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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago. "I really like men. I can't support a club that actively discourages my sexual preferences. | |||
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"It'll be intriguing to know what criteria they apply for these 'select' males..." JINX!  | |||
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"It'll be intriguing to know what criteria they apply for these 'select' males... JINX! "Not me | |||
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"What is the selection criteria? " I think that is going to be the interesting question...... if they are going to make people jump thru hoops I hope all self respecting men tell them where they can stuff it.... I doubt it thought..... | |||
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"And is there a more pretentious and elitest term in swinging than "select"?" nope........ and you would have thought if they were sensible and wanted to finally end the PR diaster it has been.... they would go to the people who's memberships were terminated first to offer them before opening it back up | |||
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"And is there a more pretentious and elitest term in swinging than "select"? nope........ and you would have thought if they were sensible and wanted to finally end the PR diaster it has been.... they would go to the people who's memberships were terminated first to offer them before opening it back up" I don't think much voting with the feet will be done. If anything I think another appendage will be the voting tool. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago. "'Selected' doesn't mean quality or fit, it means guys who the owners want there. | |||
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"This is good news. We used to visit Liberty Elite regularly, and on Friday nights always found the single men to be respectful, engaging and obliging - and well dressed! Although we loved the club we stopped going when single men were excluded. We will now think of renewing our membership and we guess the single guys will be of the same calibre as before." Gets more appetising every minute .  | |||
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"And is there a more pretentious and elitest term in swinging than "select"?" I doubt it! | |||
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"And is there a more pretentious and elitest term in swinging than "select"?" Almost as pretentious (and deluded) as the self certified 'Hotties' | |||
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"It'll be intriguing to know what criteria they apply for these 'select' males..." It will be like it was before.. a lot of lurcher's and letch's who follow you round, sprinkled with a few good guys. All in all, nothing new or different than what it was before. (great club though)  | |||
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"It'll be intriguing to know what criteria they apply for these 'select' males... It will be like it was before.. a lot of lurcher's and letch's who follow you round, sprinkled with a few good guys. All in all, nothing new or different than what it was before. (great club though) "Did you prefer it when it was singles? | |||
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"I wouldn't know what the selection criteria is for single males but I expect the football shirt, track suit, beer guzzling, brigade aren't the types encouraged in this club "So the same as every other club then? | |||
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"It'll be intriguing to know what criteria they apply for these 'select' males... It will be like it was before.. a lot of lurcher's and letch's who follow you round, sprinkled with a few good guys. All in all, nothing new or different than what it was before. (great club though)
Did you prefer it when it was singles?"Oh yeah.. lol Hardly went on a friday (and the same goes for other clubs) for the previous reasons (if we want single guys we can find them on a regular night out or private parties).. when we went on a friday and it was couples only there was hardly anyone there! It was so under marketed by the club. Can only imagine they changed it back cos it was so under supported on a friday and want/need the single guy money.. | |||
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"Good news! Although I did feel let down by the sudden change of policy I welcome the possibility of visiting the club again "Assuming your were a member & were excluded, in your place, I would be asking for something back. At least priority on to the Select SM list - !! | |||
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"I think 2015 is going to be a good year for Libs after it's recent trip in the doldrums. " It can only get better.. Johns a nice guy, but it always dives when he's in charge.. The best times were with managers like Scott + Jules (who now own VA) and Ade + Brig. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago. "Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.  | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case. "Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for. "No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for. We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing. "New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing.
New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back. "No I totally agree a club cannot be run on thin air but my point is that New Years proved there is no shortage of couples, £60 isn't exactly a cheap night for people with drinks on top and whilst accommodation is a bit scarce when compared to other clubs, it still got represented. My other point is that people do think it's a good idea and couples only is unique. The issue is that it has been poorly marketed. And any people who preached it was a great idea but didn't back it up. Well they have let down the club down. Granted a club like Libs will keep out the majority of the "ten pound crew" of other clubs but the dynamics will change and if this is the case, then our personal opinion is that it loses our interest and we might as well go round the corner and save ourselves the trip plus money. We paid and made the effort to go to Libs purely because we thought as a couples only club it was worth it. We loved our Fridays there. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing.
New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back.
No I totally agree a club cannot be run on thin air but my point is that New Years proved there is no shortage of couples, £60 isn't exactly a cheap night for people with drinks on top and whilst accommodation is a bit scarce when compared to other clubs, it still got represented.
