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"Where. We're - we are. Were - past tense of are. Sorry, but it's not difficult. Regards prostitution, when guys go to any nightclub hoping to pull, they have to pay to get in. Does that make every night club in the land a brothel, and every woman that enters one a prostitute ? Unless you are paying the woman directly, then no. These swingers clubs have higher overheads than normal clubs due to the nature of what goes on. They have to create a safe, and clean enviroment, dearer clean up costs, and also have to discourage people who feel because they have paid to get in, they are entitled to sex. So is the issue jus with how expensive it is, or the fact you pay at all to use a premisis ? " premises.....but you pay £120 to get in why exactly to wander around and enjoy the sights ,its a business and like every business that sells something it has a product .....now what could a swinging clubs product be one wonders maybe it's machine poured coffee or a sauna you could get down your local sports centre for a fiver damn racking my brains here trying to think why one would pay £120 and not expect something for it !! | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment." yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other "I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul. | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul."so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex? | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex? "No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex. | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex."well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused "Abfabs is not £120. Couples entry is £50 membership is £10 | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused
Abfabs is not £120. Couples entry is £50 membership is £10 "we went on a couples night a Saturday and I was there and paid to get in it cost £120 we had a great night but its not cheap | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused
Abfabs is not £120. Couples entry is £50 membership is £10 we went on a couples night a Saturday and I was there and paid to get in it cost £120 we had a great night but its not cheap "Did you go on new years eve or pay for two Couples? Or as a single man and a single female? | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused
Abfabs is not £120. Couples entry is £50 membership is £10 we went on a couples night a Saturday and I was there and paid to get in it cost £120 we had a great night but its not cheap
Did you go on new years eve or pay for two Couples? Or as a single man and a single female?"no we aren't members although we had both been before as singles and that's what I paid | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed "No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex. | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex."I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex.I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it "I’ve been to three clubs now, and never had so much as an erection in any of them. Did I expect sex? No. What did I expect? I wasn’t sure, but I’d read all these great reviews in here, about what wonderful places they all are, and life is all about trying different things  | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment." Excellent comment, totally agree xxxxxx | |||
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"Where. We're - we are. Were - past tense of are. Sorry, but it's not difficult. Regards prostitution, when guys go to any nightclub hoping to pull, they have to pay to get in. Does that make every night club in the land a brothel, and every woman that enters one a prostitute ? Unless you are paying the woman directly, then no. These swingers clubs have higher overheads than normal clubs due to the nature of what goes on. They have to create a safe, and clean enviroment, dearer clean up costs, and also have to discourage people who feel because they have paid to get in, they are entitled to sex. So is the issue jus with how expensive it is, or the fact you pay at all to use a premisis ? premises.....but you pay £120 to get in why exactly to wander around and enjoy the sights ,its a business and like every business that sells something it has a product .....now what could a swinging clubs product be one wonders maybe it's machine poured coffee or a sauna you could get down your local sports centre for a fiver damn racking my brains here trying to think why one would pay £120 and not expect something for it !! "Don't go then,no one's forcing you. Sounds like it's not for you Stay away. | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex.I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it
I’ve been to three clubs now, and never had so much as an erection in any of them. Did I expect sex? No. What did I expect? I wasn’t sure, but I’d read all these great reviews in here, about what wonderful places they all are, and life is all about trying different things "it is but its also about fitting in and saying the expected thing to be accepted,many single guys pay a lot to get in these clubs and I've been there ive witnessed it ,they do get frustrated now is that frustration caused by getting value for money ,is it caused by going into that expensive club and only getting a sauna ,a hot tub or a steam room which they can as I said earlier get down their local sports club for a fiver or maybe that frustration is just a figment of my imagination or maybe like you they didn't go to a swingers club thinking about sex but ok I'll go pay ex amount to get in and have a beer and watch TV c'mon aren't we being a Little niave,we go their with sex in mind | |||
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"Someone again mentioned that swinging club not all are advertising beyond swinging sites to get more custom n money, it was on another thread on another discuion. " beyond where? | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex.I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it "Thats usually because they behave like cunts Oh, and btw, you've contradicted yourself there | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex.I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it
Thats usually because they behave like cunts
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"Site that are of a more adult nature, apparently that even if your not a swinger your than welcome too a swinger club, it's like a back ally club pay walk in and browse and trying too push your luck.my view of a swinger club is that if well mentated you have a enjoyable night reguildless. " Ok so there's a suggestion that some swinging club owners are doing a bait and switch on potential customers by advertising swinging where one would normally find guaranteed sex services? | |||
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"Site that are of a more adult nature, apparently that even if your not a swinger your than welcome too a swinger club, it's like a back ally club pay walk in and browse and trying too push your luck.my view of a swinger club is that if well mentated you have a enjoyable night reguildless. Ok so there's a suggestion that some swinging club owners are doing a bait and switch on potential customers by advertising swinging where one would normally find guaranteed sex services? " your reading skills amaze me | |||
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"Site that are of a more adult nature, apparently that even if your not a swinger your than welcome too a swinger club, it's like a back ally club pay walk in and browse and trying too push your luck.my view of a swinger club is that if well mentated you have a enjoyable night reguildless. Ok so there's a suggestion that some swinging club owners are doing a bait and switch on potential customers by advertising swinging where one would normally find guaranteed sex services? your reading skills amaze me "Yeah i didn't achieve at academics  | |||
