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"So are the couples 25 for them both or the couple?" no couples 25 ie 2 of them | |||
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"It would totally depend on the facilities available." everything u would want in a club | |||
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"I wouldn't pay that much
why wouldnt u?"houses are free, why pay to hang out in a club full of people, 90% of whom you probably wouldn't touch with a bargepole | |||
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"So are the couples 25 for them both or the couple? no couples 25 ie 2 of them" Surely that's not equal pricing then? | |||
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"So are the couples 25 for them both or the couple? no couples 25 ie 2 of them Surely that's not equal pricing then?" its a club where its all one price | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " Thats means i have saved £5 from what i normally pay, so yes i would attend and could afford a extra drink  | |||
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"I wouldn't pay that much
why wouldnt u?"my preferred club is free entry for me and I love it, why would I pay £25 to go somewhere else? What can you offer me that warrants charging me £25 ? | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " you'd still get men complaining why are they being charged twice per head than a couple.... and single women wouldn't go.....
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations you'd still get men complaining why are they being charged twice per head than a couple.... and single women wouldn't go.....
you wouldn't last very long...."why should women get in free or reduced rates though ? | |||
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" why should women get in free or reduced rates though ?" but if you are going for this utopian approach, and everyone else is still offering single women free/5 pounds/10 pound entry whats the selling point for you to say to people "this is why i should come to this club!" when your prices are a lot lot higher.... all that would end up happened is you would see a lot of this "singles coupling up" to go to clubs so they both get in cheaper | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations you'd still get men complaining why are they being charged twice per head than a couple.... and single women wouldn't go.....
you wouldn't last very long....
why should women get in free or reduced rates though ?"I don't think that they should as such but it's clear from all the previous threads based around this subject that if the prices were hiked then they would stop going and it would end up a cock fest. The clubs would close coz eventually the single guys would stop going as there's no women and that would be it. It's not fair but it's the way it is I suppose. | |||
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"the problem with clubs, you see... read so many threads on here, whiney ugly people going "hy can't i git layd" and what advice do they get? go to clubs! go to socials! that says to me that clubs must be... just ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" 
Clubs don't offer shortcuts to succes if you don't possess the required aptitude anyway.
If the £25 guaranteed a cap on a certain demographic as above then yes pricing should always be the same anyway.
You will never make everybody happy in the club world as if this pricing happens then the moaning about calling numbers will start.
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"You wouldn't get many singles as they'd all double up as couples " This!!
They would get in for £25, then split off into singles, so you would get even more single guys on top of the singles that have paid in!
Clubs have tried all different methods over the years and there isn't a perfect answer I'm afraid!
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"Although for the people on the thread that have said they can go to another club for free... What if that club (and all others) started charging the same as single guys?? Would you just stop going at all? " good question hun | |||
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"You wouldn't get many singles as they'd all double up as couples This!!
They would get in for £25, then split off into singles, so you would get even more single guys on top of the singles that have paid in!
Clubs have tried all different methods over the years and there isn't a perfect answer I'm afraid!
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " I would move heaven and earth to attend that club. And I would absolutely pay the £25. The only thing I don't understand, is why couples are getting in half price? | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club " when has it been free to get in? | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations I would move heaven and earth to attend that club. And I would absolutely pay the £25. The only thing I don't understand, is why couples are getting in half price?" as its a fair structure as one price for all unless as couples should be 50  | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations I would move heaven and earth to attend that club. And I would absolutely pay the £25. The only thing I don't understand, is why couples are getting in half price?" i think in all clubs couples go in as one unit, no clubs charges couples per person so if you view a couple as one unit they aren't getting in half price How fair are we being here though do single sex couples get in for £25? | |||
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" as its a fair structure as one price for all unless as couples should be 50 "That sounds more fair to me. 'Equal pricing for all, unless you subscribe to societies ideal, heteronormalative couple - as a reward you get 50% off' How would committed triads fit under your pricing scheme? A couple + a single? | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club when has it been free to get in?" it's been free for a while now, I haven't paid the last few times I've been | |||
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" as its a fair structure as one price for all unless as couples should be 50
That sounds more fair to me.
'Equal pricing for all, unless you subscribe to societies ideal, heteronormalative couple - as a reward you get 50% off'
How would committed triads fit under your pricing scheme? A couple + a single?"true and good points | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club when has it been free to get in? it's been free for a while now, I haven't paid the last few times I've been " for me im looking at 15 quid each way in taxis and drinks so about 40 | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations I would move heaven and earth to attend that club. And I would absolutely pay the £25. The only thing I don't understand, is why couples are getting in half price?" they arent if its equal pricing for all, if you charge a couple 50 then it becomes unequal pricing again, to make it equal you cant charge a couple as 2 singles, which is why you would get the problem of people coupling up til they got inside then seperating. | |||
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"I wouldn't pay that much
why wouldnt u?
houses are free, why pay to hang out in a club full of people, 90% of whom you probably wouldn't touch with a bargepole"Lol,I often think this..i read the reviews,nose at the profiles,and think its just a mingerfest..better off inviting a few select couples around.. | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club " I thought it was £8 to get in to chams for single women? Or is that certain nights? | |||
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"I wouldn't pay that much
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houses are free, why pay to hang out in a club full of people, 90% of whom you probably wouldn't touch with a bargepole
Lol,I often think this..i read the reviews,nose at the profiles,and think its just a mingerfest..better off inviting a few select couples around.."there is someone out there for everybody as they say | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club I thought it was £8 to get in to chams for single women? Or is that certain nights? " it was £8 it's now free, I have no idea if it's a permanent thing or not, I went to pay a few months back and was told it's free now and haven't paid since, I went last Monday and it was still free then | |||
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These people want good clubs but are not prepared to pay the price a club needs to charge in order to provide a quality experience.
In Paris, for example, it's not uncommon to find clubs where single males pay £100, Couples £80 and single females £15 (yes, just 15% of the male price). And guess what, on our visits these clubs have been rammed full with a great mix of couples and singles. Why? because they've invested in premises, decor and staff to make it a special experience.
