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theres been several threads on this already (and thats just in the last 2 months) that will give you wide ranging opinions. Also, a few of those posts give guidance to sites to look at to get the low down on 'private members clubs' and how they are permitted charge less to attract certain people who are normally under-represented. (In this case - women).
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"Thinks is to make the ratio better nobody wants 20 geezers and 2 birds but I do agree it's a bit harsh " Yes, it's pretty obvious why the do it, because they can....but is it legal? | |||
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theres been several threads on this already (and thats just in the last 2 months) that will give you wide ranging opinions. Also, a few of those posts give guidance to sites to look at to get the low down on 'private members clubs' and how they are permitted charge less to attract certain people who are normally under-represented. (In this case - women).
"So it's a private memebrs thing then that allows this? Sorry for asking...I'll skulk away with my tail between my legs | |||
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"This has been done to death and comes up every week. If you are offended about the price structure of clubs you have a number of options 1. Don't go 2.Open your own club and set your own prices 3. Take a club to court. 4. Come on here and put up a post that will change fuck all. Most go for no4. " I only asked? I havent seen them every week? | |||
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"Thinks is to make the ratio better nobody wants 20 geezers and 2 birds but I do agree it's a bit harsh Yes, it's pretty obvious why the do it, because they can....but is it legal?" I'm guessing so as they all do it and have been for a while | |||
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"This has been done to death and comes up every week. If you are offended about the price structure of clubs you have a number of options 1. Don't go 2.Open your own club and set your own prices 3. Take a club to court. 4. Come on here and put up a post that will change fuck all. Most go for no4. I only asked? I havent seen them every week?" You can post what you like, ignore those moaning, they don't have to post on here if they've seen it all before. As to your post, I can see why they charge single men more but I don't think it should be such a vast difference in price as it is. | |||
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"Taken from citizens advice "Another example of sex discrimination is a club which offers free entrance only to women. However, a private members' club is allowed to discriminate against women or men in this way. Examples of a private members' club include working men’s clubs, golf clubs, bowling clubs, and gentlemen’s clubs."" . Yes, just found that. Thanks. | |||
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"This has been done to death and comes up every week. If you are offended about the price structure of clubs you have a number of options 1. Don't go 2.Open your own club and set your own prices 3. Take a club to court. 4. Come on here and put up a post that will change fuck all. Most go for no4. " I love this post!!  
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 am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...  | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ... "Best to contact the club you are interested in. Some won't allow you to attend in dressed mode. | |||
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"Why are clubs allowed to charge higher entry fees to men than they charge for women? Is this not a clear cut case of Direct Sex discrimination? It is according to the citizens advice bureau's website. What are your thoughts, I am all for equal rights, but doesn't it work both ways? " They are a private members club. | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ... "Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people? | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Best to contact the club you are interested in. Some won't allow you to attend in dressed mode."Thank you .... Will do  | |||
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theres been several threads on this already (and thats just in the last 2 months) that will give you wide ranging opinions. Also, a few of those posts give guidance to sites to look at to get the low down on 'private members clubs' and how they are permitted charge less to attract certain people who are normally under-represented. (In this case - women).
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people?"Clubs usually try and charge me as a single man if I'm in any way presenting as a man. The same clubs will generally try and charge transwomen as single men too. So basically, they'll charge for whatever makes the most money. Which is why I much prefer fetish clubs over swingers clubs that have dungeon spaces. | |||
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"Ye, thanks for the replies. I completely understand the clubs reasoning for doing this, it was weather or not they were breaking discrimination laws in doing so that I was interested in." And now you know that they are not breaking any anti-discrimination laws. If they were, the councils would be the first to close them down. | |||
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"Having seen so many of these threads I've started noting, out of curiosity, the pricing policies on club websites. It really varies quite dramatically and I've spotted quite a few where there's little or even no difference in admission prices. Of course there are others where there is a big difference and often it varies by day and time of day. Ultimately though the main argument appears to be that the clubs need a certain level of income. If they tried to split that evenly there would be an increase in men attending and a likely decrease in women and couples attending (as their admission fees went up). That mix would be an unattractive proposition to most and ultimately the offer wouldn't get people through the door. And, I guess the club closes. Maybe I'm being a little blinkered though. Is there another model that sees lower costs for guys but still sees enough of a mixed crowd to keep the club in business? " The only model I could think of is to limit the number of single guys, but have them book and pay in advance to limit any potential loss of income through no shows. Single women and couples would probably still attend given that single guy numbers are limited and the pricing structure could be fair to all. It is a fine balance between making money and making the club a viable proportion for all who want to go. | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people?
