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"Ye thats true i just wasn't sure whether single males are thrownd upon as couples and single females are wanted more right?? " not always...... different nights cater to different people.... if you can be socialable and generally not be a tit... you'll be fine.. just talk to people rather than just mooching about patrolling the play areas | |||
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"Just treat it as any other club nightout. " But slightly more expensive night out | |||
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"Just treat it as any other club nightout. But slightly more expensive night out " might be in london..... but if the comparison is for example a night out in a northern city centre.... i probably spend less in a swinging enviroment than i now in a town..... | |||
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"Ye thats true i just wasn't sure whether single males are thrownd upon as couples and single females are wanted more right?? " yes they can be frowned upon you have to tread on eggshells in some places like a minefield. Be polite, friendly, outgoing, smile at people your interested in. Socialise around the bar make sincere compliments. Don't ask to play immediately usually wait for an invitation from couples. Single ladies expect you to be more forward though. Respect the male half of a couple that is important. I think you almost have to have to be a 'grey man' try to blend in. Very easily targeted single males aswell you have no defence either an only takes a couple of fabricated complaints to get your pass revoked. Hope I haven't worried you too much but enjoy and good luck | |||
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" yes they can be frowned upon you have to tread on eggshells in some places like a minefield. Be polite, friendly, outgoing, smile at people your interested in. Socialise around the bar make sincere compliments. Don't ask to play immediately usually wait for an invitation from couples. Single ladies expect you to be more forward though. Respect the male half of a couple that is important. I think you almost have to have to be a 'grey man' try to blend in. Very easily targeted single males aswell you have no defence either an only takes a couple of fabricated complaints to get your pass revoked. Hope I haven't worried you too much but enjoy and good luck " see.. i read what you have written and a lot of it seems so defeatist... couples expect "this" where singles expect "that"...... i am screaming "just chat to people and see where it goes".... just because you are in club related to sex, doesn't mean the chat has to be!!! in fact, for the first 5-10 i'd rather it wasn't about any sex and just normal conversation.... show you are a human being and treat them as such... one thing always stuck with me... you only get one chance to make a great first impression..... normal conversation shows your personality!!! it makes you stand out! | |||
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" yes they can be frowned upon you have to tread on eggshells in some places like a minefield. Be polite, friendly, outgoing, smile at people your interested in. Socialise around the bar make sincere compliments. Don't ask to play immediately usually wait for an invitation from couples. Single ladies expect you to be more forward though. Respect the male half of a couple that is important. I think you almost have to have to be a 'grey man' try to blend in. Very easily targeted single males aswell you have no defence either an only takes a couple of fabricated complaints to get your pass revoked. Hope I haven't worried you too much but enjoy and good luck see.. i read what you have written and a lot of it seems so defeatist... couples expect "this" where singles expect "that"...... i am screaming "just chat to people and see where it goes".... just because you are in club related to sex, doesn't mean the chat has to be!!! in fact, for the first 5-10 i'd rather it wasn't about any sex and just normal conversation.... show you are a human being and treat them as such... one thing always stuck with me... you only get one chance to make a great first impression..... normal conversation shows your personality!!! it makes you stand out!" just realistic I think, I'm successful at being a single male just letting him be aware of how it is in certain clubs. | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure?" not all clubs charge the same prices on all nights....... clubs cater for different groups on different nights..... | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? not all clubs charge the same prices on all nights....... clubs cater for different groups on different nights....." but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure?" It's supply and demand | |||
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" but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making " you can use the comparison of envy if you like.... i'll use the comparison of realism... so "for me" and the clubs i like to go to, i would likely spend less on a night out going to a swingers club, or a swingers social, then i would on going out on the same night to the nearest major city centre and go out on the lash........ | |||
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" but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making you can use the comparison of envy if you like.... i'll use the comparison of realism... so "for me" and the clubs i like to go to, i would likely spend less on a night out going to a swingers club, or a swingers social, then i would on going out on the same night to the nearest major city centre and go out on the lash........ " Err ok not sure what the envy/realism comment is about or why it's needed but "for me" a normal night out would cost me significantly less than a night out at a swingers club mainly because the entry price alone so bang goes that theory | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand " Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? | |||
