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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Kestrels/Abfab info, chat, meet up, flirt thread

Tag in friends, welcome newbies

Please note the club is OPEN for business. If you need more info please google kestrel hydro or abfabparties.

There's a separate thread in this forum for their fetish evening under Heathrow Dungeon Zone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All present and correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There on Saturday afternoon about 2 ish.

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By *anillaguyMan
over a year ago

Kingston

Should be there tomorrow night to hear tattyrub's confession

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still haven't made my second visit! I'll try to put that right soon but I guess I've missed all the good weather!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tagging in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should be there tomorrow night to hear tattyrub's confession "

I'm sure Tattyb will listen to you sins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll be at Abfabs tomorrow evening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Abfabs for us Saturday night

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By *oreFunForAllCouple
over a year ago

Dumstable

As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!! "

Err nope that happen for my 40th only. Purely blessings only tomorrow

For the birthday guest lift PM Tattyrubx to be added to the birthday list!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!! "

I think that is a brilliant idea!!

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Sunday maybe weather dependant ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

I think that is a brilliant idea!! "

Watch it you or I'll get Ray or Alan to come to your confession

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By *iceshortsMan
over a year ago

South East


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

I think that is a brilliant idea!!

Watch it you or I'll get Ray or Alan to come to your confession "

For the record I think this is a good idea too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

I think that is a brilliant idea!!

Watch it you or I'll get Ray or Alan to come to your confession

For the record I think this is a good idea too "

The beating for Ruberfun or my confession??

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By *iceshortsMan
over a year ago

South East

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By *iceshortsMan
over a year ago

South East


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

I think that is a brilliant idea!!

Watch it you or I'll get Ray or Alan to come to your confession

Both I think?

For the record I think this is a good idea too

The beating for Ruberfun or my confession?? "

Both I think?

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"As it's Ruber's B'day I think we should replace the traditional "birthday bumps" for a flogging by all of his guests

Sorry chap!!!!

Err nope that happen for my 40th only. Purely blessings only tomorrow

For the birthday guest lift PM Tattyrubx to be added to the birthday list!"

Happy Birthday Ruber!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tag. Might actually make it there this month.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I should be coming tomorrow night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I should be coming tomorrow night "

Awesome....will you be partaking in the dress theme of Ruberfun's Birthday??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I should be coming tomorrow night

Awesome....will you be partaking in the dress theme of Ruberfun's Birthday?? "

I have nothing suitable

Can I use my Kestrels membership card tomorrow night or will I have to bring ID?

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

You will have to join an fabs but you can use your kestrel membership for I.D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You will have to join an fabs but you can use your kestrel membership for I.D "

Ok, thanks.

So on top of the £30 couples price tomorrow, will we have to pay a membership fee too?

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Is your kestrel membership joint or single. ...if ur going as a couple and the man isn't a member he has to. Bring 1 forms of ID

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is your kestrel membership joint or single. ...if ur going as a couple and the man isn't a member he has to. Bring 1 forms of ID"

My Kestrels membership is just for me.

The guy I'm going with hasn't been before so I've told him he has to bring two forms of ID.

I'm just trying to work out what the cost will be for us both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is your kestrel membership joint or single. ...if ur going as a couple and the man isn't a member he has to. Bring 1 forms of ID

My Kestrels membership is just for me.

The guy I'm going with hasn't been before so I've told him he has to bring two forms of ID.

I'm just trying to work out what the cost will be for us both."

There are no day passes anymore and he would have to pay a membership fee anyway as a single man, so it's almost certain that as a couple you will pay less overall, and if you intend going as a couple more than once definitely so.

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By *he SultanMan
over a year ago

Swindon

I haven't been since the changes and I only used to have a day pass. I'm looking to go on Weds so what do I need to pay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't been since the changes and I only used to have a day pass. I'm looking to go on Weds so what do I need to pay?"

Its going to cost you £50

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If you go as a couple you can do halfs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going to be at kestrels today.. why not...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We haven't been before, am I right in thinking £20 for membership and then £50 on top of that for entry?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We haven't been before, am I right in thinking £20 for membership and then £50 on top of that for entry?! "

£30 for Kestrels daytimes per couple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We haven't been before, am I right in thinking £20 for membership and then £50 on top of that for entry?!

