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By *heTwistedKink OP   Couple (FF)
over a year ago

Wirral

Please note our events are currently postponed while we have a break. Two new venues have been sourced and we WILL return when we are ready. M

Thank you for all your messages.

Please note, the event currently advertised as 'the return of FemFest - All Girl Orgy' is not us. It's a club using the name of our party. We are not returning and that event will not be held there but at another location.

Our Femfest All Girl Orgy is a popular and successful event but we pulled our parties from the venue we were using for various reasons. I have contacted the club to ask them to not falsely advertise and mislead.

Any questions regarding the next Femfest, please direct to our profile.

Many thanks

TK

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Yes, that was bad form. I did notice and I knew it wasn't you.

They have the right to run any event they want, but just use a different name.

Hope all is ok with you and yours xx

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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago

Cheshire


"Yes, that was bad form. I did notice and I knew it wasn't you.

They have the right to run any event they want, but just use a different name.

Hope all is ok with you and yours xx"

Very bad form. Especially as we are hoping to continue our parties at a different NW venue.

Of course, by all means, have a girl party. But don't brazenly steal our brand name.

I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Just don't want our friends and party attendees misled. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the phrase fem-fest patented or trademarked then??? sounds a bit pernickity to be honest.

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By *heTwistedKink OP   Couple (FF)
over a year ago

Wirral


"Is the phrase fem-fest patented or trademarked then??? sounds a bit pernickity to be honest."

It's the context in which it's been done. We privately rented a club to host that event. We pulled our events from that club for various reasons and are now using another club. The original club are advertising our event as theirs. I don't feel it's pernickety whatsoever.

I felt it was misleading and was correct due to the amount of messages from our party attendees we've just had regarding the confusion.

And yes, in light of what has just happened, our events are as we speak, being trademarked.

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

looking forward to you being back on the scene. I was aware it wasn't your event, otherwise you'd have started the thread as previously.

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By *lub Rouge ManchesterCouple
over a year ago

manchester


"Please note our events are currently postponed while we have a break. Two new venues have been sourced and we WILL return when we are ready. M

Thank you for all your messages.

Please note, the event currently advertised as 'the return of FemFest - All Girl Orgy' is not us. It's a club using the name of our party. We are not returning and that event will not be held there but at another location.

Our Femfest All Girl Orgy is a popular and successful event but we pulled our parties from the venue we were using for various reasons. I have contacted the club to ask them to not falsely advertise and mislead.

Any questions regarding the next Femfest, please direct to our profile.

Many thanks

TK

"

We have not advertised that you are retuning

We have simply added amours returning event

As you are not the op whom has posted this thread as you always was when advertising events at amour then there is no misleading information or false advertising.

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By *ogiboobooCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ogiboobooCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

This is so petty. It looks to me that (Twisted Kink) is the brand name and the events are named like any other events advertised in all the clubs in the North West)for example Greedy Girls and MILF events. What would it be like if other clubs or event organisers complained in open forum's over the name of an event. I am sure by now your friends and attendees know it is not you holding this event.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"This is so petty. It looks to me that (Twisted Kink) is the brand name and the events are named like any other events advertised in all the clubs in the North West)for example Greedy Girls and MILF events. What would it be like if other clubs or event organisers complained in open forum's over the name of an event. I am sure by now your friends and attendees know it is not you holding this event. "

As with any relationship breakdown, emotions always come into play. That said, this is not exactly the first time that the Club in question has been the subject of questionable threads about relationships with others formerly involved in some way.

It is a shame that dirty laundry does get aired in this way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *heTwistedKink OP   Couple (FF)
over a year ago

Wirral


"

It is a shame that dirty laundry does get aired in this way."

We worked hard to name our parties and promote them. We have moved them to a different venue.

It's not just about a party name and creating a brand but when the advert refers to what has happened at our previous parties and our former guestlist to our private party has been contacted saying the parties are returning when it isn't the case, has been massively misleading.

By no means have I washed any dirty laundry. I've kept all of my experiences and reasons to myself. I am advising what the situation is as many have been confused.

From a 'customer' point of view, I can see why it may seem petty. It's irrelevant to anyone that hasn't attended our parties before. But from the point of view of someone who worked really hard to create something, to then have it mugged off is rather frustrating and disappointing. From the supportive response from other clubs and hosts, they understand how I feel.

I used the forums heavily to discuss my parties and to communicate with my attendees hence me clarifying the situation in the forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading as a total outsider, it doesn't seem petty to me. The OP has been fair in what they've said above. Good luck.