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"Site that are of a more adult nature, apparently that even if your not a swinger your than welcome too a swinger club, it's like a back ally club pay walk in and browse and trying too push your luck.my view of a swinger club is that if well mentated you have a enjoyable night reguildless. Ok so there's a suggestion that some swinging club owners are doing a bait and switch on potential customers by advertising swinging where one would normally find guaranteed sex services? your reading skills amaze me
Yeah i didn't achieve at academics "oh I think you achieved something | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! " I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over 
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going. | |||
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"I haven't understood 70% of this thread. Can anyone summarise what the fuck this is about or what is being debated here? Ps: never paid more than £55 for AbFabs and have been at least 8 times. " Thaks mate. You saved me asking lol. | |||
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"I haven't understood 70% of this thread. Can anyone summarise what the fuck this is about or what is being debated here? Ps: never paid more than £55 for AbFabs and have been at least 8 times. Thaks mate. You saved me asking lol." Fuck knows..sounds like an argument between d*unk people about clubs from here | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment." | |||
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"I haven't understood 70% of this thread. Can anyone summarise what the fuck this is about or what is being debated here? Ps: never paid more than £55 for AbFabs and have been at least 8 times. Thaks mate. You saved me asking lol. Fuck knows..sounds like an argument between d*unk people about clubs from here " lol yep think you're right unintelligable | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going."How’s it cheaper going to a night club at Eurekas or abfabs you pay to get in and then drink your own drink so whole night costs you a lot less than £100! And if you think having sex with your own wife in a room full of people isn’t more exciting than in your own bed at home with the lights off there’s something wrong with you! | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going."If you want more at a swingers club then you need to put some effort in and try and talk to people. I find with swingers clubs you only get out what you put in. If you go and just sit up a corner with a grumpy face on you expecting to be invited to play then you are going to be very disappointed. You need to go there and flirt and talk to people engage in conversation. Then that HOPE of play will become a reality Mrs B | |||
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"I’m just hoping that it is ok that be really confused about what’s going on here. I go to clubs a fair bit and feel like I should have a valid contribution to make to the discussion, but can’t make head nor fucking tail of the original post. V x " Same here | |||
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"I’m just hoping that it is ok that be really confused about what’s going on here. I go to clubs a fair bit and feel like I should have a valid contribution to make to the discussion, but can’t make head nor fucking tail of the original post. V x " general drift from op is does these clubs promote prostitution by advertising outside swinging circles and do said people who attend feel entitled to sex after paying entry fee I think lol but not 100% sure as opening statement a bit muddled | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going.
How’s it cheaper going to a night club at Eurekas or abfabs you pay to get in and then drink your own drink so whole night costs you a lot less than £100!
And if you think having sex with your own wife in a room full of people isn’t more exciting than in your own bed at home with the lights off there’s something wrong with you! "Actually it was the female half posting. When we go clubbing we spend £7 between us to get in, and drinks are £15 for 4 double vodka and red bulls. (Yeah very cheap). So it actually costs us a hell of a lot less. (Spiders nightclub in Hull if you're interested. Very cheap and fun night out.) And like I said the music is much better, and we can dance. And yeah sure having sex with each other in a room full of people is fun to a degree, but after a while if that's ALL you're doing it does get a bit same-old same-old and it's expensive just to do that. | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going.
If you want more at a swingers club then you need to put some effort in and try and talk to people.
I find with swingers clubs you only get out what you put in. If you go and just sit up a corner with a grumpy face on you expecting to be invited to play then you are going to be very disappointed.
You need to go there and flirt and talk to people engage in conversation. Then that HOPE of play will become a reality
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"I’m just hoping that it is ok that be really confused about what’s going on here. I go to clubs a fair bit and feel like I should have a valid contribution to make to the discussion, but can’t make head nor fucking tail of the original post. V x general drift from op is does these clubs promote prostitution by advertising outside swinging circles and do said people who attend feel entitled to sex after paying entry fee I think lol but not 100% sure as opening statement a bit muddled" Ooh I see. I was thrown off course by the Theresa May/Brexit commentary (and of course the appalling mix up of they’re, their and there) The answer is ..... 1) no, and 2) sometimes 
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" And if you think having sex with your own wife in a room full of people isn’t more exciting than in your own bed at home with the lights off there’s something wrong with you! " That is quite frankly bollocks. Not everyone wants to be watched. Stupid comment. | |||
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"I’m just hoping that it is ok that be really confused about what’s going on here. I go to clubs a fair bit and feel like I should have a valid contribution to make to the discussion, but can’t make head nor fucking tail of the original post. V x " its not ok you're not allowed to be confused and you should expect sex with a consenting adult | |||
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"I'm not d*unk nor will I ever be, and I Will be visiting a club, as I speak to someone regular here and although I've no desire too engage sexually, so I'm able to relax as I wish. As their are no female only clubs like for men for me to go too. I much prefer meeting people at a social and from there. It's never done me any harm and I do insist I'm not looking for romance from swinger's. " clubs do hold ladies only evenings if you look hard enough you will see when they're on | |||
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"When your younger you go out clubbing you listen to music and pay stupid amount for a drink! You could stay at home listen to the radio and buy some cans, but you don’t because you hope to get ya leg over! It’s not selling sex but that’s why you go and pay your money! Same goes with a swingers club! I've never ever been clubbing in the hope of getting my leg over
Nor has it ever happened.