£30 for Kestrels daytimes per couple. "

Thank you, we were looking at going perhaps Saturday evening?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We haven't been before, am I right in thinking £20 for membership and then £50 on top of that for entry?!

£30 for Kestrels daytimes per couple.

Thank you, we were looking at going perhaps Saturday evening?"

Saturday evenings the venue becomes abfabs and different prices are in place and seperate memberships are required. Kesterels & abfabs are not interchangeable on fridays & saturdays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We haven't been before, am I right in thinking £20 for membership and then £50 on top of that for entry?!

£30 for Kestrels daytimes per couple.

Thank you, we were looking at going perhaps Saturday evening?

Saturday evenings the venue becomes abfabs and different prices are in place and seperate memberships are required. Kesterels & abfabs are not interchangeable on fridays & saturdays. "

According to the Abfabs website, the price is £30 for a couple on a Friday night.

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By *he SultanMan
over a year ago

Swindon


"If you go as a couple you can do halfs! "

Are you offering

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By *aucy tiggerWoman
over a year ago

Back where I belong

Reporting in xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just off there now for a suprise visit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heading there tonight!! Can anyone confirm the membership price please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heading there tonight!! Can anyone confirm the membership price please "

I believe it's £10 for a woman.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Just off there now for a suprise visit! "

You've just spoilt the surprise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heading there tonight!! Can anyone confirm the membership price please

I believe it's £10 for a woman.

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thank you! X

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By *ockandkeyCouple
over a year ago

Aylesbury

Impromptu visit tonight!

Anyone else going?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just off there now for a suprise visit!

You've just spoilt the surprise. "

It was very quiet, probably due to the weather, so nobody was surprised!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone tomorrow afternoon then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Impromptu visit tonight!

Anyone else going? "

It is Ruberfun's birthday bash so just look out for the Nun's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tagging in.

Happy birthday rubber x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you go to Kestrels on a Wedsnday afternoon can you still stay on for the evening or do you have to pay again for Abfabs party?

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"If you go to Kestrels on a Wedsnday afternoon can you still stay on for the evening or do you have to pay again for Abfabs party?"

Monday to Wednesday is just one session from 10:30AM to midnight for the one entry fee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope the birthday party went well and many "confessions" were heard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope the birthday party went well and many "confessions" were heard "

Confessions may continue this afternoon in the pool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Enroute to Kestrels....bringing the sunahine with us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope the birthday party went well and many "confessions" were heard

Confessions may continue this afternoon in the pool "

"Blessings" in the pool lol.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

I'm going tonight ... haven't been for a while

Come say hi if you are going

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

I think my hibernation may have started...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

New to the scene.

Is Arab/kestrel the same place?

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By *aucy tiggerWoman
over a year ago

Back where I belong

To go or not to go that is the question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New to the scene.

Is Arab/kestrel the same place?"

I believe they are several thousand miles apart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think my hibernation may have started... "

Maybe that's what I should start calling my dry spell, it sounds better than years of involuntary celibacy.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire


"I think my hibernation may have started...

Maybe that's what I should start calling my dry spell, it sounds better than years of involuntary celibacy."

Least there's no arguing over the wet spot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yay kestrels tomorrow with my sexy Fb can't bloody wait it's been ages

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By *ames B100Man
over a year ago

Hampshire


"Yay kestrels tomorrow with my sexy Fb can't bloody wait it's been ages "

I'm planning to go there tomorrow too, how is Kestrels on Monday evening..? Hope to see you there after 5pm..tall dark handsome guy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry darling I've not been in ages so wouldn't have a clue , it used to be good fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New to the scene.

Is Arab/kestrel the same place?

I believe they are several thousand miles apart"

Put him out of his misery.

Basically Kestrels is daytime Abfabs is evening, but on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday if you've come for Kestrels you can stay through the evening without paying again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think my hibernation may have started...

Maybe that's what I should start calling my dry spell, it sounds better than years of involuntary celibacy.

