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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

Hi , everyone I'm a full time transgender woman and looking at attending a few clubs , after a few enquireries they seem to want to class me as a single male because I'm pre op and charge me accordingly . I see. Myself as a bi woman , I understand it's a difficult ground but these days when I'm protected in the rest of society by the equality act it seems a bit old fashioned , would love to here people's views and also about wether trans are really accepted at clubs X thanks Claire

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

I don't see the problem but I know many clubs who won't let you in the door! Ridiculous in this century!

You are a transgender woman, living 24/7 as female and identify as female, you would get a female membership in our club and pay female prices. Gender is not about what you have between your legs but many people negate this!

If you were a TGirl who only visited as a Tgirl in the club and then lived as a male outside of the club, you would receive a Tgirl membership and would still be admitted into events which were couples and single females only as you would be classed as a female for that event...of course!

I know a lot of clubs work differently and you would need to contact the individual club for their policies xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a difficult one

To me I see no reason why you shouldn't be classed as a woman but not every views it the same

I remember going to a party once and they had a room for woman only and a pre op TS went in and a couple of the woman's husband made a right fuss because they saw her as a man and women only should mean no cocks so she wasn't allowed in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like male couples can't join clubs as a couple

You can be married but your not a couple in the swinging club scene

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By *edRidingWolfCouple
over a year ago

Lydney

As a trans woman you should be treated as a woman.... It shouldn't matter what stage of the operative process you are at.

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

Thank you , I think it doesn't help when we get lumped in with tv & cd and by others who don't understand the difference but it sounds like your club has a great policy so I'll keep enquiring x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has always been an interesting topic for me, so I'm here to read the comments.

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"As a trans woman you should be treated as a woman.... It shouldn't matter what stage of the operative process you are at."

Thank you , ideally yes but in real life it's never that straight forward let alone in the swinging scene and LGBT community even .

I face predudice and abuse constantly in real life but just get on with being me . I can't fight every battle or educate everyone who seems it's ok to be unkind x

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By *picyminxWoman
over a year ago

Huntingdon

At VA if you present as female you are classed as female. Stick with the right clubs and you will have many great nights ahead of you x

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By *ngeluk69Woman
over a year ago

Near enough

For me it's simple... If you are presenting as a woman then who am I, or anyone else to question it?

As Spicyminx has said, there ARE some accepting clubs and you should always feel comfortable in whatever setting you are in, swinging or otherwise. Spicy is well known for her Bi Nights at VA and you couldn't meet a more welcoming host

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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago

Manchester Area

It aeems strange to me that in age that allows same swx marriages in maon stream everyday life ..any club would discriminate against you ....If you see yourslef as a womn who is anykne to dictace you are notot

Good luck

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"At VA if you present as female you are classed as female. Stick with the right clubs and you will have many great nights ahead of you x"

Thank you ,just checked out the web page and looks great x

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By *edRidingWolfCouple
over a year ago

Lydney


"As a trans woman you should be treated as a woman.... It shouldn't matter what stage of the operative process you are at.

Thank you , ideally yes but in real life it's never that straight forward let alone in the swinging scene and LGBT community even .

I face predudice and abuse constantly in real life but just get on with being me . I can't fight every battle or educate everyone who seems it's ok to be unkind x"

I'm sorry that in the modern world you still face abuse and prejudice. I have a couple of close friends in the trans community so I'm sadly familiar with that.... Although it seems more prevalent to the male2femald trans friend than it does to my fem2male friend, something that we've discussed a fair bit..... Maybe it's his beard??

Unfortunately it private clubs are currently allowed to discriminate, roll on when that changes.

Keep fighting your corner but remember you can't teach stupid. Hugs Hun

Red xx

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

You should challenge the clubs more. If you're full time female it shouldn't matter if you're pre or post to get female membership. Good luck x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection? "

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices "

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man. "

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices "

Oh I love it... something tells me that you will be fine

Hate unfairness and elitism and that closed minded people get too dictate the rules...no room for that kind of behaviour or tolerance.

Loving the support you are getting here too. First steps are hard brave ones but always in the right direction. Wishing you happiness Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ? "

No. If you fuck like a man. You're a man. Pay like a man. When you are post OP or are incapable of erection. Then yeah, fill your stiletto boots.