I don't see regular clubs in that sense at all.
I go to drink and dance in an environment that is more fun than my living room!
At swingers clubs I don't "expect" sex, but I hope it'll happen. It rarely does though, so we've pretty much stopped going, and we've gone back to just going to rock nightclubs and have put swinging on the back burner.
There seems little point in going to swinging clubs to just sit and drink. I can do that at a nightclub and the music is better and we're paying £7 entry instead of £25.
So yeah it's disappointing at swinging clubs we've found. It costs a bomb just to sit there with a drink whilst other people are swapping partners but nobody gives us the time of day, and we can have sex with each other at home. It's not really any more fun shagging each other in a club than it is at home. It's hardly "swinging" if all you're doing is having sex with your own partner.
We never expect anybody to want to play with us, but it's hard not to HOPE it might happen. Never does though, so kinda pointless going.
If you want more at a swingers club then you need to put some effort in and try and talk to people.
I find with swingers clubs you only get out what you put in. If you go and just sit up a corner with a grumpy face on you expecting to be invited to play then you are going to be very disappointed.
You need to go there and flirt and talk to people engage in conversation. Then that HOPE of play will become a reality
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We don't sit with grumpy faces, but we're not very forward either, so yeah it's probably just not right for us."I am going off topic here. Apologies to the rest of the posters. Been to Barnsley a couple of times. Fantastic night out. I can't recall the name of this place but it was a smallish pub with a dance floor and played rock and metal tunes. Was mint. I would love a swingers club that played such music lol. | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other
I have been as a single too and it's no different. Paul.so Paul to clarify you get sex when you go to a swingers club ,its all about the expectation of sex?
No it's the opposite....no expectation at all as I love the atmosphere but also I've always had sex.well their ya go the product ' sex' has always been achieved for your outgoings therefore no reason to be disappointed
No...the product is the premises and all that has to offer....sex is not part of the deal...I didn't pay the club on the expectation of sex.I had sex and to be fair I expected it and I think most who go do and many don't achieve it
I’ve been to three clubs now, and never had so much as an erection in any of them. Did I expect sex? No. What did I expect? I wasn’t sure, but I’d read all these great reviews in here, about what wonderful places they all are, and life is all about trying different things it is but its also about fitting in and saying the expected thing to be accepted,many single guys pay a lot to get in these clubs and I've been there ive witnessed it ,they do get frustrated now is that frustration caused by getting value for money ,is it caused by going into that expensive club and only getting a sauna ,a hot tub or a steam room which they can as I said earlier get down their local sports club for a fiver or maybe that frustration is just a figment of my imagination or maybe like you they didn't go to a swingers club thinking about sex but ok I'll go pay ex amount to get in and have a beer and watch TV c'mon aren't we being a Little niave,we go their with sex in mind "Neither of the three clubs I visited had a sauna, hot tub (at least a working one), or steam room. Yes, the perceived sexy image in my head was the draw, but there was nobody there at the times I was, who drew my attention. Just like going to an 'ordinary' nightclub, bar, or pub, do you talk to everyone, or those who catch your eye  | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused "£120???? Errrrm I don't think so never maybe for 2 couples £60 each | |||
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"Upon reading through a thread, I noticed a comment. We're swinging club owners not all adverse on adult sites of the other, guessing places like were you would find prostution of the a sexual nature. " Actually it's not quite like that at all - when an adult site sets itself up they often trawl the internet for ALL kinds of adult content and without a clubs permission they will include a clubs information and list it - it will appear to you I guess that the club has 'advertised' on that site - when in truth nothing can be further from the truth. They do this because it gives them content and content give them traffic and traffic gives them google ranking and google ranking gets them paying advertisers (and paying memberships from club for an elite entry). . . if you see what I mean. We purposely advertise ourselves on just six adult websites. Though I would guess that we are on dozens. In the early days I wrote to some websites and said remove us. They just ignore you mail. It's better for them for you to be there . . . because it means they have more accurate content and again that gets them ranking with google . . .
