smart fones are just surveillance devices .. if and when swinging becomes illegal ..which might not be too far away ..we're all be rounded up an be arrested for deviant and perverted behaviour ..pity we didnt do something about it when we had the chance. " With all the politicians involved in sex scandals do you they they pass laws banning what they enjoy? More likely crack down on illegal, unlicensed clubs that don't ask for ID and possibly don't declare income or pay tax. | |||
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"i know miss lovecock, it is scary. It's a funny thing but I'm getting to like you Lizzy, although we'll never agree with each other! i'm also liking mr kinkyman for some reason, I look forward to his posts. Even some of the club owners are being nice to me now as well, If you keep being nice I wont want to argue with you anymore, so cut it out! And if Morticia starts warming up...I'm out of here...lol "Always like a good debate, but you are still in danger doing anything online, being a member of a legal club is one of the lesser things to worry about. | |||
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"i know miss lovecock, it is scary. It's a funny thing but I'm getting to like you Lizzy, although we'll never agree with each other! i'm also liking mr kinkyman for some reason, I look forward to his posts. Even some of the club owners are being nice to me now as well, If you keep being nice I wont want to argue with you anymore, so cut it out! And if Morticia starts warming up...I'm out of here...lol
Always like a good debate, but you are still in danger doing anything online, being a member of a legal club is one of the lesser things to worry about. "I was thinking about your theory that hackers would not be interested in small clubs, It's the big boys they are after. I think for professional criminals you are right. I also think that if they hacked a site like this, you may get lost in the sheer mass of data, I think fab has 30000 members or so. Staffs hot wife made an interesting point that if someone had a grudge against a club it would be a way to get your own back. As you know I have far too much time on my hands at present so had a poke around the dark web using a tor browser. for the average website it is surprisingly easy to make an attack, although I have not attempted to try it so it may be all b**sh*t. If you would like to know more, message me. For everyones information it is illegal to hack a website with severe penalties if you get caught. So dont even think about it. Keep safe out there xx | |||
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"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club. Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look. I am apparently a barrack room lawyer and a keyboard warrior. And I should not believe what the law society publish about Private members clubs. I am waiting for some joes with an opinion to get back to me. However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post. once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk. You are not equally at risk, time and effort for little reward hacking a Swingers Club or time hacking elsewhere with potentially a jackpot of rewards. Where would you go? " It would depend on my motivation, If I was looking for big $$$ I might go for the big guys,If I was that famous fat guy in his mothers back bedroom a swingers site with easier security than the big guys might be a very juicy target. | |||
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"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said. Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave. That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective. What about that for a compromise?" No one has a thought about this? | |||
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"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club. Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look. I am apparently a barrack room lawyer and a keyboard warrior. And I should not believe what the law society publish about Private members clubs. I am waiting for some joes with an opinion to get back to me. However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post. once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk. You are not equally at risk, time and effort for little reward hacking a Swingers Club or time hacking elsewhere with potentially a jackpot of rewards. Where would you go? It would depend on my motivation, If I was looking for big $$$ I might go for the big guys,If I was that famous fat guy in his mothers back bedroom a swingers site with easier security than the big guys might be a very juicy target." Juicy target for what? Better pictures and videos on porn sites even freely available without having to hack. Plenty of information on Facebook if you are interested and have time with hacking. Much easier and juicer targets. On here there is more to worry about like journalists creating accounts for stories and not needing to hack anything! | |||
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"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative. The premise is that giving your photo ID and personal details to a sex orientated swingers club could result in your personal life being splashed across the web with devastating results for you and your family and work life. Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase. they have stated that you are safer. A little bit yes. But really, How does it keep everyone safer? You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you? In the very least it may help to identify your attacker after the fact, and it may even keep some from doing such a thing, but not all, because it is a well known fact most attackers are known to their victims. So do you still think being on a database will protect you? We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history. We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong. a private members club is just that: A club for it's members run by it's members it must have a chairman and a committee of it's members that make the rules. Do you think the clubs you go to are still "Private members clubs"? I refer you to the law societies website. A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality. The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee. So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying. We have heard about the Data protection act and how one club owner admits to breaking that law by using the information for a purpose it was not intended for. They check your social media pages using the information you supplied for ID! Now that is scary If your data goes public..Your screwed! If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk! There are no advantages to you, None. Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours. No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle. I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk. Have fun and keep safe XX" Anyone concerned, don't go to a club. Simples. Just meet others in a hotel or at your own house. We've been to Infusion and our identities haven't been stolen, we haven't been attacked etc.. Doesn't bother us. | |||
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"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said. Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave. That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective. What about that for a compromise? that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred." Also, people going out in the little black dress or skimpy outfit, and their special club handbag, won't always remember to transfer their driving licence into the bag each visit. How about the people getting home and realising they forgot to pick up their licence. Filling in a membership form once and knowing it is kept securely is much easier for most people. | |||
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"Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what! It seems the law society is correct in their definition of a private members club. These clubs are typically golf clubs or modellers clubs things like that. and we all know about golf clubs commitee's The only section I could find close to that is as follows: Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc. (1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is— (a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act), (b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or (c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act). And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this. I could go copy and paste a lot more in support but I dont think anyone is remotely interested in legal defininition of clubs, Just so as not to appear foolish while I was waiting for your reply and practicing your polite description of me as a barrack room lawyer and keyboard warrior. (Is that an insult? seems quite dashing to me lol) Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from. The result is the same Keep safeX" you proved you know nothing about the law by quoting a non-authoritative source, whose name you couldn't even get right. Sources of law is a really fun topic for first year undergrads or as a module in lesser qualifications. I have no issue with you coming on here spouting paranoid bollocks about hacking but the pretentious way you've dressed it up with pseudo legal language and bad quotes from websites you've Googled is a waste of bandwidth. | |||
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"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said. Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave. That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective. What about that for a compromise? that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred. Also, people going out in the little black dress or skimpy outfit, and their special club handbag, won't always remember to transfer their driving licence into the bag each visit. How about the people getting home and realising they forgot to pick up their licence. Filling in a membership form once and knowing it is kept securely is much easier for most people. But it is much more dangerous for them to be on a database which could expose them to humiliation for them and their families. And you are saying that the registration system system does not work in the properly ID clubs you visit? Are you saying that you dont have to sign in and out because that is the only way it could be forgotten. And if you dont have to sign in and out how do they know who is in the club and would this not blow out of the water everything you have been saying? No Thanks. Anyone who gives all their private information and copies of personal documents to a small club with minimal security are asking for trouble and it's not a matter of "IF" it's "WHEN" Even mr kinkyman keeps posting that even the big boys with armies of IT consultants get hacked, Ashley Maddison, Adult Friend Finder etc. And you will be a lot worse off, They have actual copies of your driving licence, utility bills and maybe even your car insurance policy. You wont have to worry about a bit of shame with your family, work or community when you get exposed, That will be the least of your worries, horrifying enough, but full on identity theft. They will have data on you to open a credit card, take out a loan, HP agreement and god knows what else. And the onus will be on those silly enough to have given away private and confidential information to a small as we say in the US " Ma and Pa" business with minimal security. I did not really want to say this but I have seen clubs posting "We have the best anti virus" well so what! Anti virus is good for virus's but useless against a hack attack. That is not it's intended purpose, Even a firewall which is more a defence, will not save you. As Ashley Maddison et. Al. can testify. Well I did wake up in a bad mood this morning lol. Keep safe XX" At most Clubs you only need 1 or 2 forms of ID confirmation name and address, not every last piece of information about you. Why credit cards? They have no address or photo so not much use to prove who you are? Why target a small "Ma and Pa" business? Not worth the time and effort. | |||