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By *hestercazWoman
over a year ago

Chester

This has been interesting to read as the legalities of advertising, copyright and plagiarism is actually my old field of work.

First of all, I have researched back into the old Amour adverts and the old Twisted Kink adverts and it is clear that the first 'FemFest' All Girl Orgy was on 20th Jan 2015 hosted by Twisted Kink; the advert also says 'first' at Amour.

The words 'All Girl Orgy' cannot be claimed as they have separate meanings in their own right. The word FemFest is actually not a word and was first coined in this venue by Twisted Kink and is theirs to use in the same context and should only be used by somebody else at the that venue with permission. If you tried to go legal with this, you would have a hard job on your hands, BUT as somebody else said earlier, it is very bad form and in business, it is these small details which push the boundaries of professionalism and it's just not done.

Now the other thing which is glaringly obvious is the format of the advert.

The original Twisted Kink adverts used the following format in a 'list':

location

Date

Time

Entry

Females Only

Then the body of the text.

The words All Girl Orgy at Amour were used an the sideline/Event name FEMFEST were used.

The new advert is the same format. It says the 'return of' and for all intents and purposes, could be the same people running the event as the adverts really are VERY similar.

In fact, Amour did not have a FemFest - All Girl Orgy. Twisted Kink did, so they should not use the words 'return of' as this implies that the previous hosts are running the event. If Amour had run the exact same event themselves before TK, then they could say 'return of', but they didn't and the advert by TK on the 20th states 'first'.

Sorry to go on but actually, these situations are not petty at all. When somebody has worked on a brand and somebody uses the success of that brand to recreate something of their own, it is plagiarism and businesses MUST be very careful when treading on this ground. Not only does it stink, but you could end up with a legal case slapped on your doorstep. Like I said, this would be a very difficult case, but any business would want to avoid cases of copyright or plagiarism as it costs. A lot!

I would like put this down to inexperience rather than blatant copying, but actually I think the latter is true. I would suggest you completely rework the wording of your future female events so that you protect yourselves against any costly repercussions.

I don't know either party in this. I have never met either of you and have not been to Amour or a TK event. This is a completely neutral, professional opinion.

Thank you

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By *MFC PartiesWoman
over a year ago

Here, There & Everywhere


"This has been interesting to read as the legalities of advertising, copyright and plagiarism is actually my old field of work.

First of all, I have researched back into the old Amour adverts and the old Twisted Kink adverts and it is clear that the first 'FemFest' All Girl Orgy was on 20th Jan 2015 hosted by Twisted Kink; the advert also says 'first' at Amour.

The words 'All Girl Orgy' cannot be claimed as they have separate meanings in their own right. The word FemFest is actually not a word and was first coined in this venue by Twisted Kink and is theirs to use in the same context and should only be used by somebody else at the that venue with permission. If you tried to go legal with this, you would have a hard job on your hands, BUT as somebody else said earlier, it is very bad form and in business, it is these small details which push the boundaries of professionalism and it's just not done.

Now the other thing which is glaringly obvious is the format of the advert.

The original Twisted Kink adverts used the following format in a 'list':

location

Date

Time

Entry

Females Only

Then the body of the text.

The words All Girl Orgy at Amour were used an the sideline/Event name FEMFEST were used.

The new advert is the same format. It says the 'return of' and for all intents and purposes, could be the same people running the event as the adverts really are VERY similar.

In fact, Amour did not have a FemFest - All Girl Orgy. Twisted Kink did, so they should not use the words 'return of' as this implies that the previous hosts are running the event. If Amour had run the exact same event themselves before TK, then they could say 'return of', but they didn't and the advert by TK on the 20th states 'first'.

Sorry to go on but actually, these situations are not petty at all. When somebody has worked on a brand and somebody uses the success of that brand to recreate something of their own, it is plagiarism and businesses MUST be very careful when treading on this ground. Not only does it stink, but you could end up with a legal case slapped on your doorstep. Like I said, this would be a very difficult case, but any business would want to avoid cases of copyright or plagiarism as it costs. A lot!

I would like put this down to inexperience rather than blatant copying, but actually I think the latter is true. I would suggest you completely rework the wording of your future female events so that you protect yourselves against any costly repercussions.

I don't know either party in this. I have never met either of you and have not been to Amour or a TK event. This is a completely neutral, professional opinion.

Thank you "

- Knowledge is indeed power!!!