Clubs usually try and charge me as a single man if I'm in any way presenting as a man.
The same clubs will generally try and charge transwomen as single men too. So basically, they'll charge for whatever makes the most money.
Which is why I much prefer fetish clubs over swingers clubs that have dungeon spaces."I note you say "try"..lol. I do hope you have stood your ground on this one! | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people?
Clubs usually try and charge me as a single man if I'm in any way presenting as a man.
The same clubs will generally try and charge transwomen as single men too. So basically, they'll charge for whatever makes the most money.
Which is why I much prefer fetish clubs over swingers clubs that have dungeon spaces.
I note you say "try"..lol. I do hope you have stood your ground on this one!"It depends on the club. SOme don't allow trans people whatsoever; I personally think that is their loss as our trans membership is huge! Anywayyyy... Our charges are pretty straightforward. A TGirl who literally dresses as such and does not live as female receives TGirl membership and is charged £10 at every event. A trans male or female who lives as such 24/7 is charged accordingly as a male or female and the latter are not classed as Tgirls, they are female. We do not tend to get any females in who dress as male and not transitioning, this seems to be mainly a male to female occurance. We also have poly memberships for poly families and we have same sex memberships. We have many FF couples who are happy to pay the couples price rather than single female price; 'couple' is not restricted to MF and our couples membership reflects this...same with MM couples. xx | |||
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"Ye, thanks for the replies. I completely understand the clubs reasoning for doing this, it was weather or not they were breaking discrimination laws in doing so that I was interested in." PRICING ACT We are a Private Members Club. A club such as ours which has more than 25 members is bound by the Equality Act 2010, which means that there is a 'protected characteristic' clause whereby people should not be discriminated against due to disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. However, there are several other clauses which allows a Private Members club to offer different priced memberships to people even if they fall into the protected characteristic group. A swingers club could fill to the rafters every single night with single guys who will pay stupid money to walk through the doors. They are hugely over represented. On the flip side, swingers clubs, generally speaking have a shortage of single females and people from the trans community, because these groups of people may find it more difficult to walk into a club such as ours alone as they may feel vulnerable and there may be a fear factor preventing them from coming through the doors....they are at a disadvantage. Couples are also in demand, as without them, the single guys would be twiddling their thumbs....or nobs! There is a clause in the Equality Act 2010 which goes something like this: "There are some people with protected characteristics who are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristics. Positive action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs" . The steps that can be taken, include offerings discounts and concessions to these identified groups of people. (Taken from the Government Equalities Office) To meet the criteria for the above, the Private Members club needs to advertise its pricing clearly on their website or other media for potential members to peruse prior to taking a membership. So the potential member has a choice of whether to take a membership or not and make an informed decision. The club should also be in a position to justify the pricing structure if questioned by a potential member so that they understand why they may be asked to pay more money than other members. It is all down to supply and demand with single guys with all the clubs. Every club gets fully booked with guys too many book in say for example we charge £100 a single guy we would get only 15 try and book in. If w charge £30 we will get around 60 guys try and book in. If we charged £10 a single guy we would get around 300 try and book in just crazy. As to the single females it is totally different if you charge single females £100 you get none If you charge single females £30 you get none If you charge single females £10 you might get one If you charge single females £5 you might if your luck get 1 0r 2 If you let single females in for Free you can get around 10 or 11 females in If you yet single guys in for free over 500 would try and book in and it would be crazy and you would never get a chance to get on the booking list as we ratio guys to a max of 20 on a sat night. So the system we have works and so don’t change any thing till it is broke they say. Your not alone i go to many clubs and it is the same every where us guys always have to pay compared to the females that is life sorry to say. We have to balance our books and get the number ratio right so it does not have too many single guys that will, scare off the couples. Hope this has helped you understand how it works trust me if you started a club up tomorrow you will still learn that you would have to operate a simular system or you will go bust and close down. | |||
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Most 'swingers clubs' charge different amounts for different sexes on different days/times. Private members clubs by law are allowed to do this. Not all swingers clubs are private members clubs though.
If you can walk into a swingers club without being a member or where only single guys have to be members/pay for membership, this is not a private members club and is therefore breaking the law.