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ?

No. If you fuck like a man. You're a man. Pay like a man. When you are post OP or are incapable of erection. Then yeah, fill your stiletto boots. "

I only eat pussy and can't get an erection. Shill I pay the female entry price?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ?

No. If you fuck like a man. You're a man. Pay like a man. When you are post OP or are incapable of erection. Then yeah, fill your stiletto boots.

I only eat pussy and can't get an erection. Shill I pay the female entry price? "

Sounds alright. Does your id say female?

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ?

No. If you fuck like a man. You're a man. Pay like a man. When you are post OP or are incapable of erection. Then yeah, fill your stiletto boots.

I only eat pussy and can't get an erection. Shill I pay the female entry price?

Sounds alright. Does your id say female? "

Ah, that's not fair, you just moved the goalposts on me!

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

That's the thing , my passport says f , at my doctors I'm f , at the gender clinic I'm f ', at the post office I'm f , my Car insurance is f , that's the point it's not about the money but just being treated as f , it shouldn't matter what's between my legs and if it works . I just want to go to a club and feel comfortable and make others feel that way X

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Quite shocked at some of the responses!

I have played with trasngender females on hormones and very often their cock is far from useful, due to the hormones. i really don't see what that has to do with anything!

I don't think we would be having the same discussion if the OP was female to male transgender! Would you be saying, not you must pay in as a female because you haven't got a cock and a strap on doesn't make you a man?! Believe me...the cock does not maketh the man!!

I would certainly not be vetting every single person on the way into the club by telling them to drop their pants or lift their skirt to check what lies beneath and asking them if they intend to easy pussy or fuck with their cock!!! What a crazy thought!!

If someone lives and identifies as a female, they are a female. Whatever they choose to do when they are having sex, is up to them and their gender should not be judged on their genitals or use thereof!

The trans spectrum is broad...very broad, with varying differences from one person to the next on how they identify and how they present themselves; we are all unique, are we not? Long gone are the black and white days of man and women and hetrosexuality! We now live and enjoy a rainbow coloured world, where we have moved on from man = cock and woman = fanny and thank god we have!!! Move with the times and open your mind!

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By *edRidingWolfCouple
over a year ago

Lydney


"That's the thing , my passport says f , at my doctors I'm f , at the gender clinic I'm f ', at the post office I'm f , my Car insurance is f , that's the point it's not about the money but just being treated as f , it shouldn't matter what's between my legs and if it works . I just want to go to a club and feel comfortable and make others feel that way X "

You ARE female

Your genitalia is irrelevant imo.

Many trans people choose not to have surgery (top or bottom), that does not make them any less of their inner gender than someone CIS or post op trans.

People really need an education

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By *edRidingWolfCouple
over a year ago

Lydney


"Quite shocked at some of the responses!

I have played with trasngender females on hormones and very often their cock is far from useful, due to the hormones. i really don't see what that has to do with anything!

I don't think we would be having the same discussion if the OP was female to male transgender! Would you be saying, not you must pay in as a female because you haven't got a cock and a strap on doesn't make you a man?! Believe me...the cock does not maketh the man!!

I would certainly not be vetting every single person on the way into the club by telling them to drop their pants or lift their skirt to check what lies beneath and asking them if they intend to easy pussy or fuck with their cock!!! What a crazy thought!!

If someone lives and identifies as a female, they are a female. Whatever they choose to do when they are having sex, is up to them and their gender should not be judged on their genitals or use thereof!

The trans spectrum is broad...very broad, with varying differences from one person to the next on how they identify and how they present themselves; we are all unique, are we not? Long gone are the black and white days of man and women and hetrosexuality! We now live and enjoy a rainbow coloured world, where we have moved on from man = cock and woman = fanny and thank god we have!!! Move with the times and open your mind! "

this exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tricky. Can you still gain an erection?

Do they check that when you enter a club ?

If they do then there's a few guys who wouldn't have to pay male prices

Just thinking, if you still use your erection to have sex with bi women then in my book you're a man.

Ok , That's a fair opinion . But I'm sure you see yourself more than just your cock , maybe I get a discount if she sucks my tits ?