My other point is that people do think it's a good idea and couples only is unique. The issue is that it has been poorly marketed.
And any people who preached it was a great idea but didn't back it up. Well they have let down the club down.
Granted a club like Libs will keep out the majority of the "ten pound crew" of other clubs but the dynamics will change and if this is the case, then our personal opinion is that it loses our interest and we might as well go round the corner and save ourselves the trip plus money.
We paid and made the effort to go to Libs purely because we thought as a couples only club it was worth it. We loved our Fridays there.
"I feel it has to be a well run mixture. I, and others like me, stopped going precisely because there were no single men. At one point, single women were not welcome either. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing.
New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back.
No I totally agree a club cannot be run on thin air but my point is that New Years proved there is no shortage of couples, £60 isn't exactly a cheap night for people with drinks on top and whilst accommodation is a bit scarce when compared to other clubs, it still got represented.
My other point is that people do think it's a good idea and couples only is unique. The issue is that it has been poorly marketed.
And any people who preached it was a great idea but didn't back it up. Well they have let down the club down.
Granted a club like Libs will keep out the majority of the "ten pound crew" of other clubs but the dynamics will change and if this is the case, then our personal opinion is that it loses our interest and we might as well go round the corner and save ourselves the trip plus money.
We paid and made the effort to go to Libs purely because we thought as a couples only club it was worth it. We loved our Fridays there.
"The club was only alive on a friday because of the single guy pound. The club didn't market itself or IMPROVE the events enough to warrant people making the effort to go or returning from keeping away on a friday. They said the night was a chill out couples event - so thats not really any special event to make the effort to go for.. and draw people to. There are only so many couples to go round and a friday night has never been the most populated of nights even in a regular nightclub - NYE is always a big draw a special one-off in people calendars - a regular weekly event (aka friday) is not. Basically the club needs single guy money for a friday to stay economical. | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing.
New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back.
No I totally agree a club cannot be run on thin air but my point is that New Years proved there is no shortage of couples, £60 isn't exactly a cheap night for people with drinks on top and whilst accommodation is a bit scarce when compared to other clubs, it still got represented.
My other point is that people do think it's a good idea and couples only is unique. The issue is that it has been poorly marketed.
And any people who preached it was a great idea but didn't back it up. Well they have let down the club down.
Granted a club like Libs will keep out the majority of the "ten pound crew" of other clubs but the dynamics will change and if this is the case, then our personal opinion is that it loses our interest and we might as well go round the corner and save ourselves the trip plus money.
We paid and made the effort to go to Libs purely because we thought as a couples only club it was worth it. We loved our Fridays there.
The club was only alive on a friday because of the single guy pound.
The club didn't market itself or IMPROVE the events enough to warrant people making the effort to go or returning from keeping away on a friday.
They said the night was a chill out couples event - so thats not really any special event to make the effort to go for.. and draw people to.
There are only so many couples to go round and a friday night has never been the most populated of nights even in a regular nightclub - NYE is always a big draw a special one-off in people calendars - a regular weekly event (aka friday) is not.
Basically the club needs single guy money for a friday to stay economical."No fully understand the economics, but a USP needs to be marketed and we both agree poor marketing has been a failure. If I was a single guy, then I would be loathed to pay a membership fee for an establishment I can only visit once a week, when other places within the midlands don't have that restriction. I'd be interested to see how much "couples business" this will drive long term. And as a single guy, I'd be hesitant to visit a "hit and miss" night. But yes I understand NYE is a different event, my point was that there are couples out there, and location/price wasn't an issue. The night should have been used for some proper "market research", not just a chat with a number of people. I think the "next generation" event to draw younger crowds is a good idea as they will be the "new blood" that this club need (all businesses need new sales). But it's been marketed and executed poorly. And social media is a driving force for business but Libs haven't really got their head around this. We left good constructive feedback, like yourself, on the review board for Libs. Did anyone from the club read it? Unfortunately not, with the exception of one lovely person who actually does care about Libs, but regretfully isn't a decision maker. | |||
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"What is the selection criteria? " I guess the usual one that clubs use....cold hard cash! | |||
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"Good to see on Libs website that come February 2015 selective single males will be allowed membership. We enjoy the couple only nights but also welcome the return of quality, fit looking guys. We just hope it's a return of the Libs of ten years ago.