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" And if you think having sex with your own wife in a room full of people isn’t more exciting than in your own bed at home with the lights off there’s something wrong with you! That is quite frankly bollocks. Not everyone wants to be watched. Stupid comment. Agreed...been to clubs enough times and really have zero desire to be watched by people I don't find attractive..normally that's been most of the clubgoers. I like being watched...I don't like being watched by gap toothed Brenda and Nigel with the gimp mask and shoulders fluffier than a poodles back thanks. this tickled me lol i can't get image of gap toothed Brenda out my head Sorry! "no I'm sorry I know a gap toothed Brenda type lol and immediately thought of her | |||
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"Where. We're - we are. Were - past tense of are. Sorry, but it's not difficult. Regards prostitution, when guys go to any nightclub hoping to pull, they have to pay to get in. Does that make every night club in the land a brothel, and every woman that enters one a prostitute ? Unless you are paying the woman directly, then no. These swingers clubs have higher overheads than normal clubs due to the nature of what goes on. They have to create a safe, and clean enviroment, dearer clean up costs, and also have to discourage people who feel because they have paid to get in, they are entitled to sex. So is the issue jus with how expensive it is, or the fact you pay at all to use a premisis ? premises.....but you pay £120 to get in why exactly to wander around and enjoy the sights ,its a business and like every business that sells something it has a product .....now what could a swinging clubs product be one wonders maybe it's machine poured coffee or a sauna you could get down your local sports centre for a fiver damn racking my brains here trying to think why one would pay £120 and not expect something for it !! "Kneelplz3 Your comments through this thread show you really don't understand the real nature of swinging or clubs. The comments and insinuations about prostitution is plain wrong and also insulting. The women in clubs are there for their own reasons. Some just go in to socialise in a safe, fun, sexy environment. Others go in to maybe have sex with other singles or couples. They arent getting paid anything. People who attend with your atittude and expectation drag down the environment and in worst case scenarios are upsetting and even dangerous. MrB | |||
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" And if you think having sex with your own wife in a room full of people isn’t more exciting than in your own bed at home with the lights off there’s something wrong with you! That is quite frankly bollocks. Not everyone wants to be watched. Stupid comment. Agreed...been to clubs enough times and really have zero desire to be watched by people I don't find attractive..normally that's been most of the clubgoers. I like being watched...I don't like being watched by gap toothed Brenda and Nigel with the gimp mask and shoulders fluffier than a poodles back thanks. this tickled me lol i can't get image of gap toothed Brenda out my head I find gap tooths attractive, porn star jenny guage has one. It's toothless tanya that puts me off. It was an example plucked from thin air, a toothless Tanya could indeed have the same effect, or anyone i wasn't attracted too. Your clued up enough to know what i mean "Yeah but it's the fishy fanny francines and the cheese dick Carl's that really ruin group sex for everyone else | |||
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"Where. We're - we are. Were - past tense of are. Sorry, but it's not difficult. Regards prostitution, when guys go to any nightclub hoping to pull, they have to pay to get in. Does that make every night club in the land a brothel, and every woman that enters one a prostitute ? Unless you are paying the woman directly, then no. These swingers clubs have higher overheads than normal clubs due to the nature of what goes on. They have to create a safe, and clean enviroment, dearer clean up costs, and also have to discourage people who feel because they have paid to get in, they are entitled to sex. So is the issue jus with how expensive it is, or the fact you pay at all to use a premisis ? premises.....but you pay £120 to get in why exactly to wander around and enjoy the sights ,its a business and like every business that sells something it has a product .....now what could a swinging clubs product be one wonders maybe it's machine poured coffee or a sauna you could get down your local sports centre for a fiver damn racking my brains here trying to think why one would pay £120 and not expect something for it !! "I went deep sea fishing in Mexico a while back. Paid £150 for 5 hours of sailing on the Pacific. No guarantee of catching a fish. Fortunately I got lucky and caught a nice dorado. Same kind of premise. | |||
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"I only mentioned what someone said on another thread.. And it does make me wonder as a single female, would I encounter the correct type of swinger's or the type thinking well I paid and least let me get my money's worth.. It's the same with natruism these days. Hearing people visit a place in Wales and people lingering in the Dunne's watching naked sunbathers . all wrong in my opinion. " We encountered this type of guy briefly in our last club visit, he was soon removed from the building. | |||
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"This thread and some of the comments in it really are fucked up – so how could I not chip in - here’s my rant. Swingers clubs are for couples who want to inject some additional fun into their sex life by voyeurism or participation, the couples are paying for a safe environment with facilities to fulfil their own fantasies – and single guys (or couples), if you are lucky, very, very, very lucky you may be asked to join in, this is called swinging – (look up swinging in a dictionary). If a club advertises sex, and guarantees that you’ll get fucked, blown, pegged or the promise of a ‘happy ending’ it’s not a swinger’s club it’s a brothel! If you’re expecting sex and prepared to pay for sex then go to a brothel and pay a prostitute, you won’t have to worry about not getting your monies worth (probably!). If you think that the ‘couples’ have paid to have sex with you at a swinger’s club, then look up prostitution in the dictionary. And ask yourself who has paid who for sex? did you pay them? did they pay you? Unless you’re an absolute dickhead you’ll find you paid a club, and you paid the club for the use of their facilities – unfortunately, and it’s just a sad fact of life that a lot of dickhead’s go to swingers clubs! The reason a lot of single guys (not all) walk around swinger’s clubs getting frustrated (please read previous comments) is because they are naïve and incredibly