Least there's no arguing over the wet spot "

Arguing over the wet spot would indicate I still knew how to cause one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New to the scene.

Is Arab/kestrel the same place?

I believe they are several thousand miles apart"

Ha, love it. Depending on the night, it's not exactly a false statement.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire


"I think my hibernation may have started...

Maybe that's what I should start calling my dry spell, it sounds better than years of involuntary celibacy.

Least there's no arguing over the wet spot

Arguing over the wet spot would indicate I still knew how to cause one."

Not if one of you peed yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Peeking in xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ordering a sunny day for Sunday please

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire


"Ordering a sunny day for Sunday please "

Sunny and warm pls... shall we hold hands and ohmmmmmm??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did anyone else get an email from them today about starting a new legal action against the police with the help of someone called ":Julian-anthony: Fernandes"?

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

I got that, the email sounded a bit deranged if I'm honest. Google the name, doesn't inspire confidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got that, the email sounded a bit deranged if I'm honest. Google the name, doesn't inspire confidence. "

No, from the looks of it he's a freeman-on-the-land basket case who's likely to cost them a lot of money and sink any chance they have of winning in the courts.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Did anyone else get an email from them today about starting a new legal action against the police with the help of someone called ":Julian-anthony: Fernandes"?"

Action against the police? Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did anyone else get an email from them today about starting a new legal action against the police with the help of someone called ":Julian-anthony: Fernandes"?

Action against the police? Why?"

Its called clutching at straws.

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time "

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure? "

Nope

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure?

Nope"

So the email that went out stated that they were still under threat of closure?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure?

Nope

So the email that went out stated that they were still under threat of closure? "

They lost the high court appeal so the situation is the same.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure?

Nope

So the email that went out stated that they were still under threat of closure?

They lost the high court appeal so the situation is the same. "

Yeah, but that was before the new legal team told them to obtain private club status.

Can anyone tell us exactly what was in the email?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah ha, that might explain the metal fencing around the venue. I think the Police must be helping the council gain access so they can serve the enforcement order and inspect the premises. I didn't get the email mentioned but Kestrels has created additional case law over the appeal and many many happy memories for lots of people. Will be such a shame to see them shut the doors for the last time

Thought that had all been sorted now they'd switched to private members club status and were no longer under threat of closure?

Nope

So the email that went out stated that they were still under threat of closure?

They lost the high court appeal so the situation is the same.

Yeah, but that was before the new legal team told them to obtain private club status.

Can anyone tell us exactly what was in the email? "

That doesn't change a thing. They would have to a apply for retrospective licencing and I think you'll find that has very little if any chance of success.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had no idea their legal issues were still on going.

Good luck to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had no idea their legal issues were still on going.

Good luck to them. "

They will be able to keep one step ahead of the council for a long time!

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

To be brutally honest, as a repeat visitor and an avid supporter of signing whatever is needed, without actually seeing what I have signed to support them, I feel beyond let down with the lack of transparency with everything that is going on with their fight to stay open. If they were more transparent, there would be no chinese whispers and less disgruntled folk around wondering if they will be open this time next week/year.

It's a farce.

That is my opinion, I have not come for an argument, nothing I have said is untrue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be brutally honest, as a repeat visitor and an avid supporter of signing whatever is needed, without actually seeing what I have signed to support them, I feel beyond let down with the lack of transparency with everything that is going on with their fight to stay open. If they were more transparent, there would be no chinese whispers and less disgruntled folk around wondering if they will be open this time next week/year.

It's a farce.

That is my opinion, I have not come for an argument, nothing I have said is untrue.

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It's been going on such a long time that we have sort of lost interest. Of course we want them to stay open, but also agree with the need for transparency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is the place open at the moment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So is the place open at the moment?"

Oh yes it has remained open throughout and intends to remain so. Recently it's been quite busy too.

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By *rightonCheekyMan
over a year ago

Brighton

I got that email and it was a bit of a WTF moment. It was rambling and incoherent and instilled no confidence whatsoever in the venue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a great night at AbFabs last night with the help of two guys in the cinema room

It's always a great place to go and we'll be supporting it until it's dying breath...

