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"Hi all We had a couple of bad meets since moving from London to the midlands which put us off meeting single guys, mainly the guys being disrespectful and Helen feeling like a piece of meet and we have only just decided to give it another go. We thought about trying a local club being not too far from Liberties and the Attic where we would have a chance to meet and see of we click but with less obligation. Whilst we are happy to pay the entrance fee we have just seen on Liberties website that as first time visitors they expect us to pay a £20 admin fee and a £20 membership fee adding a further £40 onto the night. We may not like the club scene and never go back. Surely it would be in the club's interest to allow the first visit before paying these additional fees to people can see if they like it. I guess other clubs have similar rules" No, if it's too much, you won't go and they won't have lost or earned anything. If you go and don't like it and never go again, they've got £80 off you. If you go and like it, they will get £80 plus more. | |||
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" We may not like the club and never go back. Surely it would be in the club's interest to allow the first visit before paying these additional fees to people can see if they like it. " This is our view too, we were considering a Fab Summer Tour, including various club visits, but the large number of "membership" charges to places we knew we would never be revisiting, totally put us off Luckily the Attic is our local club. Mr ddc | |||
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"I've heard only good things about the attic, especially since it's been done up just sort of a year ago. I've never been but it is on my list of cubs to visit and hope to be doing so soon. As regards single guys, some of us are respectful and behave in a gentlemanly manner. Don't let a couple of bad experiences put you off. Xx" Awwww very polite and a gentmemanly way is good..but Relentless is better | |||
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"I've heard only good things about the attic, especially since it's been done up just sort of a year ago. I've never been but it is on my list of cubs to visit and hope to be doing so soon. As regards single guys, some of us are respectful and behave in a gentlemanly manner. Don't let a couple of bad experiences put you off. Xx Awwww very polite and a gentmemanly way is good..but Relentless is better " I'm always polite and gentlemanly while socialising, it's my tongue that's relentless. lol | |||
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"I've heard only good things about the attic, especially since it's been done up just sort of a year ago. I've never been but it is on my list of cubs to visit and hope to be doing so soon. As regards single guys, some of us are respectful and behave in a gentlemanly manner. Don't let a couple of bad experiences put you off. Xx Awwww very polite and a gentmemanly way is good..but Relentless is better I'm always polite and gentlemanly while socialising, it's my tongue that's relentless. lol" Yes as much as I'm encouragable | |||
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"I've heard only good things about the attic, especially since it's been done up just sort of a year ago. I've never been but it is on my list of cubs to visit and hope to be doing so soon. As regards single guys, some of us are respectful and behave in a gentlemanly manner. Don't let a couple of bad experiences put you off. Xx Awwww very polite and a gentmemanly way is good..but Relentless is better I'm always polite and gentlemanly while socialising, it's my tongue that's relentless. lol Yes as much as I'm encouragable " I'm glad you are. | |||
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"I said this before about libs and was told if I went with someone I could get in cheaper, but that'd mean knowing someone and going with them, which I didn't. " Surely you'd have no issue getting a guy to go with you even if you never did anything with him? | |||
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"I said this before about libs and was told if I went with someone I could get in cheaper, but that'd mean knowing someone and going with them, which I didn't. Surely you'd have no issue getting a guy to go with you even if you never did anything with him?" I don't think the cost for single fem was too bad (I can't remember), but I was going to go along with a couple, so for them it would have been quite pricey when you have no idea what the club is like. I don't like going to clubs with people I don't know, I done it once and won't do it again. | |||
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"We've only been to Libs on a non - swing event but we had looked into going and there are quite a few events each month that are swing based that require no membership, also I believe if you get membership don't you then get money off visit no 2? Chams & Infusions charged us membership on top of entrance fee for the first visit and neither place we've rushed back to, one of them I doubt we will ever visit again. I get what you're saying though, our favourite clubs and some of our lesser favourites haven't charged us membership, and when we have chose to "buy" it, it's resulted in a financial benefit to us." I stand to be corrected, but I believe the membership charge for couples and single ladies is lifetime so a one-off payment. Definately annual for us single guys though! | |||
