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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

After a succesful thread started by Fabio about attacking people who visit a club and leave an honest review it starts again in the review section.

Our question would be to people who were looking to go to a new club or for the first time would seeing a group of people rally round and attack the honest reviewer put people off a club?

Surely it makes far more sense to leave it well alone as attacking it only creates negativity around the club and highlights the issue further along with damaging a clubs reputation as a welcoming fun place?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Our question would be to people who were looking to go to a new club or for the first time would seeing a group of people rally round and attack the honest reviewer put people off a club?"

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our question would be to people who were looking to go to a new club or for the first time would seeing a group of people rally round and attack the honest reviewer put people off a club?

Yes."

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well that's pretty resounding so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With some club reviews it's just sad, childish and frankly boring - they're so quick to judge and defend the club they attend it's actually just suggesting new people may not be as welcome.

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By *andyMooCouple
over a year ago

bedford

You see there are 2 ways of looking at it.

1 your point. Maybe it reduces the attraction

2. The club is that good that people regulars or not do rally around to defend it.

Either way who cares. Go or don't go. It's not worth getting excited about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You see there are 2 ways of looking at it.

1 your point. Maybe it reduces the attraction

2. The club is that good that people regulars or not do rally around to defend it.

Either way who cares. Go or don't go. It's not worth getting excited about. "

Who's excited? I am sure the question is valid and now validated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if their was alot of negative reviews about a club followed by the supporters, andvit was a regular occurrence I would avoid that club. Too many other good clubs to go to avoid the drama

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, and it has

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It would be good to see a club respond by simply apologising and saying thanks for your feedback we will look into it or simply say sorry you didn't have a good time but come back soon and try again.

Or a regular to say the same and simply say sorry you didn't feel included or felt shy. How about arranging to meet us and we will show you around and help you get the feel for the place.

That would impress rather than a devil may care attitude.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Not again!!!!

Rather than read the reviews on here and getting all hot and bothered about it, I'd rather visit the clubs personally and get all hot bothered in another, more enjoyable manner!!

The review section on here is far too flawed and open to abuse to be taken seriously. I find word of mouth/personal recommendation is a far more reliable tool!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not again!!!!

Rather than read the reviews on here and getting all hot and bothered about it, I'd rather visit the clubs personally and get all hot bothered in another, more enjoyable manner!!

The review section on here is far too flawed and open to abuse to be taken seriously. I find word of mouth/personal recommendation is a far more reliable tool! "

You do have a point about abusive and untrue reviews. However the point remains that regulars of some clubs get uber defensive over something that they can actually help to rectify. How nice would it be to see a post say hey sorry you had bad time but PM us and we will happily show you around?

Some people don't have the time to simply try a club on the off chance that it will be a good time. So unfortunately have to rely on reviews.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the avoid review was well reasoned and thoughtful and was hounded on by regulars it would put me off. Where there are legitimate concerns or reasons somebody didn't enjoy the club then they are valid.

If the avoid review was blatantly someone with a grudge or someone complaining simply because they hadn't had a shag and the regulars had something to say about that, then I'd be less inclined to take notice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If the avoid review was well reasoned and thoughtful and was hounded on by regulars it would put me off. Where there are legitimate concerns or reasons somebody didn't enjoy the club then they are valid.

If the avoid review was blatantly someone with a grudge or someone complaining simply because they hadn't had a shag and the regulars had something to say about that, then I'd be less inclined to take notice."

I think if anyone complains that they didn't get action that renders their viewpoint in a review invalid anyway. It's more a reflection on them than the club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the avoid review was well reasoned and thoughtful and was hounded on by regulars it would put me off. Where there are legitimate concerns or reasons somebody didn't enjoy the club then they are valid.

If the avoid review was blatantly someone with a grudge or someone complaining simply because they hadn't had a shag and the regulars had something to say about that, then I'd be less inclined to take notice.

I think if anyone complains that they didn't get action that renders their viewpoint in a review invalid anyway. It's more a reflection on them than the club.

"

I find too often people have a tendency to review their night and not the facilities of the club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our question would be to people who were looking to go to a new club or for the first time would seeing a group of people rally round and attack the honest reviewer put people off a club?

