FabSwingers.com forum: Clubs are too expensive for single guys.

By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago

Crawley

It's been discussed to death as to why guys get charged so much more than girls to get in to clubs - we know something has to be done to balance the genders. My question is just a straw poll of the guys who say it's too expensive - is it "can't pay" or " won't pay"? Do you boycott clubs cos you feel you're over-charged/ripped off or can you not justify spending the money due to other financial commitments. And to the guys in couples who get in at a discounted rate split between two of you - could you and would you still attend your favourite club if you were on your own and paying single guys rates?

Oh, and bonus points to the first married man who's brave enough to admit swinging as a single guy would still be cheaper than funding his wife's vast collection of shoes.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Luckily I only live a 10 minute walk from the Attic and it's only £20 for single guys

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

We go to Fun4two in Holland.

It's a £120.00 per couple per visit. No single guys unless by invite or special night.

So when guys moan at £20.00 it seems a tad cheap.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Being an old fashioned kind of guy I pay and would never expect Flik to share the cost. Same goes for any night out. In terms of cost, going to chams is cheaper than a meal out with friends and we can be there for 12 hours or more and, more to the point, we love being there. Would I still go if I was single and pay the price?...for me swinging is a couples activity but if I was happy to swing as a single, hell yeah.

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area

"It's been discussed to death as to why guys get charged so much more than girls to get in to clubs - we know something has to be done to balance the genders. My question is just a straw poll of the guys who say it's too expensive - is it "can't pay" or " won't pay"? Do you boycott clubs cos you feel you're over-charged/ripped off or can you not justify spending the money due to other financial commitments. And to the guys in couples who get in at a discounted rate split between two of you - could you and would you still attend your favourite club if you were on your own and paying single guys rates?

Oh, and bonus points to the first married man who's brave enough to admit swinging as a single guy would still be cheaper than funding his wife's vast collection of shoes.

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As a guy who is part of a couple (Cheese and Wine)it is no problem for me to pay single guys rates to attend any of our favourite clubs

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Maybe it's just a southern thing.. the local club I go to charges differently on different nights... and the most charged is 35 pounds

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By *r an Mrs xMan
over a year ago

liverpool

total rubbish

amours wed no membership £10

amours tue no membeship £25 and members £15

since when is £20 for a night out expensive

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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're worth it guys. Pay up!

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By *ecretsRmineWoman
over a year ago

gatwickish (yes that means near Gatwick)

"Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys. "

Thats mostly sutton house events tho from what i saw

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"total rubbish

amours wed no membership £10

amours tue no membeship £25 and members £15

since when is £20 for a night out expensive

Yes, in the north these are more like the prices in lots of clubs for single guys. Our thought is that the pricing is just an excuse for guys who wouldn't go anyway.

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By *aybird69Woman
over a year ago

Doncaster

It's actually cheaper for a night out in a swingers club than a night out round town

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys. "

How much would you pay if you were to go out drinking with friends? Or to have a meal and go to the cinema? If you look at it from that point of view it doesn't seem quite as much really.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys.

How much would you pay if you were to go out drinking with friends? Or to have a meal and go to the cinema? If you look at it from that point of view it doesn't seem quite as much really. "

The thing is 'some' single guys want to pay the money and get a guaranteed shag. If they get a shag it's money well spent. If not they view the money as wasted.

However even couples don't swap sometimes because they don't fancy any of the guys there or the Ones they do fancy are 'busy ' but you don't see them complaining about prices for a shagless night.

The guys forget they can get verified by couples they have chatted with at clubs and this helps with future meets on Fabs or direct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Luckily I only live a 10 minute walk from the Attic and it's only £20 for single guys

Now that is reasonably priced

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By *rivate roomMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

Clubs are expensive for single guys especially when play room doors are closed and cpls and groups are enjoying themselves inside the room but don't want single guys. I also know that you are paying for use of the club and its facilities and not to be entertained by other swingers.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Clubs are expensive for single guys especially when play room doors are closed and cpls and groups are enjoying themselves inside the room but don't want single guys. I also know that you are paying for use of the club and its facilities and not to be entertained by other swingers. "

The problem is that you're seeing it as just a place to find a shag, swingers in general are sociable and dont just go for an easy lay. If you put the effort in to talk to people instead of just walking around trying the locked doors you might actually have some luck.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Here here what I've been saying too

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

If your that desperate for a shag just dial a shag I'm sure you won't waste ur money that way cos is guaranteed. .....and you won't have to have a discussion lol

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Nobody is guaranteed to be having sexual fun. We've been to clubs as a couple and not played, because we didn't click with anybody. We've seen single women at clubs who were genuinely looking and there was no-one suitable. People go and sometimes there's no sex, everybody is in the same boat.

You go there relax and enjoy it for what it is, you might play, you might not.

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By *ave n jacquiCouple
over a year ago

KENT

"Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys.

How much would you pay if you were to go out drinking with friends? Or to ha ve a meal and go to the cinema? If you look at it from that point of view it doesn't seem quite as much really. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would it be fair to say that clubs ideally want to attract 'attractive' guys?