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By *MFC PartiesWoman
over a year ago

Here, There & Everywhere


"Is the phrase fem-fest patented or trademarked then??? sounds a bit pernickity to be honest.

It's the context in which it's been done. We privately rented a club to host that event. We pulled our events from that club for various reasons and are now using another club. The original club are advertising our event as theirs. I don't feel it's pernickety whatsoever.

I felt it was misleading and was correct due to the amount of messages from our party attendees we've just had regarding the confusion.

And yes, in light of what has just happened, our events are as we speak, being trademarked. "

When i created the BMFC, the first thing i did was to get the brand trademarked

I didnt take any legal advice - i just felt that it was something i had to do

It was the best £350 that i EVER spent

The whole process took approx 4 months as theres several stages to it, but the company that i used dealt with everything and kept me in the loop at every stage

The TM lasts for 10 years and is then a simple renewing process

Good luck because a brand takes a long time to establish so it needs to be protected

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"

It is a shame that dirty laundry does get aired in this way.

We worked hard to name our parties and promote them. We have moved them to a different venue.

It's not just about a party name and creating a brand but when the advert refers to what has happened at our previous parties and our former guestlist to our private party has been contacted saying the parties are returning when it isn't the case, has been massively misleading.

By no means have I washed any dirty laundry. I've kept all of my experiences and reasons to myself. I am advising what the situation is as many have been confused.

From a 'customer' point of view, I can see why it may seem petty. It's irrelevant to anyone that hasn't attended our parties before. But from the point of view of someone who worked really hard to create something, to then have it mugged off is rather frustrating and disappointing. From the supportive response from other clubs and hosts, they understand how I feel.

I used the forums heavily to discuss my parties and to communicate with my attendees hence me clarifying the situation in the forums.

"

I meant more that the particular Club in question gets its dirty laundry exposed more often than most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is a shame that dirty laundry does get aired in this way.

We worked hard to name our parties and promote them. We have moved them to a different venue.

It's not just about a party name and creating a brand but when the advert refers to what has happened at our previous parties and our former guestlist to our private party has been contacted saying the parties are returning when it isn't the case, has been massively misleading.

By no means have I washed any dirty laundry. I've kept all of my experiences and reasons to myself. I am advising what the situation is as many have been confused.

From a 'customer' point of view, I can see why it may seem petty. It's irrelevant to anyone that hasn't attended our parties before. But from the point of view of someone who worked really hard to create something, to then have it mugged off is rather frustrating and disappointing. From the supportive response from other clubs and hosts, they understand how I feel.

I used the forums heavily to discuss my parties and to communicate with my attendees hence me clarifying the situation in the forums.

"
Onwards and upwards , it only looks unprofessional for one party and it's not you. Happy eventing x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is so petty. It looks to me that (Twisted Kink) is the brand name and the events are named like any other events advertised in all the clubs in the North West)for example Greedy Girls and MILF events. What would it be like if other clubs or event organisers complained in open forum's over the name of an event. I am sure by now your friends and attendees know it is not you holding this event. "

Spot on your last paragraph says it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is so petty. It looks to me that (Twisted Kink) is the brand name and the events are named like any other events advertised in all the clubs in the North West)for example Greedy Girls and MILF events. What would it be like if other clubs or event organisers complained in open forum's over the name of an event. I am sure by now your friends and attendees know it is not you holding this event.

As with any relationship breakdown, emotions always come into play. That said, this is not exactly the first time that the Club in question has been the subject of questionable threads about relationships with others formerly involved in some way.

It is a shame that dirty laundry does get aired in this way."

It does seem increasingly comnon that Amour appear on threads where there is grief and drama.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't trademark Newbie night and we are aware another club in the area has now called one of there nights newbie night and refers to new people as newbies now, people can see right through this kinda thing so I wouldn't let it worry you too much, it is annoying but don't let it rile you up x

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By *MFC PartiesWoman
over a year ago

Here, There & Everywhere


"We can't trademark Newbie night and we are aware another club in the area has now called one of there nights newbie night and refers to new people as newbies now, people can see right through this kinda thing so I wouldn't let it worry you too much, it is annoying but don't let it rile you up x"

You're unable to TM 'newbie night' because there's nothing 'new' about that terminoligy

Indeed it was a 'newbie night' that I went to over 15 years ago that gave me an opportunity to dip my toes into the swinging scene

In fact the club that I went to closed over 7 years ago, so I'm sorry to say that there's evidence that a 'newbie night' isn't a recent invention

