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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? " Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all. | |||
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"AbFabs Monday night is my favourite place to be, whenever I'm in London I make sure to be there, have met some great people and had some unbelievable experiences. If I had to think of one point that would make it even more awesome, it would be that, for a bi night, in my experience the bi guys mostly keep themselvest to the darkroom and the back of the cinema, or occasionally being (ab)used in the swing. I'd really have expected the bi guys to be more in the open, so where it's normal to see MF playing in the lounge (or anywhere else) I can't remember ever seeing guys playing with each other. I'm sure there are some ladies that like to watch that ... and of course I'm part of the problem as I just go along with the flow...anyway, any thoughts on this anyone ??" Ahhh now this is interesting...I was expecting that it could be the case of mf couples playing and then just random single guys all over the place just hanging around the fringes. Is that more the guys who are going or that mf couples don't really want guys joining them for play?? I'm hoping when I go that I'll be able to meet some really fun cool people and we'd all like to play together eventually if it goes well? | |||
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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all." Was seriously tempted by this but as the club want to discriminate against me I'm reluctant to give them my money . It's a bizarre situation where they treat me as a single male for kestrels but I can attend the bi night as a bi woman .a bit short sighted as I'm reluctant to now bring my single bi female friends along | |||
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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all. Was seriously tempted by this but as the club want to discriminate against me I'm reluctant to give them my money . It's a bizarre situation where they treat me as a single male for kestrels but I can attend the bi night as a bi woman .a bit short sighted as I'm reluctant to now bring my single bi female friends along " Thanks for your input all greatly considered and appreciated | |||
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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all. Was seriously tempted by this but as the club want to discriminate against me I'm reluctant to give them my money . It's a bizarre situation where they treat me as a single male for kestrels but I can attend the bi night as a bi woman .a bit short sighted as I'm reluctant to now bring my single bi female friends along " I'd suggest you email the club management and ask them for consistency for your membership | |||
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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all. Was seriously tempted by this but as the club want to discriminate against me I'm reluctant to give them my money . It's a bizarre situation where they treat me as a single male for kestrels but I can attend the bi night as a bi woman .a bit short sighted as I'm reluctant to now bring my single bi female friends along I'd suggest you email the club management and ask them for consistency for your membership" Hi , I have done and that's their answer ,although I've transitioned and am full time their answer was that because I still have a penis I'm a single male ? Consistency would be nice | |||
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"10:30am??? I thought it was 6ish till midnight??? Kestrels from 10.30 to 6. AbFabs from 6 to midnight. No break though, the only difference is you can wear clothes from 6 and they open more of the house up, that's all. Was seriously tempted by this but as the club want to discriminate against me I'm reluctant to give them my money . It's a bizarre situation where they treat me as a single male for kestrels but I can attend the bi night as a bi woman .a bit short sighted as I'm reluctant to now bring my single bi female friends along I'd suggest you email the club management and ask them for consistency for your membership Hi , I have done and that's their answer ,although I've transitioned and am full time their answer was that because I still have a penis I'm a single male ? Consistency would be nice " Sorry to hear that's their view. Personally I find it misguided and shouldn't happen with today's awareness and laws. | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. " Interested to know why a straight single male would go | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go " Because not all the couples are bi and there are single women who attend who will not judge men on their orientation. I have on a Monday met single women and straight couples and l have noticed it sometimes doubles up as a greedy woman's night given the number of single men about. Also as a simple matter of logistics sometimes it is the only night people can get free, and as pointed out above although it is a bi night a lot of straight people attend. | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go Because not all the couples are bi and there are single women who attend who will not judge men on their orientation. I have on a Monday met single women and straight couples and l have noticed it sometimes doubles up as a greedy woman's night given the number of single men about. Also as a simple matter of logistics sometimes it is the only night people can get free, and as pointed out above although it is a bi night a lot of straight people attend." I think that is why we don't go, because that sort of play is available at all other times, which means any bi action is diluted. Big pity really, but bi male action is rare to find | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go " Was told there's a lot of single bi women and women in couples. There wasn't many women, but got invited to play 1-1 with a nice older lady. | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go Was told there's a lot of single bi women and women in couples. There wasn't many women, but got invited to play 1-1 with a nice older lady." I would say there are as many at normal nights. As a woman at a club I would expect to see bi male play on a bi night and expect all men there to be at least bi curious | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go Was told there's a lot of single bi women and women in couples. There wasn't many women, but got invited to play 1-1 with a nice older lady. I would say there are as many at normal nights. As a woman at a club I would expect to see bi male play on a bi night and expect all men there to be at least bi curious" . In my experience there's the most midweek attendance on Monday of straight and bi girls and couples. As Ozzz said its often logistics of when people can go most. And of course always depends on the weather and time of the month if it's near payday etc for how busy it'll be | |||
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"I'm straight, and was there a few weeks ago. Unfortunately not many women, but still had a good time. Was told that it was unusually quiet for a Monday. I aim to go next Monday too. The owners were great, done a fantastic job of showing off the facilities. Interested to know why a straight single male would go " what's wrong with that? I am a straight and went along to a bi night to see what is all about and had a nice evening. | |||
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"I think technically the two clubs have different memberships but being pragmatic they allow Kestrals members to stay on in to the evening at no charge. However I can also see their point about treating somebody as a male at Kestrals if they have male genitalia, being a naturist venue it is an environment where your physiological gender is paramount. Given the price differential between males and females it would be likely that unscrupulous males would claim to be TV or untransistioned TS in order to get cheaper admission. One of those times in life that lines have to be drawn somewhere. Perhaps the more appropriate answer might be for this club to run a TV/TS and admirers night? Pricing to be based on how you appear in the club, locker key colour to indicate admission status as a verification? Some Thursdays are free I understand. I can't see unscrupulous males bothering changing their passport and I'd to get in cheaper . I actually went to the HDZ night on Friday and had a great time ,it's a nice place with lots of friendly people , technically it is run as two clubs to get two lots of membership out of you I think but I'm only allowed entry on the bi night and the hdz night as a woman . , " | |||
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