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"We've only been to Libs on a non - swing event but we had looked into going and there are quite a few events each month that are swing based that require no membership, also I believe if you get membership don't you then get money off visit no 2? Chams & Infusions charged us membership on top of entrance fee for the first visit and neither place we've rushed back to, one of them I doubt we will ever visit again. I get what you're saying though, our favourite clubs and some of our lesser favourites haven't charged us membership, and when we have chose to "buy" it, it's resulted in a financial benefit to us. I stand to be corrected, but I believe the membership charge for couples and single ladies is lifetime so a one-off payment. Definately annual for us single guys though!" *for Chameleons | |||
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"We've only been to Libs on a non - swing event but we had looked into going and there are quite a few events each month that are swing based that require no membership, also I believe if you get membership don't you then get money off visit no 2? Chams & Infusions charged us membership on top of entrance fee for the first visit and neither place we've rushed back to, one of them I doubt we will ever visit again. I get what you're saying though, our favourite clubs and some of our lesser favourites haven't charged us membership, and when we have chose to "buy" it, it's resulted in a financial benefit to us. I stand to be corrected, but I believe the membership charge for couples and single ladies is lifetime so a one-off payment. Definately annual for us single guys though! *for Chameleons" It is, but is still an example of paying membership before stepping foot in the place and put it this way, we wouldn't have bought it if we'd visited first. My point was that it's not just Libs that do this and yes we've been stung by it. I'd rather have the option of paying annual membership to a place I've tried out first than having to pay membership on first visit, lifetime or not. On another point raised above. Just forum hearsay but doesn't libs membership decrease as the months go by. Eg if you're only getting 6 months it's pro rata? I've def read that to be the case on here | |||
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"Can honestly say liberty's is worth it! But they do have events on where you can enter as guest. Lovetoparty (fab name) hold parties every last Friday of the month and no membership is required you just pay £35 entrance fee X" agree totally with this sexy couple . Club is totally worth a visit but perhaps wait for a guest night to keep the cost down .. pm us and we will see what we can do for you xx | |||
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"We've only been to Libs on a non - swing event but we had looked into going and there are quite a few events each month that are swing based that require no membership, also I believe if you get membership don't you then get money off visit no 2? Chams & Infusions charged us membership on top of entrance fee for the first visit and neither place we've rushed back to, one of them I doubt we will ever visit again. I get what you're saying though, our favourite clubs and some of our lesser favourites haven't charged us membership, and when we have chose to "buy" it, it's resulted in a financial benefit to us. I stand to be corrected, but I believe the membership charge for couples and single ladies is lifetime so a one-off payment. Definately annual for us single guys though!" The membership is £20 per year, the admin fee is once only also £20. Those are couples prices, single ladies I believe are cheaper, the best way is to go as a guest of a member and try the club first. Personally we think it is Worth every penny. | |||
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"Cost is one of the reasons I've not yet ventured into a club. As a lone male my local club / spa has a £40 membership plus another £40 entrance fee (or day pass for £50 for a one off visit). To be honest, I'd rather spend that £80 on 4 matches at the football .." Doesn't that also depend on the event and club though? | |||
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"We've only been to Libs on a non - swing event but we had looked into going and there are quite a few events each month that are swing based that require no membership, also I believe if you get membership don't you then get money off visit no 2? Chams & Infusions charged us membership on top of entrance fee for the first visit and neither place we've rushed back to, one of them I doubt we will ever visit again. I get what you're saying though, our favourite clubs and some of our lesser favourites haven't charged us membership, and when we have chose to "buy" it, it's resulted in a financial benefit to us. I stand to be corrected, but I believe the membership charge for couples and single ladies is lifetime so a one-off payment. Definately annual for us single guys though! *for Chameleons It is, but is still an example of paying membership before stepping foot in the place and put it this way, we wouldn't have bought it if we'd visited first. My point was that it's not just Libs that do this and yes we've been stung by it. I'd rather have the option of paying annual membership to a place I've tried out first than having to pay membership on first visit, lifetime or not. On another point raised above. Just forum hearsay but doesn't libs membership decrease as the months go by. Eg if you're only getting 6 months it's pro rata? I've def read that to be the case on here" It was me that said that it doesn't, because that was my understanding of it. I'm happy to be proven wrong tho | |||