Yes.

Yes

"

Yes as shows that the said club has a click and will be looked down upon for entering as no one from within the click will speak let alone approach you in any way seen it so many times most folk that go to clubs go with prearranged meets there and not open to others the whole point of going to mix surely

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Interesting that those with a vested interest in running or promoting a club have a differing opinion. Is repeat core business more important than new people?

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Interesting that those with a vested interest in running or promoting a club have a differing opinion. Is repeat core business more important than new people? "

No definitely not, but we find that most new people have heard about us from chat, from their visits to other clubs where people have been chatting to one another etc...

I would say as a guestimate, 20% of people who choose to come to us have read club reviews, which in turn have made them want to come along. The rest of the 80% have been recommended by other people by word of mouth. If you are wondering how I can possibly know, we have a few marketing questions on our membership forms, which as specific questions such as, how did you hear about Townhouse etc...and the most common answer is word of mouth, not reading club reviews on Fab.

To be honest, we may have differing opinions because we live and breathe the scene 24/7 and come across hundreds of people a week, thus gathering info from them through conversation and learning from our customers. We promote on sites such as this all the time and can honestly say that these sites are not central to getting people to choose our club, they are a tool for helping people on their journey.

Our bat phone is red hot all the time. Most people who want to know more about our club will look on our website and then call us. Any questions or concerns are cleared up then...if they want some advice on swinging sites to browse, then we may suggest this site, but we also recommend others and we point them towards the forums to chat with other swingers rather than the review systems as they are just opinions and from reading a lot of them on here can be very biased.

I think I have rambled but it's been a long weekend!!!! haha ZZzzz

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting that those with a vested interest in running or promoting a club have a differing opinion. Is repeat core business more important than new people?

No definitely not, but we find that most new people have heard about us from chat, from their visits to other clubs where people have been chatting to one another etc...

I would say as a guestimate, 20% of people who choose to come to us have read club reviews, which in turn have made them want to come along. The rest of the 80% have been recommended by other people by word of mouth. If you are wondering how I can possibly know, we have a few marketing questions on our membership forms, which as specific questions such as, how did you hear about Townhouse etc...and the most common answer is word of mouth, not reading club reviews on Fab.

To be honest, we may have differing opinions because we live and breathe the scene 24/7 and come across hundreds of people a week, thus gathering info from them through conversation and learning from our customers. We promote on sites such as this all the time and can honestly say that these sites are not central to getting people to choose our club, they are a tool for helping people on their journey.

Our bat phone is red hot all the time. Most people who want to know more about our club will look on our website and then call us. Any questions or concerns are cleared up then...if they want some advice on swinging sites to browse, then we may suggest this site, but we also recommend others and we point them towards the forums to chat with other swingers rather than the review systems as they are just opinions and from reading a lot of them on here can be very biased.

I think I have rambled but it's been a long weekend!!!! haha ZZzzz"

Cheers guys very candid. Only heard great things about your club to be honest so of we are ever up North we will be sure to pop in.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Interesting that those with a vested interest in running or promoting a club have a differing opinion. Is repeat core business more important than new people?

No definitely not, but we find that most new people have heard about us from chat, from their visits to other clubs where people have been chatting to one another etc...

I would say as a guestimate, 20% of people who choose to come to us have read club reviews, which in turn have made them want to come along. The rest of the 80% have been recommended by other people by word of mouth. If you are wondering how I can possibly know, we have a few marketing questions on our membership forms, which as specific questions such as, how did you hear about Townhouse etc...and the most common answer is word of mouth, not reading club reviews on Fab.

To be honest, we may have differing opinions because we live and breathe the scene 24/7 and come across hundreds of people a week, thus gathering info from them through conversation and learning from our customers. We promote on sites such as this all the time and can honestly say that these sites are not central to getting people to choose our club, they are a tool for helping people on their journey.

Our bat phone is red hot all the time. Most people who want to know more about our club will look on our website and then call us. Any questions or concerns are cleared up then...if they want some advice on swinging sites to browse, then we may suggest this site, but we also recommend others and we point them towards the forums to chat with other swingers rather than the review systems as they are just opinions and from reading a lot of them on here can be very biased.