Therefore, surely aethetically pleasing men should be paying less?

How about a 'variable entry price' based on how hot you are?!

just sayin'.... (I'd have to pay a fair whack)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theatre tickets, gig tickets, sporting events' tickets - how much do they cost? Ir a night out at over a fiver a pint?

Most people have disposable cash, it's just how you choose to spend it and what;s perceived as value for money that changes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here here what I've been saying too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would it be fair to say that clubs ideally want to attract 'attractive' guys?

Therefore, surely aethetically pleasing men should be paying less?

How about a 'variable entry price' based on how hot you are?!

just sayin'.... (I'd have to pay a fair whack)"

Who decides what is "attractive" ... what i like in a man is probably different from lots of other women on fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£20 for a single male is very reasonable ... even the women are charged £15 in glasgow and i think single guys might be £40/45 now ... in edinburgh I think it might be about £35 but the first night there is also a joiners fee of around another £30

While I dont agree with anyone turning up & expecting sex ... i do think there should always be at least 1 room that would be unlocked for voyeurs ... if you dont want to be that exhibitionist couple then easy just use one of the other closed rooms ... if you have a peoblem with single men watching then use the couples and single fems nights ... i just think even as a girl having a quick peek in an open room adds to the sexy atmosphere of a club and there are plenty of closed rooms available if you dont want to be involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on given most are BYOB you make up entry cost in a few rounds and that's assuming you normally go out drinking to a club without an entry fee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually, at London prices, some clubs go up to 70 quid a night for single guys. "

And how far would that get you on a normal night out in London?

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By *aznlouCouple
over a year ago

co durham

Some men try and get single women to go to a club as a couple so they get cheaper entry. I've gone to a Club as a single fem & couple & Daz has gone in a single man before. You make it what it is. We spent a fortune on a night out so we often go club for a night out even if not playing as it's cheaper & still socialise lol

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

I went to the club in swinton with a lady. I forget the name of it. I paid 20 quid for the pair of us. I think the same night it was 35 quid for a single guy plus 50 quid membership. I paid something like a tenner for my s. So technically still didnt pay as much for entrance for 2 plus drinks as a single guy would for just his entrance fee. Thats just the way it is.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Some guys buy season tickets for footy clubs... hundreds of pounds, or gig tickets, or festivals, or nights out on the lash with the lads.... don't bat an eye.... but ask them to pay for entry to a swingers club and they go off on one.

Don't like it, don't pay, simples.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"Some guys buy season tickets for footy clubs... hundreds of pounds, or gig tickets, or festivals, or nights out on the lash with the lads.... don't bat an eye.... but ask them to pay for entry to a swingers club and they go off on one.

Don't like it, don't pay, simples.

Yep thats kinda what happens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't like it, don't pay, simples.

I believe some guys protest the prices on the principle that it's an 'unequal' pricing structure. So, they would perhaps be happy paying £50 if that meant single women in turn paid £50, and couples paid £100.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its supply and demand ... less male spaces, more males looking to fil them

Sinple economics

The same reason your summer holiday costs more during school holidays ... they arent ripping you off because you are limited to when you can go .., they just have more demand for seats on flights or rooms in hotels so people are willing to pay more to make sure they get the booking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never been to club, but as a single guy on a night out, spending £40-70 can be done in a few hours. Plus i imagine in a club your percentages improve of meeting someone who finds you physically attractive - & wants to take that further. How many times have you gone home alone on a regular night out?

You don't have to enter a club, but the ratio of males to females is probably higher - so theoretically it's common sense to pay more than women.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"Never been to club, but as a single guy on a night out, spending £40-70 can be done in a few hours. Plus i imagine in a club your percentages improve of meeting someone who finds you physically attractive - & wants to take that further. How many times have you gone home alone on a regular night out?

You don't have to enter a club, but the ratio of males to females is probably higher - so theoretically it's common sense to pay more than women. "

Explain to me how therotically its common sense to pay more.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Clubs charge single guys more because they know they can get away with it. I dont understand why people try and dress it up any other way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to enter a club, but the ratio of males to females is probably higher - so theoretically it's common sense to pay more than women.

Explain to me how therotically its common sense to pay more."

There are more men than women, so men make up bulk of clientele= price differences on them = bigger change than a difference on the smaller number of women.

Most men go to meet women, encouraging women with discount prices means more attraction for the men who are the bulk customer.

Women are like a loss leading deal in the supermarket, only there to draw you in to buy the higher margin items.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Clubs charge single guys more because they know they can get away with it. I dont understand why people try and dress it up any other way."

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By *lub Rouge ManchesterCouple
over a year ago

manchester

If clubs charged men and women the same it would be a gay sauna ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If clubs charged men and women the same it would be a gay sauna ..."

So what you're saying is women are cheapskates

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Thankfully, voyeurism is part of my interest so as long as other people are getting openly frisky I`m happy! Anything else is a bonus!

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

You don't have to enter a club, but the ratio of males to females is probably higher - so theoretically it's common sense to pay more than women.

Explain to me how therotically its common sense to pay more.