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that club wouldn't even reach night 2..... | |||
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"so basically we get the point that couples thing they shouldn't pay the same as two singles... single men pay the same as single women... and men think they are overcharged..... is that about it......
that club wouldn't even reach night 2....."this is it i have paid to get in clubs and no issue with it | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club I thought it was £8 to get in to chams for single women? Or is that certain nights? it was £8 it's now free, I have no idea if it's a permanent thing or not, I went to pay a few months back and was told it's free now and haven't paid since, I went last Monday and it was still free then " Maybe I should go more often now lol | |||
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" As for it not fair couples paying same as singles. Well if we booked a taxi to go from a - b. And a single person did the same,same journey, same company etc. Then they would be expected to pay the same. Not twice as much coz there are two of us. End of " I think of it more like if you go to the cinema, you pay for two seats, not for one just because you happen to be going together. Ditto going on holiday, swimming, theatre, on a bus, on a train, to a restaurant, to a gig, to a museum.....in fact pretty much any scenario other than the example you've given. It doesn't bother me; I don't go to clubs. It just strikes me that if all the complaints are about unfairness, this is the most bizarre thing. | |||
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"So the moral of this thread is that there is no right answer here as we all want different things, we are all different in what we are prepared to pay and even when a pretent club says 'ok you all pay the same' people still grumble. So basically as clubs we are f*cked if we do and f*cked if we don't. Just as I thought anyway!!! hahaha "not me your on my list to visit this year | |||
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" as its a fair structure as one price for all unless as couples should be 50
That sounds more fair to me.
'Equal pricing for all, unless you subscribe to societies ideal, heteronormalative couple - as a reward you get 50% off'
How would committed triads fit under your pricing scheme? A couple + a single?"I suspect the number of club going 'committed triads' is relatively (ok - seriously!) small. As for couples pricing? There's always the argument that if there's a bar they'll be paying twice as much as singles for their drinks!
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" as its a fair structure as one price for all unless as couples should be 50
That sounds more fair to me.
'Equal pricing for all, unless you subscribe to societies ideal, heteronormalative couple - as a reward you get 50% off'
How would committed triads fit under your pricing scheme? A couple + a single?
I suspect the number of club going 'committed triads' is relatively (ok - seriously!) small.
As for couples pricing? There's always the argument that if there's a bar they'll be paying twice as much as singles for their drinks!
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" I suspect the number of club going 'committed triads' is relatively (ok - seriously!) small. " I know three or four groups of partners who would go out to clubs if they didn't have so much hassle at the door. When three of us went out to a club about 18 months ago we were treated appallingly on the door. First our male partner was accused of just 'hanging on' so that he could get cheap entry. Then we were told that me and my girlfriend could pay the couple price and he'd have to pay the single man price, but of course he needed to be vetted before entering as a single man so he'd have to wait in the car. It was only when we said 'fine, we'll fuck off home' that they let us in as a single and a couple (which actually, is quite disrespectful to us, we're not a single and a couple, we're a triad) but they watched our male partner like a hawk all night to check that he wasn't just ditching us to fuck other women - which he is (of course) perfectly within his right to do. | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. " trust me i am aware talking to a club where some friends own | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " I'd don't go to clubs that often so i would pay for a good night out ~ but as someone pointed out earlier a lot of people would couple up if not beforehand maybe in the car park outside. | |||
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" I suspect the number of club going 'committed triads' is relatively (ok - seriously!) small. I know three or four groups of partners who would go out to clubs if they didn't have so much hassle at the door. When three of us went out to a club about 18 months ago we were treated appallingly on the door. First our male partner was accused of just 'hanging on' so that he could get cheap entry. Then we were told that me and my girlfrien could pay the couple price and he'd have to pay the single man price, but of course he needed to be vetted before entering as a single man so he'd have to wait in the car. It was only when we said 'fine, we'll fuck off home' that they let us in as a single and a couple (which actually, is quite disrespectful to us, we're not a single and a couple, we're a triad) but they watched our male partner like a hawk all night to check that he wasn't just ditching us to fuck other women - which he is (of course) perfectly within his right to do." this sounds disrespectful imho. maybe clubs should look at accepting things like this into clubs and poly couples too | |||
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"its a hypothetical question the club has all what u expect to have but noone gets in free or reduced rates. just interesting to see reponses" You have no chance of a straight forward hypothetical question being answered by everyone that contributes to a thread in here. You need the brain of a top legal eagle to word the question to anticipate all the "What ifs" and "Yeah buts". | |||
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" I suspect the number of club going 'committed triads' is relatively (ok - seriously!) small. I know three or four groups of partners who would go out to clubs if they didn't have so much hassle at the door. When three of us went out to a club about 18 months ago we were treated appallingly on the door. First our male partner was accused of just 'hanging on' so that he could get cheap entry. Then we were told that me and my girlfrien could pay the couple price and he'd have to pay the single man price, but of course he needed to be vetted before entering as a single man so he'd have to wait in the car. It was only when we said 'fine, we'll fuck off home' that they let us in as a single and a couple (which actually, is quite disrespectful to us, we're not a single and a couple, we're a triad) but they watched our male partner like a hawk all night to check that he wasn't just ditching us to fuck other women - which he is (of course) perfectly within his right to do. this sounds disrespectful imho. maybe clubs should look at accepting things like this into clubs and poly couples too" Disrespectful yes - but I'll stick by my stance that triads and poly couples will represent a tiny percentage of club goers. Did you contact the club in advance to query what their stance would be? I doubt any self respecting club owner would be unwilling to discuss options in advance - and I'm also sure (no - aware) that where there's no membership requirements people couple up all the time just to get reduced entry rates. So announcing at the door that there's three of you in a relationship would be open to question by door staff/owners, who will potentially have had many makeshift couples present themselves at one time or another. I'm not advocating presenting marriage certs, proof of addresses every time you rock up at a club door - but it's not unreasonable to expect the odd question now and then. A | |||
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I have exerted myself enough on this topic in another thread, but I like this approach (i.e. start from what might realistically be considered the ideal i.e. equal pricing, and see if people feel the club could be made to work without changing the pricing structure.)