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" but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making you can use the comparison of envy if you like.... i'll use the comparison of realism... so "for me" and the clubs i like to go to, i would likely spend less on a night out going to a swingers club, or a swingers social, then i would on going out on the same night to the nearest major city centre and go out on the lash........ Err ok not sure what the envy/realism comment is about or why it's needed but "for me" a normal night out would cost me significantly less than a night out at a swingers club mainly because the entry price alone so bang goes that theory " because not ever club pays london prices....so what we pay in the north is considerably different to what you pay... for example... my local club charge 25 quid for single guys on a friday night yes couples and single women get in cheaper and i don't begrudge them at all but is that extortionate... because for me, what i would for example pay on a friday night doing other things is not so not all clubs charge the moon and the stars.... | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady?" Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. | |||
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" but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making you can use the comparison of envy if you like.... i'll use the comparison of realism... so "for me" and the clubs i like to go to, i would likely spend less on a night out going to a swingers club, or a swingers social, then i would on going out on the same night to the nearest major city centre and go out on the lash........ Err ok not sure what the envy/realism comment is about or why it's needed but "for me" a normal night out would cost me significantly less than a night out at a swingers club mainly because the entry price alone so bang goes that theory because not ever club pays london prices....so what we pay in the north is considerably different to what you pay... for example... my local club charge 25 quid for single guys on a friday night yes couples and single women get in cheaper and i don't begrudge them at all but is that extortionate... because for me, what i would for example pay on a friday night doing other things is not so not all clubs charge the moon and the stars...." i never said they did your making the assumption that i am just talking about London prices why i don't know, i never said anything about begrudging anyone or extortion i just agreed with the point that single men pay more | |||
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" i never said they did your making the assumption that i am just talking about London prices why i don't know, i never said anything about begrudging anyone or extortion i just agreed with the point that single men pay more " probably because you replied to the following... "Just treat it as any other club nightout. But slightly more expensive night out " but as i was saying that is not true of all clubs on all nights..... | |||
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" i never said they did your making the assumption that i am just talking about London prices why i don't know, i never said anything about begrudging anyone or extortion i just agreed with the point that single men pay more probably because you replied to the following... Just treat it as any other club nightout. But slightly more expensive night out but as i was saying that is not true of all clubs on all nights....." Yes that was me replying to somebody's comment with my own and? I never said that was the case of all clubs on all nights | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy." I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off." I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went?" If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much. | |||
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"Ive been to clubs as a single guy and as a couple so i can see things from both sides .but I just can't understand why guys just mooch around looking . smile at a couple go and introduce yourself , That as a couple is paramount for us because it shows you are polite and freindly wheras if you turn up at the end of the bed where we are playing just fumbling in your towl then you have no chance . " i appreciate what your saying but it's completely different approaching couples versus a single lady. Requires a lot of confidence to approach a couple which some men don't have so I think couples should approach men. I know this isn't always the case though so I will try my luck but sometimes it will just never happen. It could help if you knew they were looking for single men for instance a greedy girls night is a green light for me. | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much." Here's a really radical idea! Don't go to the club that wants to charge you as a single male £50 to get in. Look at the many other clubs that will charge you £20/£25 to get in or in some cases £10 or even free at certain events. Instead of just saying over and over again I don't want to pay £50 as a single male to get into a club. Read the many forum threads here there are socials that give you reduced entry to clubs or club nights where the entrance is cheap. I go to clubs regularly as a single male and wouldn't dream of spending £50 to get in. If I see a club that I like the look of but they want to charge me silly money, I won't go until I see a night like that advertised. If there isn't one, then that club won't get my business. It really isn't rocket science, loads of reasonably priced clubs out there you just have to put the effort in to finding them. | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much." But it would increase the number of single men that go which could put a lot of women off going. I don't know how to make it fairer financially and still get a balanced amount of both men and women going. | |||