I think I have rambled but it's been a long weekend!!!! haha ZZzzz

Cheers guys very candid. Only heard great things about your club to be honest so of we are ever up North we will be sure to pop in. "

Well you would be very welcome as you are travelling a distance, it's worth knowing that on party nights, you can stay over with us.

Anyway, great thread so far and the review system always gets people talking!! lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have spoken to a few people who have been to clubs and decided it's not for me. I wouldn't take any notice of the review section on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldnt be put off as i dont read reviews lpl

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"After a succesful thread started by Fabio about attacking people who visit a club and leave an honest review it starts again in the review section.

Our question would be to people who were looking to go to a new club or for the first time would seeing a group of people rally round and attack the honest reviewer put people off a club?

Surely it makes far more sense to leave it well alone as attacking it only creates negativity around the club and highlights the issue further along with damaging a clubs reputation as a welcoming fun place? "

What is the rule on people who are intimately associated with a Cub sending you what would purport to be spam invitations in any other medium?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Interesting that those with a vested interest in running or promoting a club have a differing opinion. Is repeat core business more important than new people?

No definitely not, but we find that most new people have heard about us from chat, from their visits to other clubs where people have been chatting to one another etc..."

Funnily enough its rare that I am put off by reviewers being dogpiled on the review page on here. Its when they post their vendettas on the forum for all to see. Its very dull and just makes me think 'Well, not going there. I might meet these people!'

The Townhouse has got excellent reviews, but it also has very little competition nearby, so won't suffer like clubs in other areas from badmouthing. Having said that, all the Manchester area clubs manage to get along with each other.

PS Put me down as another one who needs to get to the Townhouse in 20125.

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By *jandjbCouple
over a year ago

Nr Manchester

I used this site for the club reviews even before starting a profile. We didn't join Fab until after our first visit to Cupids. I still read the reviews both to see what sort of events or nights we might like and also which couples we might like to meet.

If you read enough reviews and rule out the best and worst it can be very helpful.

Him.

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By *picyminxWoman
over a year ago

Huntingdon


"If the avoid review was well reasoned and thoughtful and was hounded on by regulars it would put me off. Where there are legitimate concerns or reasons somebody didn't enjoy the club then they are valid.

If the avoid review was blatantly someone with a grudge or someone complaining simply because they hadn't had a shag and the regulars had something to say about that, then I'd be less inclined to take notice.

I think if anyone complains that they didn't get action that renders their viewpoint in a review invalid anyway. It's more a reflection on them than the club.

I find too often people have a tendency to review their night and not the facilities of the club"

Yes indeed lots of reviews are "Had another good night at ...." Unfortunately as a club you cannot control what people write. I tend to report them if they are on our clubs review section but it's really up to admin if they feel it's feasible to remove them. It's not really about the amount of reviews it's the content that matters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where is the reviews section? know i've been there before ages ago, but can't find it.

not sure if it would put me off or not, plenty of things already put me off going. don't think i'd like to go any club where the members love starting drama though.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"where is the reviews section? know i've been there before ages ago, but can't find it.

not sure if it would put me off or not, plenty of things already put me off going. don't think i'd like to go any club where the members love starting drama though."

http://www.fabswingers.com/clubs/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"where is the reviews section? know i've been there before ages ago, but can't find it.

not sure if it would put me off or not, plenty of things already put me off going. don't think i'd like to go any club where the members love starting drama though.

http://www.fabswingers.com/clubs/"

thankyou.

no idea how i found it last time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Refreshing to see it's not gone unnoticed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are we not really discussing freedom of speech? Its up to the individual to document their views {on any subject] if that narrative is within the laws of the land.

If someone has a great time and they enjoyed it why not sing the praises of that experience without of course being overly sycophantic. Equally if the experience is below par then a reasoned and articulated critical analysis can help the service providers.

Lets hope that club owners do not slap a £100 surcharge on negative feed back although trip advisor unhelpfully excludes recreational sex establishments from its category lists.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It's interesting how some people say Clubs aren't for them. We have visited 6 Clubs and each one has its own style, its own ambiance, its own regulars and you can sort of see that from the reviews. We tend to use the reviews to get an idea, but generally look at the club website and phone them up to see whether we will be welcomed.