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. " Our electric bill is £550 per month alone!!!! Bloody hot tub and sauna have a LOT to answer for!!! lol | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. trust me i am aware talking to a club where some friends own" It's still a ridiculous argument. Not every club is the same size, not every council has the same rules. And having a friend who you talk to who owns a club really doesn't give you an accurate insight. I have a friend who is a solicitor, that doesn't give me the knowledge of law | |||
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" Did you contact the club in advance to query what their stance would be? I doubt any self respecting club owner would be unwilling to discuss options in advance - and I'm also sure (no - aware) that where there's no membership requirements people couple up all the time just to get reduced entry rates. So announcing at the door that there's three of you in a relationship would be open to question by door staff/owners, who will potentially have had many makeshift couples present themselves at one time or another. I'm not advocating presenting marriage certs, proof of addresses every time you rock up at a club door - but it's not unreasonable to expect the odd question now and then. A" No, we just assumed that any swingers club would be enlightened as to do the possibilities with open style relationships - since that's essentially what swinging is. We were happy to pretty much pay whatever they asked. We weren't happy that they kicked up a stink about our relationship status when they weren't questioning ANYONE else. We'd assumed we'd be charged for three people in some variation. What we cannot prove is any legal status of relationship, because none of us are married - to each other or anyone else - and we don't live together (like lots of couples). But nor could anyone else on the door that night. We'd have paid whatever they asked for - single male and two women, whatever - but they just seemed so unaware that swingers exist who aren't just married couples or singles. Christ know's what would have happened if we'd told them he was bisexual and was hoping to fuck a man too... might have blown their tiny little brains. | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. trust me i am aware talking to a club where some friends own It's still a ridiculous argument. Not every club is the same size, not every council has the same rules. And having a friend who you talk to who owns a club really doesn't give you an accurate insight. I have a friend who is a solicitor, that doesn't give me the knowledge of law " no I get that. Why can't the question of it all one fee be not asked? | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. Our electric bill is £550 per month alone!!!! Bloody hot tub and sauna have a LOT to answer for!!! lol " We don't have a wet area so again this proves we don't have the same costings lol. I wish we could run a hypothetical club and also live a hypothetical life. | |||
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" We don't have a wet area so again this proves we don't have the same costings lol. I wish we could run a hypothetical club and also live a hypothetical life. " Costings of electricity have nothing to do with a question that is asking if people would pay the same entry price as a single man. | |||
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" We don't have a wet area so again this proves we don't have the same costings lol. I wish we could run a hypothetical club and also live a hypothetical life. Costings of electricity have nothing to do with a question that is asking if people would pay the same entry price as a single man." thank you. You get what im trying to say | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. Our electric bill is £550 per month alone!!!! Bloody hot tub and sauna have a LOT to answer for!!! lol We don't have a wet area so again this proves we don't have the same costings lol. I wish we could run a hypothetical club and also live a hypothetical life. " ewww...how hypothetically boring would that be though?! lol I'd much rather have the real life of 80+ hour weeks, picking up other peoples used condoms off the floor, washing cum soaked sheets and ass wiped towels, turning away plebs that think we are a brothal, feeling stressed to the eyeballs and all with very little thanks, wouldn't you???? lol I wouldn't change a thing! hehe xx | |||
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"I started reading this thread in the vein of "wouldn't it be nice if there was equality across all clubs for all who attend" Personally I think it would be a reasonable starting point With the flat rate up for discussion and the assumption there would be limits on singles etc. I finished on - you can't please all of the people all of the time - you're lucky if you can please some of the people some of the time. "Yup!  | |||
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"Being honest and realistic probably not, I have chameleons about 2 mile down the road from me it's £6 each way in a taxi, free to get in and even if I spend a tenner on drink that's £22 for the night, so it's unlikely I'd pay £25 just to get into a club when has it been free to get in? it's been free for a while now, I haven't paid the last few times I've been " since new year'ish x | |||
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" We don't have a wet area so again this proves we don't have the same costings lol. I wish we could run a hypothetical club and also live a hypothetical life. Costings of electricity have nothing to do with a question that is asking if people would pay the same entry price as a single man." It has everything to do with keeping a business afloat. | |||
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"Could you give me your costings for your hypothetical club then I'd answer as a customer and not a club owner. What would be your initial investment. Ie purchasing of equipment, themed play rooms. Decent bar. How much do you spend on stock per week. Toiletries, cleaning products. Staff? Then calculate your outgoings. Gas, electric, rent. Business rates. Would you pay yourself a wage. How many people do you expect to attend in any one night. Swinging isn't a free for all and the phrase was coined to describe COUPLES who swing. Unfortunately your argument isn't a black and white as you'd like. " Just out of curiosity nothing else, what’s percentage of your month’s takings come from single men frequenting your establishment. Is it quite low? | |||
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houses are free, why pay to hang out in a club full of people, 90% of whom you probably wouldn't touch with a bargepole"Well here is another cpl who are up their own arse | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations I would move heaven and earth to attend that club. And I would absolutely pay the £25. The only thing I don't understand, is why couples are getting in half price?" I have never understood that either. It seems quite unfair and there arw ways to reduce the numbers of singles other than charging high entry fees. | |||
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" Don't think many single women would go or they go as part of a cpl with strangers x " i think that is exactly what this club would inadvertly do.... promote people going together to clubs as strangers... which is really sad after all the time we have been trying to promote single women going to clubs and telling them they don't need "chaperones" | |||
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" Don't think many single women would go or they go as part of a cpl with strangers x i think that is exactly what this club would inadvertly do.... promote people going together to clubs as strangers... which is really sad after all the time we have been trying to promote single women going to clubs and telling them they don't need "chaperones" " While that might be the case for some, actually I think it would hopefully promote an atmosphere without any entitlement. That in turn would potentially make it a more pleasant environment for single women in the long run. | |||
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"Could you imagine if all black people in South Africa had just 'not got the bus' because they didn't like the way that they were segregated?" I like it! | |||
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"Personally Id rather pay £10 to get into a good rock club!" I used to pay to go to clubs like cream. Mos bakers gatecrasher still do to gc. u pay what you feel happy paying for | |||
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"Dead simple if you don't agree with entrance fee don't go simple This does - on the face of it - seem like a simple solution to the problem. However I do feel like gender equality is quite an important issue - and I'm sure many other people feel the same way. Could you imagine if all black people in South Africa had just 'not got the bus' because they didn't like the way that they were segregated?" you really want to go down that route..... really 
okay then.... lets flip it.... lets say the pricing at the moment is there to actively encourage people who wouldn't go otherwise....
you need to ask couples and single women where they would go more often... because men are going to follow where they go!!!