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"It was me that said that it doesn't, because that was my understanding of it. I'm happy to be proven wrong tho " That's my understanding of it too. We were going to pop out there on whim in June until I realised that we'd be paying a full years membership for 3 weeks access before our membership dried up again. It's only £20 but we didn't go purely on principle. If that's not the case the website should make that a little more clear. To the OP. Every club is different and all have their pros and cons. Read the reviews in the club section and figure out which one suits you best. We'd rather travel for 2 hours and have a kick-ass night than travel 30 mins to a mediocre one. | |||
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"It was me that said that it doesn't, because that was my understanding of it. I'm happy to be proven wrong tho That's my understanding of it too. We were going to pop out there on whim in June until I realised that we'd be paying a full years membership for 3 weeks access before our membership dried up again. It's only £20 but we didn't go purely on principle. If that's not the case the website should make that a little more clear. To the OP. Every club is different and all have their pros and cons. Read the reviews in the club section and figure out which one suits you best. We'd rather travel for 2 hours and have a kick-ass night than travel 30 mins to a mediocre one. " It's £40 tho! £20 membership + £20 admin fee! Which no doubt you'd have to pay again for subsequent years membership... | |||
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"Cost is one of the reasons I've not yet ventured into a club. As a lone male my local club / spa has a £40 membership plus another £40 entrance fee (or day pass for £50 for a one off visit). To be honest, I'd rather spend that £80 on 4 matches at the football .. Doesn't that also depend on the event and club though?" Yeah - I was talking about my local one (Kestrels / Ab Fabs) | |||
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"Cost is one of the reasons I've not yet ventured into a club. As a lone male my local club / spa has a £40 membership plus another £40 entrance fee (or day pass for £50 for a one off visit). To be honest, I'd rather spend that £80 on 4 matches at the football .. Doesn't that also depend on the event and club though? Yeah - I was talking about my local one (Kestrels / Ab Fabs) " We looked at going as a couple and it was the same price I think | |||
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"It was me that said that it doesn't, because that was my understanding of it. I'm happy to be proven wrong tho That's my understanding of it too. We were going to pop out there on whim in June until I realised that we'd be paying a full years membership for 3 weeks access before our membership dried up again. It's only £20 but we didn't go purely on principle. If that's not the case the website should make that a little more clear. To the OP. Every club is different and all have their pros and cons. Read the reviews in the club section and figure out which one suits you best. We'd rather travel for 2 hours and have a kick-ass night than travel 30 mins to a mediocre one. It's £40 tho! £20 membership + £20 admin fee! Which no doubt you'd have to pay again for subsequent years membership... " No you only pay a one off admin fee of £20! Once admin fee has been paid you don't have to pay that again when you renew membership! But they do hold party nights where no membership is required! They have chic6 end of month with already 100 couples and single lady's on guest list! That's a very busy night and no membership required, and love to party have a event every month and again no membership required. So there are ways to visit the club without paying £40!! X | |||
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"I am a bit wary of clubs that don't charge any membership fees. If it's a swingers club, it passes council ruling by being a private members club. I thought for insurance etc, you need to be a member. Showing some ID will also mean people can't just walk off the street. My local club ( Atlantis in Stoke area) it's only a fiver for lifetime membership. Doesn't break the bank, but means the club is legit etc. I am not saying other clubs are breaking any rules, I don't know the ins and outs of swinging clubs. But I think a fiver is a very decent one off amount to pay " I don't believe you need to charge membership to give out membership. | |||
