FabSwingers.com forum: Photo ID. What for?

By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Notice that a few clubs are now asking for Photo ID, proof of address, or photos before they let you in. Why? What difference does it make?

Do you suppose these clubs are registered with the data protection act?

What are they going to do with your personal private details, sell them on,

or maybe the lack of protection will one day have a pervert who got your address turning up on your doorstep, sending you embarasing mail, or even stalking, who knows. just suppose the list goes public

would you like to appear as a member of a swinging club for your friends, neighbours, and family to see? I'm sure you would not, so go to clubs where you pay your money, have fun and stay anon.

Give these "clubs" the flick!

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By *hatterley64Couple
over a year ago

Hertford

We get so used to being asked for it these days, I hadn’t really given it much thought.

Would like to know the answer though!

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By *inglesCouple
over a year ago

Colchester

As lots of clubs are private members clubs we have to ask members to provide us with names, dob, and address etc which are all kept very safe, and we do have a data protection license. We also then ask for ID on the first visit ensuring that we know who’s in the club at all times. This provides all our members with an extremely safe environment. It also ensures that everyone in the club is an adult, we are over 25’s but what about the clubs that we over 18,a? How do they check someone isn’t underage?

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

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By *iversong321Woman
over a year ago

Preston/Merseyside

Are you talking about clubs in America OP seeing as you are from Texas? Maybe the law is different than here in the UK.

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By *r an Mrs xMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Private members clubs by law need to take ID of all members. It’s a legal requirement Just some don’t follow the letter of the law

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

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By *rs Butterfly.Woman
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I like the fact that the clubs I go to ask for ID. If there is a major problem or issue they have traceability.

If you have nothing to hide then you should have a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need ID to be allowed to fart these days! I don't see the problem...plus...I don't care who knows I am a member of a swingers club and it is not too likely that anything else would come of someone actually getting hold of this info anyway. I am sure clubs would rather keep their licenses and check ID than worry about the few that have a problem with showing any

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody."

If you are an organisation handling any form of personal data you have to be registered with the Information Commisioners office in the UK.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/

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By *aydeesclubCouple
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

We as a club are registered with the ICO. We also state this on our website.

All our id's are securely locked up in paper form and we never keep the surnames of people on a data base. Just in case anyone got to our data base.

On our database we only keep names/surname initials ie first letter of surname and fab user name. All by your membership number...

For the protection of everyone in the club it is far better to know who is in the building.

This is only for emergency services they are the only others who would we would show id too in case of an emergency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As lots of clubs are private members clubs we have to ask members to provide us with names, dob, and address etc which are all kept very safe, and we do have a data protection license. We also then ask for ID on the first visit ensuring that we know who’s in the club at all times. This provides all our members with an extremely safe environment. It also ensures that everyone in the club is an adult, we are over 25’s but what about the clubs that we over 18,a? How do they check someone isn’t underage?

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

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what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

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By *hingy2Woman
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Mingles .... very well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the fact that the clubs I go to ask for ID. If there is a major problem or issue they have traceability.

If you have nothing to hide then you should have a problem."

Nothing to hide as in, I am not a serial killer, yes. I am not a bank robber, yes. Not the worry is not about such things.

The worry is about, you work in a pharmacy, school, hospital, church, mosque, charity, political union or party, social group, local council, etc and then one day; just one day, the 'reputation' and track record you have built for yourself threatens to brutally interfere with REAL LIFE!

Your boss calls you for a chat and shows you the tale of the tape and actually points out to you that based on xyz, .....

Based on xyz, you can no longer be accepted on the board of whatever.

Based on xyz, we have to let you go.

Based on xyz, you cannot become director of .....etc.

I think this is what the bottom line is as far as concerns are concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the fact that the clubs I go to ask for ID. If there is a major problem or issue they have traceability.

If you have nothing to hide then you should have a problem.

Nothing to hide as in, I am not a serial killer, yes. I am not a bank robber, yes. Not the worry is not about such things.

Your boss calls you for a chat and shows you the tale of the tape and actually points out to you that based on xyz, .....

Based on xyz, you can no longer be accepted on the board of whatever.

Based on xyz, we have to let you go.

Based on xyz, you cannot become director of .....etc.

I think this is what the bottom line is as far as concerns are concerned."

Personally I;d rather explain to my boss why I'm a member of a private members club than explain to them why I have pictures of my nob publicly on display on a swingers site. I;m pretty sure that is likely to cause far more reputational damage than my name been on a membership list that no one can access

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By *.L.A.M. party profile xxCouple
over a year ago

manchester

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

Tricky to get take driving licence with your photo sealed in it. You can give a false name and address, but getting the driving licence to match isnt that easy . Once you are inside the club, you can call yourself whatever name you like. But in a private members club, they must have a list of members.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I am generally against unreasonable levels of loss of privacy and am against government ID cards, for example, as well as well as the vast creep that has eroded privacy in recent years.

Clubs want to create membership upon your identity, which is a different thing to ensuring safety. As adults we are responsible for complying with the law at all times, as can be stipulated in membership rules, alongside codes of conduct. Unless I'm going to be written to, keeping a club updated with my home addresses, when moving etc, seems intrusive.

A digital photo can be used thereafter for membership entry verification, with a card if wanted. I don't want my personal information amassed in lots of organisations databases, when this might be used inappropriately in future - we know that data is stolen and mis-used from all kinds of places.

I'll join where required and expect to revisit both with the legal minimum of data being provided and stored. I'd also expect that such data is destroyed unless required for criminal investigations etc.

Clubs do a generally good job with security and ensuring safety - with members playing their part by reporting anything wrong.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Well I knew the if you've got nothing to hide etc. folks would chime in, and if thats what you think then fine by me.

I personally would prefer it my private life was kept private. there is always a risk of any data becoming public, suppose the records were stolen even if in paper form, office/home burglars, left in car, even left on the train! Then what.

I'm not sure about the private club thing, why make it a private club? lots of "clubs" you walk in, pay your money, that's it. Is there a reason to say it is a private club? Think about it like a club or a pub.

I'm not sure but happy to be corrected there is no law about ID unless the club sells alcohol, which most dont.

If you want to check ages, ask to see the ID without making a copy, easy.

I cant see any reason for it at all except to make a database, and why would they need that?

As I already stated, with the best will in the world with a moments lapse of security your private life could be exposed to the world and I for one would dread that happening to me. my private life is just that...Private.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

For the person that asked, I am talking about UK clubs. never been asked for a copy of ID in US, but they often ask to see it to check ages etc. Thats no problem for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

if people want to bad thing there is no stopping them let's just prey no one does

u can make that all fake ID n details for the amount of money u spendin one visit club

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

Someone with far more knowledge with me will probably be able to help but if I remember correctly establishing yourself as a private club means you are exempt from certain legislation that otherwise governs your normal establishments like pubs and clubs. For instance in some private clubs people are allowed to smoke inside the building as it's an accepted term of being part of the private club, gentleman's smoking clubs etc.

Part of the conditions of being a private club means you have to hold a database of the members which is obtained from peoples i.d's. I'm sure there's benefits in terms of licensing laws etc but again i'm sure someone / or a club would be better placed to give the full details on this.

Sadly we live in an age where all information can be used against us, for instance if fab was compromised, i'm sure someone with the right knowledge would be able to obtain your i.p. then link that to your address, then obtain your details from a voters check, then see fit to tell you they know your on this site etc etc...

We understand the risk of all but we must admit we always feel that clubs who operate a proper i.d policy seem to feel safer and seem to have the interest of the customers at heart, but we completely understand why some people aren't comfortable with it.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

OP I don't know what the rules are in the USA but this is how it works in the UK.

Clubs charge different prices based on gender, mostly to help control the numbers of men who visit although some do it purely for profit.

In order to do this they have to be a private members club. If they aren't a private members club and they charge different prices they could find themselves in trouble because it is discrimination.

To be a private members club you are required to keep a list of your members and their personal details.

If you are so concerned about your private life being exposed then perhaps you should consider a less "adult" hobby that won't put you in a compromising position if the truth comes out.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

wondered how long it would take.lol

If we are going down the road of unwanted and slightly rude advice it's maybe time to kill off this thread. Thanks for everyones input, I guess it's a personal thing if your bothered by it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Methinks just checking is fine but storing(in whatever format) it is another.

No security is 100%.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Blacksir, I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wondered how long it would take.lol

If we are going down the road of unwanted and slightly rude advice it's maybe time to kill off this thread. Thanks for everyones input, I guess it's a personal thing if your bothered by it or not."

Unfortunately, not everyone can stand mental stimulation and still function fine. You must be evil if you don't agree with me. I am Christian= all non Christians are evil. I am straight= all gay people are evil. I am British= all not Brits are evil, wrong and backward. I am single= all non single people are behind the curve and are stupid etc.

In my estimation, such people had shoddy upbringing. It was always their way when they were kids. Have you ever wondered why very very terrible, zero talent downright disrespectful youngsters end up on x factor or Britain's got talent or such shows? No one dared to look them in the eye withe alternative viewpoints so they grew up thinking everybody agreed with them in every possible way. They grow into filthy mouthed adults.