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" Don't think many single women would go or they go as part of a cpl with strangers x i think that is exactly what this club would inadvertly do.... promote people going together to clubs as strangers... which is really sad after all the time we have been trying to promote single women going to clubs and telling them they don't need "chaperones" Never needed a chaperone " never had the incentive to do it either.... but your idea does | |||
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okay then.... lets flip it.... lets say the pricing at the moment is there to actively encourage people who wouldn't go otherwise....
you need to ask couples and single women where they would go more often... because men are going to follow where they go!!!
open up another thread with lets say their pricing at the moment against your utopian pricing of doing it per head..... and see which wins..."Sorry, I'm not really sure what you're saying. I'm saying that if we changed culture - over a long period of time potentially - then clubs may well become more welcoming to single women. However that still treats single women as the 'prize' for both men and couples, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either. I don't have a solution. But I don't think the situation at the moment is right. | |||
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"Its just a question on equal pricing. Nothing more.. " understand this but the issue of pricing at clubs always causes issues, not one way of solving the problem | |||
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"Ok so we charge cpls double because they are 2 £50 Single men £25 Single woman £25 I think you would find lots of clubs full of single men, and deff no single woman and very few cpl, now I have come across these clubs before now what were they called ah yes CIU clubs" but apparently it would be single women feel better according to some.... oooh yeah that sense of equality!!!! should i start singing "we shall overcome" now........ | |||
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okay then.... lets flip it.... lets say the pricing at the moment is there to actively encourage people who wouldn't go otherwise....
you need to ask couples and single women where they would go more often... because men are going to follow where they go!!!
open up another thread with lets say their pricing at the moment against your utopian pricing of doing it per head..... and see which wins..."If you recall _abio, Dave and I did a lot of market research on pricing before the building work was even completed and we asked about single female entry prices. We posed the question in here and I was shot down in flames for even suggesting daring to charge the same as a single male. My personal opinion hasnt changed on that, however from a business point of view I had to go with the majority and I have to stand by that. It's seems to be a highly emotive subject at the moment so I'm not commenting further lol it is what it is and will remain that way | |||
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" I'm saying that if we changed culture - over a long period of time potentially - then clubs may well become more welcoming to single women. However that still treats single women as the 'prize' for both men and couples, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either. I don't have a solution. But I don't think the situation at the moment is right." and if you think that clubs will suddenly become more welcoming to single women because of a hike in single women prices... I don't think you understand clubs.... you are using the price as some sort of negative enpowerment device as it is now... and that would change under equality.... I say thats poppycock!! the onus should be on the clubs themselves to be more welcoming.... the thing the people who go to clubs know is they then to be social places first.. and then if anything else happens it happens... some feel like nightclubs... some feel more like pubs.... if people go in with the prize attitude that you claim... they are people you'd probably want to play with in the first place.... that attitude comes across very quickly in clubs... same as the entitlement attitude in both single men and couples... | |||
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" I'm saying that if we changed culture - over a long period of time potentially - then clubs may well become more welcoming to single women. However that still treats single women as the 'prize' for both men and couples, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either. I don't have a solution. But I don't think the situation at the moment is right. and if you think that clubs will suddenly become more welcoming to single women because of a hike in single women prices... I don't think you understand clubs.... " No, which is exactly why I included the phrase 'over a long period of time'. Which is pretty much the opposite of 'suddenly'. | |||
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"It would totally depend on the facilities available. everything u would want in a club" Ok since it is an utopian question then I guess it must have utopian conditions. Which means... If you dream of tall dark and handsome man who knows how to play you right - he WILL BE in there waiting for you. if you're into shackles, whips and humiliation - you will run the gauntlets between the aisles of whips and slaps... or be the dominatrix for the most submissive dude with the cutest butt u've ever seen... or if you're into messy fetish u will dine off the body of your perfect playmate on that night. etc etc. So if the club can (by magic) bring in the PERFECT crowd just for each of you ladies... would you still think 25£ is overpriced? | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " Damn, these clubs up North are expensive for women
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"Good thread
I have exerted myself enough on this topic in another thread, but I like this approach (i.e. start from what might realistically be considered the ideal i.e. equal pricing, and see if people feel the club could be made to work without changing the pricing structure.)
Interested to see how this discussion goes "whats this, single club going men not agreeing with your opinion lol, the fact of the matter is clubs have worked the way they do for years, they arent breaking any laws, they arent discriminating, it just works, and we as people have a choice, if we want what they offer we can go, if we dont then we dont go, it really is as simple as that. | |||
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"So are the couples 25 for them both or the couple? no couples 25 ie 2 of them Surely that's not equal pricing then? its a club where its all one price So, I suppose the couple could be FF or MM ? That would make it equal! " | |||
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" they arent discriminating, They are discriminating though: "prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex." Some people would like their hobby/lifestyle to *not* exhibit that kind of behaviour." they arent, its simply a concession, they arent charging men more, they are reducing the price for women because they are under represented, it is not discrimination, and of course no one is forcing anyone to go in the club, everyone has the choice to go or not. | |||
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"Look ...lets be realistic. There are always a surplus of blokes and not enough women. Theref a club has to discount the cost to women to try to rebalance otherwise the women would not attend. No women. ...no fun. " I am not sure that *cost* is the reason that there are less single women. Perhaps there are less single women because they're often treated poorly so they're not always nice places to be? | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations you'd still get men complaining why are they being charged twice per head than a couple.... and single women wouldn't go.....