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" i appreciate what your saying but it's completely different approaching couples versus a single lady. Requires a lot of confidence to approach a couple which some men don't have so I think couples should approach men. I know this isn't always the case though so I will try my luck but sometimes it will just never happen. It could help if you knew they were looking for single men for instance a greedy girls night is a green light for me." see this is where you and me fundermentally disagee.... you say different approaches are needed for couples and single ladies...... i disagree... talking to people is talking to people irrespective... and that is how you find out what people are after, and maybe the fact that some people DO treat it differently isn't helping the cause.... confidence is confidence, people who chat are always going to do better than those who go round like silent assasins patrolling play areas... or those who will only speak to one but not the other (which most people would have seen in clubs) or waiting on the hubs to go to bar/toilet and then slope in.... before rushing off when partner comes back (again most people in clubs will have seen that) | |||
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" If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much." two things here.... 1) the price actually isn't stopping you from going... it stopping you going as often as you would like..... 2) as for justify going at that price... if you want guarentees, see an escort... otherwise all you are ever paying for going to a club are the facilities.... use all, use some, use none... but thats not on the club.... | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much. Here's a really radical idea! Don't go to the club that wants to charge you as a single male £50 to get in. Look at the many other clubs that will charge you £20/£25 to get in or in some cases £10 or even free at certain events. Instead of just saying over and over again I don't want to pay £50 as a single male to get into a club. Read the many forum threads here there are socials that give you reduced entry to clubs or club nights where the entrance is cheap. I go to clubs regularly as a single male and wouldn't dream of spending £50 to get in. If I see a club that I like the look of but they want to charge me silly money, I won't go until I see a night like that advertised. If there isn't one, then that club won't get my business. It really isn't rocket science, loads of reasonably priced clubs out there you just have to put the effort in to finding them. " You do realise that you are talking far too much sense?? | |||
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"You do realise that you are talking far too much sense?? " Oh God yeah, so I am What I meant to say was 'All single men are ripped off by every swingers club out there. I'm going to sit at home and moan about it on here from now on' Off to post a couple of threads now about how hard done by I am both in clubs and on here as a single male. Also going to post a few threads asking how to get that all important 1st veri as well | |||
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" but they still charge more for single men which is the point the guy was making you can use the comparison of envy if you like.... i'll use the comparison of realism... so "for me" and the clubs i like to go to, i would likely spend less on a night out going to a swingers club, or a swingers social, then i would on going out on the same night to the nearest major city centre and go out on the lash........ Err ok not sure what the envy/realism comment is about or why it's needed but "for me" a normal night out would cost me significantly less than a night out at a swingers club mainly because the entry price alone so bang goes that theory " What clubs in London have you tried? All the ones I've attended, yes the guys are charged more, but the prices are reasonable 20/35 pound......definitely cheaper than a vanilla night out!!!!!! | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much. Here's a really radical idea! Don't go to the club that wants to charge you as a single male £50 to get in. Look at the many other clubs that will charge you £20/£25 to get in or in some cases £10 or even free at certain events. Instead of just saying over and over again I don't want to pay £50 as a single male to get into a club. Read the many forum threads here there are socials that give you reduced entry to clubs or club nights where the entrance is cheap. I go to clubs regularly as a single male and wouldn't dream of spending £50 to get in. If I see a club that I like the look of but they want to charge me silly money, I won't go until I see a night like that advertised. If there isn't one, then that club won't get my business. It really isn't rocket science, loads of reasonably priced clubs out there you just have to put the effort in to finding them. " How far would you travel to get to a club? | |||
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"How far would you travel to get to a club?" I regularly travel 90 odd miles each way to a club and have travelled even further for socials etc. My local club is only 13 miles each way and I try and get there at least once a week on average. | |||