dim. It really is so fucking simple, you go to a club (any fucking club), whether it’s a drinking, swinging, lap-dancing, (working mans!) club for a night out – If you feel the club owners are exploiting you or ripping you off – make a complaint, walk out and don’t go back, it’s not fucking rocket science! Single guys, YES, clubs will happily take £60 from you, but they advertise their prices on their websites – just do a little bit of research before you go. I would almost guarantee that none of the clubs advertised on this site (including Abfabs and Kestrels who aren’t) would advertise that you are going to get laid, so don’t be surprised when you don’t, if they are not offering it – don’t expect it! And if you really believe some of the stupid comments on this thread that you’ve paid a club to have sex with someone’s wife or girlfriend – jog on – you seriously have no idea what the swinging scene is all about and if that’s your ‘expectation’ then you should stay as far away from a swinger’s club as you possibly can. Oh, and before any of the sadder wanking trolls amongst you say swinger’s clubs are for single guys too – they are – but preferably single guys who respect women- and don’t throw their toys out of the pram when told no or don’t get laid!!! Rant officially over " Despite your vehemance you are clearly wrong about clubs being solely for couples. That may be the way you use clubs but actually clubs are used by a variety of people for different reasons. Here are few you may have missed. Couples actively seeking a single man. Couples actively seeking many single men. Single women actively seeking a man. Single women actively seeking multiple men. Women seeking women. Men seeking men. People seeking orgies. The point on which we agree is that sex is not guaranteed for anyone (including couples). I have attended clubs occasionally as a couple and have found there are couples that do not take no for an answer. | |||
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"Sorry but the OP has the worst grasp of English and spelling that I’ve seen in a long time. I have no idea what on Earth she is saying in the posts. It’s completely illegible. Can anyone properly summarise?" clubs promote prostitution and guys going to said clubs endorse it in a nut shell | |||
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"I haven't understood 70% of this thread. Can anyone summarise what the fuck this is about or what is being debated here? Ps: never paid more than £55 for AbFabs and have been at least 8 times. " No idea why a couple would pay £120 at abfabs. But single men can gain entry without membership if they hand over enough cash, generally 100-150. Money talks and that leads to expectation. | |||
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" Can anyone properly summarise?clubs promote prostitution and guys going to said clubs endorse it in a nut shell" If clubs promote prostitution they would be paying women for going, not charging them ! | |||
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"Where. We're - we are. Were - past tense of are. Sorry, but it's not difficult. Regards prostitution, when guys go to any nightclub hoping to pull, they have to pay to get in. Does that make every night club in the land a brothel, and every woman that enters one a prostitute ? Unless you are paying the woman directly, then no. These swingers clubs have higher overheads than normal clubs due to the nature of what goes on. They have to create a safe, and clean enviroment, dearer clean up costs, and also have to discourage people who feel because they have paid to get in, they are entitled to sex. So is the issue jus with how expensive it is, or the fact you pay at all to use a premisis ? " Since when has fab been a school? Was that really necessary. Sorry but not making people feel uncomfortable or trying to put them down isn’t difficult | |||
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" Can anyone properly summarise?clubs promote prostitution and guys going to said clubs endorse it in a nut shell If clubs promote prostitution they would be paying women for going, not charging them !" not what I'm saying I'm summing up what the op is trying to say don't shoot me lol x | |||
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" Can anyone properly summarise?clubs promote prostitution and guys going to said clubs endorse it in a nut shell If clubs promote prostitution they would be paying women for going, not charging them !" Some women are paid to host in clubs and promote them, on here. If they invite men to said clubs I'm guessing some men think they will be wanting sex from them. | |||
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"Despite your vehemance you are clearly wrong about clubs being solely for couples. That may be the way you use clubs but actually clubs are used by a variety of people for different reasons. Here are few you may have missed. Couples actively seeking a single man. Couples actively seeking many single men. Single women actively seeking a man. Single women actively seeking multiple men. Women seeking women. Men seeking men. People seeking orgies. The point on which we agree is that sex is not guaranteed for anyone (including couples). I have attended clubs occasionally as a couple and have found there are couples that do not take no for an answer. Ozzz . There is no mention in any of my text that swinger’s clubs are for couples only – try reading or a least try to grasp what has been written, my rant was not in any way vehement (oh, and if you are going to use big words please spell them correctly!) – it was about expectations of people in swinger’s clubs – couples or singles, and the obvious difference between a swinger’s club and a brothel. I look forward to your reply but only with correct spelling! " I stand by my comments, and I now regret giving you a polite response to your rant. | |||
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"OP are you referring to a thread about a club that holds events where they have women who are paid to attend and guarantee guys sex? If so it's a thread I've already commented on and I would steer clear because I think even if I can make an informed choice about which night to go on you can't guarantee the guys who are expecting sex to differentiate and I don't like that crossover. " So OP is talking about the private club where it's basically a pay to play gangbang. Yeah that is prostitution but no it's not a swingers club. It's a clever piece of marketing because some guys get funny about using hookers but are too stupid to realise the difference. They are just extremely fortunate to find a girl who loves gangbangs, every single day on schedule. | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused
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"This thread and some of the comments in it really are fucked up – so how could I not chip in - here’s my rant. Swingers clubs are for couples who want to inject some additional fun into their sex life by voyeurism or participation, the couples are paying for a safe environment with facilities to fulfil their own fantasies – and single guys (or couples), if you are lucky, very, very, very lucky you may be asked to join in, this is called swinging – (look up swinging in a dictionary). If a club advertises sex, and guarantees that you’ll get fucked, blown, pegged or the promise of a ‘happy ending’ it’s not a swinger’s club it’s a brothel! If you’re expecting sex and prepared to pay for sex then go to a brothel and pay a prostitute, you won’t have to worry about not getting your monies worth (probably!). If you think that the ‘couples’ have paid to have sex with you at a swinger’s club, then look up prostitution in the dictionary. And ask yourself who has paid who for sex? did you pay them? did they pay you? Unless you’re an absolute dickhead you’ll find you paid a club, and you paid the club for the use of their facilities – unfortunately, and it’s just a sad fact of life that a lot of dickhead’s go to swingers clubs! The reason a lot of single guys (not all) walk around swinger’s clubs getting frustrated (please read previous comments) is because they are naïve and incredibly dim. It really is so fucking simple, you go to a club (any fucking club), whether it’s a drinking, swinging, lap-dancing, (working mans!) club for a night out – If you feel the club owners are exploiting you or ripping you off – make a complaint, walk out and don’t go back, it’s not fucking rocket science! Single guys, YES, clubs will happily take £60 from you, but they advertise their prices on their websites – just do a little bit of research before you go. I would almost guarantee that none of the clubs advertised on this site (including Abfabs and Kestrels who aren’t) would advertise that you are going to get laid, so don’t be surprised when you don’t, if they are not offering it – don’t expect it! And if you really believe some of the stupid comments on this thread that you’ve paid a club to have sex with someone’s wife or girlfriend – jog on – you seriously have no idea what the swinging scene is all about and if that’s your ‘expectation’ then you should stay as far away from a swinger’s club as you possibly can. Oh, and before any of the sadder wanking trolls amongst you say swinger’s clubs are for single guys too – they are – but preferably single guys who respect women- and don’t throw their toys out of the pram when told no or don’t get laid!!! Rant officially over " Your rant is pointless. As I said on my post. People will go with the expectation of sex. Clubs exploit the fact that the ones who do this most are single guys. It's a good business plan. What I or you think about either of those facts is completely irrelevant. | |||
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" I go to clubs because socials are time consuming, I never go expecting to have sex and haven't had sex at one for a while. But I prefer clubs because it is a hell of a lot safer than going to someone's house or hotel. Clubs always provide a great night too (for me anyway) regardless of sex. " thumb | |||
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" I go to clubs because socials are time consuming, I never go expecting to have sex and haven't had sex at one for a while. But I prefer clubs because it is a hell of a lot safer than going to someone's house or hotel. Clubs always provide a great night too (for me anyway) regardless of sex. thumb "Totally agree, we never go expecting sex. M has been on his own several times and enjoyed the vibe and getting to know people. Any guy who expects sex is never going to succeed with us. If he is interesting, talks to us, looks like he has made an effort then we might decide to have a bit of fun. But any idiot who wanders around expecting a fuck has no chance... | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused
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"Well if people can't understand it, their are plenty of topics on here for you to comment. Simple enough than just plain pick at another for bad grammar and English seriously. How do you cope in a environment were intoxicated people are in the swinging area. Do you correct them in front of others. Why be different in a fourm" Its just another form of attacking someone who is threatening with a behaviour or idea that they are struggling with. The insecurities of someone thinking differently or having a different view. | |||
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"I've read mostof the ccomments. Conclusion: 1. OP... Though you may have some valid point no one who enjoys clubs will want to hear there are those who who view them as prostitutes. At the end of the day it can be argued as polemics. 2. To those who argue that sex isn't the product (you're only fooling yourself) and go because of the social side, I'll ask you this, would you still keep paying £60 to 120 entrance to a nice well kept clean social environment if sex was not allowed? (Ill guess you would be finding another place, why.... because sex is the ultimate product, though not guarenteed and coloured by the other products of a clean safe environment to have sex if you want it. To answer another's reply that protistution is only seen as that if you pay the recipient directly, paying the pimp who provides the product instead of the prostitute isn't uncommon, so one could view these clubs asa form of legalised brothels as sex isn't guaranteed and not directly paid for but is only available to those who pay to get in and choose to participate. They're still given the choice and its not guaranteed. Its a matter of perception. I think the issue is blurred more by the amount one pays to enter and its association with a place one can then have 'free' sex but only available to those who've played to enter. Those who view it as such a place and complain maybe shouldn't go as by association they are culpable." Sex is the one thing all the people have in commen when they go to these places but not necessarily the main purpose of going! People like to surround them self’s with like minded people and that makes for a good night in its own but for us I love the feeling of feeedom and seeing people enjoying them self’s and if we wish to we will fuck too! And again £60 isn’t a dear night when you take your own drink you would pay a lot more in any club to drink all night for 2 people | |||
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" I go to clubs because socials are time consuming, I never go expecting to have sex and haven't had sex at one for a while. But I prefer clubs because it is a hell of a lot safer than going to someone's house or hotel. Clubs always provide a great night too (for me anyway) regardless of sex. thumb
Totally agree, we never go expecting sex. M has been on his own several times and enjoyed the vibe and getting to know people.