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why should women get in free or reduced rates though ?"Not read the whole thread, but the issue is supply and demand. If there was an over supply of females attending clubs then the price would reflect this. But clubs have no issues getting men through the doors, so they can charge them more. | |||
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" I am not sure that *cost* is the reason that there are less single women. Perhaps there are less single women because they're often treated poorly so they're not always nice places to be?" See this is where you don't make sense because if as you say cost isn't the reason single women don't go then raising the price is still not going to be helpful, you are then actually putting up another barrier You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about how single women are treated in clubs, but other than you I don't think I haven't heard of other women complaining in other clubs in other parts of the country | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations " But it's not equal pricing! Couples are paying £12.50 per person! I've been to events at the Unit in Blackpool. They charge a tenner per person. I really hope they go from strength to strength - thus proving conclusively to other clubs and swingers that the 2 tier system of charging is neither fair nor necessary! In all honesty though, unless the club or event were something really special, I very much doubt i'd pay more than £15 to attend a club! If clubs charge ladies and couples a lot more than they currently do for admission, they'd simply host/go to more private parties, so sadly the clubs would just be full of single men!! Xx | |||
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"This has come from the pricing thread about clubs. swingers club opening up (this is made up) men £25 ladies £25 Couples £25 everyone treated the same, one price one venue would you attend or would you have reservations But it's not equal pricing! Couples are paying £12.50 per person! I've been to events at the Unit in Blackpool. They charge a tenner per person. I really hope they go from strength to strength - thus proving conclusively to other clubs and swingers that the 2 tier system of charging is neither fair nor necessary! In all honesty though, unless the club or event were something really special, I very much doubt i'd pay more than £15 to attend a club! If clubs charge ladies and couples a lot more than they currently do for admission, they'd simply host/go to more private parties, so sadly the clubs would just be full of single men!! Xx"no they arent they are paying 25 a couple, in order for it to be equal pricing all genders must be charged the same, so thats males, females, couples, tvs/ts etc all pay 25, and that goes for same sex couples aswell, if you then go and charge couples 50 (because theres 2) and charge them as 2 singles then you are making it unequal again, if its a hypothetical all equal pricing then it has to be the same for all, unless of course like in your example they change it to per head, but lets not forget theres a reason swingers clubs have worked perfectly well the way they do things now for a long time, doesnt need changing to suit a minority, that sounds harsh I no but its the way it is. | |||
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no they arent they are paying 25 a couple, in order for it to be equal pricing all genders must be charged the same, so thats males, females, couples, tvs/ts etc all pay 25, and that goes for same sex couples aswell, if you then go and charge couples 50 (because theres 2) and charge them as 2 singles then you are making it unequal again, if its a hypothetical all equal pricing then it has to be the same for all, unless of course like in your example they change it to per head, but lets not forget theres a reason swingers clubs have worked perfectly well the way they do things now for a long time, doesnt need changing to suit a minority, that sounds harsh I no but its the way it is."I know how it is guys - I am a freat fan of clubs and love the social side - so attend regularly. All I was saying is that the op's new 'fair' pricing system still isn't fair - as I, on one income, would be paying the same amount as a couple who are likely to be on two incomes - therefore it isn't fair. Let's face it, if you abd your partner went into a nightclub, there's no way you could argue that you should only pay one entrance fee because you're a couple, is there? Similarly everywhere else - you're two people so you pay admission for two people, so if we're having 'fair' pricing - why should a swingers club be any different? Xx | |||
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no they arent they are paying 25 a couple, in order for it to be equal pricing all genders must be charged the same, so thats males, females, couples, tvs/ts etc all pay 25, and that goes for same sex couples aswell, if you then go and charge couples 50 (because theres 2) and charge them as 2 singles then you are making it unequal again, if its a hypothetical all equal pricing then it has to be the same for all, unless of course like in your example they change it to per head, but lets not forget theres a reason swingers clubs have worked perfectly well the way they do things now for a long time, doesnt need changing to suit a minority, that sounds harsh I no but its the way it is.