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We can't trademark Newbie night and we are aware another club in the area has now called one of there nights newbie night and refers to new people as newbies now, people can see right through this kinda thing so I wouldn't let it worry you too much, it is annoying but don't let it rile you up x

You're unable to TM 'newbie night' because there's nothing 'new' about that terminoligy

Indeed it was a 'newbie night' that I went to over 15 years ago that gave me an opportunity to dip my toes into the swinging scene

In fact the club that I went to closed over 7 years ago, so I'm sorry to say that there's evidence that a 'newbie night' isn't a recent invention "

You are right we are aware of the term newbie night not being a new term, we were making the point that another club didn't ever run a newbie night until ours became succesful, I was just making the point that copying goes on and other clubs will try to ride in the success of certain club nights, how long before someone runs a black guys fan club night in the hope of gaining some of your business x

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By *MFC PartiesWoman
over a year ago

Here, There & Everywhere


"You are right we are aware of the term newbie night not being a new term, we were making the point that another club didn't ever run a newbie night until ours became succesful, I was just making the point that copying goes on and other clubs will try to ride in the success of certain club nights, how long before someone runs a black guys fan club night in the hope of gaining some of your business x"

The scene is saturated with interacial parties (if Black Guys are your thing, you'd know that there's currently about 8 party organisers who have all jumped on the band wagon)

However as I have TM'd the BMFC and BlackMans FanClub, no-one can use that name

Healthy competition is good - there's 365 swinging days in the year

Imitation is the biggest form of flattery and people will always want to copy a successful idea, but if a 'name / brand' is Trade Marked then you have taken measures to protect all of your hard work

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

People are ALWAYS pinching our ideas!!! Yes it is flattering but I do sometimes wish people would come up with their own ideas! lol

The TM process is so easy and worth every penny. If you want to protect your business or idea...do it!

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By *lub Rouge ManchesterCouple
over a year ago

manchester


"People are ALWAYS pinching our ideas!!! Yes it is flattering but I do sometimes wish people would come up with their own ideas! lol

The TM process is so easy and worth every penny. If you want to protect your business or idea...do it! "

We have pinched nobody's ideas

This is rediculous a fem fest is what it is

Like I stated previous no where in our thread have we mentioned that twisted kink is returning at amour as that will never happen

We are not wanting or needing twisted kinks ideas

Nobody knows what went on with them

You've recently had bad press in the forum which you privately messaged us about

was none of our business at amour so we never got involved.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"People are ALWAYS pinching our ideas!!! Yes it is flattering but I do sometimes wish people would come up with their own ideas! lol

The TM process is so easy and worth every penny. If you want to protect your business or idea...do it!

We have pinched nobody's ideas

This is rediculous a fem fest is what it is

Like I stated previous no where in our thread have we mentioned that twisted kink is returning at amour as that will never happen

We are not wanting or needing twisted kinks ideas

Nobody knows what went on with them

You've recently had bad press in the forum which you privately messaged us about

was none of our business at amour so we never got involved.

"

Hey my comment was not directed at you chuck, it was a sweeping statement at people in general who pinch our ideas and it does my head in. Didn't mention you, I was just joining in with discussion. You just took in personally and this recent post has nothing in common with my email to you, so really no need to bring that up. For the record, I have always supported you guys in the past, both publically and privately. I have supported you, I have offered help and have been a friendly ear, when there was a whole lot of stress thrown your way!

I am not the enemy here!

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By *leepyangelCouple
over a year ago

over the hill and far away


"People are ALWAYS pinching our ideas!!! Yes it is flattering but I do sometimes wish people would come up with their own ideas! lol

The TM process is so easy and worth every penny. If you want to protect your business or idea...do it!

We have pinched nobody's ideas

This is rediculous a fem fest is what it is

Like I stated previous no where in our thread have we mentioned that twisted kink is returning at amour as that will never happen

We are not wanting or needing twisted kinks ideas

Nobody knows what went on with them

You've recently had bad press in the forum which you privately messaged us about

was none of our business at amour so we never got involved.

Hey my comment was not directed at you chuck, it was a sweeping statement at people in general who pinch our ideas and it does my head in. Didn't mention you, I was just joining in with discussion. You just took in personally and this recent post has nothing in common with my email to you, so really no need to bring that up. For the record, I have always supported you guys in the past, both publically and privately. I have supported you, I have offered help and have been a friendly ear, when there was a whole lot of stress thrown your way!

I am not the enemy here! "

Dear townhouse twosome

I agree, you do give positive support to all the local clubs

I've read several topics which you have commented on and nothing you say is said in malice x

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