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By *aucy tiggerWoman
over a year ago

Back where I belong

Long may they continue the fight, but it would be nice if they could put an official notice out stating exactly what's going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I ask what time Kestrels close today x

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"Can I ask what time Kestrels close today x"

It officially turns in to AbFabs at 6 but in truth that just means they open the house as well. Since if you are already there they do not re-charge you the answer is midnight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankyou x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be brutally honest, as a repeat visitor and an avid supporter of signing whatever is needed, without actually seeing what I have signed to support them, I feel beyond let down with the lack of transparency with everything that is going on with their fight to stay open. If they were more transparent, there would be no chinese whispers and less disgruntled folk around wondering if they will be open this time next week/year.

It's a farce.

That is my opinion, I have not come for an argument, nothing I have said is untrue.

"

Unfortunately I doubt very much if you or anyone is going to get a straight answer. I suspect that one day it will just close and that will be the end of that. Be under no illusions though the council want the place closed and closed it will be. This has happened to other venues in the past and the council have always won. They have extremely high resources at there disposal and its not only the council who are on there backs, the boys from health and safety are too and have been for a while and yes I did that information from the people who run the club. Don't get me wrong, I hate to see another venue shut but this only has one end and that is closure. We no longer attend for other reasons, which I have expressed in other threads, but we hope people enjoy the venue while its still there but as I have said this can't and wont carry on no matter what the owners & staff tell you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be brutally honest, as a repeat visitor and an avid supporter of signing whatever is needed, without actually seeing what I have signed to support them, I feel beyond let down with the lack of transparency with everything that is going on with their fight to stay open. If they were more transparent, there would be no chinese whispers and less disgruntled folk around wondering if they will be open this time next week/year.

It's a farce.

That is my opinion, I have not come for an argument, nothing I have said is untrue.

Unfortunately I doubt very much if you or anyone is going to get a straight answer. I suspect that one day it will just close and that will be the end of that. Be under no illusions though the council want the place closed and closed it will be. This has happened to other venues in the past and the council have always won. They have extremely high resources at there disposal and its not only the council who are on there backs, the boys from health and safety are too and have been for a while and yes I did that information from the people who run the club. Don't get me wrong, I hate to see another venue shut but this only has one end and that is closure. We no longer attend for other reasons, which I have expressed in other threads, but we hope people enjoy the venue while its still there but as I have said this can't and wont carry on no matter what the owners & staff tell you."

There will be no closure on health and safety grounds etc as last year Kestrels got their act together on that and the fire safety side. It's a shame that a club that causes no hassle to the council or the village, separated as they are from housing, is being harassed for no good reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be brutally honest, as a repeat visitor and an avid supporter of signing whatever is needed, without actually seeing what I have signed to support them, I feel beyond let down with the lack of transparency with everything that is going on with their fight to stay open. If they were more transparent, there would be no chinese whispers and less disgruntled folk around wondering if they will be open this time next week/year.

It's a farce.

That is my opinion, I have not come for an argument, nothing I have said is untrue.

Unfortunately I doubt very much if you or anyone is going to get a straight answer. I suspect that one day it will just close and that will be the end of that. Be under no illusions though the council want the place closed and closed it will be. This has happened to other venues in the past and the council have always won. They have extremely high resources at there disposal and its not only the council who are on there backs, the boys from health and safety are too and have been for a while and yes I did that information from the people who run the club. Don't get me wrong, I hate to see another venue shut but this only has one end and that is closure. We no longer attend for other reasons, which I have expressed in other threads, but we hope people enjoy the venue while its still there but as I have said this can't and wont carry on no matter what the owners & staff tell you.