Any guy who expects sex is never going to succeed with us. If he is interesting, talks to us, looks like he has made an effort then we might decide to have a bit of fun.
But any idiot who wanders around expecting a fuck has no chance... "A while ago a guy sat next to me and started playing with his dick, making sure I could see. Never said a word to me. No chance. Another one came and chatted for some time before asking a direct question. I had the choice of yes or no and at that club, no certainly means no. I said yes and we both had some fun. That's what a club is for | |||
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"I've read mostof the ccomments. Conclusion: 1. OP... Though you may have some valid point no one who enjoys clubs will want to hear there are those who who view them as prostitutes. At the end of the day it can be argued as polemics. 2. To those who argue that sex isn't the product (you're only fooling yourself) and go because of the social side, I'll ask you this, would you still keep paying £60 to 120 entrance to a nice well kept clean social environment if sex was not allowed? (Ill guess you would be finding another place, why.... because sex is the ultimate product, though not guarenteed and coloured by the other products of a clean safe environment to have sex if you want it. To answer another's reply that protistution is only seen as that if you pay the recipient directly, paying the pimp who provides the product instead of the prostitute isn't uncommon, so one could view these clubs asa form of legalised brothels as sex isn't guaranteed and not directly paid for but is only available to those who pay to get in and choose to participate. They're still given the choice and its not guaranteed. Its a matter of perception. I think the issue is blurred more by the amount one pays to enter and its association with a place one can then have 'free' sex but only available to those who've played to enter. Those who view it as such a place and complain maybe shouldn't go as by association they are culpable. Sex is the one thing all the people have in commen when they go to these places but not necessarily the main purpose of going! People like to surround them self’s with like minded people and that makes for a good night in its own but for us I love the feeling of feeedom and seeing people enjoying them self’s and if we wish to we will fuck too! And again £60 isn’t a dear night when you take your own drink you would pay a lot more in any club to drink all night for 2 people " Id only have 2 drinks if im going out so id never pay that but im sure some do. Id not see any merit in drinking all night either.... What for to wake with a hangover and little recognition of "a great night out'. A bottle of wine if im staying in at home. I never mix alcohol and playing and have turned down a night of passion because she'd already had a few drinks in her before we met for the prerequisite 'social' and she ordered two more vodkas as we were chatting and I felt uncomfortable about it as i just had a glass of red. But we're really talking about two different things here. One is purely social and the other is social with sex in the background or foreground depending on ones approach ( There are many who do go because they can and will pull easily...to deny that is trying to flog a dead horse) | |||
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"I've read mostof the ccomments. Conclusion: 1. OP... Though you may have some valid point no one who enjoys clubs will want to hear there are those who who view them as prostitutes. At the end of the day it can be argued as polemics. 2. To those who argue that sex isn't the product (you're only fooling yourself) and go because of the social side, I'll ask you this, would you still keep paying £60 to 120 entrance to a nice well kept clean social environment if sex was not allowed? (Ill guess you would be finding another place, why.... because sex is the ultimate product, though not guarenteed and coloured by the other products of a clean safe environment to have sex if you want it. To answer another's reply that protistution is only seen as that if you pay the recipient directly, paying the pimp who provides the product instead of the prostitute isn't uncommon, so one could view these clubs asa form of legalised brothels as sex isn't guaranteed and not directly paid for but is only available to those who pay to get in and choose to participate. They're still given the choice and its not guaranteed. Its a matter of perception. I think the issue is blurred more by the amount one pays to enter and its association with a place one can then have 'free' sex but only available to those who've played to enter. Those who view it as such a place and complain maybe shouldn't go as by association they are culpable." You are just wrong. The club and customer have no relationship beyond the customers paying the club. The single guy pays the club, and the couple or single female pay the club. The women in the club don't get any financial reward from the club, or in any way whatsoever from the male customer either. There is no two ways about it. If you think otherwise, you are truly unaware of what swinging is about. | |||
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"OP's opening comment is misleading and clearly she and others do not understand the meaning of prostitution. The crime of prostitution involves paying someone for sex. At the established clubs that does not happen. At some of the informal parties charging a ridiculous price most likely. It is not prostitution to provide facilities where people if they wish to can have sex. The essential points are that no women attending the official clubs are paid for sex and sex is not guaranteed. The main issue in relation to offences is whether the club has the relevent licences required by the local authority. The problem in OP's comment is the use of the word expect. An expectation is not a guaranteed result. As in the following cases: Mrs May expected to win a landslide majority in calling the election. Another example,those supporting Brexit expect the UK to do well once leaving the EU. I suspect most single men expect sex but the rational ones realise it is not guaranteed. The ones that are not rational are a pain and unfortunately there are men both in couples and single that are like that. But I believe the payment of the money is an excuse. Such people would be a pain in bar or a night club. Finally there seem to be some that are uncomfortable with sex at clubs. Outside of biased religious and cultural norms the swinging clubs are sensible way for consenting adults to connect for no strings attached sex. At the end of the day as someone said earlier, may be clubs are not for OP and others. " I gave up at the bit where you claimed there is a crime of prostitution. | |||