Such adults are the ones who resort to insults and bad language when they face challenging situations and have to explain or argue out their thoughts or actions. I am glad when I see such. I simply smile to myself.

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

"wondered how long it would take.lol

If we are going down the road of unwanted and slightly rude advice it's maybe time to kill off this thread. Thanks for everyones input, I guess it's a personal thing if your bothered by it or not."

Your points were answered without anyone being rude. You said ‘treat clubs like a pub’. Well they aren’t ‘public houses’, they are private members clubs, hence why they are being referred to as ‘private’. They are all legally licenced & some do sell alcohol. Others allow alcohol to be brought into the premises & charge ‘corkage’. They are run as private members clubs (regardless of the swinging element) and have a requirement to hold days on their members. This is a legal requirement & not for any other purpose.

If you still choose to avoid clubs like that because you feel excessively scrutinised, that’s entirely your call!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody."

You do if you hold specific data....

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"wondered how long it would take.lol

If we are going down the road of unwanted and slightly rude advice it's maybe time to kill off this thread. Thanks for everyones input, I guess it's a personal thing if your bothered by it or not.

If you still choose to avoid clubs like that because you feel excessively scrutinised, that’s entirely your call! "

Thank you very much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See, you can call someone a cnut without actually saying so.

What is wrong with people these days?

That is what the law says, you dare not ask questions.

The law says if Mr x has certain characteristics, he is entitled to a house. What if Mr x deliberately engendered those characteristics? This is an intelligent question which can be explored to the fullest. In my view, its very insulting to tell someone that it is the law so if they are not happy with it, get out of that county, country, continent etc. Intellectual stimulation, folks. State your case, your whys and wherefores without the need for IT IS THE LAW, YOU CAN CHOSE TO GO OR NOT TO GO. The fact we can all vote with out feet, is abundantly clear to all and therefore warrants no need for a restatement of the obvious.

If we all agreed with one perspective, the whole of Europe would be filled with blonde blue eyed rock loving long haired people who hated chicken, chapatti,Pepsi and Irish beer. And we would all be driving around in VWs.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Good greif you would think there was a crime behind the doors of the club involved. All concenting adults (id was shown to prove it).

So who is the pervert? The person minding their own business going to a club or the weirdo looking into it? And if that weirdo was your boss? Who is he Harvey fucking Weinstein? You can’t be fired over your sexuality.

If you are confronted you should at the top of your voice “YOU FUCKING PERVERT! NO I WILL NOT FUCK YOU. YOU ARE DISGUSTING. ARE YOU TRYING TO BE HARVEY WEINSTEIN?”

Stop making yourself the victim. Think who the real pervert is.

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

"See, you can call someone a cnut without actually saying so.

What is wrong with people these days?

That is what the law says, you dare not ask questions.

In the nicest of respects... what the hell are you ranting on about?? We're talking about why clubs choose to operate a private membership system... not George Orwells 1984 or how the law applies to the freedom of humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Enjoying my popcorn while reading this thread.......

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

"Enjoying my popcorn while reading this thread......."

Salted?

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Blacksir was making a valid point, The poster was very agresive,and there is no need for it, it's just an internet debate and it's funny how even the nicest of people think it's ok to be rude because they are anonymous, I bet if they were in a club all properly identified with photo ID they would be the sweetest people. I suppose there is that for it..lol

I am still not sure it's the law if you are not selling alcohol.

I am also willing to bet that the vast majority of people think the same as me,

and do not want private details possibly

in the public domain for family and others to see.

I could be silly and challenge that if it's no problem why not post your details on here for all to see if you dont mind your family work and neighbours knowing, but I wont.

anyway my point is made agree disagree.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"Enjoying my popcorn while reading this thread.......

Salted?"

Sweet and salty with a large gin for meeee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"Enjoying my popcorn while reading this thread.......

Salted?

Sweet and salty with a large gin for meeee"

I need one as well now, plenty of ice and a slice of lemon please, actually hold the lemon...lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Data Protection Act controls how your personal information is used by organisations, businesses or the government.

Everyone responsible for using data has to follow strict rules called ‘data protection principles’. They must make sure the information is:

used fairly and lawfully

used for limited, specifically stated purposes

used in a way that is adequate, relevant and not excessive

accurate

kept for no longer than is absolutely necessary

handled according to people’s data protection rights

kept safe and secure

not transferred outside the European Economic Area without adequate protection

There is stronger legal protection for more sensitive information, such as:

ethnic background

political opinions

religious beliefs

health

sexual health

criminal records

If you think your data has been misused or that the organisation holding it hasn’t kept it secure, you should contact them and tell them.

If you’re unhappy with their response or if you need any advice you should contact the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Blacksir was making a valid point, The poster was very agresive,and there is no need for it, it's just an internet debate and it's funny how even the nicest of people think it's ok to be rude because they are anonymous, I bet if they were in a club all properly identified with photo ID they would be the sweetest people. I suppose there is that for it..lol

I am still not sure it's the law if you are not selling alcohol.

I am also willing to bet that the vast majority of people think the same as me,

and do not want private details possibly

in the public domain for family and others to see.

I could be silly and challenge that if it's no problem why not post your details on here for all to see if you dont mind your family work and neighbours knowing, but I wont.

anyway my point is made agree disagree."

And it’s your choice not to attend a club that requires photo ID etc.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I am still not sure it's the law if you are not selling alcohol.

I am also willing to bet that the vast majority of people think the same as me,

and do not want private details possibly

in the public domain for family and others to see.

I could be silly and challenge that if it's no problem why not post your details on here for all to see if you dont mind your family work and neighbours knowing, but I wont.

anyway my point is made agree disagree.

And it’s your choice not to attend a club that requires photo ID etc."

No, seriously, Are you saying I dont have to go to a club I'm not happy about sharing my personal information with? Well I'm very glad you told me because I would never have thought of that!

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By *inglesCouple
over a year ago

Colchester

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

Fake IDs are hard to spot, we do what we can however I can usually spot if something is amiss and have checked some addresses online before, I have also checked social media accounts to check the person is as real as I can! I’ve only ever done this a handful of times over 4 years. If someone wants to lie and get into our club or any club for that matter, there’s Only so much we can do. We have never had any major problems in the club x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wondered how long it would take.lol

If we are going down the road of unwanted and slightly rude advice it's maybe time to kill off this thread. Thanks for everyones input, I guess it's a personal thing if your bothered by it or not."

It's for this very reason that I rarely post an opinion in the forum. There seems to be a hard core gang that lurk around just waiting to damn people...for what reason I don't know. Feel a bit sorry for them really.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

At the weekend I witnessed the owners of a club getting a form out of a locked cupboard and contacting a gentleman to return an item of value that he had left behind at the club.

They were behind the reception desk, so nobody could see the details. They were discussing the most appropriate way to talk to him in confidence without naming the club etc.

I was only there as we were discussing my party at the club and nobody else was in reception.

Club owners are very aware of the confidential details that they hold and act very carefully and responsibility.

For lost belongings, in case of trouble or emergency eg fire or illness at the club , having a list of who is there and people's details is important.

All data is held secure. If details were just shoved in a drawer and were taken this would lead to the club having no customers whatsoever and they would go out of business. Give the owners some credit.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm still uncertain that the volume of information that is required to be provided is in fact necessary - I think in part it's become too routine. Name, over 18 (or club minimum age) check, town, contact method user wants, should be about enough.

Unless someone could name legislation that specifies exactly what more must legally be taken and/or stored.

All data should also be deleted after a reasonable time according to data laws - so minimizing what's taken up front seems sensible.

Safety and security at clubs should be handled separately, away from the harvesting and retention of people's data. I'm fine with cctv on entry/exit, which could be used for police purposes for example and deleted after a reasonable time.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I'm sure that contacting the gentleman who left his valuable item behind was greatly appreciated by him. And so this is one reason it's a good idea, especially if you are prone to forgetting your valuable items!

I'm thinking if he was in one of those dreadful clubs that dont insist on keeping a database of customers private details he would have had to call up or message the club to see if they have his valuable item.

Yes I can see how a list of members would help the authorities to identify unfortunate customers unlucky to have been burnt to a crisp in a club fire, however would not a simple book in book out procedure not enable said authorities to determine if anyone was left in the building? such as most clubs have anyway? and they dont need your info to count bodies in, bodies out,and work out how many are in the club.

We are members of a club, we had to SHOW our ID and a simple card was given to us with our forenames only on it. anyway in this club a gentleman collapsed, the rumor going around was it was an overdose of viagra and a very hot summer day. Now this is the amazing part, The club staff managed to call an ambulance without knowing the unfortunate mans personal details, who would have thought it!

A few years ago we were friends with a couple we met in said club, very nice people. I was amazed that the lady had no problem with full face and action shots on this very site. Before anyone starts shouting I dont care if you have similar pictures it's up to you.

Anyway, said ladies profile was discovered by friends of their teenage children. She was distraught the children were teased, and gossip spread all over the community. They gave up the lifestyle and we never heard from them again.