I know how it is guys - I am a freat fan of clubs and love the social side - so attend regularly. All I was saying is that the op's new 'fair' pricing system still isn't fair - as I, on one income, would be paying the same amount as a couple who are likely to be on two incomes - therefore it isn't fair. Let's face it, if you abd your partner went into a nightclub, there's no way you could argue that you should only pay one entrance fee because you're a couple, is there? Similarly everywhere else - you're two people so you pay admission for two people, so if we're having 'fair' pricing - why should a swingers club be any different? Xx"ok, none of these are private member clubs, which is a big big difference, also a nightclub doesnt have gender orientated nights, ie, couples only, singles night, mixed etc, which is where the groups come from in difference to your nightclub, so your nightclub advertises a price to get in simple enough, swingers clubs have a way that works, so they advertise there pricing, but if its to be made equal entry to the swingers club then it has to be equal for all those groups unless they advertise it as an entry per person rather than per gender. | |||
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"I feel that all of this is missing the point. The point is, you WANT to encourage couples and single females to the club. Try are the bread and butter of a club's clientele. A club that can get a load of couples and single females in will be far more successful, hence why they get a lower rate. This is also why most clubs have maximum numbers of single guys and charge more (and with some, make them attend an "interview" first), because they want to ensure that the single guys who are there are decent and respectful. Nothing will kill a club faster than having hoards of single guys pile in who thinks it's an all-holes-open fuck-fest. Sorry, but that's just how it is. " YES! | |||
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"Seeing as "swinging" is something for couples, by couples then this is a little like having your cake, eating it AND getting someone else to pay for it, the coffee and another slice in a doggy bag.... Couples want and need single guys Couples want and need single women Couples however means TWO. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the way the pricing structures are from what I've seen on here - (certainly the most vociferous against it changing are the couples in here) - as a couple why should the singles subsidise them? Perhaps an idea would be to charge 1 + 50%? After all there are TWO of you, without the singles (male and female) you aren't getting the fun that swinging brings." we are not against it changing, its just simply that it works fine now, and has done for quite some time, so theres no need to change it, also as it is we dont pay half of that a single guy does, we pay a concessionary amount compared to the full price because our gender is under represented. | |||
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" Couples want and need single guys ... After all there are TWO of you, without the singles (male and female) you aren't getting the fun that swinging brings." Really? There are plenty of well attended couples only nights all over the country. We know many couples that won't entertain single guys under any circumstances - they want to play with other couples. Try getting in to many continental clubs as a single guy on any night. This thread, like the other one on pricing, is full of comments by people who rarely if ever attend clubs. If single men want equal pricing then a gay sauna gives just that, although you will probably find many that give a student discount to attract young men, just as swingers clubs give female and couples discounts. If you want a club that you can actually attend because it's still open and also has females attending then leave the pricing structure to the owners and vote with your feet if the price is too dear. There are clubs in this country that we wouldn't go to because we think they are too pricey but I doubt we have been missed. We have never seen a shortage of men in any club on a mixed night - the clubs must be doing something right. | |||
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" Couples want and need single guys ... After all there are TWO of you, without the singles (male and female) you aren't getting the fun that swinging brings. Really? There are plenty of well attended couples only nights all over the country. We know many couples that won't entertain single guys under any circumstances - they want to play with other couples. Try getting in to many continental clubs as a single guy on any night. This thread, like the other one on pricing, is full of comments by people who rarely if ever attend clubs. If single men want equal pricing then a gay sauna gives just that, although you will probably find many that give a student discount to attract young men, just as swingers clubs give female and couples discounts. If you want a club that you can actually attend because it's still open and also has females attending then leave the pricing structure to the owners and vote with your feet if the price is too dear. There are clubs in this country that we wouldn't go to because we think they are too pricey but I doubt we have been missed. We have never seen a shortage of men in any club on a mixed night - the clubs must be doing something right. " I like the way you "conveniently" only cut and paste the part about "Couple's want and need single guys....." As a single guy on here virtually ALL of the attention and messages are coming from couples so make of that what you will. Traditionally - swinging was seen as "car keys in the fruit bowl" however we all know that not to be the case nowadays. | |||
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"I like the way you "conveniently" only cut and paste the part about "Couple's want and need single guys....." As a single guy on here virtually ALL of the attention and messages are coming from couples so make of that what you will. Traditionally - swinging was seen as "car keys in the fruit bowl" however we all know that not to be the case nowadays." I cut out everything from your post except the bit I wanted to comment on - it saves bandwidth and a lot of scrolling. You were posting about clubs, what interest you get from couples on Fabswingers has no bearing on what happens in clubs. If I was getting so much attention on Fab I would stick with what was working. We've been on the club scene for 15 years, we've been to over 40 different clubs here and abroad, we probably average a club visit once a week. We've seen clubs come and go. The ones that got their pricing, demographic or ambience wrong have closed. If single guys want to go to a successful club that has couples and single females that are interested in single guys then let the club owners run their business and adopt the pricing structure that works for them. If it's too dear, vote with your feet. We aren't interested in what other people pay, whether it's more or less than us - we are interested whether we can afford it and whether we think it's value for money. | |||
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"I feel that all of this is missing the point. The point is, you WANT to encourage couples and single females to the club. Try are the bread and butter of a club's clientele. A club that can get a load of couples and single females in will be far more successful, hence why they get a lower rate. This is also why most clubs have maximum numbers of single guys and charge more (and with some, make them attend an "interview" first), because they want to ensure that the single guys who are there are decent and respectful. Nothing will kill a club faster than having hoards of single guys pile in who thinks it's an all-holes-open fuck-fest. Sorry, but that's just how it is. YES! "I agree that you want to encourage couples and females / regulate the number of single males. I'm just not convinced that this can only be done with price alone. I don't think a sexual environment where single guys are paying and single women aren't is a great starting point if it's a liberated, sexually-equal environment you're trying to create. Clubs are experimenting with this it seems, and some are at least running some nights where pricing is more equal, I'd like to think restricting numbers, reducing single male prices after e.g. 10 visits, options to pre-register online or in person on another night that the club is open, advertising/marketing/interviews could all be used to ensure the right number and attitude from single men. The OP has created a thread proposing what most could consider an ideological starting point, and the most constructive thing for people to do would offer suggestions of how that ideal could be obtained so that the experience of attending swingers' clubs could be optimised for all. | |||
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"I feel that all of this is missing the point. The point is, you WANT to encourage couples and single females to the club. Try are the bread and butter of a club's clientele. A club that can get a load of couples and single females in will be far more successful, hence why they get a lower rate. This is also why most clubs have maximum numbers of single guys and charge more (and with some, make them attend an "interview" first), because they want to ensure that the single guys who are there are decent and respectful. Nothing will kill a club faster than having hoards of single guys pile in who thinks it's an all-holes-open fuck-fest. Sorry, but that's just how it is. YES!
I agree that you want to encourage couples and females / regulate the number of single males. I'm just not convinced that this can only be done with price alone. I don't think a sexual environment where single guys are paying and single women aren't is a great starting point if it's a liberated, sexually-equal environment you're trying to create. Clubs are experimenting with this it seems, and some are at least running some nights where pricing is more equal, I'd like to think restricting numbers, reducing single male prices after e.g. 10 visits, options to pre-register online or in person on another night that the club is open, advertising/marketing/interviews could all be used to ensure the right number and attitude from single men.