There are a few things as not only a single guy but as a club goer in general that you can do about this. a, Vote with your feet, only go to swingers clubs that are indeed private members clubs and are within the law. b, report/take to court all clubs that you think are breaking the law. c, Use the forums on here and other sites to go to clubs that have 'special offers on' so you can get in cheaper or d, just post on the forums saying how hard done by you are 
I only go to clubs that I think are value for money. If I think a club charges too much, I either don't go there or I only go on party/social nights when the cost of going suits my pocket.
Sitting at home and posting on here whining about it won't change a thing, do your homework, and get out there and see just how much fun you can have for a reasonable price at decent well run swingers clubs | |||
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"Ye, thanks for the replies. I completely understand the clubs reasoning for doing this, it was weather or not they were breaking discrimination laws in doing so that I was interested in. PRICING ACT We are a Private Members Club. A club such as ours which has more than 25 members is bound by the Equality Act 2010, which means that there is a 'protected characteristic' clause whereby people should not be discriminated against due to disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. However, there are several other clauses which allows a Private Members club to offer different priced memberships to people even if they fall into the protected characteristic group. A swingers club could fill to the rafters every single night with single guys who will pay stupid money to walk through the doors. They are hugely over represented. On the flip side, swingers clubs, generally speaking have a shortage of single females and people from the trans community, because these groups of people may find it more difficult to walk into a club such as ours alone as they may feel vulnerable and there may be a fear factor preventing them from coming through the doors....they are at a disadvantage. Couples are also in demand, as without them, the single guys would be twiddling their thumbs....or nobs! There is a clause in the Equality Act 2010 which goes something like this: "There are some people with protected characteristics who are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristics. Positive action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs" . The steps that can be taken, include offerings discounts and concessions to these identified groups of people. (Taken from the Government Equalities Office) To meet the criteria for the above, the Private Members club needs to advertise its pricing clearly on their website or other media for potential members to peruse prior to taking a membership. So the potential member has a choice of whether to take a membership or not and make an informed decision. The club should also be in a position to justify the pricing structure if questioned by a potential member so that they understand why they may be asked to pay more money than other members. It is all down to supply and demand with single guys with all the clubs. Every club gets fully booked with guys too many book in say for example we charge £100 a single guy we would get only 15 try and book in. If w charge £30 we will get around 60 guys try and book in. If we charged £10 a single guy we would get around 300 try and book in just crazy. As to the single females it is totally different if you charge single females £100 you get none If you charge single females £30 you get none If you charge single females £10 you might get one If you charge single females £5 you might if your luck get 1 0r 2 If you let single females in for Free you can get around 10 or 11 females in If you yet single guys in for free over 500 would try and book in and it would be crazy and you would never get a chance to get on the booking list as we ratio guys to a max of 20 on a sat night. So the system we have works and so don’t change any thing till it is broke they say. Your not alone i go to many clubs and it is the same every where us guys always have to pay compared to the females that is life sorry to say. We have to balance our books and get the number ratio right so it does not have too many single guys that will, scare off the couples. Hope this has helped you understand how it works trust me if you started a club up tomorrow you will still learn that you would have to operate a simular system or you will go bust and close down. " | |||
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"Why are clubs allowed to charge higher entry fees to men than they charge for women? Is this not a clear cut case of Direct Sex discrimination? It is according to the citizens advice bureau's website. What are your thoughts, I am all for equal rights, but doesn't it work both ways? " WOW Nobody has ever thought to ask this before.... ever.... | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people?"Guess it will have to be according to their legal gender. Otherwise they would be breaking the law | |||
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"As never being to a "club" ... Anyone know what "price" bracket I come under am I classed as a male or female? Or does it depend on the club?! Just out of curiosity ...
Interesting point, how about transgender or androgynous people?