There are more men than women, so men make up bulk of clientele= price differences on them = bigger change than a difference on the smaller number of women.

Most men go to meet women, encouraging women with discount prices means more attraction for the men who are the bulk customer.

Women are like a loss leading deal in the supermarket, only there to draw you in to buy the higher margin items.

Spot on yeah.

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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago

Cheshire

A lot of parties we have done are flat rate £10 per person entry. We've had men complain and try and get in for free on those nights when we have charged the staggered entry costs we've had no issue ha. For my (and my partners) private parties, the most we charge a guy is £20 and that's for Friday night parties. The club I work for is free membership and I think the highest entry cost for guys is £30.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"A lot of parties we have done are flat rate £10 per person entry. We've had men complain and try and get in for free on those nights when we have charged the staggered entry costs we've had no issue ha. For my (and my partners) private parties, the most we charge a guy is £20 and that's for Friday night parties. The club I work for is free membership and I think the highest entry cost for guys is £30.

Thats much more reasonable

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

It's an hour's drive to the nearest club for me, so I have to factor in the cost of fuel, the time on the road, and the entry fee, before I start to think about people looking down their noses at yet another guy on his own, and is it really worth it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We go to Fun4two in Holland.

It's a £120.00 per couple per visit. No single guys unless by invite or special night.

So when guys moan at £20.00 it seems a tad cheap.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think the average person can afford £120 per visit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I buy my own shoes and make more money than my husband.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"It's an hour's drive to the nearest club for me, so I have to factor in the cost of fuel, the time on the road, and the entry fee, before I start to think about people looking down their noses at yet another guy on his own, and is it really worth it? "

You're not the only one who has to drive to clubs. We do the same.

Clubs in Manchester, that you might drive to are £25ish for single guys, and other club goers engage with them and enjoy them being there, the same as they do anybody else.

If you don't want to go to a club, just don't go, no need to invent reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you live somewhere remote is that not the same for many things?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"We go to Fun4two in Holland.

It's a £120.00 per couple per visit. No single guys unless by invite or special night.

So when guys moan at £20.00 it seems a tad cheap.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think the average person can afford £120 per visit. "

Clubs like f4t and fata morgana are all inclusive. The £120 couple fee includes a very good food and all drinks for all night in a mega club, with lounges, gardens and pools. They are full with people. Maybe not a place for a weekly visit but definitely worth the entry.

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By *mcouple1Couple
over a year ago

nr warrington

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By *TFSeventyMan
over a year ago

Weybridge

Personally I think it's good single guys are charged more. It evens out the ratio in many clubs otherwise the place will be too guy heavy. I want clubs to attract couples and single women and the obvious way is to charge them less.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

You're not the only one who has to drive to clubs. We do the same.

Clubs in Manchester, that you might drive to are £25ish for single guys, and other club goers engage with them and enjoy them being there, the same as they do anybody else.

If you don't want to go to a club, just don't go, no need to invent reasons."

Try living 150 miles away from my favourite club plus hotel costs before you even get to the club! It`s a great club and worth it, especially if I can include other things on the way there or back. Just needs a bit of planning to get the best out of it!

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By *itmanAndHerrCouple
over a year ago

st helens

Oh, and bonus points to the first married man who's brave enough to admit swinging as a single guy would still be cheaper than funding his wife's vast collection of shoes.

No I wouldn't go to clubs on my own if I was single. We only use clubs to meet ladies for the first time so they feel safe/comfortable.

I personally think the rates charged for single men are fair. 20 to 30 pounds? Not a bad price to pay for the experience you no doubt get out of it. It costs 15 to 20 pounds to get in a good normal nightclub.

We've paid £120 as a couple in the past to go to a private sex party where single ladies attended for free but we weren't complaining.

There are certainly more expensive ways of having sex with one or more women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're worth it guys. Pay up!

Yes you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the private parties, do you restrict the number of single men, or only allow men who are 'approved' in some way? Are they bi friendly?

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

You're not the only one who has to drive to clubs. We do the same.

Clubs in Manchester, that you might drive to are £25ish for single guys, and other club goers engage with them and enjoy them being there, the same as they do anybody else.

If you don't want to go to a club, just don't go, no need to invent reasons."

Having visited two clubs, so speaking from experience, I'm hardly 'inventing' reasons

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

But if you live somewhere remote is that not the same for many things?"

Yes it would be. But I'm only 'remote' from swingers' clubs lol

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

luton

We go to jaydees and they only charge single guys £5 more than couples to control the no of single guys they let only a certain amount in on different nights , it works well my wife will decide what night she wants to go on how she is feeling or how many she wants to be felt by ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're not the only one who has to drive to clubs. We do the same.

Clubs in Manchester, that you might drive to are £25ish for single guys, and other club goers engage with them and enjoy them being there, the same as they do anybody else.

If you don't want to go to a club, just don't go, no need to invent reasons.

Having visited two clubs, so speaking from experience, I'm hardly 'inventing' reasons

So is it the cost of the entry fee, or the club experience that puts you off?