Quite disappointed to hear this news, given this was a USP and one we actively promoted when talking to other couples on the scene. Will be watching this carefully as it would change the dynamics for us and might as well travel to a local club, if this is the case.
Saturday nights will still be couples only if that's what you are looking for.
No not really as we enjoyed our Fridays there. This makes it just like any other club, albeit nicer surrounding, which we happily pay for.
We appreciate a business needs to make money. New Years was proof that it can be successful as a couples only and personally we think its just lazy marketing.
New Year's Eve was always a couples only event even when it was a mixed club so there's nothing to suggest it was busy last night just because it's a couples only club now. When it was under discussion to change it to couples only lots of people thought it was a great idea but obviously didn't follow through by attending on the Friday nights. You can't run a club with only half a dozen or less couples in. For that reason of poor attendance it's being changed back.
No I totally agree a club cannot be run on thin air but my point is that New Years proved there is no shortage of couples, £60 isn't exactly a cheap night for people with drinks on top and whilst accommodation is a bit scarce when compared to other clubs, it still got represented.
My other point is that people do think it's a good idea and couples only is unique. The issue is that it has been poorly marketed.
And any people who preached it was a great idea but didn't back it up. Well they have let down the club down.
Granted a club like Libs will keep out the majority of the "ten pound crew" of other clubs but the dynamics will change and if this is the case, then our personal opinion is that it loses our interest and we might as well go round the corner and save ourselves the trip plus money.
We paid and made the effort to go to Libs purely because we thought as a couples only club it was worth it. We loved our Fridays there.
The club was only alive on a friday because of the single guy pound.
The club didn't market itself or IMPROVE the events enough to warrant people making the effort to go or returning from keeping away on a friday.
They said the night was a chill out couples event - so thats not really any special event to make the effort to go for.. and draw people to.
There are only so many couples to go round and a friday night has never been the most populated of nights even in a regular nightclub - NYE is always a big draw a special one-off in people calendars - a regular weekly event (aka friday) is not.
Basically the club needs single guy money for a friday to stay economical.
No fully understand the economics, but a USP needs to be marketed and we both agree poor marketing has been a failure.
If I was a single guy, then I would be loathed to pay a membership fee for an establishment I can only visit once a week, when other places within the midlands don't have that restriction.
I'd be interested to see how much "couples business" this will drive long term. And as a single guy, I'd be hesitant to visit a "hit and miss" night.
But yes I understand NYE is a different event, my point was that there are couples out there, and location/price wasn't an issue.
The night should have been used for some proper "market research", not just a chat with a number of people.
I think the "next generation" event to draw younger crowds is a good idea as they will be the "new blood" that this club need (all businesses need new sales). But it's been marketed and executed poorly.
And social media is a driving force for business but Libs haven't really got their head around this.
We left good constructive feedback, like yourself, on the review board for Libs. Did anyone from the club read it? Unfortunately not, with the exception of one lovely person who actually does care about Libs, but regretfully isn't a decision maker. "John wont progress the club (it's always been that way - we've seen it - and know from speaking to others who are or were regular going members) - he's a nice guy but you need people willing to put the effort in to create EVENTS people want to go to (the club is great, but you need events to push it) like the previous full time managers. It's always been this way with him pulling the strings. It was John that said no to single guys.. as he doesn;t think they are "swinging" he also doesnt believe in a DJ's for nights as "swingers dont dance". John is set in his ways.. until he goes, and leaves it to people with PASSION, DRIVE and DEDICATION the club will stagnate. | |||
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All we care about is that the club we believe to be the best designed, and which offers the highest standards survives and thrives in the way its obvious previous investment deserves.
It's a place we are more than happy to say to a new potential date (sgl or cpl)...... "shall we arrange to meet at Libs", safe in the knowledge it's going to impress them as much as meeting in a wine bar........rather than a back street warehouse. First impressions count A LOT!
We like to see DECENT single m in clubs, we actually believe that it helps to create an atmosphere that's much less clicky than in other places that are often social clubs for couples to meet their friends for a cheap night out. Especially those that are BYOB. Their problem is that in chasing their money ALL clubs (And this is why Libs made a commendable descision) allow the standards to slip.
This forum is rife with sgl m complaining that they are charged differently by clubs and they feel persecuted because of it. This debate has brought many couples saying they are boycotting or avoiding visting Libs because they stopped sgl on a Friday. We stopped going on Fridays because the quality of the sgl m allowed in had become very poor. Decent sgl m with verifications are actually usually busy most weekends with private parties so dont feel the need to go to clubs. Decent cpls therefore avoid the places.......decent guys stop comming.......more cpls avoid.......are you noticing a trend here??