Guess it will have to be according to their legal gender. Otherwise they would be breaking the law"Why would someone be breaking the law? In almost every situation there is absolutely no requirement to disclose the gender on your birth certificate. I should know, I routinely refuse to tell people. | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. " As I once wrote... clubs are 'reassuringly expensive' for the gentlemen attending. Which is why I prefer to now try and only attend clubs with equal pricing. | |||
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"Very good point made by OP but if all clubs charged guys the same as others ,all they would need do is make sure all guys are on a guest list to keep a balance jobs a good un ,but like everything in life greed takes over to rake in the ££££" Strangely enough, clubs are commercial ventures and not charities. | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. " I would agree with this. Women are a big part of the attraction of swingers clubs where men can get ( potentially ) easy, NSA sex with attractive women who are up for it. You don't even have to buy them a drink FFS! As a contrast, fetish clubs charge the same for everyone as women go to them for different reasons as to why they might go to swingers' clubs. | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. I would agree with this. Women are a big part of the attraction of swingers clubs where men can get ( potentially ) easy, NSA sex with attractive women who are up for it. You don't even have to buy them a drink FFS! As a contrast, fetish clubs charge the same for everyone as women go to them for different reasons as to why they might go to swingers' clubs. " Most of the women I know that go to fetish clubs go there to play or find people to have sex with. Bit like a swingers club really. 
I don't know why fetish clubs can charge equal pricing and not be massively unbalanced but swingers clubs can't. I suspect something historical. I personally feel like women are treated very differently at swingers clubs to fetish clubs, but that's just my own experience. I suspect the two scenes could learn alot from each other if they'd ever talk... | |||
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"Yep, there's LOADS of posts on this subject and I can see whay some guys get pissed about it. It's perfectly legal and it's a benefit offered to private members clubs to attract the under represented groups of people into their venue,ie single fems. So it's like an incentive to attract the ladies/couples in for the abundance of single males to meet. Thing is, not all clubs are classed as 'private members clubs' and still use this clause. They should be careful! There reallt are loads of threads in the archives here, some longer than others, but the fact remains that it's legal if not unethical in some peoples opinion. Hope this helps Vic xxx" The 2010 Equality Act reads differently to me. This is an example taken directly from the Goverments Booklet on the Act. " Can private clubs still offer different types of membership? Private clubs will still be able to offer different types of membership at different prices or on different terms, providing each type of membership is open to all regardless of a person’s protected characteristics. Example A golf club cannot restrict female members to playing only on certain days if male members are permitted to play every day. This would be direct discrimination because of sex. Membership terms must be the same for all members, regardless of their protected characteristics. However, a golf club can offer differential rates based on time of day (peak and off-peak, for example). As long as both rates are available to all members regardless of their protected characteristics, this is allowed" My reading is a private members club could offer reduced rates at any time. But they must be offered to everyone regardless of sex. This is the link. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/85018/private-clubs.pdf | |||
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"in the eyes of the law... it is not the couples or women setting the "normal" price... and men then paying a higher charge it is men paying the "normal" price... and then other groups being discounted if it can be shown they would be under-represented otherwise...... there is a famous example of where men.. and single men in particular do benefit from this.... if you go to a line dancing/salsa dancing/ in fact any dancing where you basically need men!!!!...... the price for men is sometimes discounted to tempt them thru the doors.... " Again using this from the goverments info on it. ''Membership terms must be the same for all members, regardless of their protected characteristics. However, a golf club can offer differential rates based on time of day (peak and off-peak, for example). As long as both rates are available to all members regardless of their protected characteristics, this is allowed" | |||
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"I think at fetish clubs there is more equality. It's not loads of single men wandering around looking for a woman to stick their dick into ( without even talking to them). I've had much more interesting conversations with men at fetish clubs than I ever have at swingers clubs. Some men just seem to want to empty their balls and then they're done. Fetish clubs are not like that at all. " To be fair, I have had some cracking nights in a club where everyone is just having a laugh and good time without sex. I do agree though that some guys just go thinking they are going to get their hole. | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. I would agree with this. Women are a big part of the attraction of swingers clubs where men can get ( potentially ) easy, NSA sex with attractive women who are up for it. You don't even have to buy them a drink FFS! As a contrast, fetish clubs charge the same for everyone as women go to them for different reasons as to why they might go to swingers' clubs. Most of the women I know that go to fetish clubs go there to play or find people to have sex with. Bit like a swingers club really.