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By *ltrMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Cheaper and safer then a night out on the town if you do get to have fun with a female or male you are all there for the same thing .you can chat about sex and dress in as little as you wish in relative safety

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

You're not the only one who has to drive to clubs. We do the same.

Clubs in Manchester, that you might drive to are £25ish for single guys, and other club goers engage with them and enjoy them being there, the same as they do anybody else.

If you don't want to go to a club, just don't go, no need to invent reasons.

Having visited two clubs, so speaking from experience, I'm hardly 'inventing' reasons

So is it the cost of the entry fee, or the club experience that puts you off? "

I was quite happy to pay the membership + entrance fee as a single guy on both occasions, as I was satisfying my curiosity about the club scene, something I had thought about for a long time. I went with no expectations too, as I had read the many, many threads about single guys in clubs, and how they should approach others, conduct themselves, etc. I haven't been put off, and do plan to visit another, keeping an open mind once more. For the time being though, based on my experiences so far, the effort required to get myself there, is outweighed by the lack of positive, fun draw

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

Remix in Swindon. Same price for all.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Many, many clubs have private events on that don't require pre-paid membership for anybody.

Oh, even if I were married, I'd buy my own shoes, I wouldn't expect anyone to 'fund' me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day clubs need to balance numbers otherwise it's a sausage fest so cost helps or would you prefer turning up at the door and being selected or rejected on looks age size ??

Oh and by the way how much have you paid out on new outfits shoes make up etc etc for your woman !!! Nothing !!!

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

"We go to Fun4two in Holland.

It's a £120.00 per couple per visit. No single guys unless by invite or special night.

So when guys moan at £20.00 it seems a tad cheap.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think the average person can afford £120 per visit. "

As has been posted. It's all inclusive - great restaurant,all drinks plus fantastic play rooms.

Both are full most weekends of 'the average person' who are happy to for a quality night.

The fantasy is what you can do when you visit.

FF2 has often been voted best swingers club in the world. We have a few times and always left happy.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"We're worth it guys. Pay up!

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worth every penny

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

It would cost that to get into Alton towers and there rides wouldn't be half as much fun, although they may last longer

lol

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By *hell and jWoman
over a year ago

Worksop

Guys you pay to go out on town drinkin anything from 50 to 100 quid in the night so why not pay 25 for entrance at the attic no membership fee take your own beer meet some great cpls singles and dance the night away xx even more if lucky enough a lot off naughty fin xx fantastic bar staff great environment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's quite simple really - if you don't like the price, don't go!

A bit like many things in life! I like food shopping in Marks and Spencer but only do it occasionally as a treat as it's pricier. I like expensive perfume and treating myself once in a while cheers me up, but I can't afford to douse myself in it every day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree I am not a member of any clubs due to time restrictions with myself due to being a single dad weekends not the best for me but many clubs in the nw have special day offers etc which I take advantage of with no membership required

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, and bonus points to the first married man who's brave enough to admit swinging as a single guy would still be cheaper than funding his wife's vast collection of shoes.

I actually agree.

Chams can cost a single male 40 quid on certain nights.

Sometimes its over compensated. Yes i like chams but i dont think its worth that

But i used to pay that kind of money for dance clubs in the 9os

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By *hitedoveWoman
over a year ago

Croydon

There are a lot of sexual stereotypes on here ... women's shoe collection being funded by her husband and men having season tickets to footie .... don't women fund their own shoe collections these days? Do all women have 'shoe collections'? Do any women have season tickets to footie? Maybe I am a man as I have no shoe collection and a season ticket ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If clubs charged men and women the same it would be a gay sauna ...

So what you're saying is women are cheapskates

Oooooops ha!

I really enjoy the club scene. Mixing and mingling with plenty of flanter. Socialising with giggles. The whole party atmosphere is exciting.

There are a few clubs mentioned in this thread I need to visit. I hear good comments from my friends who go to them and the pricing structure is reasonable.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I guess it comes down to what you feel is appropriate to pay.

A night out in a local pub can cost 30 quid for drinks. Move on to a night club and pay at least another tenner to get in and maybe another 30 quid for drinks inside.

A swingers club may charge 40 quid to get in and you spend a tenner on beer to take with you.

At the end of the night you've spent more in the pub and vanilla club than the swingers club but that's ok for some. Heaven forbid paying a few more quid to get into the swingers club than a lady or couple though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can it possibly be 'too expensive for single guys' when all we hear is how clubs are full of them. It is what it is. Get over it.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Men presumably want to turn up at a club and there be a reasonable abundance of women. How else do party organisers incentivise the women to attend and restrict male numbers from becoming excessive?

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

I am in Munich at the moment and single guys are charged anything above 120 euros....good thing I have a friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are a lot of sexual stereotypes on here ... women's shoe collection being funded by her husband and men having season tickets to footie .... don't women fund their own shoe collections these days? Do all women have 'shoe collections'? Do any women have season tickets to footie? Maybe I am a man as I have no shoe collection and a season ticket ..."