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"Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what! It seems the law society is correct in their definition of a private members club. These clubs are typically golf clubs or modellers clubs things like that. and we all know about golf clubs commitee's The only section I could find close to that is as follows: Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc. (1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is— (a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act), (b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or (c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act). And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this. I could go copy and paste a lot more in support but I dont think anyone is remotely interested in legal defininition of clubs, Just so as not to appear foolish while I was waiting for your reply and practicing your polite description of me as a barrack room lawyer and keyboard warrior. (Is that an insult? seems quite dashing to me lol) Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from. The result is the same Keep safeXyou proved you know nothing about the law by quoting a non-authoritative source, whose name you couldn't even get right. Sources of law is a really fun topic for first year undergrads or as a module in lesser qualifications. I have no issue with you coming on here spouting paranoid bollocks about hacking but the pretentious way you've dressed it up with pseudo legal language and bad quotes from websites you've Googled is a waste of bandwidth." Well well we do have a bee in our bonnet dont we lol. As soon as resort to personal attacks you have already lost. I read through the legislation and it does not mention Private members clubs. It is concerned with clubs, all clubs, The very definition of a private members club is that it run by it's members for it's members, it has an elected chairman and elected commitee who makes the rules. Such as a golf club. I'm sorry my spelling of society was not to your high exacting standards. I do tend type very fast and sometimes these things happen. you wrote: I have no issue with you coming on here spouting paranoid bollocks about hacking Is it paranoid? really, how many websites have you heard about being hacked? Is it very common? I think you will find as already been posted by others that it happens. Now lets revisit Private members clubs. That was a counter argument against a poster in a very old thread. I will say this once again. IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT! If your hacked and your details go public, DOES IT MATTER what type of business it was leaked from? You have been abusive and rude. you have called me all sorts of names in your defence of what, a definition of a club status, who cares anyway, I have stated so many times it does not matter what type of business releases your information. you scream that I am wrong. The law society is wrong yet when when I ask you point out just where I am wrong you send me a link to the Licencing Act. OK I bit, I read the very long and boring Act. I posted the only bit I could find that MAY concern private members clubs. (friendly societies etc.) Ok now I actually posted on here what the law society has to say about private members clubs. You post the actual bit that states an incorporated or private business is a Private members club. yes this type of business can be a club. but not a private members club. I am wasting bandwidth on you. I will wait for your reply on where it states anything about the constitution of private members clubs in the Act. Have a nice day XX | |||
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"Definition of a private members club from the legal department of the RYA. www.rya.org.uk Many sports clubs are unincorporated associations, known usually as private members clubs. Such clubs will commonly adopt a Constitution and Rules which bind the members together and govern their operation. The members usually appoint a management co mmittee and flag officers to take on the day to day running and administration of the club. I suppose not only is the law society wrong but the Royal Yachting Society legal department is wrong as well. Maybe you should contact these qualified legal people and point out the errors they are making as well. Keep safe! XX " I had no idea that the RYA runs swingers clubs under the guise of yachting. I’ve obviously skippered the wrong yachts!! | |||
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"We at New Paradise ask for photo id purely for age verification as we are an over 25's club. We do not photocopy your driving licenses or passports, nor do we hold any digital data on members. We simply hold a name and address as a hardcopy. This is for any accident /crime prevention issues that may arise. We need to be able to inform any relevant authority ie police, ambulance of your name and address in the event, God forbid, of any emergency. Being whisked off as John Doe or Jane Doe doesn't help the medical services access your records should you require emergency treatment. Rather than assume we just want your details to be awkward, please look at the bigger picture and the real sense it makes to know your name and address. "Sounds reasonable to me. Do you destroy it after a guest has left? I never thought any club wanted my details to be awkward, Just that collect way to much. I may just pop along one day X | |||