I don't know why fetish clubs can charge equal pricing and not be massively unbalanced but swingers clubs can't. I suspect something historical. I personally feel like women are treated very differently at swingers clubs to fetish clubs, but that's just my own experience. I suspect the two scenes could learn alot from each other if they'd ever talk..."Just to say that's not our experience of Fetish Clubs at all, and we have experience of a few. Yes, they charge everyone the same price but numbers generally are far, far fewer and the vast majority of people go in groups. There is usually very little sex going on, and indeed it is often frowned upon. Indeed, there is very little mixing at all - you play with those you came with in most cases. Certainly, any single men now thinking that fet clubs are the place to go for casual sex will be sorely disappointed. Fet nights are what they are, and can be great fun - but they are (rightly) very different nights to swing nights. | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. I would agree with this. Women are a big part of the attraction of swingers clubs where men can get ( potentially ) easy, NSA sex with attractive women who are up for it. You don't even have to buy them a drink FFS! As a contrast, fetish clubs charge the same for everyone as women go to them for different reasons as to why they might go to swingers' clubs. Most of the women I know that go to fetish clubs go there to play or find people to have sex with. Bit like a swingers club really.
I don't know why fetish clubs can charge equal pricing and not be massively unbalanced but swingers clubs can't. I suspect something historical. I personally feel like women are treated very differently at swingers clubs to fetish clubs, but that's just my own experience. I suspect the two scenes could learn alot from each other if they'd ever talk..."Not all fet clubs allow sexual interiors though. My fav doesn't permit sex. Some even have a no nudity policy. | |||
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"Ye, thanks for the replies. I completely understand the clubs reasoning for doing this, it was weather or not they were breaking discrimination laws in doing so that I was interested in. PRICING ACT We are a Private Members Club. A club such as ours which has more than 25 members is bound by the Equality Act 2010, which means that there is a 'protected characteristic' clause whereby people should not be discriminated against due to disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. However, there are several other clauses which allows a Private Members club to offer different priced memberships to people even if they fall into the protected characteristic group. A swingers club could fill to the rafters every single night with single guys who will pay stupid money to walk through the doors. They are hugely over represented. On the flip side, swingers clubs, generally speaking have a shortage of single females and people from the trans community, because these groups of people may find it more difficult to walk into a club such as ours alone as they may feel vulnerable and there may be a fear factor preventing them from coming through the doors....they are at a disadvantage. Couples are also in demand, as without them, the single guys would be twiddling their thumbs....or nobs! There is a clause in the Equality Act 2010 which goes something like this: "There are some people with protected characteristics who are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristics. Positive action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs" . The steps that can be taken, include offerings discounts and concessions to these identified groups of people. (Taken from the Government Equalities Office) To meet the criteria for the above, the Private Members club needs to advertise its pricing clearly on their website or other media for potential members to peruse prior to taking a membership. So the potential member has a choice of whether to take a membership or not and make an informed decision. The club should also be in a position to justify the pricing structure if questioned by a potential member so that they understand why they may be asked to pay more money than other members. " Thank you for using my carefully thought out and considered writing here, which I put together for another thread on the same question!!! I remember doing the research for that response and I would recognise my style of writing anywhere!! lol...but if you want to use it as your own...go ahead!!! hahaha xxx | |||
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"Ye, thanks for the replies. I completely understand the clubs reasoning for doing this, it was weather or not they were breaking discrimination laws in doing so that I was interested in. PRICING ACT We are a Private Members Club. A club such as ours which has more than 25 members is bound by the Equality Act 2010, which means that there is a 'protected characteristic' clause whereby people should not be discriminated against due to disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. However, there are several other clauses which allows a Private Members club to offer different priced memberships to people even if they fall into the protected characteristic group. A swingers club could fill to the rafters every single night with single guys who will pay stupid money to walk through the doors. They are hugely over represented. On the flip side, swingers clubs, generally speaking have a shortage of single females and people from the trans community, because these groups of people may find it more difficult to walk into a club such as ours alone as they may feel vulnerable and there may be a fear factor preventing them from coming through the doors....they are at a disadvantage. Couples are also in demand, as without them, the single guys would be twiddling their thumbs....or nobs! There is a clause in the Equality Act 2010 which goes something like this: "There are some people with protected characteristics who are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristics. Positive action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs" . The steps that can be taken, include offerings discounts and concessions to these identified groups of people. (Taken from the Government Equalities Office) To meet the criteria for the above, the Private Members club needs to advertise its pricing clearly on their website or other media for potential members to peruse prior to taking a membership. So the potential member has a choice of whether to take a membership or not and make an informed decision. The club should also be in a position to justify the pricing structure if questioned by a potential member so that they understand why they may be asked to pay more money than other members. Thank you for using my carefully thought out and considered writing here, which I put together for another thread on the same question!!! I remember doing the research for that response and I would recognise my style of writing anywhere!! lol...but if you want to use it as your own...go ahead!!! hahaha xxx" | |||
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"There's an adage in the tech industry that often gets banded around when people describe services as 'free', and that is that 'if you're not the person paying, you're the product being sold'. Seems oddly appropriate for swingers clubs, as well. It's up to every individual as to how comfortable they are with that. I would agree with this. Women are a big part of the attraction of swingers clubs where men can get ( potentially ) easy, NSA sex with attractive women who are up for it. You don't even have to buy them a drink FFS! As a contrast, fetish clubs charge the same for everyone as women go to them for different reasons as to why they might go to swingers' clubs. Most of the women I know that go to fetish clubs go there to play or find people to have sex with. Bit like a swingers club really.