The OP has created a thread proposing what most could consider an ideological starting point, and the most constructive thing for people to do would offer suggestions of how that ideal could be obtained so that the experience of attending swingers' clubs could be optimised for all."but for the club as a business and as in a good night its worked the way it is for umpteen years so why does it need to change, because a minority of threads pop up every now and then. | |||
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"but for the club as a business and as in a good night its worked the way it is for umpteen years so why does it need to change, because a minority of threads pop up every now and then. Because: just because something works doesn't mean it can't work better some clubs are struggling i'm not suggesting clubs don't need to make the numbers work financially guys paying, girls not paying, and sex taking place isn't ideal, certainly for me (and there are females in this thread who agree i believe) it's easy to ignore a minority when you're in the majority for whom the current system is beneficial" So what would you say about the females who have said to me that they should be free on our MILF Monday and GG days as the event wouldn't run without them? One of the girls has actually commented on this thread but hasn't admitted that she is one of the ones who asked me for a free entry. On this particular event where I was asked by this lady, there were 18 girls in attendance (not including couples) and 8 of them all said they should be free entries. That's a high proportion of ladies who don't agree with same pricing for all, but are probably too afraid to say so now after all of the vehement discussion over the last couple of days. It seems that some ladies think they are a rare commodity and think they are 'worth' a free entry. | |||
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"but for the club as a business and as in a good night its worked the way it is for umpteen years so why does it need to change, because a minority of threads pop up every now and then. Because: just because something works doesn't mean it can't work better some clubs are struggling i'm not suggesting clubs don't need to make the numbers work financially guys paying, girls not paying, and sex taking place isn't ideal, certainly for me (and there are females in this thread who agree i believe) it's easy to ignore a minority when you're in the majority for whom the current system is beneficial So what would you say about the females who have said to me that they should be free on our MILF Monday and GG days as the event wouldn't run without them? One of the girls has actually commented on this thread but hasn't admitted that she is one of the ones who asked me for a free entry. On this particular event where I was asked by this lady, there were 18 girls in attendance (not including couples) and 8 of them all said they should be free entries. That's a high proportion of ladies who don't agree with same pricing for all, but are probably too afraid to say so now after all of the vehement discussion over the last couple of days. It seems that some ladies think they are a rare commodity and think they are 'worth' a free entry. " Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. People feel differently about different things. It's up to the clubs to decide if they would reach a new kind of clientele by changing things up. | |||
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" but for the club as a business and as in a good night its worked the way it is for umpteen years so why does it need to change, because a minority of threads pop up every now and then. Why does anything change? How do societies move forward and progress? Why bother? Why not live in caves not houses? Why should women have the vote? Why should we let black people have paid work? Things change because some people want them to change. It's ok to not want things to change, but 'it's always been like this and it's fine' isn't really a counter to the equality arguments being put forward." So next time you go to a club I hope you put your money where your principles seem to lay, I hope you the say they following: " I/we/my triad feel that since we feel there should be equality in pricing, I/we feel that we should in solidarity pay the same price as single men... So each of us will pay the single male price please" I don't think any club would stand in your way | |||
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" To give you a more practical answer: clubs generally open on more than one night, so there's scope for giving women a cheap or free ride on one night if the market so demands, and maybe on another night at least playing fair with the single guys with regard to price." But a lot of clubs already do this where it is not on different nights women are charged differently, so are men and couples!!! I go on a night where it's more expensive to go than if I wen on another night and I do that because it's mo socialable and that's fine because that is a decision I made | |||
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" So what would you say about the females who have said to me that they should be free on our MILF Monday and GG days as the event wouldn't run without them? One of the girls has actually commented on this thread but hasn't admitted that she is one of the ones who asked me for a free entry. On this particular event where I was asked by this lady, there were 18 girls in attendance (not including couples) and 8 of them all said they should be free entries. That's a high proportion of ladies who don't agree with same pricing for all, but are probably too afraid to say so now after all of the vehement discussion over the last couple of days. It seems that some ladies think they are a rare commodity and think they are 'worth' a free entry. I find it a little odd that as a single guy discussing these issues via a public forum I get told if 'if you don't like the prices, tough shit', but it's apparently ok for some women to turn up to your venue and tell you in person that they should be able to use your facilities for nothing. Are you providing them with a service or are they providing you with a service? Or is it a mutually beneficial arrangement you want to have with them? Sex requires guys too. In fact greedy girls is about having loads of guys in proportion to women, so if we're applying supply-and-demand arguments the guys should be getting a fairly cheap deal. I don't think I've been vehement at any point, but I agree others have chosen aggression/sarcasm over reason and logic. To give you a more practical answer: clubs generally open on more than one night, so there's scope for giving women a cheap or free ride on one night if the market so demands, and maybe on another night at least playing fair with the single guys with regard to price." If you read my other post above, I actually said that I declined the request for free entries for ladies, so whether you or anyone asks me in person or online, I will answer accordingly... so need to get aggressive, just read my comments properly please. Now I have never once said to you or anyone else on these threads 'tough shit', in fact, as one of the few clubs actually sticking their neck out here, I have offered balanced answers along with our efforts to make our club a fairer and safer environment. As for providing a service, it is we who are opening our doors and providing a safe environment for people to come and enjoy a liberated lifestyle. We actually only have 2 regular swinging nights per week now, the rest of the nights are fetish, Tgirls, life drawing, same sex nights, niche fetish nights etc...so our venue is much more than a swinging venue. Nobody is providing a service for us...quite the contrary as one of the most diverse clubs out there, hence why everybody pays! You say that greedy girls require lots of guys so they should be getting a fairly cheap deal...yes I agree, hence why ladies AND gents pay £10 at this event! You haven't read my comments properly at all. Instead you have treated me as an 'attack' when you know that I have actually PM'd you in support of getting this discussion going. | |||