Anytime we try a club for the first time, we assume nothing will happen and we are just going to have a bit of fun for ourself and if we meet someone then its a bonus. We then always try to give a review of the Club and to be honest, other than the occassional moan about single guys not adhering to dress codes enough (Beth likes dressing up and would prefer guys did also!) and observations about Clubs being quieter than we might wish, we have had nothing to complain about.

It is inevitable that some people will find fault, but we have never felt uncomfortable, felt Clubs were anything other than spotlessly clean and the owners always went out of their way to make us feel welcome.

Maybe we just haven't had a bad experience yet, but after going about a dozen times we've decided it can't just be luck!

Thanks to all the Clubs for being open, putting up with a load of hassle and giving us somewhere to go and have brilliant fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it depends on the content of the reviews if there were numerous ones from a range of visitors about facilities and cleanliness that would put us off . If it were complaints about a particular night or event it wouldnt as this is subjective and what one person enjoys another will hate as we have found when visiting a club.

What does put us off is the lack of reviews if a clubs been going for a considerable time and only has a handfull of reviews that in itself would put us off a good club usually has loads reviews

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By *it of fun cplCouple
over a year ago

village between York and Hull


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too"

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"it depends on the content of the reviews if there were numerous ones from a range of visitors about facilities and cleanliness that would put us off . If it were complaints about a particular night or event it wouldnt as this is subjective and what one person enjoys another will hate as we have found when visiting a club.

What does put us off is the lack of reviews if a clubs been going for a considerable time and only has a handfull of reviews that in itself would put us off a good club usually has loads reviews "

Other people have said similar to be honest, but as I have also said before, there are some clubs out there who give incentive to people who leave reviews. So some clubs who haven't been going as long have hundreds of reviews and others that have been going for longer don't have as many. I would say it is the quality of the reviews, not the number of the reviews that is important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it depends on the content of the reviews if there were numerous ones from a range of visitors about facilities and cleanliness that would put us off . If it were complaints about a particular night or event it wouldnt as this is subjective and what one person enjoys another will hate as we have found when visiting a club.

What does put us off is the lack of reviews if a clubs been going for a considerable time and only has a handfull of reviews that in itself would put us off a good club usually has loads reviews

Other people have said similar to be honest, but as I have also said before, there are some clubs out there who give incentive to people who leave reviews. So some clubs who haven't been going as long have hundreds of reviews and others that have been going for longer don't have as many. I would say it is the quality of the reviews, not the number of the reviews that is important. "

Personally unsure about your point regarding incentives but im not saying your wrong as i dont know either way.

If i visited a club and hated it i would give an honest account as id like others to know of my experience but again it would only be my account but if a club were bad i certainly wouldnt give them a good review through an incentive my biggest incentive would be never to return

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An easy way to stop all of this would be for fab to deploy a rating system, ie stars out of 5 for

Facilities

Cleanliness

Staff

Cost

Location

Parking

Those are just a few examples of what we think a club should be judged on, at least it would stop all the bitchy comments ??

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

I went to a club about 4 years back (not going to name) and they were offering money off future visits if a club review was left on Fab or another site that I can't mention on here. I was shocked!!

That totally throws a different spin on the review system and since then, I don't give a lot of credance to reviews before I go to a club, I just go and see for myself. A lot of people at our place will say, try this place and that place and give an honest account...now this I listen to.

The review system on here is flawed. I have said it before. It is open to abuse by those who have something to gain from writing good reviews and those who leave an honest bad review and completely slated by the locals. It's all wrong and needs an overhaul!

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"An easy way to stop all of this would be for fab to deploy a rating system, ie stars out of 5 for

Facilities

Cleanliness

Staff

Cost

Location

Parking

Those are just a few examples of what we think a club should be judged on, at least it would stop all the bitchy comments ??