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"I can Google too and have just been reading the Government guide on the Equality Act in relation to private clubs and other associations. It's the Other Associations bit that is relevant. An other association is one with 25 + members which has rules that don't have to be formal or written and there must be a genuine selection process. That sounds like the clubs we've been to. So to be able to tailor prices to encourage women they need to have members and not just be open to anyone who walks in off the street. Therefore no, they may not strictly be private members clubs but are presumably operating as Other Associations and need to do certain things in terms of recording members to avoid merely being service providers and unable to adjust pricing and access. I can see why people have concerns about handing over ID but to us is less of a concern than being on here. I would be interested to know more about how individual clubs record and store the data they collect. Is ID scanned and stored or info just taken down and held somehow? " yes I have seen that. It seems that each Gov department has a different set of rules regarding clubs. and yes you are right they are not private members clubs but may come under the friendly societies part of the act which I have already put forward, provided they comply with other relevant sections of the act. which in my humble opinion they do not. | |||
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"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club. Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look. I am apparently a barrack room lawyer and a keyboard warrior. And I should not believe what the law society publish about Private members clubs. I am waiting for some joes with an opinion to get back to me. However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post. once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk. " You keep ignoring this bit which blows your argument about what a "Private Members Club" is out of the water... "A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association. An Unincorporated Association is a small group of people getting together to form a club, putting in place membership rules and running the club on the basis of each person being fully involved, and liable. Its not a good choice for any club with property, or who employs staff. As members you would be viable for any debts should the club run into such. An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability." | |||
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"We at New Paradise ask for photo id purely for age verification as we are an over 25's club. We do not photocopy your driving licenses or passports, nor do we hold any digital data on members. We simply hold a name and address as a hardcopy. This is for any accident /crime prevention issues that may arise. We need to be able to inform any relevant authority ie police, ambulance of your name and address in the event, God forbid, of any emergency. Being whisked off as John Doe or Jane Doe doesn't help the medical services access your records should you require emergency treatment. Rather than assume we just want your details to be awkward, please look at the bigger picture and the real sense it makes to know your name and address.
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I may just pop along one day X"We keep the details for the full term of the membership. (12 months). This is so we can locate details of members who have lost or misplaced their membership cards and to prevent misuse of membership cards. We do not send any letters out to your address, marketing or otherwise. As mentioned, it is solely for the event of any emergency situation. | |||
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"So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all. I agree. But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs. "An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability." So it's no different from any limited company or private business. Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring. You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused! true? Have fun and stay safe XX Good god this is sooooo boring. Do you worry this much about everything? I agree! OP you made your point on the original thread ... repeatedly... so if your point is to make people more aware then you have already done that and now you are just repeating yourself over and over and it comes across as you being bitter that everyone doesn't share your opinion You make your decision not to go andshare your ID and respect others that have decided that they will There was no reason to carry it on to another thread " | |||
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"So, my details are held on an isolated hard drive, on a stand alone PC with no internet connection & out of reach of a hacker. It’s also password protected (Vic, jump in if I’m incorrect here!) But let’s just assume for a moment that someone breaks into the club, steals the hard drive, cracks the password & releases my details, confirming nothing more than I’m registered as a member of the club. So the conversation with my friends / family / boss etc goes something like “so, I see you’re registered as a member of a Swingers club” “Yes, I went a while back with a friend & joined to see what the fuss was about. It wasn’t really my thing though to be honest. I’d forgotten all about it” “Oh right, ok” At what point should I crawl away to die of embarrassment? Alternative question Fab’s servers are hacked, all data, images, text, veri’d etc are downloaded & released online. My friends / family / boss can see my photos; Public, friend only & private - including the face pic photo verified shot confirming site name & profile name. They can read what I’ve written in my bio. They can read every veri detailing the intimate highlights of my meets. There’s no brushing it off as something you did once & forgot about. The conversation goes something like “answer your phone, this is the 58th voicemail I’ve left this week. You can’t hide forever” But I can’t actually answer because I’ve crawled away to die of embarrassment. Not because I swing, but because everyone is aware of the tiniest details of my sex life. But even then, in a couple of weeks it’ll blow over & it’ll become tomorrow’s chip paper. The details that are on Fab are a vastly more sensitive, delicate & potentially embarrassing than my name & address being listed on a database which actually tells no back story & has no context." This! | |||