There will be no closure on health and safety grounds etc as last year Kestrels got their act together on that and the fire safety side. It's a shame that a club that causes no hassle to the council or the village, separated as they are from housing, is being harassed for no good reason. "

Unfortunately they didn't follow the law and the council have the law on there side. The only answer is to accept it, pack up and start again or give up and remember the memories. Councils have different outlooks depending on were you are, it just so happens that this council don't want a club on there patch. What the patrons want is neither here nor there. You can sign all the petitions you want but it won't make a blind bit of difference. Try going to the local MP and see if they can help, of course you'll have to wait for them to stop laughing before you get told to sod off! Lol. We are a minority and to a large part of society we are one that they like to point, laugh and sneer at. Thats just the way it is. Of course there is the argument that these people don't understand the reality of this life style, and they dont, but the truth is they don't want to understand it. Reading the tabloids version of events if much more fun than the truth. I know some people will view this as a defeatist attitude but I see it as realism. I have been on the scene for the thick end of twenty years and I won't give it up anytime soon but I accepted a long time ago that to most people this business is totally unacceptable and that that situation isn't going to change in a hurry and that is the problem that Abfabs is facing.

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations. "

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations. "

I have been going to Kestrels for 6 years and I don't think there has ever been a reason to question their commitment to the safety and well-being of their members. And I don't see that this has changed in any way, nor has any relevance to their fight against closure, something that they have been dealing with for a considerable length of time.

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By *lovisMan
over a year ago

Twickenham


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts. "

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue. "

And so speaks the voice of the faithful, blind but faithful nevertheless...

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By *he SultanMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Is anyone going tomorrow late afternoon / evening? I need a chill and all the noise on this thread is putting me off

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Oh dear oh dear.......make our own mind about going. ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue.

And so speaks the voice of the faithful, blind but faithful nevertheless..."

Obviously some people have it in for the club regardless of the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue.

And so speaks the voice of the faithful, blind but faithful nevertheless...

Obviously some people have it in for the club regardless of the facts. "

And some people can't face the truth even when its staring them in the face.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

And what is the truth in this matter?

Not presumption or hearsay but known verifiable truth.

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By *rightonCheekyMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"And what is the truth in this matter?

Not presumption or hearsay but known verifiable truth."

The email they sent out is the truth in their eyes surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue.

And so speaks the voice of the faithful, blind but faithful nevertheless...

Obviously some people have it in for the club regardless of the facts.

And some people can't face the truth even when its staring them in the face."

Some of us just enjoy going to the club, that's the truth!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was there a couple of weeks ago, someone fell out of the swing (or did it fail in some way don't know) and hurt their back and an ambulance was called. Don't know if that's linked, I suspect not but does illustrate a point. If you take money, whether a private club or not, you have a duty of care to those paying so I'm glad 'H&S are on their backs'. Its a business, not a hobby. Any number of disclaimers can't shield you from statutory obligations.

Yes it's good that H&S applies. However accidents do happen. We have seen somebody collapse after spending too long in the hot tub. That is despite the clear warning not to do so. It's wrong to even suggest the swing was at fault without knowing the facts.

I can categorically say that the swing was not at fault in this case. Suggesting that the club doesn't carry out its H & S responsibilities adequately is just another cheap shot at this well run and much loved venue.

And so speaks the voice of the faithful, blind but faithful nevertheless...

Obviously some people have it in for the club regardless of the facts.

And some people can't face the truth even when its staring them in the face.

Some of us just enjoy going to the club, that's the truth! "

Enjoying is fine. Thats totally different from inevitably.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats crazy about all this is the owner brought this on himself. If he had gone through the proper channels in the first place then there is a chance that none of this would be happening. I stress the word chance because it looks very much like the council want the place shut no matter what.

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By *usty and LustyCouple
over a year ago

Fleet

Tend to agree, as much I enjoyed the club, the spin and half truths from the owners are beginning to unravel, sacking their legal team to replace him with a man with a horrendous reputation who's not quite on the level on legal terms is a joke, smacks of desperation, on the h&s front they do not care, it's about the money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is incredible is that the management are accepting new members and are asking them to pay a membership fee to a club that has already got a closure order on it.

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By *layful HarlequinMan
over a year ago

iver heath

Been here once and loved it would love to go again but don't have the courage to go on my own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is incredible is that the management are accepting new members and are asking them to pay a membership fee to a club that has already got a closure order on it. "

That's been the situation for probably as long as we've been going. During those years many people have had a great time there and continue to do so.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire


"What is incredible is that the management are accepting new members and are asking them to pay a membership fee to a club that has already got a closure order on it.