It's the swinging scene, of course it's full of stereotypes

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By *ischief ManagedCouple
over a year ago

manchester

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By *ischief ManagedCouple
over a year ago

manchester

No there not expensive in the nw.And for those thinking cock fest no they are not either.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

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over a year ago

Aberdeen

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

"I think the price is ok for guys , so many clubs are offering the ladies for free , fair enough but what I don't like is the treatment dished out to customers(single guys) by some clubs and couples. Some establishment seem to worship the ladies and couples when they deserve no worship, If the ladies are playing then you can worship them as an establishment but If they are not playing why worship them when they are of no use.

The single guys and playing couples and ladies are what you need."

It's rare I agree with you but I think you have a point.... although missed it slightly. As a woman who goes to clubs a lot I have no desire nor feeling that I am "worshipped".... what I am though is outnumbered.

In a club, on most nights, a solo woman is a rare commodity so by its very nature We are going to be popular. Sure there are women playing as couples but a woman alone isn't so common and draws attention because she can be both a couples fantasy plaything or fuck any number of the guys there.

So if I go to a club I can pretty much do as I please whether I play or not, and I very often don't.

But just having women in there is what brings the guys whether playing or not (and vice versa for me I have to say.... if there are no guys I'm not going to want to go).... So to a certain extent I think solo women are the draw and clubs should look after them... but no more or less than anyone else.

It's all down to numbers. If regularly there were 25 solo women and 1 guy in a club it would be the other way round.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think the price is ok for single guys , so many clubs are offering the ladies for free , fair enough but what I don't like is the treatment dished out to customers(single guys) by some clubs and couples. Some establishments seem to worship the ladies and couples when they deserve no worship, If the ladies are playing then you can worship them as an establishment but If they are not playing ,why worship them when they are of no use.

The single guys and playing couples and ladies are what you need.

I feel the establishments should personally go round treating the playing ladies and single guys like superstars,they should also try and explain the process to the single guys if they are new, these two groups guarantee the bread and butter , as for non playing ladies, I would not waste my time with them, they can stay in vanilla, dress up and go to town every weekend and achieve nothing or maybe one guy at best lol.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

The single guys and playing couples and ladies are what you need.

So if I go to a club I can pretty much do as I please whether I play or not, and I very often don't.

It's all down to numbers. If regularly there were 25 solo women and 1 guy in a club it would be the other way round.

V x

When I own a club this is where I would play the game differently and my managers will have that strict instruction from me , the playing women and single guys get the red carpet rolled out for them , non playing women get the hello hope you are ok , please don't give us any stress treatment.

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By *andl76Couple
over a year ago

north east

It's basic economics I think - most couples don't want too many single guys there - if any at all and there's lots that want to attend - so they can charge a premium price - you can boycott if you like but someone else will pay it .

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

The single guys and playing couples and ladies are what you need.

So if I go to a club I can pretty much do as I please whether I play or not, and I very often don't.

It's all down to numbers. If regularly there were 25 solo women and 1 guy in a club it would be the other way round.

V x

How do you differentiate between people who are going to play or not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people are only made to feel welcome if they play then you create an atmosphere of pressure to play ... and with that you just lost a good chunk of your business

People want to feel comfortable to go at their own pace with no expectation ... thy might be new to the scene , new to your club, not find anyone attractive that visit , or just want to connect with people socially to meet up for playing in private later ... i wouldnt set foot in a club where the management made me feel under pressure to participate or i wasnt welcome

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

The single guys and playing couples and ladies are what you need.

So if I go to a club I can pretty much do as I please whether I play or not, and I very often don't.

It's all down to numbers. If regularly there were 25 solo women and 1 guy in a club it would be the other way round.

V x

How do you know a woman is going to play or not? I will not go to a club where there is any pressure on me to play. I will do so only if I want to and there is something or someone that interests me. If I'm in a club and no one interests me then I'm going to have a great night at the bar .... would you consider that stress treatment? I doubt it very much.

Run a club full of people who will play with anyone anytime anywhere and I'd be expecting a different treatment ... a course of penicillin perhaps.

V x

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think the price is fine but sometimes the stress the non playing couples and non playing single ladies give the establishments is too much , even upon the fact that they are contributing nothing to the establishment, zero financial contribution and zero playing contribution, they will still be giving the establishments undue stress , if you are not a swinger and you don't like guys talking to you, why go out to stress people.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

"I think the price is fine but sometimes the stress the non playing couples and non playing single ladies give the establishments is too much , even upon the fact that they are contributing nothing to the establishment, zero financial contribution and zero playing contribution, they will still be giving the establishments undue stress , if you are not a swinger and you don't like guys talking to you, why go out to stress people."

I'd love to find an example of any club owner I've given "stress" too whether playing or not. My worth and my contribution is my own affair and doesn't need any justification, but I'm fairly sure I'm going to get invited back to everywhere I've been before.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

Oh grrrrrrr do hate spouting and then finding a typo. I meant "to". Not "too". Obviously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are either delusional or have taken a personal issue you have (with a small number of women) and completely generalised it

What women that dont swing and dont like men talking to them go to clubs to stress people out ... it wouldnt even be an enjoyable night for them

Any clubs I have been to women pay entry so they are still contributing financially , higher number of single women also draws single men ... an additional contribuion ... it also creates a good mixed crowd for people to mingle .., more contribution again

Sounds to me like you took the hump because someone rejected you and rather than make that your own issue it must be stressy women that dont like men talking to them , dont actually swing and never play

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

If people are only made to feel welcome if they play then you create an atmosphere of pressure to play ... and with that you just lost a good chunk of your business

Don't even take it to that angle , pressure play for what?, that is not what I mean, we will say hello to you and make you feel welcomed but it will be clear who we are rolling the red carpet out for.