You guys who complain you cant get meets should check your profiles and ask these 2 questions of themselves
1."Would I trust my girlfriend/wife with a guy who thinks it's cool to send a picture of his cock!"
2."If I ask a lady out for a drink and she suggests a classy cocktail or wine bar where a Long Island Iced Tea is £10.50 is she going to think bad of me if I suggest instead we go to my local labour social club where I can get pint of mild for just over a quid"
Bottom line as everyone running any business knows is money. But it shouldn't be PRICE it should be VALUE!
If you market any product on price you only get customers who intend to buy on price and they always lead a charge to the bottom! If you have the best "product" and Libs is undeniably in the top 2 or 3 clubs in the UK then it should market itself to those customers looking for something above average, regardless of whether sgl or cpl. It's location means driving or overnight accomodation is generally required so the door fee is only a small component of cost anyway.
So we think the club should allow sgl guys to visit but under conditions.
They are "sponsored or invited" by a member couple on an individual night basis, who is responsble for their actions.
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They are charged a hefty membership fee which acts as a deposit against rule breaking. But with their door fee to be equal to that of couples.
Those rules to be very strictly enforced.
1. Dress Code - Smart Casual Doesn't mean as long as the t shirt was ironed that month or the jeans dont have holes. Just because some US Rap star sponsors those trainers........THE'RE STILL TRAINERS!!!!
2. No standing round or following couples.
Being a voyeur in this game is something we husbands do when watching our wives (Either 'cos it turns us on.......or because we get knackered before they do)....it's not what you do as a single guy in a CLUB!
Ask yourself again "If I saw a bloke watching me having sex with my wife through our bedroom window having a wank would I think him a voyeur or a pervert" How many of you would think....Oh that guy wanking outside looks cold should we invite him in to warm his dick in your pussy darling? Dont think so!
Counter it to.....you have a great exciting sexy wife who you love to see pleasured......and in a bar she sees a well dressed, articulate, decent looking guy carrying a box of Milk Tray. He offers you BOTH a drink......well trust me he's already scored, he doesn't need to follow us, pester us or generally PISS US OFF.....we're looking for a room!
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"By the way, sorry it's long. Didn't realise how much so until we posted.... " Bloody hell! That was longer than our profile! Lol No all good points, though the three main contributiors are all associated with the club and want to see success, maybe in different ways. Subjectively we would like it to stay couples only and love the distinct message of a couples only club but appreciate it cannot run on fumes. Objectively we know a business should conduct proper market research and react accordingly and still appreciate a change is needed as it cannot run on fumes. John is a lovely bloke, we all agree. And I think we all know that he doesn't seem to listen. We've suggested that the layout of sofas up the one side are isolated and should be moved in a way that makes them more sociable for couples (granted this isn't going to change a business but highlights that something he thought a good idea hasn't been executed). We think Takeovers are a great idea. I know he isn't warm to that. But he was happy when the "Spice" crew visited and demonstrated a good proof of concept. I think "Ibiza Babe's Takeover" has a great sound to it and marketed properly would bring a younger audience to the venue. The various swinging sites have communities that would keep it busy. So frustrating! What is also annoying is that in October of last year, it was Libs 15th anniversary. Why not have an event to celebrate this? Another wasted opportunity. It's frustrating if john really thinks swingers don't dance. Good sexy music is key to creating a vibe. Xtasia on urban night is refreshingly good with great tunes attracting a younger audience. Soul night (whilst good music, is not what I want to be hearing to get me in the mood and the audience is completely different to urban night) so clear proof that music matters in my opinion. Especially as I used to DJ in Spain. The young girl there is actually not bad and is a lease of life. Shame if John does have that view because she is actually one of the good things about Libs that he should utilise. | |||
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"Well we are delighted at this news as we were members of Libs for a few years but stopped going when it changed to couples only Everyone has their own preferences which is why Fridays were couples and singles and Saturdays were couples only just as Thursday nights have hosted bsm nights and greedy girl nights It is simple really.... Don't go on the night that doesn't appeal to you We can't wait to rejoin Libs as we have tried many other clubs since and although the others are busy and good fun they are not a patch on Libs Of course you are going to get single guys walking around and trying their luck ..... That's why they are there and they have to pay through the nose to get in too so why shouldn't they have fun We only ever had one guy that tried to help himself and was a bit pushy in the 4 years we went there and we soon made him aware of the rules! Libs is a top club that has gone down the pan since bridge and ade left . They need to come back! But failing that hopefully john