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"So, my details are held on an isolated hard drive, on a stand alone PC with no internet connection & out of reach of a hacker. It’s also password protected (Vic, jump in if I’m incorrect here!) But let’s just assume for a moment that someone breaks into the club, steals the hard drive, cracks the password & releases my details, confirming nothing more than I’m registered as a member of the club. So the conversation with my friends / family / boss etc goes something like “so, I see you’re registered as a member of a Swingers club” “Yes, I went a while back with a friend & joined to see what the fuss was about. It wasn’t really my thing though to be honest. I’d forgotten all about it” “Oh right, ok” At what point should I crawl away to die of embarrassment? Alternative question Fab’s servers are hacked, all data, images, text, veri’d etc are downloaded & released online. My friends / family / boss can see my photos; Public, friend only & private - including the face pic photo verified shot confirming site name & profile name. They can read what I’ve written in my bio. They can read every veri detailing the intimate highlights of my meets. There’s no brushing it off as something you did once & forgot about. The conversation goes something like “answer your phone, this is the 58th voicemail I’ve left this week. You can’t hide forever” But I can’t actually answer because I’ve crawled away to die of embarrassment. Not because I swing, but because everyone is aware of the tiniest details of my sex life. But even then, in a couple of weeks it’ll blow over & it’ll become tomorrow’s chip paper. The details that are on Fab are a vastly more sensitive, delicate & potentially embarrassing than my name & address being listed on a database which actually tells no back story & has no context." The way we work.... You bring ID, we don't take copies. You fill in a membership form and I cross check the details against ID and the ID is given back and a membership card is given with a number on it. Only I handle personal info after this time. The details are entered onto a blank database which doesn't reference Townhouse, swingers, private members...nadda. It's just a blank database of names for all intents and purposes. The database is not kept onsite. It is on a portable hard drive which is always kept at my home and is locked away when it's not in use. If someone walks into the club without their membership card, I can't access the database onsite to check if they are members so they don't get in OR they can come in as guests by showing ID (not copied) but this is not regularly allowed. Any membership forms, once entered into my database at home, are shredded and the burnt in my metal bin outside. So for someone to get to the info we hold, they would have to find out where I live, break into my house, find where my locked safe is, figure out the combination, have a device to load up the database and work out 2 numeric passwords to get into it. Then all they have is a database of names and no proof of why they are held on a database as it doesn't reference swinging on it. This satisfies my local authority and the 20000 members who have joined Townhouse thus far. Vic xx | |||
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"Townhouse. WOW looks like your trying your best. I'm impressed. 20000 members lets hope they all dont turn up at once!" That's 20000 over 12 years...but we do very well, even in the part of the country with the most clubs in one region! We're quite proud of what we've achieved and take the privacy of our members very seriously, hence our longevity and zero breaches xx | |||
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"It is mainly about being outed as a swinger, I would hate for my children,work and friends to find out about my private life. does that not worry you. And also this is a swingers site and the sub is about swingers clubs so I would look silly If I came on here and did not specify swingers clubs, which is the only way I could be outed as a swinger. Of course I am very careful in all that I do, what I put out and the reason for it. also the type of organisation, is it a big professional concern or just a smallish outfit, in spite of the Ashley Maddison thing, I feel safer with the big boys. also do they need the information? I have refused many times to hand it over and still got what I wanted." It doesn’t bother us if we got ‘outed’ at all, my kids would get over it, my friends know exactly what we do so that wouldn’t be a shock and my family? They already look down there nose at me anyway so one more thing wouldn’t make the sightest difference lol, Ads family really wouldn’t care anyway, his mum might look down on him but she would also say ‘it’s your life’. It’s our life and most people we’ve spoken to actually find it intriguing, it’s not something we shy away from, if people ask now we would and are open with them. Sure my work colleagues would be absolutely shocked but it’s just a talking point and one that would die down eventually.geeky x | |||
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"Err Did we not just cover all of this, But I agree with most of what you say, except some clubs DO want copies of all your private documents and if you give them over you are at risk of that information ending up in the wrong hands. Then not only is your swinging life exposed but you are at risk of identity theft as well. Then the public exposure of your sex life will be nothing to the problems with identity theft! Keep safe XX" If you are that worried and ashamed of what you get up to privately maybe you shouldn’t be swinging? Geeky x | |||
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"Err Did we not just cover all of this, But I agree with most of what you say, except some clubs DO want copies of all your private documents and if you give them over you are at risk of that information ending up in the wrong hands. Then not only is your swinging life exposed but you are at risk of identity theft as well. Then the public exposure of your sex life will be nothing to the problems with identity theft! Keep safe XX If you are that worried and ashamed of what you get up to privately maybe you shouldn’t be swinging? Geeky x" Ahh the oldies are the best although to be fair you have updated it a bit! 