This could happen to you if your details are mishandled even by the most diligent

club administration.

But lucky we live in a free(ish) world so go with what your comfortable with x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the weekend I witnessed the owners of a club getting a form out of a locked cupboard and contacting a gentleman to return an item of value that he had left behind at the club.

They were behind the reception desk, so nobody could see the details. They were discussing the most appropriate way to talk to him in confidence without naming the club etc.

I was only there as we were discussing my party at the club and nobody else was in reception.

Club owners are very aware of the confidential details that they hold and act very carefully and responsibility.

For lost belongings, in case of trouble or emergency eg fire or illness at the club , having a list of who is there and people's details is important.

The fact that YOU WITNESSED THIS is even concerning!!! You, my friend, have unwittingly proved the point of the skeptics. The FBI's security was breached, banks have been infiltrated, serious multi national companies have been made to look stupid.

I don't think the skeptics want zero security. The question being asked is, how can they make it LESS INTRUSIVE or less juicy for a hacker etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

try renting a house through a letting agent ..

they want to know even more about you than a club does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the weekend I witnessed the owners of a club getting a form out of a locked cupboard and contacting a gentleman to return an item of value that he had left behind at the club.

They were behind the reception desk, so nobody could see the details. They were discussing the most appropriate way to talk to him in confidence without naming the club etc.

I was only there as we were discussing my party at the club and nobody else was in reception.

Club owners are very aware of the confidential details that they hold and act very carefully and responsibility.

For lost belongings, in case of trouble or emergency eg fire or illness at the club , having a list of who is there and people's details is important.

I don't think the skeptics want zero security. The question being asked is, how can they make it LESS INTRUSIVE or less juicy for a hacker etc."

should be down to the person that have lost there property to contact the club ,not the other way round .

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By *FFB69Woman
over a year ago

Torfaen/Gwent

"I'm sure that contacting the gentleman who left his valuable item behind was greatly appreciated by him. And so this is one reason it's a good idea, especially if you are prone to forgetting your valuable items!

This could happen to you if your details are mishandled even by the most diligent

club administration.

But lucky we live in a free(ish) world so go with what your comfortable with x"

And had the man died, what would have happened? What if he didn’t have any ID on him at all? He’d be a John Doe and then valuable police time would be used trying to find the mans family.

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By *inderellaRockerfellazCouple
over a year ago

warrington

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

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over a year ago

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

I have issue with providing ID to get in a swinger's club (and have done so for many in recent years) and I'm even resigned to the fact that more and more vanilla us in London will want to scan my driving licence as a condition of entry.

But I would view any of them accessing my social media as a form of verification as a massive invasion of privacy.

That is not what you hold the information for and as well as a breach of privacy is almost certainly a breach of data protection. It doesn't matter if you claim you have only done it a handful of times you are admitting to mishandling and abusing the data you hold about your members

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over a year ago

This could happen to you if your details are mishandled even by the most diligent

club administration.

But lucky we live in a free(ish) world so go with what your comfortable with x"

Hang on, I'm confused. Someone having theit pictures found on a swinger's site is a reason not to give I'D to a club? How is that even close to comparable?

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Well I think the point I was making was that they were outed as swingers, and as such the repercussions were unpleasant for them and their family. Does it matter how they were outed? In that case they were responsible for the outcome, The result would be the same if the contents of a database was accidentally or intentionally exposed for public viewing. And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

Be nice!

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Did you not read this bit?

"This could happen to you if your details are mishandled even by the most diligent

club administration."

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By *inglesCouple
over a year ago

Colchester

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

But I would view any of them accessing my social media as a form of verification as a massive invasion of privacy.

I’m not aware of any data protection issues with looking up someone’s public social media account, I have on a couple of occasions had concerns about an application. Those people have then gone on to become members. Their profiles public, and I’ve checked to see if the name given is a real person, that’s all. I haven’t ever contacted anyway through any other means other than the information they give on their application. My point was just that we do everything we can to ensure our members safety. I will of course in light of your comments refer back to the rules on data protection to ensure I haven’t done anything against them x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well I think the point I was making was that they were outed as swingers, and as such the repercussions were unpleasant for them and their family. Does it matter how they were outed? In that case they were responsible for the outcome, The result would be the same if the contents of a database was accidentally or intentionally exposed for public viewing. And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

Be nice! "

Of course it matters how they were outed, the 2 scenarios are totally incomparable. Choosing to put public pictures on a swinger's site has a risk, everyone knows that. It cannot be compared to the hypothetical hacking of a clubs members list which to the best of my knowledge has never actually happened in the UK.

I honestly think you are coming up with more and more outlandish scenarios to support your viewpoint regardless of whether they stand up to any sort of scrutiny. You are claiming that private members clubs sell their members details fir profit "all the time" - do you have anything to back that up with?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no problem with handling over ID to access clubs, I also have no problem with people knowing my lifestyle choices and I have no shame in having my face easily identifiable. Some of my pics are from Facebook and easy to find, if my account was still active. Anyone who ends up by my side will respect that or find themselves no longer with me.

I realise that not everyone, if anyone, else will be like me. And that is fine. But I would not enter a club that didn't carry out due diligence on it's membership because of the fact that I would be exposed to factors I have no control over.

For example, someone who is on the Sex Offenders Register might be a threat in a club and I would expect the establishment to identify them as such and either bar entry or at least revoke membership after discovery of the fact.

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over a year ago

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

But I would view any of them accessing my social media as a form of verification as a massive invasion of privacy.

But you've been given the information to proove identity. You have used the information in a way it was never intended fir or was never consented for.

Of course people sneakily check out people's socisl media for a variety of reasons (mainly curiousity) but trust me you are on thin ice doing so.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"But you've been given the information to proove identity. You have used the information in a way it was never intended fir or was never consented for.

Of course people sneakily check out people's socisl media for a variety of reasons (mainly curiousity) but trust me you are on thin ice doing so. "

Accessing publicly available information is not a crime of any sort. Employers do it all the time during the interview process to determine the suitability of candidates for the job. How many times have we heard in the news about person X having to quit or get fired because of social media posts from years ago? How do you think they were found? If it is public information, social media scrutiny to simply confirm someone is who they say they are is absolutely fine.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

It does not matter the method by which they were "Outed" the result would be the same however it happened, Public disgrace for them and their family.

I never for one minute accused any club of selling your personal private data, and if it sounded like I did please accept my apologies . And further more I have never heard of this happening.

The fact is they could do this, also more likely they could accidentally expose you by a moments carelessness and please dont say that cant happen, there are many examples of secret data left in the trash, or left on public transport, or even stolen in a car office or home raid.

It is obvious you feel very strongly that your personal data should be available to god knows who, and that is your decision, and I dont have a problem with your decision. I hope it goes well for you x

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over a year ago

I am still not sure it's the law if you are not selling alcohol.

I am also willing to bet that the vast majority of people think the same as me,

and do not want private details possibly

in the public domain for family and others to see.

I could be silly and challenge that if it's no problem why not post your details on here for all to see if you dont mind your family work and neighbours knowing, but I wont.

anyway my point is made agree disagree.

And it’s your choice not to attend a club that requires photo ID etc.

No, seriously, Are you saying I dont have to go to a club I'm not happy about sharing my personal information with? Well I'm very glad you told me because I would never have thought of that!"

Glad you’ve now realised, we all have choice!

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

OMG! I missed the post from a club owner who uses your private information to check your social media accounts!

If this does not frighten the shit out of you it should, It does me, Just imagine if your details get exposed and fall into the wrong hands, messages to all your contacts, the damage could be catastrophic and thats just for starters

Thank you god for giving me my sense of privacy!

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I am still not sure it's the law if you are not selling alcohol.

I am also willing to bet that the vast majority of people think the same as me,

and do not want private details possibly

in the public domain for family and others to see.

I could be silly and challenge that if it's no problem why not post your details on here for all to see if you dont mind your family work and neighbours knowing, but I wont.

anyway my point is made agree disagree.

And it’s your choice not to attend a club that requires photo ID etc.

No, seriously, Are you saying I dont have to go to a club I'm not happy about sharing my personal information with? Well I'm very glad you told me because I would never have thought of that!

Glad you’ve now realised, we all have choice! "

I dont remember saying anyone should not have a choice, Infact if you read the very first post I was advocating people should exercise that choice, not that they should be denied it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OMG! I missed the post from a club owner who uses your private information to check your social media accounts!

Thank you god for giving me my sense of privacy!"

Agreed this is wrong. They have every right to ask for ID proof etc but unless you have given specific permission for them to look you up then they are misusing your data. I think the excuse given was to check to see who they say they are, however that is the point of an ID check.

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

But I would view any of them accessing my social media as a form of verification as a massive invasion of privacy.

But you've been given the information to proove identity. You have used the information in a way it was never intended fir or was never consented for.

Of course people sneakily check out people's socisl media for a variety of reasons (mainly curiousity) but trust me you are on thin ice doing so. "

I would think that using information available within the public domain of the internet to validate an ID would be acceptable. If the photo was old & you were unsure if it were the same person, you’re checking to see if what’s available on the internet can shed some more light before you either say ‘no, sorry your ID isn’t good enough’ or ‘yes that’s fine, but wow don’t you look different now!’