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"You didn't achieve at academics then and unfortunately paying a lot of money to go to a club does correlate to prostitution (£120) couples night at abfabs and it only guarantees entry nothing else ,at least if you paid a prostitute £120 you'd be guaranteed sex get my drift ,I'm not anti clubs just didn't want your assosiation with them to be confused "Mirror much? | |||
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"We pay to go to a club and we expect a clean and welcoming environment, a variety of play areas, good spa facilities and great staff and we are never disappointed. As a welcome addition we get great sex, voyeurism and have always met nice people in an erotic environment.yes my point exactly you go as a couple so you can't fail to get what the club purports to offer ' sex' if you cant find a plus one or two you can just have sex with each other "A club is not providing a couple with sex with each other, so how can the product be sex? The product is the provision of an environment in which to have sex should the opportunity arise. | |||
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"I haven't understood 70% of this thread. Can anyone summarise what the fuck this is about or what is being debated here? Ps: never paid more than £55 for AbFabs and have been at least 8 times. Thaks mate. You saved me asking lol. Fuck knows..sounds like an argument between d*unk people about clubs from here lol yep think you're right unintelligable "Pot, kettle. | |||
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"OP's opening comment is misleading and clearly she and others do not understand the meaning of prostitution. The crime of prostitution involves paying someone for sex. At the established clubs that does not happen. At some of the informal parties charging a ridiculous price most likely. It is not prostitution to provide facilities where people if they wish to can have sex. The essential points are that no women attending the official clubs are paid for sex and sex is not guaranteed. The main issue in relation to offences is whether the club has the relevent licences required by the local authority. The problem in OP's comment is the use of the word expect. An expectation is not a guaranteed result. As in the following cases: Mrs May expected to win a landslide majority in calling the election. Another example,those supporting Brexit expect the UK to do well once leaving the EU. I suspect most single men expect sex but the rational ones realise it is not guaranteed. The ones that are not rational are a pain and unfortunately there are men both in couples and single that are like that. But I believe the payment of the money is an excuse. Such people would be a pain in bar or a night club. Finally there seem to be some that are uncomfortable with sex at clubs. Outside of biased religious and cultural norms the swinging clubs are sensible way for consenting adults to connect for no strings attached sex. At the end of the day as someone said earlier, may be clubs are not for OP and others. " | |||
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"I've read mostof the ccomments. Conclusion: 1. OP... Though you may have some valid point no one who enjoys clubs will want to hear there are those who who view them as prostitutes. At the end of the day it can be argued as polemics. 2. To those who argue that sex isn't the product (you're only fooling yourself) and go because of the social side, I'll ask you this, would you still keep paying £60 to 120 entrance to a nice well kept clean social environment if sex was not allowed? (Ill guess you would be finding another place, why.... because sex is the ultimate product, though not guarenteed and coloured by the other products of a clean safe environment to have sex if you want it. To answer another's reply that protistution is only seen as that if you pay the recipient directly, paying the pimp who provides the product instead of the prostitute isn't uncommon, so one could view these clubs asa form of legalised brothels as sex isn't guaranteed and not directly paid for but is only available to those who pay to get in and choose to participate. They're still given the choice and its not guaranteed. Its a matter of perception. I think the issue is blurred more by the amount one pays to enter and its association with a place one can then have 'free' sex but only available to those who've played to enter. Those who view it as such a place and complain maybe shouldn't go as by association they are culpable. You are just wrong. The club and customer have no relationship beyond the customers paying the club. The single guy pays the club, and the couple or single female pay the club. The women in the club don't get any financial reward from the club, or in any way whatsoever from the male customer either. There is no two ways about it. If you think otherwise, you are truly unaware of what swinging is about." | |||
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"Well if people can't understand it, their are plenty of topics on here for you to comment. Simple enough than just plain pick at another for bad grammar and English seriously. How do you cope in a environment were intoxicated people are in the swinging area. Do you correct them in front of others. Why be different in a fourm" Well..yeah..if someone is talking and i don't understand them, i'd tell them I didn't understand them or they seemed pissed if that's how they came across. Why wouldn't i? That's just normal | |||
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"I think I'll pop back in an hour once I've finished this bottle of Chianti, i think its a requirement to understanding what the OP and some are banging on about!! "simply don't bother | |||
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"I think I'll pop back in an hour once I've finished this bottle of Chianti, i think its a requirement to understanding what the OP and some are banging on about!! "Hello where have you been?
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