That's been the situation for probably as long as we've been going. During those years many people have had a great time there and continue to do so. "

Membership is £10 now for everyone so it's not too painful

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By *alentino7Man
over a year ago

London


"Membership is £10 now for everyone so it's not too painful "

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

So.....

how about we celebrate the fact that the club is currently open, stop posting the anti club crap and get on with being freindly sociable people as most swingers are.

Perhaps you lot dissing the the club could start your own post and talk amongst yourselves

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots


"So.....

how about we celebrate the fact that the club is currently open, stop posting the anti club crap and get on with being freindly sociable people as most swingers are.

Perhaps you lot dissing the the club could start your own post and talk amongst yourselves "

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By *horty4Man
over a year ago

london

It's a commercial enterprise, I use it which shows like more things than I dislike to the tune of hundreads of pounds a year. That does not give it a free pass from any criticism. its packed most times so more disagree than agree with me, that's fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So.....

how about we celebrate the fact that the club is currently open, stop posting the anti club crap and get on with being freindly sociable people as most swingers are.

Perhaps you lot dissing the the club could start your own post and talk amongst yourselves "

I have at no time suggested that people should not attend. Where people decide to go is up to them. Correct information allows proper choices and there is nothing wrong with that.

This is an open forum, which is not owned or operated by abfabs, and with this in mind everyone has the right to say what they think and to give there own opinions.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!

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By *he SultanMan
over a year ago

Swindon


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!"

It's evades love.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!"

Oh dear lol

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!

It's evades love."

Whatever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!

It's evades love.

Whatever "

Much love to you as well x

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By *errysMan
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

Went to abfabs last night.

Had a great time playing on the swing.........

What a shame nobody joined me.

(This is what i call a light hearted comment)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!

It's evades love.

Whatever

Much love to you as well x"

Fuck, thats funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see the English language evaids some on here.....THEIR belonging to THEM!

It's evades love."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is this closure order?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order? "

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling."

Nothing new there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there. "

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this."

To be honest we will just carry on enjoying the place as long as it exists. It's their problem to sort out not ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

To be honest we will just carry on enjoying the place as long as it exists. It's their problem to sort out not ours."

Thats very true and I sincerely hope you do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

To be honest we will just carry on enjoying the place as long as it exists. It's their problem to sort out not ours.

Thats very true and I sincerely hope you do. "

And we will probably be there this Saturday afternoon to enjoy the naked swimmmng!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this."

And what is that then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

And what is that then?

"

Not on your life...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

And what is that then?

Not on your life..."

Then you're a liar and know nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where is this closure order?

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1403556/court-appeal-backs-surrey-green-belt-naturist-spa-enforcement-action

Look for yourself. It clearly states that the property is to be returned to its former use ie a residential dwelling.

Nothing new there.

No you are quite right, as I said before nothing has changed at all. The situation is exactly as it was when they lost the appeal. What they obviously don't know or haven't been told is that there is an easy way out of all of this.

And what is that then?

Not on your life...

Then you're a liar and know nothing"

Go ask the owner if im a liar.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Getting like a playground now! !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Getting like a playground now! !!"

I don't understand why the supporters can't be left to continue to enjoy the club and all it still offers, whilst those who don't just get on with what they do. Seems simple enough.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots


"

Getting like a playground now! !!

I don't understand why the supporters can't be left to continue to enjoy the club and all it still offers, whilst those who don't just get on with what they do. Seems simple enough. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Getting like a playground now! !!

I don't understand why the supporters can't be left to continue to enjoy the club and all it still offers, whilst those who don't just get on with what they do. Seems simple enough. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Anyone going tomorrow day?

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By *oreFunForAllCouple
over a year ago

Dumstable


"Anyone going tomorrow day?"

We are there tomorrow x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going tonight with Naughty Nymphomaniac under our couples profile, The Explicit Adventurers, we've never been so are very excited to have a fun and naughty time.