The purpose of ID in a club is to ensure the safety of everyone in there & I certainly feel safer knowing it’s checked than on instances when it’s not!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never for one minute accused any club of selling your personal private data, and if it sounded like I did please accept my apologies . And further more I have never heard of this happening.

But you said, and I quote "it happens all the time'

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I recently applied to join a club on their website quite clearly stated photographic id required and proof of address I saw it as no problem took it along they have now stored it and given me a membership number.If you have a problem with providing photo id you may have a problem getting into some clubs in which case stick to a spa where they don't ask for id.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Accessing someone's publicly available social media information should pose no concern to anyone whatsoever. If it does, then it is up to the social media accountee to protect their accounts on issues that they want private. How many people post that they are going on holiday? You are inviting the world to burgle your home,or if private then your friends know!

I am not shouting from the rooftops that I do what I do but I will not lie or hide from it if someone asks. I will not impose my opinions or beliefs or lifestyle choices upon anyone but I will fiercely defend my rights to live how I see fit within the law.

Sure there is plenty I keep private. My health, my finances, my vehicle details, my life isn't displayed for everyone to see. But the fact that I choose to live how I do is of nobody's concern and if they make it their concern then I will not shy away from it and challenge them for the intrusion.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

In the very least it may help to identify your attacker after the fact, and it may even keep some from doing such a thing, but not all, because it is a well known fact most attackers are known to their victims. So do you still think being on a database will protect you?

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"Accessing someone's publicly available social media information should pose no concern to anyone whatsoever. If it does, then it is up to the social media accountee to protect their accounts on issues that they want private. How many people post that they are going on holiday? You are inviting the world to burgle your home,or if private then your friends know!

Just out of interest, who is intruding into your decisions?

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

"really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Let me answer that with another question. What if a person with fake ID (or no ID) enters a club under the pretence of wanting to swing & was actually a journalist doing an expose for The Sun or some similar gutter publication. Your safe from being on a list but your face is on the front of a Sunday tabloid. But yeah, at least you’re not on a list.

What if someone in Fab has made an explicit threat that they will track you down to a particular club on a particular nightbecause you’ve said no to them? How will you feel safe playing in there if they can’t be prevented from entering?

What if an altercation does arise? Does the aggressor feel safe in his ability to assault or verbally attack people knowing he is anonymous? Would he think twice if his validated name & address were logged with the club?

I get that you have a strong feeling about your anonymity. That’s your choice. My choice is to remain safe & IMO the clubs taking ID are providing that as well as adhering to the laws around private members clubs & licenced premises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Just out of interest, who is intruding into your decisions?"

I haven't said anyone is, I was conjecturing on the consequences of someone trying to do so simply because I had given my ID to a club for instance regarding the concerns you have with giving your own ID.

We have a different opinion and that is absolutely healthy, life would be boring if everyone agreed. I am confident that we won't be in the same club and that is fine also. Everyone is different, that's what humans are.

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over a year ago

"Let me answer that with another question. What if a person with fake ID (or no ID) enters a club under the pretence of wanting to swing & was actually a journalist doing an expose for The Sun or some similar gutter publication.......

A reporter for The Guardian was very recently in a club doing an article about a BMFC night. The whole thing was very opinionated and definitely not neutral. I often wonder if the people she was talking with and basically interviewing knew she was a journalist.

It happens.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Mr Stag has presented some valid and sensible arguments for the ID of party goers.

I will not present a rebuttal here as I think they are covered in my previous posts.

However the social media question still scares the hell out of me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although most of the scene / people are well behaved it’s reassuring to most to know that if anything did ever go wrong (ie someone was sexual assaulted for instance) we have everyone’s details.

More and more clubs are now asking as more are becoming legal and above board, which also means they have fire safety, insurance etc which are all there to protect you.

Given the choice I personally would much prefer a safe club which works hard to look after its members so I don’t think I’ll be giving these clubs ‘the flick’ lol

what if they give you fake details

like fake identity or address what do you do

But I would view any of them accessing my social media as a form of verification as a massive invasion of privacy.

But you've been given the information to proove identity. You have used the information in a way it was never intended fir or was never consented for.

Of course people sneakily check out people's socisl media for a variety of reasons (mainly curiousity) but trust me you are on thin ice doing so.

The purpose of ID in a club is to ensure the safety of everyone in there & I certainly feel safer knowing it’s checked than on instances when it’s not!! "

No the DOA is pretty specific in that the information can only be used for what the person providing ot would reasonably expect. If I provide a copy of my ID to join a club, I don't think it;s anywhere close to reasonable for them to then use that information to check me out on social media. There is also a need to be transparent about how you use the information that is held so if you state it's for proof of ID that is all it is for

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

"really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Totally agree "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see a problem showing ID if you got nothing to hide and you respect the word NO there should be no issues over it but then if something did go wrong and say some lady did get hurt or man and you could be a vital witness surely you would help the police or if there is a fire and you was trapped at least your name would be on a roll call

Personally I would feel safer showing ID and getting proper membership

I no I'm a thick, balls for brains single man but I like to play in a safe environment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't want my details locked in a cupboard.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Got to weigh this one up really. There is a concern about your data being on file and it potentially being stolen. It is like any other place in that respect. Obviously the nature of the club means there is the potential for embarrasment unlike at the library. On the flip side stopping underage entry and ensuring a safe environment is a positive. That tips it for me I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recently visited a swingers club in Manchester for the first time and was asked for my id which i showed them, they then proceeded to make a copy of it which made me feel uneasy, like someone mentioned earlier you can check but don't make copies, don't see the point, if it were for fire safety purposes, I'm certain knowing the number of people in the building is the aim not their addresses, I stand to be corrected

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

I'd the Club is classed as a private members Club then it has to keep records of members by law in the U.K.

Checkout the Club's rules before going, if the rules say they will keep records then you know what to expect.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"I wouldn't want my details locked in a cupboard. "

Where would you like them kept? If the Club is classed as a private members then legally it has to keep records.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't see a problem showing ID if you got nothing to hide and you respect the word NO there should be no issues over it but then if something did go wrong and say some lady did get hurt or man and you could be a vital witness surely you would help the police or if there is a fire and you was trapped at least your name would be on a roll call

Personally I would feel safer showing ID and getting proper membership

I no I'm a thick, balls for brains single man but I like to play in a safe environment "

Absolutely this. It's about safety, if you were assaulted in a club then the person can be identified and traced.

My boyfriend and I have a couples membership and I find the ID process reassuring tbh.

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

"Got to weigh this one up really. There is a concern about your data being on file and it potentially being stolen. It is like any other place in that respect. Obviously the nature of the club means there is the potential for embarrasment unlike at the library. On the flip side stopping underage entry and ensuring a safe environment is a positive. That tips it for me I think."

Assumption is the fat mother of all fuck-ups. Who told you there is no potential for embarrassment at the library?! You have no idea what an inventive mind can conjure in a library.

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By *dores blackmenWoman
over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)

I went to liberty elite for my first time on Friday, I was on a guestlist so filled out a guest form,and showed my driving licence,they keep information so if I visit again in the future,my details are there

I don't find this unusual nowadays of well run members clubs,I went to a club for 5 years never needed to show my ID once,anyone could just walk in off the street

The clubs don't contact you (unless you add to a there email system),it's all about rules of being a members club by the authorities .safety and knowing who is in the building

It is all very confidential and some clubs can't run without this rule

I'm not going to keep to clubs with no ID as it's rare to find one without,so I will miss out on some fantastic places

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Here are a few of my previous postings in case you missed them.

Safety.

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Reporters at a BMFC night.

Reporters have an ID as well so unless you check their payslips you dont know who they work for.

Fire safety.

Easy a simple register of people in the club. You know who is in and out.

Age.

Easy Show your ID. no need for a copy.

There really is no need to put your details on a database. The advantages are few but the disadvantages are huge.

I suspect the only reason they want your private details are for marketing purposes, and one accidental or deliberate release to the public could ruin your life. If you go back and read my posts you will find an example.

I never thought of it but one club owner states that they check your social media accounts! Does this not put the fear of god into you? Can you imagine some of the implications now of being on a data base of a sex club? Do you think a newspaper could not hack into a club database? Do think that the famous fat bloke who sits at his PC all day and night in his mothers back bedroom could not do it?

What about the people who state it's only all on paper? Could it be stolen from the office/home/car or somewhere?

Then what?

I know whats coming. "I have nothing to hide and I dont care who knows"

Good for you, I'm pleased for you.

The thing is, Lots of people have friends, work and children, They would much prefer that side of life to remain private and I can say with absolute certainty going on a database of a sexclub is a risk. I promise you one day

one of these data bases are going to go public, Your name address and phone number will be splashed all over the internet as happened to a couple of dating websites in the past.

Good luck with that!

Licenced clubs. Yes I do believe if a club sells alcohol they should have a list of members. BUT not if they dont!

remember SELLS alcohol.