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"I am a bit wary of clubs that don't charge any membership fees. If it's a swingers club, it passes council ruling by being a private members club. I thought for insurance etc, you need to be a member. Showing some ID will also mean people can't just walk off the street. My local club ( Atlantis in Stoke area) it's only a fiver for lifetime membership. Doesn't break the bank, but means the club is legit etc. I am not saying other clubs are breaking any rules, I don't know the ins and outs of swinging clubs. But I think a fiver is a very decent one off amount to pay " A club is not legally obliged to charge a membership fee to give a membership out. A private members club should take ID off all of their members, record their details securely and issue a membership card against their personal details. If a club chooses to charge a membership fee to cover admin costs or make a few quid, then that is their prerogative. Not charging a membership does not make a club illegal nor does it make their insurance void!! lol! xx | |||
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" I'd rather have the option of paying annual membership to a place I've tried out first than having to pay membership on first visit, lifetime or not. " It`s a fair point but what measures would a club have to put in place for a couple to keep on "trying before they buy"? Take a deposit? Keep details on a data base? | |||
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" I'd rather have the option of paying annual membership to a place I've tried out first than having to pay membership on first visit, lifetime or not. It`s a fair point but what measures would a club have to put in place for a couple to keep on "trying before they buy"? Take a deposit? Keep details on a data base? " So no 3 or Eurekas both have two rates of entry fee. When you buy or upgrade membership from free to not so free then you get reduced entry throughout the rest of the year. We've also been to a paid members only night where it's been higher than normal entry but all inclusive once in on a licensed premises. That's 2 incentives to encourage paid membership which is basically trying to encourage loyalty. I assume there are other clubs that offer this but of the 10 we visited these are the 2 I can think of. So no 3 is our local and we quickly bought membership. Eurekas unfortunately we are too far from but if local would have done the same. Actually Kestrals offer the same for couples but we haven't got there yet. Chams for example is a 4 hour drive. We stopped off during the day en route to a vanilla event dawn sarf... It cost us £35 for a Wednesday daytime due to the compulsory membership. In hindsight we could have gone to Amour for £10 for a Wed daytime. Tbh it was cheaper than the third alternative of Kestrels at £50 for a non member couple mid week daytime visit. In terms of non paying member entry. I can prob speak clearest about Eurekas as we visit as non paying. We have "silver" membership so still show ID, kept on record as a private members club but pay more than "gold" members on each day we attend. Fulfills the legal requirements but allows people to try before they buy | |||
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" I'd rather have the option of paying annual membership to a place I've tried out first than having to pay membership on first visit, lifetime or not. It`s a fair point but what measures would a club have to put in place for a couple to keep on "trying before they buy"? Take a deposit? Keep details on a data base? " You see, really, a club 'should' keep a record of everyone who walks onto the premises. So even as a guest, you should be asked for ID and details taken from the ID for that visit; the club isn't obliged to keep that info though. It's only kept if a membership is given. We do allow guests in and we take details from them, but we wouldn't keep allowing them in as guests, we would ask them to take a memberships. To enable us to benefit from the privileges of being a private members club, i.e legally charge guys more than couples/girls (which we don't most of the time), to allow public nudity/sexual practices and to choose who walks onto the premises etc...we must keep a database of members. Those clubs who don't take details of everybody and issue membership cards are leaving themselves wide open to discrimination charges and more. It takes one person to grass them up. The clubs don't have to charge for memberships, but I can understand why some do. I also understand why some customers find this very expensive for one off visits. | |||
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"What is wrong with people ? Providing a good quality venue costs money. Clubs have to have a business plan to operate successfully. Some business models are based on membership some are not. Last time we checked swinging is a voluntary pastime, you are invited not to participate. Putting on a club night takes hours behind the scene activity that none of us see. We should know we have done it, outs a thankless task. If you want top end clubs that provide a high quality event you are going to have to pay to attend. Promoting events is a huge task. 65 quid for chic, membership to le boudoir, the price at VA, all represent amazing value for money. If you don't like it don't go. Promoters and club owners deserve to make money. They are committed to their jobs. If it wasn't for colossal perverts prepared to put money into creating clubs, colossal perverts like us would have nowhere to go." When did anyone complain about entry costs? This was about trying before you buy for membership only... not free entry. We have tried a number of venues regardless of what their pricing structure is, but having preferences in the way things are charged, particularly when we don't have a single club within a 2 hour drive is a valid point of view and not undermining what some clubs do to encourage attendance. | |||