No. If you fuck like a man. You're a man. Pay like a man. When you are post OP or are incapable of erection. Then yeah, fill your stiletto boots.

But by that criteria, you assume that all trans women are going through surgery as part of their transition when a lot choose not to do so. transition is not the surgery for many, including the partner of a friend of mine. to use that as a measuring stick is a very inaccurate measure"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's the thing , my passport says f , at my doctors I'm f , at the gender clinic I'm f ', at the post office I'm f , my Car insurance is f , that's the point it's not about the money but just being treated as f , it shouldn't matter what's between my legs and if it works . I just want to go to a club and feel comfortable and make others feel that way X "

When joining a club,filling out the membership form,,,do you put F,M or Trans? It would probably make life a lot easier all round if you just put F and drew no further attention to the issue,which would then become a non issue.

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"Quite shocked at some of the responses!

I have played with trasngender females on hormones and very often their cock is far from useful, due to the hormones. i really don't see what that has to do with anything!

I don't think we would be having the same discussion if the OP was female to male transgender! Would you be saying, not you must pay in as a female because you haven't got a cock and a strap on doesn't make you a man?! Believe me...the cock does not maketh the man!!

I would certainly not be vetting every single person on the way into the club by telling them to drop their pants or lift their skirt to check what lies beneath and asking them if they intend to easy pussy or fuck with their cock!!! What a crazy thought!!

If someone lives and identifies as a female, they are a female. Whatever they choose to do when they are having sex, is up to them and their gender should not be judged on their genitals or use thereof!

The trans spectrum is broad...very broad, with varying differences from one person to the next on how they identify and how they present themselves; we are all unique, are we not? Long gone are the black and white days of man and women and hetrosexuality! We now live and enjoy a rainbow coloured world, where we have moved on from man = cock and woman = fanny and thank god we have!!! Move with the times and open your mind! "

This xx thank you

And thanks everyone for your kind comments X

I realise I'm not everyone's cup of tea and not looking for special treatment but just fairness and politeness X

I'll check out more clubs info and if yours is transgender friendly let me know and you may see me soon X Claire

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"That's the thing , my passport says f , at my doctors I'm f , at the gender clinic I'm f ', at the post office I'm f , my Car insurance is f , that's the point it's not about the money but just being treated as f , it shouldn't matter what's between my legs and if it works . I just want to go to a club and feel comfortable and make others feel that way X

When joining a club,filling out the membership form,,,do you put F,M or Trans? It would probably make life a lot easier all round if you just put F and drew no further attention to the issue,which would then become a non issue."

I find a lot of clubs don't differentiate between transgender , transvestite and crossdresser , I put F but think it's only polite to let them know I'm transitioning x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She didn't choose to be born with a penis, have you looked into the op and what those transitioning have to go through for it? Maybe if it was more socially acceptable when she was younger and doctors took it seriously then the op would have been done.

I have done a lot of research on this as I'm doing it for my dissertation, so the comments have been very useful.

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"She didn't choose to be born with a penis, have you looked into the op and what those transitioning have to go through for it? Maybe if it was more socially acceptable when she was younger and doctors took it seriously then the op would have been done.

I have done a lot of research on this as I'm doing it for my dissertation, so the comments have been very useful. "

Unfortunately growing up in a pre Internet age hasn't helped , severe lack of info and help has led me to lead a life completely in the dark with my gender dysphoria , ultimately a lot of trans never fully transition or even go on hormones . Trying to feel accepted intodays society is a little better but far from enjoyable at times . But the more visible Iam it can only be more helpful for those following me X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesnt sound like it claire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By the way , with your looks im surprised they charge at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your a survivor, we all are , regardless where we are in terms of our personal progress, you may be female in all the right ways , and thats your chosen identify, doesnt mean you have to accept the status quo,( god i hope you never do) , or raise standards of acceptance and equality, proud of you ,x

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By *herbert fountainWoman
over a year ago

Hanley


"Quite shocked at some of the responses!

I have played with trasngender females on hormones and very often their cock is far from useful, due to the hormones. i really don't see what that has to do with anything!