I go to 5 star hotels and I see barmen standing with particular customers the whole night, that's a red carpet treatment , I don't see other customers complaining as a result, I don't like headaches and I have identified these are the people always creating headaches on the scene, they should stay in vanilla.

As far as am concerned everyone is free to do what makes them comfortable, these kind of people cause too many headaches.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

Thanks for the giggle though James .....

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

You are either delusional or have taken a personal issue you have (with a small number of women) and completely generalised it

What women that dont swing and dont like men talking to them go to clubs to stress people out ... it wouldnt even be an enjoyable night for them

Am an Elite single guy, no hump here, I mostly do the rejection of the ladies,I don't care if a lady rejects me, I just move on and talk to another lady,plus am hoping she rejects me quickly so I can move on, please do not call what the ladies pay contribution , I call it saving face. Even here on the forum you are already resulting to personal insults in a debate, calling me delusional for no apparent reason, this is a practical example of what am talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think why they change single men higher rate is to discourage them from going to swinging clubs where single females are encouraged to go to swinger clubs.Sum club does not even change single females I think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think why they change single men higher rate is to discourage them from going to swinging clubs where single females are encouraged to go to swinger clubs.Sum club does not even change single females I think?

Why would they discourage single men?

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

Where's the stress?

People chatting, laughing, socialising even if not playing create a good atmosphere Where's the stress?

By visiting and playing to enter, buying drinks they are contributing to the club along with generating a great ambience

Couples or single women rarely) and single guys who don't respect others and the rules, they cause the stress.

Clubs that have a fair but firm policy towards single guys ie having a quite word with guys minor mis behaving and then ejecting / banning the ones that don't respect the rules. These are a pleasure to visit

From our experience from clubs worldwide it's that clubs with the most relaxed / happy atmosphere end up with the best play.

If your criteria is having to play your running a brothel not a swing club. Not sure how you would enforce such a rule anyway in a club as basically your forcing someone to have sexual against their wishes which is rap e.

The fact of the matter is that single guys can and do get out of control a clubs. By charging a fee it can be a deterrent to some of the worst or potential offenders and knobheads.

Unfortunately some singles guys think attending a swingers club is a guaranteed shag. It's not. The ones who don't accept this fact will always be disappointed.

Of course there are a lot of good guys around but as always in life the idiots spoil it for the good.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

You are either delusional or have taken a personal issue you have (with a small number of women) and completely generalised it

What women that dont swing and dont like men talking to them go to clubs to stress people out ... it wouldnt even be an enjoyable night for them

So If there are "elite" solo guys.... there can be "elite" solo women? And perhaps "elite" couples too?????? The trouble is, who defines their elitism? I suspect my definition is different to yours but to the point about clubs and charging ...... Does being "elite" make a difference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are delusional (or have generalised a solo personal experience ... notice how you missed that part because it suited you) because those are pretty much the only 2 scenarios i can think of that would explain your perception of non playing women only attending clubs to cause other people stress

I think there are very few people in life who have the time and energy to waste to attend an evening they dont enjoy (you said they dont swing or like men talking to them remember so i would assume being at a swingers club and having men talk to them would not be enjoyable) just to piss other people off

I think you have a very narrow view of what swinging is for people and appear to see people not playing as time wasters ... what swinging brings to your life and how far you take it is a very individual thing and its not for you to determine when people whould abd shouldnt play

Anyway good luck to you and your "elitest club" You may find that actually the elitest attitudes of clients similar to yourself bring more stress than a female who doesnt wish to play that night but I am sure you will discover that for yourself in time

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Now what I mean is obviously you know your regulars and how they operate. So you can easily know who does what.

That said, if I go somewhere and I pay nothing and I contribute nothing at least I would be nice enough to put a smile on and chat to people.

You find ladies in the clubs and they are frowning and complaining all the time because guys just tried to say hello to them and am so amazed, you paid nothing and are contributing nothing and still you are unhappy and stressing people so much, even when these ladies are saying am not interested, they are screaming at the guys with a very bad attitude and am so suprised .

Unbelievable, I wonder who stays with them in the house with such an attitude, that is like living with a tiger, no wonder most guys go to the pub looking for peace.Even among insects it is the female mosquitoes that bites and transfers the malaria virus no issues with the males that says it all, lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*should and shouldnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And that right there says it all about your attitude towards women ...

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By *he-ProfessorMan
over a year ago

cheltenham

Personally I've never felt like I was overpaying for a night at a club other than one particular place that I've tried several times & never really enjoyed.

Why not you ask?

Simply put they always seem to have the balance of people wrong so it's never been good for a single guy.