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" But really even 100 quid for one night is not a lot of money. 50 quid a person to get into a high quality venue per person is still very cheap. ." This is all subjective, just because you think it's a high quality venue doesn't mean everyone will. Just like paying £100 for one night, no it isn't a lot of money, but it is if you don't like the place and want to leave, that's £100 wasted. But yes if people don't like it then they don't have to go, but there are many people that feel this way, so it's extra members that the club is losing out on, but clearly not an issue for them. But no loss, plenty other clubs to take out money to. | |||
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"Looking at club reviews isn't a convincing thing for me, so many of the regulars leave feedback for the clubs stating they're fabulous. People have expressed negative views about chams and the attic, which are two clubs I love. This is mainly due to the atmosphere within them, a club can be seen as a quality venue, but if the atmosphere is no good it's not somewhere id want to go. I've heard positive and negative views about libs, but I'm more for trying out a place to make my own mind up, but I'm not prepared to part with £100 to decide I may not like the place, there's plenty more practical things I could spend that on. So that's a reason I wouldn't go, I'd rather go to try a different club. I've been to chams, the attic, townhouse, xstasia, gatehouse, cupids, infusions, abfabs and adventures (when it was open); out of all those clubs there is only one I wouldn't rush back to and that's more due to the style of it, it wasn't for me. 8 of those had excellent atmosphere and 8 of them weren't charging too much for people to attend. There's a difference between running a club for the people and running a club to line your pockets." Single ladies are £10 entry and £5 membership at liberty's, | |||
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"It is about entry costs though isn't it, it's about the entry cost for one night when membership costs are added. We gave three examples chic 65 no membership costs to a club that normally has membership. Le boudoir that requires membership and VA that apparently does not have membership (although when I was a member I thought it did out was few years ago now though so it could have changed) All top quality venues. All that deserve to make money. The point was take it or leave it as a punter. If you don't like the cost don't go. The clubs could consider promo nights, intro nights etc. But really even 100 quid for one night is not a lot of money. 50 quid a person to get into a high quality venue per person is still very cheap. As for your traveling time ? So what ? Where you live is your choice, Start a thread asking clubs to move closer to your house. It's all a little bit whiny to be frank with you." £100 can actually be a lot of money for a lot of people but beside that point, VA do require you to sign up on arrival as a couple, however they don't require you to pay a membership fee which is great. To the OP, we have never been to libs but have heard many good things about it from friends who go and it's on our to do list. I get what your saying about no being obligated if you go as a member guest but maybe that would be the way forward if you want to try it, just make it clear any play is neither expected not guaranteed in that circumstance | |||
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"The Vanilla Alternative, close to Bedford, doesn't have any membership fee. It's another upmarket venue, similar to Libs, with a massive hot tub and onsite hotel rooms if visitors want to stay over." | |||
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"Thanks all I think we will try the Attic and take it from there. I did see another member of liberties cam sign you in as a guest and not have the extra charges but we would rather not feel obliged to another member. Thanks again" Just a quick word on this, you are not beholden to anyone just because you meet or go to a club together, nothing is promised or implied. I personally would hate for anyone to feel that way about a meet with us. Just because we meet doesn't mean we have to have sex or even spend the whole night together if we go to a club. If we don't click we don't click. No big deal you know can still be friendly and whatnot. And on the original point as others have said there are many nights that are exceptions at most clubs or some clubs don't have fees or give you the choice to be a paid member or not | |||
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