will employ someone that can get the club rocking again just like it used to Paula and Steve " It's not that simple. As much as we like Libs, we don't have the hunger to pay for the privilege of a club that is out of bounds for us on Friday. For this, we might as well go somewhere local. And we don't dispute that if they pay they shouldn't be entitled to enjoy, if it's the policy change. But it's the policy change we don't like personally. And one guy who tries his luck in 4 years is one guy too many and the reason why we like a couples only, like many people do (though maybe I should say few as it hasn't been supported). But it will always be a bone of contention. The main issue for us is that we don't believe real market research was conducted and this isn't johns decision to bring in single guys on Fridays. Personally we think it was a "easy way to "hope" for more revenue from his new marketing manager, who incidentally we never saw approach anyone to discuss on the nights it was dead and a good opportunity to get some feedback. If it was up to John, then there still would be no single guys AND still no new ideas or marketing push. And while we may come across as single men haters, this is not the case. We simply believe there are plenty of clubs catering for them and felt the USP of a couples only club great. It's the poor marketing, support and idea we are disappointed with. And actually feel sorry for the single guys. What happens in the worse case scenario of still no success? A few single males come on Friday, but still no couples come (all the couples that we swing with and spoke with on Fridays, and there weren't many were couples only) for the single guy. They become frustrated, these couples become frustrated. Or maybe a few more couples come along and revenue slightly increases but not enough to be a game changer. What happens is John tells his new marketing manager that her idea didn't work. Let's her go and goes back to his couples only policy. So we are then left with the following: * a poor marketing lady out of a job (who I don't think done the job properly in the first place, but probably wasn't even given a marketing budget) * frustrated single men who have been let down again * frustrated couples who wanted single men * pee'd off couples who didn't want single men What would I like to see? Well first of all, I would like to see John and the marketing manager actually on this forum contributing to this thread! It's annoying that all the reviews left on their club on this site (and most likely other swinging sites) has been ignored. I've have seen other club owners add comments to the reviews and personally contact me after feedback left. When a club averages maybe 4-6 reviews for each night they put on, is that really hard work to put some effort in? Adventures run a weekly newsletter, atlantis leave a verification. Xtasia leave verifications or a cheeky wink. All these clubs have their share of success and this type of service contributes to it. So come on John. You're a great guy & very likeable. Get your butt on the social network and bring your marketing manager too! xx | |||
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"Well we are delighted at this news as we were members of Libs for a few years but stopped going when it changed to couples only Everyone has their own preferences which is why Fridays were couples and singles and Saturdays were couples only just as Thursday nights have hosted bsm nights and greedy girl nights It is simple really.... Don't go on the night that doesn't appeal to you We can't wait to rejoin Libs as we have tried many other clubs since and although the others are busy and good fun they are not a patch on Libs Of course you are going to get single guys walking around and trying their luck ..... That's why they are there and they have to pay through the nose to get in too so why shouldn't they have fun We only ever had one guy that tried to help himself and was a bit pushy in the 4 years we went there and we soon made him aware of the rules! Libs is a top club that has gone down the pan since bridge and ade left . They need to come back! But failing that hopefully john will employ someone that can get the club rocking again just like it used to Paula and Steve It's not that simple. As much as we like Libs, we don't have the hunger to pay for the privilege of a club that is out of bounds for us on Friday. For this, we might as well go somewhere local. And we don't dispute that if they pay they shouldn't be entitled to enjoy, if it's the policy change. But it's the policy change we don't like personally. And one guy who tries his luck in 4 years is one guy too many and the reason why we like a couples only, like many people do (though maybe I should say few as it hasn't been supported). But it will always be a bone of contention. The main issue for us is that we don't believe real market research was conducted and this isn't johns decision to bring in single guys on Fridays. Personally we think it was a "easy way to "hope" for more revenue from his new marketing manager, who incidentally we never saw approach anyone to discuss on the nights it was dead and a good opportunity to get some feedback. If it was up to John, then there still would be no single guys AND still no new ideas or marketing push. And while we may come across as single men haters, this is not the case. We simply believe there are plenty of clubs catering for them and felt the USP of a couples only club great. It's the poor marketing, support and idea we are disappointed with. And actually feel sorry for the single guys. What happens in the worse case scenario of still no success? A few single males come on