"

100% agree! It's been suggested before but don't think Fab will go for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with your above post it needs addressing urgently and whilst the change over may cause a little upset its a short term loss for a long term gain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too"

+1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a side note and to echo others posts we will be making a trip to you guys in 2015 as heard really great stuff about your club

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"As a side note and to echo others posts we will be making a trip to you guys in 2015 as heard really great stuff about your club "

Ahhh that's great to hear! We are a completely different club to Xtasia but I think you will enjoy yourselves Let me know when you are coming along and I will make sure I am there to welcome you xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a side note and to echo others posts we will be making a trip to you guys in 2015 as heard really great stuff about your club

Ahhh that's great to hear! We are a completely different club to Xtasia but I think you will enjoy yourselves Let me know when you are coming along and I will make sure I am there to welcome you xxx"

Cool guys will do

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"An easy way to stop all of this would be for fab to deploy a rating system, ie stars out of 5 for

Facilities

Cleanliness

Staff

Cost

Location

Parking

Those are just a few examples of what we think a club should be judged on, at least it would stop all the bitchy comments ??

"

It would that's for sure. Do like the additional comments on a club though some people do quite good reviews which add a nice personal touch. I don't think people should comment on the clientele as seen some quite cruel descriptive comments lately. A club should be judge on what it has to offer not what the attendees look like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An easy way to stop all of this would be for fab to deploy a rating system, ie stars out of 5 for

Facilities

Cleanliness

Staff

Cost

Location

Parking

Those are just a few examples of what we think a club should be judged on, at least it would stop all the bitchy comments ??

It would that's for sure. Do like the additional comments on a club though some people do quite good reviews which add a nice personal touch. I don't think people should comment on the clientele as seen some quite cruel descriptive comments lately. A club should be judge on what it has to offer not what the attendees look like. "

Yeh maybe an option for a personal note to be added just a few sentences maybe ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can always tell when a club has had a critical review because they have a disproportionate number of new reviews in comparison to the others...It always makes me smile, just a little bit...

reviews are only one of the tools we use to decide whether to try club or not...For others it's their entry requirements, price, facilities and distance...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You can always tell when a club has had a critical review because they have a disproportionate number of new reviews in comparison to the others...It always makes me smile, just a little bit...

reviews are only one of the tools we use to decide whether to try club or not...For others it's their entry requirements, price, facilities and distance..."

it's pretty transparent

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too

"

have to say this is one of my bugbears with the "swinging club discussion" forum... and how it have been ahem... overtaken.... by certain clubs....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too

have to say this is one of my bugbears with the "swinging club discussion" forum... and how it have been ahem... overtaken.... by certain clubs....

"

Really? Yopu've never commented on it before have you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too

have to say this is one of my bugbears with the "swinging club discussion" forum... and how it have been ahem... overtaken.... by certain clubs....

"

I think it comes across as a bit desperate and sycophantic.

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By *ortheastcoupleukCouple
over a year ago

easington were the sun dont shine

club owners can reply to ansa the review ok dont agree with regs jumping in defending as makes a mockery of the reviews section for the club ,again wont take much notice to a review on our local one due to knowing the truth and why it was put on , other clubs we been to when we away had bad 1s and club wars we just went to see for ourselfs and hey had great nights at both clubs , so tend just to find out our selfs.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"And similarly relentless self promotion by regulars on the forums put's us off too

have to say this is one of my bugbears with the "swinging club discussion" forum... and how it have been ahem... overtaken.... by certain clubs....

"

Yes but us club owners are swingers too and have opinions...so are we not allowed to chat in the dicussion forum?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can always tell when a club has had a critical review because they have a disproportionate number of new reviews in comparison to the others...It always makes me smile, just a little bit...

reviews are only one of the tools we use to decide whether to try club or not...For others it's their entry requirements, price, facilities and distance...

it's pretty transparent "

Very transparent

There is no perfect review system however having a star system would be pretty rubbish, I like the fact that people can post a review in there own words, you get a feel for the reviewer also, opinions of people on a specific night they attended are completely valid as with all clubs there are good nights and bad, we can all see the blatant excess of reviews after a bad review, it's comical especially when bad mouthing the reviewer and defending the club, love how it actually draws attention to the issue and validates some of the points raised.

I get the point about regulars posting frequent good reviews this is out of the clubs control of course

We are all old enough to see through the review sections issues and as adults make our own choices

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regular reviews from regulars tells us nothing about a club really or the clientele

Lots of reviews after a bad review tells us loads about a club and its clientele!

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