Maybe I always feel like I'm getting value for money due to the fact that I'm more than happy to talk to anyone, women, couples, tvs even men.

After all the best bit of any club is the socialising & people watching isn't it?

You're never going to have the same conversations with people outside the scene so it's always fresh & entertaining.

There have been nights where I've spent so much of it chatting I've run out of time to play!

I think Virginie has made some great points, it is what you make of it.

My tip to the guys who think they don't get value for money out of club visits is to try more conversation..... you are much more likely to get a woman or couples attention that way than prowling around waving your manhood around no matter how impressive it is lol

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I think you are delusional (or have generalised a solo personal experience ... notice how you missed that part because it suited you) because those are pretty much the only 2 scenarios i can think of that would explain your perception of non playing women only attending clubs to cause other people stress

Just look at a perfect example of what am saying, see the way this beautiful , lovely , sweet lady is throwing personal insults at me for holding a different view to hers.

In secondary school everyone would have watched debates, whenever two teams are debating they don't insult each other , they only defend a view no matter how unpopular or difficult it is, this is what the forum is about, you don't have to make it personal.

I said some women, not all ladies, I left vanilla because of these kind of ladies only to find them in this swinging environment again, not contributing any finance or play to the community but causing so much headaches for everyone. lol

Only yesterday these kind of ladies sent a poor guy on a 40 mile wild goose chase to a house with a 70 year old lady in it , who was so suprised to see him, very unfair lol

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

And that right there says it all about your attitude towards women ...

Please don't frame my narrative, am not talking about all women just some

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The definition of delusional is

characterised by or holding beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument

I think it completely applies to how you see these women but if you want to see it as a personal insult then that is your choice

I also find it amusing how you find it unnacceptable for me to make assumptions about you but its perfectly ok to liken me to women who set up fake meets at a guys expense (something i have never done and something you have no proof even had a women behind the profile)

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Anyway apologies OP your cant pay or wont pay question for men has somehow ended up cant play or wont play for women

To go back to my original point scottish clubs still charge women more than a token entry ... and i much prefer nights that involve single men to couples and single female nights

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

I'm off to remix in Swindon..... I pay the same as a guy to get in

. I may or may not play ...... let's see who else is there

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By *taffsfun73Man
over a year ago

Newcastle under lyme

"Luckily I only live a 10 minute walk from the Attic and it's only £20 for single guys

Now that is reasonably priced"

A good night out too only been on a thursday so far but would love to do a weekend night there some time

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

For me the price clubs charge single guys is irrelevant.

My main beef is what they charge single guys, relative to what couples & single females are charged. In addition to which there is usually a long list of restrictions that only single guys have to observe, as well as a general feeling that single guys should be grateful they've been allowed in because they can't be trusted to behave.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to clubs and seen single guys that were being idiotic and deserved to be thrown out. I've also seen many couples and single females behaving terribly as well. The difference is more often than not, the single guy is thrown out whilst the others are given the benefit of doubt and spoken quietly to by management instead.

I don't know about you guys but if you're taking my money for a service, whether it's £5 or £500, I expect not to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

By the way, I don't expect this to change because there'll always be single guys that'll pay anything and accept any treatment for the benefit of entering a Swingers Club.

That's just the way it is!

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Even without looking at your profile am sure you have blocked me , this is what am talking about, there is no point playing around with English, when you say someone is delusional that is as another way of saying the person is insane , I am not even interested in you , yet you have taken it to that level, what will you do to the innocent guys who approach you in the club or the ones who try to get into a relationship with you lol unbelievable, good luck anyways

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

That aside, I don't feel the clubs are too expensive for single guys , I think the price is very reasonable

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By *rs slut n himCouple
over a year ago

dartford

I don't get it surely it's a cheaper night out then a vanilla night out x go! Pay respect and in turn you'll get it back! ! If your a nice guy you might even have sun fun xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a couple who have been to many swing parties (both in clubs and private homes, as well as hosted a number of our own house parties) unless the parties are strictly couples only, it is vital to get the right ratios. We personally think a ratio of 4 men to 3 women is good, and that's what we aim for when we have a house party. But it is very difficult to keep that male number at bay. It's also difficult to get enough women. So that ratio is hard to achieve unless men are restricted and women are encouraged. Male numbers can be controlled in the following ways:

-price

-selective invitation

-first come first serve at the door

-first come first serve tickets in advance

-lottery for male tickets

Each method has its pros and cons. I suspect some men would prefer to pay a higher price and at least have their entry guaranteed. Our house parties are free. We control numbers by selective invitation.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

Single guys pay the same as couples at Eureka and that's fair I think ... only £35 on a Saturday night ... £25 for a Friday event and midweek events £10

Those who know me know I love single guys haha and I wouldn't go to a club that doesn't allow them !

Keep the cost low and bring on the single men please !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also suspect men who boycott clubs due to the gender price difference, probably aren't really into clubs anyway. I mean let's face, if a man consistently has a good time at a club, it's unlikely he would sacrifice that good time in order to make a political statement about gender equality.

Mrs

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Where's the stress?

People chatting, laughing, socialising even if not playing create a good atmosphere Where's the stress?