Going on a database does not make you safer. It wont save you from reporters,

There is nothing in it for YOU. Clubs yes.

One last thing...I have no problem showing ID, I have no problem with giving my "Special email address" for clubs to contact me if they want.

Be careful out there xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here are a few of my previous postings in case you missed them.

Safety.

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Reporters at a BMFC night.

Reporters have an ID as well so unless you check their payslips you dont know who they work for.

Fire safety.

Easy a simple register of people in the club. You know who is in and out.

Age.

Easy Show your ID. no need for a copy.

There really is no need to put your details on a database. The advantages are few but the disadvantages are huge.

What about the people who state it's only all on paper? Could it be stolen from the office/home/car or somewhere?

Then what?

I know whats coming. "I have nothing to hide and I dont care who knows"

Good for you, I'm pleased for you.

one of these data bases are going to go public, Your name address and phone number will be splashed all over the internet as happened to a couple of dating websites in the past.

Good luck with that!

Licenced clubs. Yes I do believe if a club sells alcohol they should have a list of members. BUT not if they dont!

remember SELLS alcohol.

Going on a database does not make you safer. It wont save you from reporters,

There is nothing in it for YOU. Clubs yes.

One last thing...I have no problem showing ID, I have no problem with giving my "Special email address" for clubs to contact me if they want.

Be careful out there xx"

If a club is a private members club, which some of them are, then by definition they need to keep a membership list and require ID to join.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Just suppose you are correct and a properly organised private members club has to keep a list of members by law even if they do not sell alcohol. (I'm not sure about this as once looked into it) but anyway...

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx

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By *apascouseMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

If it is acceptavle for a government agent to leave millions of national insurance, DWP and extremely sensitive benefits information on a punlic train i n a red HMP branded briefcase then why do you worry, if someone wants to find you they will no matter the protection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just suppose you are correct and a properly organised private members club has to keep a list of members by law even if they do not sell alcohol. (I'm not sure about this as once looked into it) but anyway...

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx"

Personally I prefer a private members club where membership is controlled rather than a club like Rios where anybody who pays the admittance fee on the day is let in.

Somewhere like Rios also allows mobile phones in the sun lounger area. Private members clubs ban mobiles from use at all o the club premises.

At the end of the day you make the choice as to which club you prefer.

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By *apascouseMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx

Personally I prefer a private members club where membership is controlled rather than a club like Rios where anybody who pays the admittance fee on the day is let in.

Somewhere like Rios also allows mobile phones in the sun lounger area. Private members clubs ban mobiles from use at all o the club premises.

At the end of the day you make the choice as to which club you prefer. "

Not all some memebers club allow them in the reception area but are extremely vigilant about everywhere else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx

Personally I prefer a private members club where membership is controlled rather than a club like Rios where anybody who pays the admittance fee on the day is let in.

Somewhere like Rios also allows mobile phones in the sun lounger area. Private members clubs ban mobiles from use at all o the club premises.

At the end of the day you make the choice as to which club you prefer.

Not all some memebers club allow them in the reception area but are extremely vigilant about everywhere else "

Yes in reception area where they are supervised and members are clothed.

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By *ootballFlowerCouple
over a year ago

Ollerton

All 3 of the clubs we have attended have asked for ID, none of them have copied\scanned the documents but we have filled out the membership forms with our contact details on. Not once have we received any unsolicited marketing as a result.

Whilst our swinging life is for us and we dont share the information we accept that someday someone may find out, its a risk we have to accept. This site posses as much of a risk to your identity as a membership form filled out at a club.

If people are so fearful of being their habits found out think about this: Nearly every single one of us carries a personal traceable identity device with us at all times. It pin points our movements to within a few feet most of the time. Even if GPS is disabled it can still be tracked and located to within a reasonable area. So when you depart from home to head for a club at what point do you turn off your mobile phone as this is more likely to be the source of you being found out than a club breaching the DPA.

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By *apascouseMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx

Personally I prefer a private members club where membership is controlled rather than a club like Rios where anybody who pays the admittance fee on the day is let in.

Somewhere like Rios also allows mobile phones in the sun lounger area. Private members clubs ban mobiles from use at all o the club premises.

At the end of the day you make the choice as to which club you prefer.

Not all some memebers club allow them in the reception area but are extremely vigilant about everywhere else

Yes in reception area where they are supervised and members are clothed."

Exactly i seen a man where it literally lit up in his pocket and they made him go in reception and leave it with the staff

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Yes it is a personal decision and you go with what suits you best. I was really only trying to make people think of the implications of giving away your personal information. It is so common to be asked for it nowadays that it comes as second nature, you just go it, But there could be a price to pay, thats all I'm saying.

I have been to Rio's and well, thats a difficult one. Anyone who's been there knows (No more comment on Rio's!)

But I was once in another famous spa near Heathrow and a guy was using his mobile. I asked him to put it away, he refused, I reported him and he was asked to leave.

And that is an example to all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes it is a personal decision and you go with what suits you best. I was really only trying to make people think of the implications of giving away your personal information. It is so common to be asked for it nowadays that it comes as second nature, you just go it, But there could be a price to pay, thats all I'm saying.

I have been to Rio's and well, thats a difficult one. Anyone who's been there knows (No more comment on Rio's!)

But I was once in another famous spa near Heathrow and a guy was using his mobile. I asked him to put it away, he refused, I reported him and he was asked to leave.

And that is an example to all."

It’s good that the heathrow spa asked him to leave. They are a well run club. We have been to Rios once and won’t be going back, but again it’s personal choice.

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

OP, I think this is an ‘agreed to disagree’ scenario. Where you see conspiracy, many of us see safety & regulatory requirements.

Whether people agree or not, you have the right to choose to keep your details private & not go to clubs asking for ID. You also have the right to your opinion.

In my opinion, your points have all been asked & answered. You also have the right to disregard those answers if you want to.

I have the right to disregard your conspiracy theory that all clubs are unscrupulous and/or vulnerable to hackers and/or careless with printed data.

Don’t like clubs taking ID? Simple - don’t go.

But you shouldn’t slate other people for their choices and you shouldn’t try to to denigrate the integrity of the club owners across the UK who work hard to provide places we can go & enjoy - unless you have some real evidence of wrongdoing.

Bad form, OP. Very bad form.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

regarding the mobile phone issue, yes it is possible to be tracked even if you turn the feature off, There is a google page which shows everywhere you have been. you can go there and delete the history if you want, If it's not enabled they say they dont track you...right.

Did you know that if your car has sat nav fitted such as on star or similar you are tracked.

My car has a button you can press if involved in an accident, or call service or 999. If you press the button, the operator gives you your location, exactly, you are tracked.

I dont think the implications or them knowing your a club are likely problems you could just be parking nearbye.

I once had a business website, They had software that could pinpoint your location practically to the street level if you clicked on the site so I'm sure most websites could do this if they wanted.

All this goes to show how vulnerable you are

Take care out there xx

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

My god Morticia,

Show me one example of the things your accusing me of!

I have not slagged off one person or club owner in this entire thread. I have listened to peoples views and answered them politely.

I have not accused any club owner of underhand practices, and have stated that it could happen or be by accident or malicious intent by a third party.

I have also stated that I have never heard of this happening...YET.

If you have strong views on giving your information away then do it, I dont care what you do.

Really !

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I never normally let myself get dragged down to gutter levels..That would be bad form!

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

Why make it a private members club?

Why not just carry on as most"clubs" do?

without the need for intrusive desire

for your private and personal details?

I repeat again there is nothing in it for you.

Wondering how many of the posters are connected to a "Private members club" lol

Keep safe out there xx"

In the UK if you only serve alcohol that someone has bought to the Club you still need a license.

Since your profile says Houston maybe American laws are different as is the legal drinking age. Why worry about English laws?

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

We are AmeriBrits and still spend a lot of time in the UK.

You are wrong 100%.

Have you not been to BYOB Restaurant?

There is one Indian place just down the road from me, And they dont demand all my private information when they pour me a beer. (That I supplied)

Nationality or place of residence makes no difference, we live in a connected world!

Keep on staying safe out there xx

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

"My god Morticia,

Show me one example of the things your accusing me of!

One example? Maybe your original post accusing clubs of selling their data list of clients?

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"We are AmeriBrits and still spend a lot of time in the UK.

You are wrong 100%.

Have you not been to BYOB Restaurant?

There is one Indian place just down the road from me, And they dont demand all my private information when they pour me a beer. (That I supplied)

Nationality or place of residence makes no difference, we live in a connected world!

Keep on staying safe out there xx"

So have you proof they sold your data? As I said they served your alcohol so they need to be licensed.

If you paid by card that information is more likely to be passed on at some stage, not necessarily by the Club or restaurant you went to.

If you are so paranoid don't use a mobile, tablet, computer or any electronic card. They can all be spied on more easily than a written membership application form.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I hate to be pedantic Morticia, But It was a hypothetical question on why the need for a database, If you read the whole thread you may get an idea of my thinking for example I stated that the only reason I can see for a database is for marketing purposes. If you read the thread you will see my polite answers to posted points.