Friday, but still no couples come (all the couples that we swing with and spoke with on Fridays, and there weren't many were couples only) for the single guy. They become frustrated, these couples become frustrated. Or maybe a few more couples come along and revenue slightly increases but not enough to be a game changer. What happens is John tells his new marketing manager that her idea didn't work. Let's her go and goes back to his couples only policy. So we are then left with the following: * a poor marketing lady out of a job (who I don't think done the job properly in the first place, but probably wasn't even given a marketing budget) * frustrated single men who have been let down again * frustrated couples who wanted single men * pee'd off couples who didn't want single men What would I like to see? Well first of all, I would like to see John and the marketing manager actually on this forum contributing to this thread! It's annoying that all the reviews left on their club on this site (and most likely other swinging sites) has been ignored. I've have seen other club owners add comments to the reviews and personally contact me after feedback left. When a club averages maybe 4-6 reviews for each night they put on, is that really hard work to put some effort in? Adventures run a weekly newsletter, atlantis leave a verification. Xtasia leave verifications or a cheeky wink. All these clubs have their share of success and this type of service contributes to it. So come on John. You're a great guy & very likeable. Get your butt on the social network and bring your marketing manager too! xx" Incidentally the last 30 reviews for Libs on fab are from couples only, with many specifically saying "not looking for single males", with the exception of one profile. More useful information overlooked because of lack of social media awareness. | |||
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"@Justusboth2013 After chatting briefly to Laura about the young swingers night (who dont think is the marketing manager, but is the bar manager?) she said to us.. "word of mouth" will spread about it. Sadly word of mouth amoung the younger couples and a few older hot couples that we know who used to go regularly is "we're not going back again - the nights are really poor" - there are reviews similar to that already on the reviews section from about a year ago - thats how bad things are. If you dont find people who fit your idea to play with, you want a good night out - Libs doesn't provide that. These couples now only go to nights like Phukt - it's not everyone cuppa tea when it comes to a style of event or type of club, but it attracts and pulls people to go, and that sprials.. "oh, they are going.. oh, we'll go too then" etc.. Sadly, we will not be going back to Libs either.. because the last 4 nights we've gone back incl 2 young swingers nights on a friday, have been very poor nights, entertainment wise, and the atmosphere has been like a wake! If word of mouth pics up among our friends and their friends about Libs who live closer.. perhaps we'll go back. " @flashandsparkle funny enough that was on my thoughts as I've often promoted the only place on a Friday that couples can enjoy in a couples only environment. Issue is that it has been represented poorly by couples hence bringing single men back in an attempt to ramp up business (and I am feeling sorry for the single guys here). @IbizaBabe I will take back any negativity portrayed to Laura if this is the case. I had been informed by a number of people she was the marketing manager. As a marketing model, whilst word of mouth can be good, it's only a small proportion of marketing and its a shame that they have lost good guys like yourselves. And you're right, phukt isn't our cup of tea, but S & J are doing a sterling job and really getting traction behind them. They're bringing together the older generation that remember the good old rave days, coupled with the younger crowd that love the music scene and want to mix it in a modern environment. They get it, Paul & Flirt get it. They bring foam a few times as something different (not suggesting Libs does), the various swinging website communities parties. I like John very much, and I like him that much that I will be telling him that he really needs to get a grip because he is in fear of alienating nearly everyone with haphazard decisions. That's our opinion. | |||
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"The club is called Liberty Elite, its website describes it as an upmarket club, therefore you can get an idea of the type of people they want to attract, dare I mention the word 'professional'." I'm sure that Little Lord Fauntleroy will have a splendidly spiffing time there, what-what? Maybe Mr Cholmondley-Warner can teach him something about how to apply for his conjugal rights in there? | |||
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Just 5 pence worth.....
Marketing and sales go hand in hand, one will not work without the other, if your not pulling the crowd in theres no budget for marketing, no marketing equals no footfall through the door, its a very hard balancing act.
Cant comment on Libs really as dont know the background but certainly heard good things in the past and at a guess it seems they desperately need someone to take full control of events and marketing.
We are planning a visit at some point as never been ( Sam went years ago before we got together ) so would be great to visit and see it in its full glory so to speak lol | |||
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from their website it is free for members night so hopefully they will take advantage
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