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"You do realise that you are talking far too much sense?? Oh God yeah, so I am What I meant to say was 'All single men are ripped off by every swingers club out there. I'm going to sit at home and moan about it on here from now on' Off to post a couple of threads now about how hard done by I am both in clubs and on here as a single male. Also going to post a few threads asking how to get that all important 1st veri as well " Everyone knows you're not genuine | |||
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"How far would you travel to get to a club? I regularly travel 90 odd miles each way to a club and have travelled even further for socials etc. My local club is only 13 miles each way and I try and get there at least once a week on average. " Yeah he travelled all the way from his location to my location the to the Midlands for a club night then drives me all the way home. I could have made him drive home but at 6am I think he needed a rest | |||
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"How far would you travel to get to a club? I regularly travel 90 odd miles each way to a club and have travelled even further for socials etc. My local club is only 13 miles each way and I try and get there at least once a week on average. " Thanks | |||
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"Why is it that single males have to pay so much more to go to the clubs? I have seen some clubs charging £10 for single ladies, £30 for couples and single males are charged £50? Why do they have such a pricing structure? It's supply and demand Is there a demand from single men to pay five times as much admission as a single lady? Of course not, but there are still far more single men that go than single ladies even with the price discrepancy. I just don't get why single men have to pay five times as much for admission. To me it is a rip off. I agree that the pricing should be fairer but would you rather everyone paid the same and less single women went and more single men went? If the admission price for men was reduced to the same level as is current for single women, then that shouldn't see a reduction in the number of women going. The current levels make it very hard for me to justify going, £50 just to get through the door is steep. Like many I don't have the means to pay so much. Here's a really radical idea! Don't go to the club that wants to charge you as a single male £50 to get in. Look at the many other clubs that will charge you £20/£25 to get in or in some cases £10 or even free at certain events. Instead of just saying over and over again I don't want to pay £50 as a single male to get into a club. Read the many forum threads here there are socials that give you reduced entry to clubs or club nights where the entrance is cheap. I go to clubs regularly as a single male and wouldn't dream of spending £50 to get in. If I see a club that I like the look of but they want to charge me silly money, I won't go until I see a night like that advertised. If there isn't one, then that club won't get my business. It really isn't rocket science, loads of reasonably priced clubs out there you just have to put the effort in to finding them. " Brilliant reply Lee! Yes, put in some homework and you will be rewarded! | |||
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"How far would you travel to get to a club? I regularly travel 90 odd miles each way to a club and have travelled even further for socials etc. My local club is only 13 miles each way and I try and get there at least once a week on average. " A used to meet a lady in Bristol who had travelled up from Plymouth and we would go on to Chameleons. 150 miles each way for me! | |||
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" i appreciate what your saying but it's completely different approaching couples versus a single lady. Requires a lot of confidence to approach a couple which some men don't have so I think couples should approach men. I know this isn't always the case though so I will try my luck but sometimes it will just never happen. It could help if you knew they were looking for single men for instance a greedy girls night is a green light for me. see this is where you and me fundermentally disagee.... you say different approaches are needed for couples and single ladies...... i disagree... talking to people is talking to people irrespective... and that is how you find out what people are after, and maybe the fact that some people DO treat it differently isn't helping the cause.... confidence is confidence, people who chat are always going to do better than those who go round like silent assasins patrolling play areas... or those who will only speak to one but not the other (which most people would have seen in clubs) or waiting on the hubs to go to bar/toilet and then slope in.... before rushing off when partner comes back (again most people in clubs will have seen that)" I think we agree to disagree. There is a completely different dynamic talking to couples and single ladies. I approached a couple a few weeks ago and the guys nickname is tank which is very apt believe me and I spoke to some single males and they were frightened to try approach or even talk to them when they were infact a very nice couple but not looking for single guys yet. | |||
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"You do realise that you are talking far too much sense?? Oh God yeah, so I am What I meant to say was 'All single men are ripped off by every swingers club out there. I'm going to sit at home and moan about it on here from now on' Off to post a couple of threads now about how hard done by I am both in clubs and on here as a single male. Also going to post a few threads asking how to get that all important 1st veri as well " That is much more like it | |||
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