There is no need for combative stance, it's all for entertainment and fun lol

Keep on keeping safe out there xx

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"We are AmeriBrits and still spend a lot of time in the UK.

You are wrong 100%.

Have you not been to BYOB Restaurant?

There is one Indian place just down the road from me, And they dont demand all my private information when they pour me a beer. (That I supplied)

Nationality or place of residence makes no difference, we live in a connected world!

Keep on staying safe out there xx

So have you proof they sold your data? As I said they served your alcohol so they need to be licensed.

If you paid by card that information is more likely to be passed on at some stage, not necessarily by the Club or restaurant you went to.

If you are so paranoid don't use a mobile, tablet, computer or any electronic card. They can all be spied on more easily than a written membership application form. "

LOL is that the best you can do?

What has that got to with a data base which could be compromised somehow and lead to embarasment ?

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

Again if you read the thread you will see I have pointed out many times I have not heard of this happening....YET.

Keep up the good work XX

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

So all of this thread is about something that you have not witnessed or heard of yet seem paranoid about happening.

As I said much more likely to happen elsewhere.

Stop worrying about it and either go to your chosen Club or don't.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Lets go round again..da da de dah!

So as I said before...No it has not happened yet.

Will a database of sex club patrons be cracked one day? extremely likely.

How many sex websites have been hacked

and their database of users revealed

quite a few, please dont ask me to prove it, ask around or look it up.

And thank you informing me I dont have to go to these clubs because as I already said, I would never have thought of that!

And by the way you never explained why BYOB places dont need a licence but these clubs do? very strange isn't it?

So go on tell me your version of the law again..and why a BYOB restaurant does not need a license to serve you your own alcohol yet other places do.

And just out of interest, Why are you so keen to promote the needless collection of personal data? Is there a reason for that?

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Lets go round again..da da de dah!

So as I said before...No it has not happened yet.

Will a database of sex club patrons be cracked one day? extremely likely.

How many sex websites have been hacked

and their database of users revealed

quite a few, please dont ask me to prove it, ask around or look it up.

And thank you informing me I dont have to go to these clubs because as I already said, I would never have thought of that!

And by the way you never explained why BYOB places dont need a licence but these clubs do? very strange isn't it?

So go on tell me your version of the law again..and why a BYOB restaurant does not need a license to serve you your own alcohol yet other places do.

And just out of interest, Why are you so keen to promote the needless collection of personal data? Is there a reason for that?

It's already been said that it is not needless, it is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT for a Private members Club. WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

You are on FabSwingers, have you questioned what happens with is data? Facebook, Microsoft, government databases, banks. Hackers tend to be after the data of millions of people.

If you are so worried about the issue don't go to law abiding, legally run Clubs.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Lets go round again..da da de dah!

So as I said before...No it has not happened yet.

Will a database of sex club patrons be cracked one day? extremely likely.

How many sex websites have been hacked

and their database of users revealed

quite a few, please dont ask me to prove it, ask around or look it up.

And thank you informing me I dont have to go to these clubs because as I already said, I would never have thought of that!

And by the way you never explained why BYOB places dont need a licence but these clubs do? very strange isn't it?

So go on tell me your version of the law again..and why a BYOB restaurant does not need a license to serve you your own alcohol yet other places do.

And just out of interest, Why are you so keen to promote the needless collection of personal data? Is there a reason for that?

They point is that the restaurant DOES need a license to serve you your own alcohol. Businesses can be fined if they are not licensed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

" And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

From Yahoo answers:

UK Alcohol licencing question - Does 'bring your own alcohol' require a licence?

Does a UK Establishment such as a restaurant which allows customers to 'bring your own alcohol' require a licence?

Best Answer: No it does not. The whole idea of 'bring your own' is that the restaurant or whetever, does NOT have a licence for one reason or another. This could be for several reasons, such as the licence application may not have been processed yet, or they have been refused a licence, or thay simply may have no wish to bother with the red tape involved, especially if they are a small concern.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time."

Supermarket loyalty card, mobile phone firms, banks. Companies with millions of peoples details. Anything online that is easy to transfer. Sony Playstation users had accounts hacked because their were millions of them.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"From Yahoo answers:

UK Alcohol licencing question - Does 'bring your own alcohol' require a licence?

Does a UK Establishment such as a restaurant which allows customers to 'bring your own alcohol' require a licence?

As has been pointed out quite a few time on this thread the requirements to keep a record of members is to do with clubs wanting to be private members clubs and nothing to do with having an alcohol license.

The rules are the same for golf clubs, tennis clubs or any other club which wants to restrict its membership.

I for one have no problem with showing my driving licence to a club in order to be a member.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time.

Yes I'm glad you agree that your information if on a database is open to misuse due to hacking, accidental exposure or god knows what! The thing is we all know these risks and choose if want a supermarket loyalty card, or whatever.

The thing is with a sex club membership you are open to severe embarrassment rather than someone finding out what type of beans you buy.

Although my opening post was somewhat aggressive (Post in haste, regret at leisure) My point is to make people see that being on this type of database carries personal risks, and that for the majority of venues is totally unecessary, your not safer, there is no advantages only risk. Other than licenced premises you do not have to give your private information, it's only the club asking you to do so. It seems many people dont mind the risk and fair play to them, I dont care But they should give it some thought before handing over the goods.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time.

The thing is with a sex club membership you are open to severe embarrassment rather than someone finding out what type of beans you buy.

But you are still missing the whole point!

If the Club is to remain legal they have to keep certain records by law. As with any other business they also have to adhere Data protection laws.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

I'm not commenting on the ID as I can't be arsed getting into the argument and everyone has their view, which is cool. BUT as a licensee, i must jump in on the BYOB.

A venue which allows you to bring your own alcohol actually needs a licence IF THEY SERVE IT TO YOU. They can store it for you and put it on the bar/table with a glass but you must pour it yourself. If the bar tender pours your drink for you, then a licence is needed. It's bloody petty but that is the licensing law. Most places will serve your alcohol and not realise the actual law surrounding this...until the day someone from licensing is in the venue and they are caught and fined.

I am pedantic with licensing law...it's my 'thing'. Sorry to be completely anal! hahaha

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

No I'm not missing any point.

venues can be legal without having a database of attendees.

They only need a members list if they SELL alcohol.

Are you saying all the places that dont want your life history are illegal?

from my research it seems local councils have to grant some sort of licence or permission for a building to be used in this way, for any social activity, so all the venues must have this permission and yet they dont all want your life history so are acting against the law? I dont think so.

* You can not change the use of an industrial unit or office etc. without permission from the local authority.

I took the time to research the laws on BYOB and proved you wrong. You do the research and prove me wrong on this point. or I will!

I would like to ask you once again, are you connected to a club? in any way?

and if so, would that club be collecting personal info for their database?

this is an exciting thread, popcorn anyone..lol

Keep safe out there xx

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"I'm not commenting on the ID as I can't be arsed getting into the argument and everyone has their view, which is cool. BUT as a licensee, i must jump in on the BYOB.

I am pedantic with licensing law...it's my 'thing'. Sorry to be completely anal! hahaha "

You seem to know what your talking about I bow to your knowledge and will make sure I pour my own next time!

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

out of interest I too have a licence as was an assistant manager of a large supermarket, but of course ours was all

"Of premises" so dont know the finer points of on premise law.

If you went in the staff room sometimes..it was not all off premise..lol

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"out of interest I too have a licence as was an assistant manager of a large supermarket, but of course ours was all

"Of premises" so dont know the finer points of on premise law.

If you went in the staff room sometimes..it was not all off premise..lol"

The off licence law is a bit complicated but you can have private areas within a licensed premises where the law does not apply. Think of a pub which has an alcohol licence until 11pm. All sales to customers must stop at this time. But then the licensee lives onsite and once the doors are closed to the public, the premises becomes their home and they can consume alcohol in their private areas. The supermarket would have private staff areas which are not bound by the same licensing laws as it's a private area.

It's a bit of a minefield really but if you run a business, you need to know the fine detail and the licensing guys are a great help if you work with them. Anyway...I digress! xx

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Yes true.

I was suckered by mr Kinkyman, he did actually say if they pour drink they need a licence,so he was right in what he said.

I dont think he was acting in the "spirit"

of the thread ..lol

Sneaky mr kinkyman..lmfo

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

This is like fabswingers forum users talking to one very stubborn lady.

Several people have explained their reasons for attending private members club's that comply with the law and have records of customers kept safely AS REQUIRED BY LAW because they are PRIVATE MEMBERS clubs. Nothing to do with being your own alcohol.

It feels safe, knowing the club owners can trace people and there are not random people who just turn up on the night without taking ID with them.

Fire safety . Major fire or disaster great to know who is there and the ability to give details to the hospital etc.

Knowledge the club sticks to regulations and laws makes people feel more comfortable, that it will be a well run club, where people are more likely to behave appropriately or they could be banned.

But if the OP wants to carry on with her one woman crusade ....thats fine. Everyone else will disagree. Can't say that I have noticed anyone else on your wavelength OP.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"out of interest I too have a licence as was an assistant manager of a large supermarket, but of course ours was all

"Of premises" so dont know the finer points of on premise law.