What makes you think I am ashamed?
No I do not want my family friends and work finding out. Ashamed NO.
i'm glad that you dont mind being exposed, The point of this thread is that some people really dont want that to happen, and measures they can take to avoid that scenario.
We all get so used to giving over our data that we do it without proper thought.
And I would hope you agree that mostly it is not required for you to hand over a copy of your drivers licence, utility bills, and as one club wants, you car insurance documents.
It's intrusive.
Townhouse has said, all they want is your name and address, no copies.
Is that not enough as they verify it by visually checking your ID.
they dont need a copy of anything.
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"Err Did we not just cover all of this, But I agree with most of what you say, except some clubs DO want copies of all your private documents and if you give them over you are at risk of that information ending up in the wrong hands. Then not only is your swinging life exposed but you are at risk of identity theft as well. Then the public exposure of your sex life will be nothing to the problems with identity theft! Keep safe XX" The irony of err did we not just cover this on a 2nd thread about the same topic. You don't need to read and respond to everything. I was quite clear the risks of identity theft from a swinging club is far lower than from other walks of life. If you choose to frequent swinger clubs that hold your data in a more easily accessible format that is your choice. | |||
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"OP - So far you have at least 4 ways that could out you as a swinger before you have even been to a club or private party: Your mobile phone Your computer Your ISP Your payment method of choice All of which can be hacked or tracked and all will have had their data compromised at some point with or without your knowledge. Then if you do go to even a no ID private party Potentially your car/SatNav Other people at the party Other people who know that a 'sex party' is occurring. Club owners have lot more than you do to lose if they are lax in their data management. You are more likely to out yourself with one of the above than a club is 'leak' your data. " Actually all of this has been covered many times, But it is a long meandering thread and you need a lot of time to go through it all. Like a lot of posters if you keep reading it you will lose the will to live. The post is actually about if you are on a database of a swingers club you stand the risk of it being hacked or misused in some way. Yes your sat nav and phone could put you in the vicinity of a swingers club. so what! yes your home pc could be hacked, and all the other reasons you state. I do not disagree with you entirely. Did you read about the amount of data about you they require? Photocopies of licence, utility bills and in one extreme case, car insurance documents. I'm sorry, regular readers and posters will be fed up with this all going round again, but I will read and answer posts. Do you think this over the top? Do you think they could collect a lot less and still know enough for their stated reasons for it? And finally, the whole point of this thread, If you are on a swingers club database you risk that data being misused and that could put you at risk of exposure? Keep safe out there XX | |||
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"OP - So far you have at least 4 ways that could out you as a swinger before you have even been to a club or private party: Your mobile phone Your computer Your ISP Your payment method of choice All of which can be hacked or tracked and all will have had their data compromised at some point with or without your knowledge. Then if you do go to even a no ID private party Potentially your car/SatNav Other people at the party Other people who know that a 'sex party' is occurring. Club owners have lot more than you do to lose if they are lax in their data management. You are more likely to out yourself with one of the above than a club is 'leak' your data. Actually all of this has been covered many times, But it is a long meandering thread and you need a lot of time to go through it all. Like a lot of posters if you keep reading it you will lose the will to live. The post is actually about if you are on a database of a swingers club you stand the risk of it being hacked or misused in some way. Yes your sat nav and phone could put you in the vicinity of a swingers club. so what! yes your home pc could be hacked, and all the other reasons you state. I do not disagree with you entirely. Did you read about the amount of data about you they require? Photocopies of licence, utility bills and in one extreme case, car insurance documents. I'm