I don't think we would be having the same discussion if the OP was female to male transgender! Would you be saying, not you must pay in as a female because you haven't got a cock and a strap on doesn't make you a man?! Believe me...the cock does not maketh the man!!

I would certainly not be vetting every single person on the way into the club by telling them to drop their pants or lift their skirt to check what lies beneath and asking them if they intend to easy pussy or fuck with their cock!!! What a crazy thought!!

If someone lives and identifies as a female, they are a female. Whatever they choose to do when they are having sex, is up to them and their gender should not be judged on their genitals or use thereof!

The trans spectrum is broad...very broad, with varying differences from one person to the next on how they identify and how they present themselves; we are all unique, are we not? Long gone are the black and white days of man and women and hetrosexuality! We now live and enjoy a rainbow coloured world, where we have moved on from man = cock and woman = fanny and thank god we have!!! Move with the times and open your mind! "

Beautifully put!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's the thing , my passport says f , at my doctors I'm f , at the gender clinic I'm f ', at the post office I'm f , my Car insurance is f , that's the point it's not about the money but just being treated as f , it shouldn't matter what's between my legs and if it works . I just want to go to a club and feel comfortable and make others feel that way X "

Then your female.

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By *r an Mrs xMan
over a year ago

liverpool

1970s attitude like some clubs around. Amour except t girls. / CDs / trans as a single female. Some clubs theses days you need a hairy chest , medallion and a string smell of hi karate .....

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By *jxxxxCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Such intolerance

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By *hristine and MarieCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Somewhere north of Spalding

If you go to Chams on bi Monday's you will be welcomed. If you take your passport or driving licence with F on they will charge as single fem. My wife didn't realise and proudly went to declare herself female post op but then discovered she'd been overcharged for years! Also she used to make me go with her even though I hate the place as that way we got in as a couple, so I also wish we'd known. Ah well, you live and learn

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By *anillanomoreCouple
over a year ago

Chichester

I would say female. If you present as a woman and live and as a woman then you are a woman I can't see why going to a club should change that.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.


"For me it's simple... If you are presenting as a woman then who am I, or anyone else to question it?

As Spicyminx has said, there ARE some accepting clubs and you should always feel comfortable in whatever setting you are in, swinging or otherwise. Spicy is well known for her Bi Nights at VA and you couldn't meet a more welcoming host "

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

Thanks everyone , I shall be venturing out v soon xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thanks everyone , I shall be venturing out v soon xx "

If the charging policy is £5 for women and £50 for guys,just hand over a fiver as though that was what was expected from the get go

If you assume that everyone else just assumes you are female,then, mostly,they will assume just that.First impressions are very hard to shake off,if you have a certain mindset about who you are,that tends to be transmitted to others and they perceive you as you should be perceived.

I would say the worst thing you can do in that position is to ask.That implies self doubt and you do not doubt yourself,do you?

X

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By *lairesurreyfun OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge


"Thanks everyone , I shall be venturing out v soon xx

If the charging policy is £5 for women and £50 for guys,just hand over a fiver as though that was what was expected from the get go

If you assume that everyone else just assumes you are female,then, mostly,they will assume just that.First impressions are very hard to shake off,if you have a certain mindset about who you are,that tends to be transmitted to others and they perceive you as you should be perceived.

I would say the worst thing you can do in that position is to ask.That implies self doubt and you do not doubt yourself,do you?

X"

It's not that easy I find , you are dealing with others perceptions not your own . I'm happy doing all things in my life fem , if others think you don't "pass " it's irrelevant how you feel . .

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By *akeyousmile30Man
over a year ago

greenwich


"As a trans woman you should be treated as a woman.... It shouldn't matter what stage of the operative process you are at.

Thank you , ideally yes but in real life it's never that straight forward let alone in the swinging scene and LGBT community even .

I face predudice and abuse constantly in real life but just get on with being me . I can't fight every battle or educate everyone who seems it's ok to be unkind x"

Anyone should be able to present themselves as they want without question.

I think as well that these days with so many clubs trying to get as much business as they can, they will get what ever ££££ they can.

Look round and pick your clubs. There are plenty that will appreciate you.

I am in lust to xxxxxx

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