If you went in the staff room sometimes..it was not all off premise..lol

It's a bit of a minefield really but if you run a business, you need to know the fine detail and the licensing guys are a great help if you work with them. Anyway...I digress! xx"

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe it is complicated.

I have even heard hairdressers can be fined for giving customers a drink of wine while they wait to be seen!

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

"out of interest I too have a licence as was an assistant manager of a large supermarket, but of course ours was all

"Of premises" so dont know the finer points of on premise law.

If you went in the staff room sometimes..it was not all off premise..lol

It's a bit of a minefield really but if you run a business, you need to know the fine detail and the licensing guys are a great help if you work with them. Anyway...I digress! xx

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe it is complicated.

I have even heard hairdressers can be fined for giving customers a drink of wine while they wait to be seen! "
or play the radio without a licence

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

hello Lizzy.

Well if you go back there are a few who agree with me and if you have some time why not read through the whole thread and you will see all your points have been covered.

Do you think I should slink off to some corner and lick my wounds?

Or do you think it is better to stand up for what I believe in and hopefully make one person think before they give all their information to some "club" which could result in a personal disaster if that information became public?

If you read through I have posted about a couple that had a life changing moment due to being outed as swingers, with repercussions for their family.

you will also see where I report that databases of sex orientated websites have been hacked and personal details exposed for the world to see.

you will also see my thesis for why giving your details does not make you safer.

You also can see why there is no legal requirement for clubs to collect your personal data, with one exception.

also you can see why there are no advantages to you, only risks.

"clubs" may benefit with marketing type activities. No advantages to you...None!

If I can answer any questions for you that have not already been covered, please feel free to ask.

Keep safe out there, and enjoy the thread xx

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By *orticiaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

"out of interest I too have a licence as was an assistant manager of a large supermarket, but of course ours was all

"Of premises" so dont know the finer points of on premise law.

If you went in the staff room sometimes..it was not all off premise..lol

It's a bit of a minefield really but if you run a business, you need to know the fine detail and the licensing guys are a great help if you work with them. Anyway...I digress! xx

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe it is complicated.

I have even heard hairdressers can be fined for giving customers a drink of wine while they wait to be seen! "

Yes, they are now supposed to be licenced to offer alcohol, even though it’s complimentary rather than sold, as it’s considered ‘part of the package’. You’re gonna need a licence to sell wine gums soon!

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

yes Morticia you are right, If they give you alcohol.

I once worked for a Japanese company and every Friday we had a party with plenty of company supplied alcohol.

They had to stop it due to what you are talking about. shame!

However if you bring the alcohol, serve yourself, it's all good!

Keep on keeping on being safe out there XX

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I have be following the thread with some amazement, that you ignore what people are telling you. In fact , this is the 6th time I have commented on your post.

Suggesting club's keeping people's details is for their benefit is inappropriate. It has been explained to you several times. I was trying to summarise what has been discussed, to save people reading through everything.

But , if you think that club owners are going to keep papers in a brown envelope and keep it in an unlocked car; or keep a database on a computer without any safety data protection procedures, then I also would be concerned. I have teenage children, who I want to protect . But I go to club's that I trust to be run safely and within the law .

Therefore, thanks for the warning, but I am fine giving my information to club owners.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Lizzie,

I have no problem what so ever with what you decide to do, or your reasons for doing it.

It's a free(ish) world.

sorry if I missed some of your posts.

But honestly, and think about it, If you give over your data are you at risk?

brown paper envelopes aside, there are many ways already discussed where your data is at risk. If you dont give out your data the risk is minimised.

As I have stated before there are no advantages to you. if you dont agree with any point please put it to me, I will either rebut your argument or agree with you if you are right.

This is no slur on any poster but I find it hard to get my head around people who are arguing for their personal and private information to be put at risk. especially on a sex oriented way.

Anyway, keep safe and have fun xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please point out to me where I have said they sold my data?

You said it yeasterday

And dont think your valuable details could not be sold for profit, it happens all the time.

yes many businesses sell your data on, thats how you get spam mail and calls.

and so, it does happen all the time.

The thing is with a sex club membership you are open to severe embarrassment rather than someone finding out what type of beans you buy.

But you are still missing the whole point!

If the Club is to remain legal they have to keep certain records by law. As with any other business they also have to adhere Data protection laws. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the fact that the clubs I go to ask for ID. If there is a major problem or issue they have traceability.

If you have nothing to hide then you should have a problem.

Nothing to hide as in, I am not a serial killer, yes. I am not a bank robber, yes. Not the worry is not about such things.

Your boss calls you for a chat and shows you the tale of the tape and actually points out to you that based on xyz, .....

Based on xyz, you can no longer be accepted on the board of whatever.

Based on xyz, we have to let you go.

Based on xyz, you cannot become director of .....etc.

I think this is what the bottom line is as far as concerns are concerned.

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By *FFB69Woman
over a year ago

Torfaen/Gwent

And I thought Fab might be the one place that didn’t have conspiracy nutjobs.

You’re so worried about your personal details being “hacked” from a club data base... yet have your details on Fab. If someone was going to hack to embarrass people, they’d go after Fab which has pictures and personal details. Over a club which has someone’s name and address.

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By *eADevilCouple
over a year ago

Blantyre

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By *eADevilCouple
over a year ago

Blantyre

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

You do if you hold specific data...."

Rubbish i can secretly record a conversation on a phone for my own reference purposes without telling the other person. Im now a data controller as i recorded it. I CANNOT reveal that conversation to anyone else BUT i certainly dont need to register with any agency, government or other.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

I know this is only a silly internet forum and a bit of entertainment but actually anyone who keeps a records must register with the data protection act.

The penalties are severe.

And as a knowledgeable poster wrote it can only be used for the purpose it is intended for. So the club that checks your social media pages is breaking the law as this poster attested.

Look it up:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/

You even need to register for a domestic CCTV system, Who would have thought it!

Conspiracy nutjob eh..

For stating the fact that if you are on a database, you are at risk of that database being breached. With all the horrors that could entail.

If you are not on a sexclub database you are not at risk!

That is not a conspiracy by definition.

Good Morning and stay safe XX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

You do if you hold specific data....

This is the data protection law:

If you hold and process personal information about your clients, employees or suppliers, you are legally obliged to protect that information. Under the Data Protection Act, you must:

only collect information that you need for a specific purpose;

keep it secure;

ensure it is relevant and up to date;

only hold as much as you need, and only for as long as you need it; and

allow the subject of the information to see it on request.

And you must register.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

If you are an organisation handling any form of personal data you have to be registered with the Information Commisioners office in the UK.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/"

This only applies if the personal data is stored electronically - organisations that keep paper records are exempt from notification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

If you are an organisation handling any form of personal data you have to be registered with the Information Commisioners office in the UK.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/

This only applies if the personal data is stored electronically - organisations that keep paper records are exempt from notification."

Not strictly true I’m afraid. If the information is structured and can be accessed, or processed in any way then although it’s a grey area may well fall into the realms of the act.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

If anyone is interested, you can check if your club is registered with ICO as there is a public register you can search.

If your club holds personal data on a database or in an ordered file, i.e. alphabetical or numeric, then they should be registered and abide by the data protection guidelines. This is a fee for clubs to register and you are tested on your data protection policies and procedures

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"If anyone is interested, you can check if your club is registered with ICO as there is a public register you can search.

Actually You can search on the link I provided, I was going to put a few clubs names in to check, But that would be mean.

However if they are holding your data, It would be prudent to check.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also you dont register for data protection, it's the law covering everybody.

If you are an organisation handling any form of personal data you have to be registered with the Information Commisioners office in the UK.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/"

Actually not entirely true. If you run through the eligibility tool on the site there are a number of scenarios that do not require registration.

However, with DPGR coming in very soon, that may change.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Thanks

The last few posts have been excellent,

you can have a debate with people who know what they are talking about or take the time to find out before posting.

I have been accused of "Having it in" for club organisers,Nothing could be further than the truth, I have been to loads of clubs and have only met one that I thought was "Dodgy"

the vast majority do an excellent job, and I think some of them do it for the fun and pleasure of it and not to make money. Who could be against that?

I would think carefully before I started making a database if i ran a club, Who wants the hassle of registering for this and that, all the paperwork and red tape. Suppose you are running it for fun, the next thing will be HMRC knocking at your door, Then you will have to prepare accounts and all sorts of things. (I was once asked to prepare accounts for a school PTA! They could not afford an accountant) I am not an accountant. so declined.

Keep safe X

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

"Thanks

The last few posts have been excellent,

you can have a debate with people who know what they are talking about or take the time to find out before posting

Oh. So people who have been attending clubs for a number of years and have been to a fair number of clubs here and abroad cannot have a worthwhile opinion ?

Having an account on fabswingers with photos on show is more risky than having your name and address on a bit of paper in a locked cabinet in a swingers club.

Please stop referring to them as a SEX club. There is a big difference. !

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

Ok Lizzie I will stop refering to them as sex clubs.