Drop us a line on our couples profile if you're going to be there too x

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By *morehard4uMan
over a year ago

London

I tried to go today and they fenced off the entire property and posted it with NO TRESPASSING signs...looks like they/we have lost the battle. Gonna miss that place...great memories and sexy friends.

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By *azuraiWoman
over a year ago

North London

They were open, we were there. They unlock the gate for you.

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By *xOxonguyMan
over a year ago

Oxford

Anyone going Wednesday? Me and a friend going and would love to meet some new play friends

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By *aptain VMan
over a year ago

Birstall, Leicester

I mite go on weds. Any ladies going

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going this afternoon X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone going Sunday?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep, going tomorrow with the girls. Hoping for a warm day

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By *laynice1Man
over a year ago

london

Heading down in the am for a swim and relax, haven't been in ages!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By the time I get around to going back, I dare say, there won't be any warm days left: it'll be who can get in the jacuzzi first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice day even if a little chilly

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge

Heading down tomorrow, hope it warms up a bit

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By *J1188Man
over a year ago

london

It will be closed down by the end of September

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It will be closed down by the end of September"

U can't say that.... No-one knows what is going on....

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"It will be closed down by the end of September"

Who did you hear that from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It will be closed down by the end of September"

Another rubbish rumour!

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge

As long as its open today I'll take it one step at a time xxxxxxx

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By *alisburycplCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury

Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!

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By *alisburycplCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!"

Not sure what your point is? As far as I'm aware it's not HMRC who are trying to get the club closed, it's the Council due to planning issues.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!

Not sure what your point is? As far as I'm aware it's not HMRC who are trying to get the club closed, it's the Council due to planning issues. "

It is the council, but I kind of see their point - Kestrels does pay their taxes, employs people and brings trade to the local convenience store and takeaway's. We don't do any harm, but still the place is hassled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!

Not sure what your point is? As far as I'm aware it's not HMRC who are trying to get the club closed, it's the Council due to planning issues.

It is the council, but I kind of see their point - Kestrels does pay their taxes, employs people and brings trade to the local convenience store and takeaway's. We don't do any harm, but still the place is hassled. "

The reason the club is being "hassled" is because it broke the law on two fronts. If you built in your back garden without planning permission and started running an unlicensed club then you'd have the council on your back just like they have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!

Not sure what your point is? As far as I'm aware it's not HMRC who are trying to get the club closed, it's the Council due to planning issues.

It is the council, but I kind of see their point - Kestrels does pay their taxes, employs people and brings trade to the local convenience store and takeaway's. We don't do any harm, but still the place is hassled.

The reason the club is being "hassled" is because it broke the law on two fronts. If you built in your back garden without planning permission and started running an unlicensed club then you'd have the council on your back just like they have. "

Those points are true but of course the shame is that it's an ideal location that causes no harm to anybody else and in fact provides employment, and of course recreational activities are allowed in the "green" belt if the council wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never been before,but saddened that s few people can ruin a fun place to go.

Most people that go are professional people that pay their tax's.

I presume the club pay their tax's as well.

Why can't they spend their time catching the scrounges instead!

Not sure what your point is? As far as I'm aware it's not HMRC who are trying to get the club closed, it's the Council due to planning issues.

It is the council, but I kind of see their point - Kestrels does pay their taxes, employs people and brings trade to the local convenience store and takeaway's. We don't do any harm, but still the place is hassled.

The reason the club is being "hassled" is because it broke the law on two fronts. If you built in your back garden without planning permission and started running an unlicensed club then you'd have the council on your back just like they have.

Those points are true but of course the shame is that it's an ideal location that causes no harm to anybody else and in fact provides employment, and of course recreational activities are allowed in the "green" belt if the council wanted."

You are quite right and agree that it doesn't cause any harm and it bring revenue to the local economy. Unfortunately councils run on a rules based system and those rules are generally not flexible. Maybe if the owner had followed the rules then this situation wouldn't be happening but I doubt it.

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield


"It will be closed down by the end of September"

You said that elsewhere.... where do you get that info from ? AFAIK people have been saying that for a year or more.

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

ANyone going to be there tomorrow evening ?

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