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"£25 is a little out of my budget, There are clubs i attend though with a standard price some nights. Jaydees on a Tuesday is £5 a head, op4f one Thurs a month is £10 a head, red velvet at the The Vanilla Alternative is £15 a head. I think that is the max I can stretch too though as there is other bits to pay for too... Transport, drinks etc. " I don't think any of this is necessarily about what you or anyone else can afford - it's about the fact that its massively in favour of the couples. Take Jaydees - £10 for females, £20 for couples (2x£10 seems fair), £30 for guys. Given that single guys are restricted on numbers so it isn't a cock fest they are still expected to pay 50% MORE than a couple - those couples that are looking for the guys they expect to attend so they can have fun with. Bring that to perhaps - £15 for females, £20 for guys and £25 for couples all of a sudden you have a much fairer pricing structure that STILL brings in similar revenue without raping the very people you want/need for you to have fun with. I still go back to my original comment about cake, eating it, getting a doggy bag with an extra slice and someone else paying for it all..... Is it just me thats noticed the most vehement protesters against any change are the very couples who benefit most from no change...... | |||
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" If you read my other post above, I actually said that I declined the request for free entries for ladies, so whether you or anyone asks me in person or online, I will answer accordingly... so need to get aggressive, just read my comments properly please. Now I have never once said to you or anyone else on these threads 'tough shit', in fact, as one of the few clubs actually sticking their neck out here, I have offered balanced answers along with our efforts to make our club a fairer and safer environment. As for providing a service, it is we who are opening our doors and providing a safe environment for people to come and enjoy a liberated lifestyle. We actually only have 2 regular swinging nights per week now, the rest of the nights are fetish, Tgirls, life drawing, same sex nights, niche fetish nights etc...so our venue is much more than a swinging venue. Nobody is providing a service for us...quite the contrary as one of the most diverse clubs out there, hence why everybody pays! You say that greedy girls require lots of guys so they should be getting a fairly cheap deal...yes I agree, hence why ladies AND gents pay £10 at this event! You haven't read my comments properly at all. Instead you have treated me as an 'attack' when you know that I have actually PM'd you in support of getting this discussion going. " You guys have been honest and open about things in this thread and I applaud it. Having the diversity you do obviously shows that pricing is important. Your greedy girls and balanced, I'm guessing your "other" evenings are balanced too as several other posters have mentioned the Alt guys simply won't stand for it. So why do Swingers? | |||
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" So what would you say about the females who have said to me that they should be free on our MILF Monday and GG days as the event wouldn't run without them? One of the girls has actually commented on this thread but hasn't admitted that she is one of the ones who asked me for a free entry. On this particular event where I was asked by this lady, there were 18 girls in attendance (not including couples) and 8 of them all said they should be free entries. That's a high proportion of ladies who don't agree with same pricing for all, but are probably too afraid to say so now after all of the vehement discussion over the last couple of days. It seems that some ladies think they are a rare commodity and think they are 'worth' a free entry. I find it a little odd that as a single guy discussing these issues via a public forum I get told if 'if you don't like the prices, tough shit', but it's apparently ok for some women to turn up to your venue and tell you in person that they should be able to use your facilities for nothing. Are you providing them with a service or are they providing you with a service? Or is it a mutually beneficial arrangement you want to have with them? Sex requires guys too. In fact greedy girls is about having loads of guys in proportion to women, so if we're applying supply-and-demand arguments the guys should be getting a fairly cheap deal. I don't think I've been vehement at any point, but I agree others have chosen aggression/sarcasm over reason and logic. To give you a more practical answer: clubs generally open on more than one night, so there's scope for giving women a cheap or free ride on one night if the market so demands, and maybe on another night at least playing fair with the single guys with regard to price. If you read my other post above, I actually said that I declined the request for free entries for ladies, so whether you or anyone asks me in person or online, I will answer accordingly... so need to get aggressive, just read my comments properly please. Now I have never once said to you or anyone else on these threads 'tough shit', in fact, as one of the few clubs actually sticking their neck out here, I have offered balanced answers along with our efforts to make our club a fairer and safer environment. As for providing a service, it is we who are opening our doors and providing a safe environment for people to come and enjoy a liberated lifestyle. We actually only have 2 regular swinging nights per week now, the rest of the nights are fetish, Tgirls, life drawing, same sex nights, niche fetish nights etc...so our venue is much more than a swinging venue. Nobody is providing a service for us...quite the contrary as one of the most diverse clubs out there, hence why everybody pays! You say that greedy girls require lots of guys so they should be getting a fairly cheap deal...yes I agree, hence why ladies AND gents pay £10 at this event! You haven't read my comments properly at all. Instead you have treated me as an 'attack' when you know that I have actually PM'd you in support of getting this discussion going. " I think you've seen my post as an attack actually! I never said you've told me 'tough shit', or that you've been aggressive. I was making the point that there seems to be double standards with the former, and I was referring to your 'vehement discussion' with the latter, where I just wanted to clarify that I don't want to deter anyone with my posts, but that the forum does have it's share of aggressive posters. Again, I never said you were one of them and never meant to imply that I thought that was the case. Your support by PM was much appreciated, as I made you aware. I was answering your question about this attitude from the women you mention more generally rather than specifically in relation to your club, which I am aware is one of the more pioneering in terms of a varied approach to price. I did do because the thread is about a fictional club. I am well aware that it is you that provide the service - in posting that line of questions I was hoping to get others to think about those kind of issues before they have the nerve to demand free entry. Sorry for the confusion | |||
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"Don't agree its what your bringing to the table so to speak a women or a couple are providing the food the men are there to eat just my way of looking at it"
This is exactly the objectification I'm talking about, that people keep telling me women don't feel.
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" but for the club as a business and as in a good night its worked the way it is for umpteen years so why does it need to change, because a minority of threads pop up every now and then. Why does anything change? How do societies move forward and progress? Why bother? Why not live in caves not houses? Why should women have the vote? Why should we let black people have paid work? Things change because some people want them to change. It's ok to not want things to change, but 'it's always been like this and it's fine' isn't really a counter to the equality arguments being put forward." yes it is when the ideas been put forward have been suggested and in fact tried and failed, this is a winning formula and the people that want to go will and do go along and pay the asking price to enter, including yourself, if you as a business had a formula that worked would you change it to something you no wouldnt work for a minority, thats why the argument of if it isnt broke dont attempt to fix it is valid here. | |||
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This is exactly the objectification I'm talking about, that people keep telling me women don't feel.
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