Now of course anyone can have an opinion,

But it is just that an opinion.

Some posters have been posting well thought out facts, and not opinions.

you have been stating your opinion on the laws of private members clubs, Unfortunately your opinions are wrong.

a private members club is just that: A club for it's members run by it's members it must have a chairman and a committee of it's members that make the rules. Do you think the clubs you go to are still "Private members clubs"?

I refer you to the law societies website.

A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality.

The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee.

That is what i mean about the level of this debate. Check your facts before posting opinions as facts!

Have a nice day! XX

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

My name is LIZZY

Get your facts right

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

"My name is LIZZY

Get your facts right

Yes I agree your name is Lizzy. I stand corrected

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

It is a requirement of our adult license with the local authority that we take and record ID.

We are also glad that we do take ID as it protects everybody who attends.

We never admit in any circumstances anyone who doesn't produce ID.

We are fully and properly registered with ICO our registration code is detailed on our website for anyone to see and check. It has been from the day we opened.

I personally wouldn't wish to attend a swingers club without showing ID and we have been in this industry for more than 10 years.

You don't wish to show ID - your choice. Don't go.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

Extensive ID is intrusive and provides mainly the illusion of security.

Security should be a separate concern and managed as such and clubs do very well in this regard.

Verify age as above minimum. Record name and town, photo potentially too (which will be in addition to CCTV images taken and stored for some time). There shouldn't need to be much, if anything, more than this. A photo check on entry would reconfirm a person's ID and membership validity. With a simple logging of who's in and out should satisfy fire and other safety concerns.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"It is a requirement of our adult license with the local authority that we take and record ID.

We are also glad that we do take ID as it protects everybody who attends.

We never admit in any circumstances anyone who doesn't produce ID.

We are fully and properly registered with ICO our registration code is detailed on our website for anyone to see and check. It has been from the day we opened.

I personally wouldn't wish to attend a swingers club without showing ID and we have been in this industry for more than 10 years.

You don't wish to show ID - your choice. Don't go.

Would I be correct in thinking that the conditions for getting a license to operate can vary depending on which local authority is issuing the license?

I know that some local authorities will not grant a license at all for a swingers club, Nottingham is one that won't.

If it is stipulated by the local authority as terms of your license that would explain why some clubs take copies of your ID and others don't if their local authority doesn't require it.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Would I be correct in thinking that the conditions for getting a license to operate can vary depending on which local authority is issuing the license?

I know that some local authorities will not grant a license at all for a swingers club, Nottingham is one that won't.

If it is stipulated by the local authority as terms of your license that would explain why some clubs take copies of your ID and others don't if their local authority doesn't require it."

Hi there,

Absolutely. Local authorities choose their own criteria within set boundaries. Ours see's it from a perspective of Adult Protection.

There are many Local Authorities that won't issue an Adult License for Swingers Clubs Lap-Dancing Bars etc.

It would explain why some don't take it - for us however I think that we would still wish to take it even if we were not required to.

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By *rs White OP Couple
over a year ago

South

slightly off topic but good to know,

In the US hotels typically copy your ID and even both sides of your credit card!

And whats worse is that data protection is poor.

The way to protect yourself is to go to Walmart and by a pre loaded card with enough credit for your trip, that way in the event of fraud you dont lose everything.

Also I show an old out of state ID so it's useless for fraud purposes.

You have to protect yourself the best you can

Keep safe xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is a requirement of our adult license with the local authority that we take and record ID.

We are also glad that we do take ID as it protects everybody who attends.

We never admit in any circumstances anyone who doesn't produce ID.

We are fully and properly registered with ICO our registration code is detailed on our website for anyone to see and check. It has been from the day we opened.

I personally wouldn't wish to attend a swingers club without showing ID and we have been in this industry for more than 10 years.

You don't wish to show ID - your choice. Don't go.

This is the proper way to run a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"slightly off topic but good to know,

In the US hotels typically copy your ID and even both sides of your credit card!

And whats worse is that data protection is poor.

The way to protect yourself is to go to Walmart and by a pre loaded card with enough credit for your trip, that way in the event of fraud you dont lose everything.

Also I show an old out of state ID so it's useless for fraud purposes.

You have to protect yourself the best you can

Keep safe xx"

No need to buy a pre loaded card in the UK as consumers using a credit card are fully protected from fraud. And yes US data protection law is weak compared to Uk.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"It is a requirement of our adult license with the local authority that we take and record ID.

We are also glad that we do take ID as it protects everybody who attends.

We never admit in any circumstances anyone who doesn't produce ID.

We are fully and properly registered with ICO our registration code is detailed on our website for anyone to see and check. It has been from the day we opened.

I personally wouldn't wish to attend a swingers club without showing ID and we have been in this industry for more than 10 years.

You don't wish to show ID - your choice. Don't go.

This is the proper way to run a club."

TY.

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By *tevelizCouple
over a year ago

northampton

"Notice that a few clubs are now asking for Photo ID, proof of address, or photos before they let you in. Why? What difference does it make?

Do you suppose these clubs are registered with the data protection act?

What are they going to do with your personal private details, sell them on,

would you like to appear as a member of a swinging club for your friends, neighbours, and family to see? I'm sure you would not, so go to clubs where you pay your money, have fun and stay anon.

Give these "clubs" the flick!"
think it's more to prove that you are who you say you are. These clubs could lose licence if they just let in anybody without proof of age etc.

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By *uietlyBohemianCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle-under-Lyme

In our experience, clubs that require ID pretty much exclude the least well behaved kind of visitors.

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Notice that a few clubs are now asking for Photo ID, proof of address, or photos before they let you in. Why? What difference does it make?

Do you suppose these clubs are registered with the data protection act?

What are they going to do with your personal private details, sell them on,

would you like to appear as a member of a swinging club for your friends, neighbours, and family to see? I'm sure you would not, so go to clubs where you pay your money, have fun and stay anon.

Give these "clubs" the flick!"

Data protection act isn’t something you have to register for, it’s a legal requirement!

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By *evilishone69Man
over a year ago

fleet

In my opinion giving is is a good thing especially if something untoward happens then the perpetrator can be found easier surely that’s better for everyone

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

"In my opinion giving is is a good thing especially if something untoward happens then the perpetrator can be found easier surely that’s better for everyone "

Absolutely. I think that's what the majority of people have said throughout this post.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Assumption is the fat mother of all fuck-ups. Who told you there is no potential for embarrassment at the library?! You have no idea what an inventive mind can conjure in a library. "

Haha good point.

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By *riyaWoman
over a year ago

WILMSLOW

There was a case in a Yorkshire club a few years ago where a serious sexual assault took place and the id was essential to the case so iv no problem showing mine xxx

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Op, this is exactly why we don't go to clubs and we'd love to but our documents cannot get out into the public domain for private reasons, we literally cannot afford for that to happen. Social gatherings therefore are as close as we'll get this due to the club's having copies of our ID, so it's hotel meets we'll be sticking to.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Op, this is exactly why we don't go to clubs and we'd love to but our documents cannot get out into the public domain for private reasons, we literally cannot afford for that to happen. Social gatherings therefore are as close as we'll get this due to the club's having copies of our ID, so it's hotel meets we'll be sticking to.

You are more likely to have your details hacked from larger online databases. The sites that usually get targeted have millions of users to make it worth the time and trouble to get the information.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

You are more likely to have your details hacked from larger online databases. The sites that usually get targeted have millions of users to make it worth the time and trouble to get the information. "

True, but that's unlikely to cost a livelihood.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

Depends what they find out about you! Remember the worldwide scandal regarding another "dating" website a few years ago.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I do not understand the fear of someone seeing your name, address and date of birth on a bit of paper, to say that you attended a club once.

I cannot see why entering such premises would cause major problems. A one off visit to accompany friends because you were curious. It is legal.

Having my photos spread across the internet or in the papers would worry me more. Yet all these people worrying about ID are happy to be on fab.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"I do not understand the fear of someone seeing your name, address and date of birth on a bit of paper, to say that you attended a club once.

I cannot see why entering such premises would cause major problems. A one off visit to accompany friends because you were curious. It is legal.

Having my photos spread across the internet or in the papers would worry me more. Yet all these people worrying about ID are happy to be on fab."

Obscure pics on fab where you can't see my face and hardly anything identifying myself is very difficult to ID me out of all of the whole web. My ID registered with a club and categorical proof it's me at that club and employers see it = END OF JOB. Some jobs it doesn't matter if it's legal or not, social elements really DO matter, how difficult is that to understand!

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"I do not understand the fear of someone seeing your name, address and date of birth on a bit of paper, to say that you attended a club once.

I cannot see why entering such premises would cause major problems. A one off visit to accompany friends because you were curious. It is legal.

Having my photos spread across the internet or in the papers would worry me more. Yet all these people worrying about ID are happy to be on fab.

If you are online you leave a trace more than just your photos, how do you get on the internet? Have you paid to be on Fab, if so that could be traced. There have been more scandals and attacks online and your pictures are probably the least of your worries, although it is surprising how photos can be traced.

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