sorry, regular readers and posters will be fed up with this all going round again, but I will read and answer posts. Do you think this over the top? Do you think they could collect a lot less and still know enough for their stated reasons for it? And finally, the whole point of this thread, If you are on a swingers club database you risk that data being misused and that could put you at risk of exposure? Keep safe out there XX" All the clubs that have posted have confirmed that they don’t actually collect this data. So I’m actually wondering what clubs in particular you’re referring to - or is this an assumption. You’ve flagged your opinion on this. The majority of people are aware of the dangers of sharing personal data in all walks of their life & are largely able to make up their own minds. After all, it’s something we do every day in some way (you’ve mentioned identity theft a lot) The clubs that took the time to reply to you don’t fall into this category. The clubs you believe do so clearly haven’t responded & people attending such clubs can & will make up their own minds. I was cautiously optimistic that, after 14 hours, this thread had finally wrapped up as there is nothing new being said. If we all promise to be careful, can we drop it & move onto something else instead?
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"I think the point a lot of us are trying to say is that no one is forced to go to any establishment that requires this level of documentation, I would think most savvy people would look up online before they go or call the club first (as I don’t make a habit of carrying those things with me normally) to see what they need to bring, if they are told they need to provide say a utility bill then it is there choice, they are putting faith in the club not being hacked (which I would thought isn’t on the most hacked list in the world, not when there are other places that could be hacked for personal details etc), and again it is down to the individual to make an informed choice, if they don’t want to hand over those things then they will find a club that doesn’t need that kind of identification. This ‘hobby’ of ours pose risks from being exposed to I hate to say it, catch something that nobody wants but it’s how you handle it to stop it being a greater risk. I think everyone has had their eyes opened with this thread and some may not have thought about it but I really don’t think a swingers club is a major target for identity thief. Geeky x" Good post, Geeky. We are one of those couples who have an issue with ID but fully understand it's a necessity to keeping people safe with traceable records. We could go to clubs but have decided we're unlikely to ever go for the miniscule, unlikely event our ID was put out there regardleds of how it came about and yes, we'd 100% lose our jobs and never work in that field again, common sense tells us not to go to clubs. We do attend private parties, the larger social events and hotel meets without ID and we're getting a good swinging experience even if we are a little envious of you guys having all the fun a club has to offer. Like you say we have an informed choice and it really rests with the individuals whether they attend clubs and all that goes with it. | |||
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"Silly Sunday Post! I just read about a gang raid on a swingers club in Birmingham. Suppose they nicked the members list with all you details... A masked gang of three raided a swingers club - attacking a man and a woman and sending semi-naked customers fleeing into the street. One man, aged 53, was punched to the ground, while a woman was pushed, the Birmingham Mail reports. Witnesses reported seeing half-naked members of the club fleeing into the street. Who would have thought that could happen? Of course they should have demanded all the robbers personal details, That would have stopped them! Have a nice day XX" I think you will find it wasn’t a swingers club | |||
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"What is amusing is that you have a concern over identity theft, yet when you open a bank account, you willingly hand over your passport to be photocopied. You hand over proof of address also. Now, it is highly illegal to photocopy or reproduce passport details in any way or by anyone! Yet you do it freely and assume that all bank tellers are moral law arising citizens. The very fact they photocopy your passport makes them guilty of committing an offence against the Crown! Your smartphone can be scanned and cloned within 30 seconds, your contact less credit card skimmed instantly.. And you moan about a club collecting data. If someone wants your identity, your bank details bad enough, so you really think hacking into swingers clubs mainframes would be their first port of call? " The lady isn’t concerned about this type of thieft (well we all should be lol) she is worried about her details being leaked and being outed to her family, friends and job etc. | |||