I don't know why fetish clubs can charge equal pricing and not be massively unbalanced but swingers clubs can't. I suspect something historical. I personally feel like women are treated very differently at swingers clubs to fetish clubs, but that's just my own experience. I suspect the two scenes could learn alot from each other if they'd ever talk...
Not all fet clubs allow sexual interiors though. My fav doesn't permit sex.
Some even have a no nudity policy."Sure, people don't always have sex on the night, but most people do sex as part of their kink,and so they are looking to find people to play and have sex with generally. All the clubs that I personally go to *do* allow sex, and they have roughly similar numbers of men and women while still charging about the same amounts. They're very popular events, and some of them easily attract well over a hundred people. Not everyone there is looking for casual play and sex but *plenty* are. I suspect it is more about the kinds of people each scene has historically attracted as to why they attract different ratios of gender. And perhaps peoples perception of what goes on at them (i.e. swing clubs being a place to find an easy lay). | |||
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"Can I also add, That there is a good chance there are a large number of females as members due to couples membership. It could be hard to argue that women were under represented. " One of the swingers clubs I am a member at has roughly 2000 female members since the time it opened its doors some 20 years ago. I know this because a girlfriend and I got our membership at the same time and our membership numbers are consecutive; 20xx and 20xx+1 I also took out a couples membership there with my regular(ish) male companion. Our membership number is 12nnn And the membership for men is in the 30nnn range The ratio is something like 1:6:15 Like I said, I want to shake the hand of the brave soul who will bankroll a swingers club with will charge exactly the same per person | |||
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"oh god, not this again
theres been several threads on this already (and thats just in the last 2 months) that will give you wide ranging opinions. Also, a few of those posts give guidance to sites to look at to get the low down on 'private members clubs' and how they are permitted charge less to attract certain people who are normally under-represented. (In this case - women).
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"Can I also add, That there is a good chance there are a large number of females as members due to couples membership. It could be hard to argue that women were under represented. One of the swingers clubs I am a member at has roughly 2000 female members since the time it opened its doors some 20 years ago. I know this because a girlfriend and I got our membership at the same time and our membership numbers are consecutive; 20xx and 20xx+1 I also took out a couples membership there with my regular(ish) male companion. Our membership number is 12nnn And the membership for men is in the 30nnn range The ratio is something like 1:6:15 Like I said, I want to shake the hand of the brave soul who will bankroll a swingers club with will charge exactly the same per person" The one I go to most often has a far larger couple membership to single men. I'd say the ratio would be nearer 1:3 there. But for easy counting lets put it between the 2 figures. If 25% of the members are female, It would be difficult to argue they are significantly under represnted imho. For the record I agree on the bankrolling statement, and don't have a problem personally being charged what I do. Generally I find a better atmosphere in swinger clubs than the pubs and clubs. But I think the real reason the clubs get away with the charging structure, Is that nobody would want the attention of bringing a case of discrimination against them. | |||
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"Can I also add, That there is a good chance there are a large number of females as members due to couples membership. It could be hard to argue that women were under represented. One of the swingers clubs I am a member at has roughly 2000 female members since the time it opened its doors some 20 years ago. I know this because a girlfriend and I got our membership at the same time and our membership numbers are consecutive; 20xx and 20xx+1 I also took out a couples membership there with my regular(ish) male companion. Our membership number is 12nnn And the membership for men is in the 30nnn range The ratio is something like 1:6:15 Like I said, I want to shake the hand of the brave soul who will bankroll a swingers club with will charge exactly the same per person The one I go to most often has a far larger couple membership to single men. I'd say the ratio would be nearer 1:3 there. But for easy counting lets put it between the 2 figures. If 25% of the members are female, It would be difficult to argue they are significantly under represnted imho. For the record I agree on the bankrolling statement, and don't have a problem personally being charged what I do. Generally I find a better atmosphere in swinger clubs than the pubs and clubs. But I think the real reason the clubs get away with the charging structure, Is that nobody would want the attention of bringing a case of discrimination against them." Then would it not be relatively easy for the clubs to argue that their pricing structure does help what would otherwise be a very unequal mix? At the end of the day, they are commercial ventures and it is in their interests to make it a good environment for all. They do not force single males to visit them. | |||