By visiting and playing to enter, buying drinks they are contributing to the club along with generating a great ambience

Couples or single women rarely) and single guys who don't respect others and the rules, they cause the stress.

From our experience from clubs worldwide it's that clubs with the most relaxed / happy atmosphere end up with the best play.

The fact of the matter is that single guys can and do get out of control a clubs. By charging a fee it can be a deterrent to some of the worst or potential offenders and knobheads.

Unfortunately some singles guys think attending a swingers club is a guaranteed shag. It's not. The ones who don't accept this fact will always be disappointed.

Of course there are a lot of good guys around but as always in life the idiots spoil it for the good.

I didn't even read this quote well, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything, most couples and ladies keep pounding on single guys as if they are animals which I think is unfair, I have got to know a lot of guys on the scene and I have never seen any of them misbehaving however they are always on the receiving end of insults, even on the forum some ladies think it is normal to just throw insults at guys,well I don't insult people niether do I accept insults but I digress, I said I think the red carpet should be rolled out for customers that keep the club going and it definitely should. How ladies can connect that to mean any other thing different is suprising to me. I am not saying the criteria is to play, infact it is very ok if a lady decides not to play but don't give the establishment headaches because a guy said hello to you or winked at you, I have noticed the headaches non playing and non financial contributing ladies and couples give establishment is too much, I don't have any problems with them not playing , I just observed they give the establishment to much headaches and they contribute nothing.

Maybe the environment is strange to them, even when nobody is even interested in them, they can go and complain that they did not like the way a guy made eye contact with them or winked at them , that is the kind of thing am talking about. The establishment will then pull the guy aside and be asking him how he winked at them, that kind of unfair treatment of a paying customer over non contributing customer because of a wink, I have seen this happen so I know what am talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Single guys pay the same as couples at Eureka and that's fair I think ... only £35 on a Saturday night ... £25 for a Friday event and midweek events £10

Those who know me know I love single guys haha and I wouldn't go to a club that doesn't allow them !

Keep the cost low and bring on the single men please !! "

Well exactly. The time we went to Eureka we attended with one of our male playmates. My husband payed £35 as our couples fee and our friend paid £35 as his singles fee. Both men paid the same.

Mrs

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

The gender gap price I can cope with but some clubs charge stupid prices and have a selection process that some would consider a bit odd

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I also suspect men who boycott clubs due to the gender price difference, probably aren't really into clubs anyway. I mean let's face, if a man consistently has a good time at a club, it's unlikely he would sacrifice that good time in order to make a political statement about gender equality.

Mrs"

I'm not sure what you mean by political statement or whether guys are into clubs or not.

These days there's far too much choice and guys can choose where they want to go. Clubs, organized parties or house parties.

Also, nobody consistently has fun anywhere, anytime they go out. Some days, nobody fancies you or you don't fancy anyone

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

Where's the stress?

People chatting, laughing, socialising even if not playing create a good atmosphere Where's the stress?

By visiting and playing to enter, buying drinks they are contributing to the club along with generating a great ambience

Couples or single women rarely) and single guys who don't respect others and the rules, they cause the stress.

From our experience from clubs worldwide it's that clubs with the most relaxed / happy atmosphere end up with the best play.

The fact of the matter is that single guys can and do get out of control a clubs. By charging a fee it can be a deterrent to some of the worst or potential offenders and knobheads.

Unfortunately some singles guys think attending a swingers club is a guaranteed shag. It's not. The ones who don't accept this fact will always be disappointed.

Of course there are a lot of good guys around but as always in life the idiots spoil it for the good.

you were making statements about non players not adding anything to a club but stress. Dont agree with your statement. Hence the reply.

Bad people give stress whether a single woman man or couple.

As to single guys. We are not hammering them. Have enough experience not to tar everyone with the same brush.

There are couples who do treat SG badly. Know plenty of examples of that.

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over a year ago

Mrs

I'm not sure what you mean by political statement or whether guys are into clubs or not.

These days there's far too much choice and guys can choose where they want to go. Clubs, organized parties or house parties.

Also, nobody consistently has fun anywhere, anytime they go out. Some days, nobody fancies you or you don't fancy anyone

What I mean is, some guys say they won't go to a club on principle because they disagree with the gender inequality of pricing. But it maybe that they are just saying that but really not fussed about clubs. However, not all men have alternative choices on the swing scene. Private parties require an invite for example.

Mrs

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"Single guys pay the same as couples at Eureka and that's fair I think ... only £35 on a Saturday night ... £25 for a Friday event and midweek events £10

Those who know me know I love single guys haha and I wouldn't go to a club that doesn't allow them !

Keep the cost low and bring on the single men please !!

Well exactly. The time we went to Eureka we attended with one of our male playmates. My husband payed £35 as our couples fee and our friend paid £35 as his singles fee. Both men paid the same.

Mrs

Yes and I also agree on ladies being free ... ladies don't like to attend on their own much so has to be an incentive

After all no matter what anyone says it's the ladies whether in a couple or single that attract couples and single men in

I do not agree that men should pay more than anyone else tho