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"What is amusing is that you have a concern over identity theft, yet when you open a bank account, you willingly hand over your passport to be photocopied. You hand over proof of address also. Now, it is highly illegal to photocopy or reproduce passport details in any way or by anyone! Yet you do it freely and assume that all bank tellers are moral law arising citizens. The very fact they photocopy your passport makes them guilty of committing an offence against the Crown! Your smartphone can be scanned and cloned within 30 seconds, your contact less credit card skimmed instantly.. And you moan about a club collecting data. If someone wants your identity, your bank details bad enough, so you really think hacking into swingers clubs mainframes would be their first port of call? The lady isn’t concerned about this type of thieft (well we all should be lol) she is worried about her details being leaked and being outed to her family, friends and job etc. " Except she isn’t, because she states that she never goes to clubs that want ID She’s concerned about a hypothetical situation that could affect people she doesn’t even know that go to clubs she can’t name. There are so many ifs, buts & maybes in this story that it’s making me dizzy!!! | |||
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"What is amusing is that you have a concern over identity theft, yet when you open a bank account, you willingly hand over your passport to be photocopied. You hand over proof of address also. Now, it is highly illegal to photocopy or reproduce passport details in any way or by anyone! Yet you do it freely and assume that all bank tellers are moral law arising citizens. The very fact they photocopy your passport makes them guilty of committing an offence against the Crown! Your smartphone can be scanned and cloned within 30 seconds, your contact less credit card skimmed instantly.. And you moan about a club collecting data. If someone wants your identity, your bank details bad enough, so you really think hacking into swingers clubs mainframes would be their first port of call? The lady isn’t concerned about this type of thieft (well we all should be lol) she is worried about her details being leaked and being outed to her family, friends and job etc. Except she isn’t, because she states that she never goes to clubs that want ID She’s concerned about a hypothetical situation that could affect people she doesn’t even know that go to clubs she can’t name. There are so many ifs, buts & maybes in this story that it’s making me dizzy!!!" . | |||
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"What is amusing is that you have a concern over identity theft, yet when you open a bank account, you willingly hand over your passport to be photocopied. You hand over proof of address also. Now, it is highly illegal to photocopy or reproduce passport details in any way or by anyone! Yet you do it freely and assume that all bank tellers are moral law arising citizens. The very fact they photocopy your passport makes them guilty of committing an offence against the Crown! Your smartphone can be scanned and cloned within 30 seconds, your contact less credit card skimmed instantly.. And you moan about a club collecting data. If someone wants your identity, your bank details bad enough, so you really think hacking into swingers clubs mainframes would be their first port of call? " No-one would be 'outed' for using a bank.  | |||
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"What is amusing is that you have a concern over identity theft, yet when you open a bank account, you willingly hand over your passport to be photocopied. You hand over proof of address also. Now, it is highly illegal to photocopy or reproduce passport details in any way or by anyone! Yet you do it freely and assume that all bank tellers are moral law arising citizens. The very fact they photocopy your passport makes them guilty of committing an offence against the Crown! Your smartphone can be scanned and cloned within 30 seconds, your contact less credit card skimmed instantly.. And you moan about a club collecting data. If someone wants your identity, your bank details bad enough, so you really think hacking into swingers clubs mainframes would be their first port of call? No-one would be 'outed' for using a bank. "Oh, I don’t know - the amount of Love Honey, Nice ‘n’ Naughty, Ann Summers and Saints & Sinners spends on my statement might be a clue!! | |||
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