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"Can I also add, That there is a good chance there are a large number of females as members due to couples membership. It could be hard to argue that women were under represented. One of the swingers clubs I am a member at has roughly 2000 female members since the time it opened its doors some 20 years ago. I know this because a girlfriend and I got our membership at the same time and our membership numbers are consecutive; 20xx and 20xx+1 I also took out a couples membership there with my regular(ish) male companion. Our membership number is 12nnn And the membership for men is in the 30nnn range The ratio is something like 1:6:15 Like I said, I want to shake the hand of the brave soul who will bankroll a swingers club with will charge exactly the same per person The one I go to most often has a far larger couple membership to single men. I'd say the ratio would be nearer 1:3 there. But for easy counting lets put it between the 2 figures. If 25% of the members are female, It would be difficult to argue they are significantly under represnted imho. For the record I agree on the bankrolling statement, and don't have a problem personally being charged what I do. Generally I find a better atmosphere in swinger clubs than the pubs and clubs. But I think the real reason the clubs get away with the charging structure, Is that nobody would want the attention of bringing a case of discrimination against them. Then would it not be relatively easy for the clubs to argue that their pricing structure does help what would otherwise be a very unequal mix? At the end of the day, they are commercial ventures and it is in their interests to make it a good environment for all. They do not force single males to visit them." It is a difficult one as to how a proper discrimination case would view it. To my mind it would be judged on a current situation, ie there is a 25% female membership. It could also then be argued,If they have concerns about under-represented minorities. Why aren't they offering similar to eg disabled people or coloured people etc? As I say if someone was willing to put it before the courts I'm not sure they would judge it the same as the clubs currently do. | |||
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"Why are clubs allowed to charge higher entry fees to men than they charge for women? Is this not a clear cut case of Direct Sex discrimination? It is according to the citizens advice bureau's website. What are your thoughts, I am all for equal rights, but doesn't it work both ways? " For some reason they wouldn't allow me to take my pet dog in | |||
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"Can I also add, That there is a good chance there are a large number of females as members due to couples membership. It could be hard to argue that women were under represented. One of the swingers clubs I am a member at has roughly 2000 female members since the time it opened its doors some 20 years ago. I know this because a girlfriend and I got our membership at the same time and our membership numbers are consecutive; 20xx and 20xx+1 I also took out a couples membership there with my regular(ish) male companion. Our membership number is 12nnn And the membership for men is in the 30nnn range The ratio is something like 1:6:15 Like I said, I want to shake the hand of the brave soul who will bankroll a swingers club with will charge exactly the same per person The one I go to most often has a far larger couple membership to single men. I'd say the ratio would be nearer 1:3 there. But for easy counting lets put it between the 2 figures. If 25% of the members are female, It would be difficult to argue they are significantly under represnted imho. For the record I agree on the bankrolling statement, and don't have a problem personally being charged what I do. Generally I find a better atmosphere in swinger clubs than the pubs and clubs. But I think the real reason the clubs get away with the charging structure, Is that nobody would want the attention of bringing a case of discrimination against them." The only reason I know the membership numbers is because a girlfriend and I registered at the same time (hence I know that the membership numbers are consecutive) and I registered as a couple 4 weeks later (almost within the same time frame). The guy I registered as a couple with had his membership number in the tens of thousands Not everyone turns up at the club at the same time and it is fair to say that the ratios I worked out (using membership numbers) would further reduce the number of females attending where the pricing structure to be altered significantly Not being a club owner I cannot comment any further but if this is a problem for single men, then I thought atleast one would have by now opened a club with a 'fairer' charging policy The fact that this has never happened despite the moans suggests to me that such a club would not last even a month | |||
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