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"We are referring to all clubs. We see behaviour like this everywhere, but we are not tarring all guys with the same brush, there are good guys out there, but it can get where a couple go in a room with a couple of guys and while they are busy do get surrounded by guys who think it's there right to join in." If you don't want single guys go on couple only nights. | |||
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"We are referring to all clubs. We see behaviour like this everywhere, but we are not tarring all guys with the same brush, there are good guys out there, but it can get where a couple go in a room with a couple of guys and while they are busy do get surrounded by guys who think it's there right to join in. If you don't want single guys go on couple only nights." | |||
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"What if you want to attend a club and the only night you are able to go is singles night, say due to work or family ristrictions. But having to run the gauntlet is what's putting you off. " just report any bad behaviour..... | |||
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"What if you want to attend a club and the only night you are able to go is singles night, say due to work or family ristrictions. But having to run the gauntlet is what's putting you off. " We only attend on a sat and the whole being followed round like the pied piper has put us off of attending on a mixed night, we know that the single guys bring a lot of revenue to clubs, and its not fair to expect the guys to sit in the bar untill invited to play, maybe put more 'usher' type staff on to help the rules? | |||
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"Thinking about it some more, I think the real problem you'll encounter is that, much like you cannot force anyone to play, you cannot force people to chat. Unless its some kind of swinger speed dating event! " Don't think it's about forcing anyone to chat, or do anything else. It's about suggesting what is a really poor style of interaction and highlighting what might be more successful. Better experience for all, as I'm sure at times couples would actually welcome a single male but are put off by the behaviour. | |||
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" Now if the club had and area for single guys then you can choose what you want, but we would assume the guys would get upset about being restricted despite the fact they are upsetting the couples ??? " sorry if I am misreading that, but single guys would all stand in this area and the couples/females would take their pick of who they fancy ??? | |||
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"We are referring to all clubs. We see behaviour like this everywhere, but we are not tarring all guys with the same brush, there are good guys out there, but it can get where a couple go in a room with a couple of guys and while they are busy do get surrounded by guys who think it's there right to join in." There are some good points in this thread. We don't just want to go to clubs on couples nights and we have had encounters (threesomes) with single guys without arranging a meet but I find that, say in an open area, I can't concentrate on having fun in a group of people we have brought together for a moresome if there is also a group of single men standing at arms length wanking under towels. I think it is a male thing as I feel I have to be defensive while my OH doesn't mind being watched. Him | |||
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" Now if the club had and area for single guys then you can choose what you want, but we would assume the guys would get upset about being restricted despite the fact they are upsetting the couples ??? sorry if I am misreading that, but single guys would all stand in this area and the couples/females would take their pick of who they fancy ???" Imagine being the last to get picked or even not at all. Be like being back at school when you pick your side for football. Would do wonders for your self esteem. | |||
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" Now if the club had and area for single guys then you can choose what you want, but we would assume the guys would get upset about being restricted despite the fact they are upsetting the couples ??? sorry if I am misreading that, but single guys would all stand in this area and the couples/females would take their pick of who they fancy ??? Imagine being the last to get picked or even not at all. Be like being back at school when you pick your side for football. Would do wonders for your self esteem. " I was thinking ancient Rome and selecting the slaves | |||
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"Thinking about it some more, I think the real problem you'll encounter is that, much like you cannot force anyone to play, you cannot force people to chat. Unless its some kind of swinger speed dating event! Don't think it's about forcing anyone to chat, or do anything else. It's about suggesting what is a really poor style of interaction and highlighting what might be more successful. Better experience for all, as I'm sure at times couples would actually welcome a single male but are put off by the behaviour. " Very true. But how readily would single guys accept this? Only they ask for profile advice all the time and never actually implement the improvements. You can lead a horse to water... | |||
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"We are referring to all clubs. We see behaviour like this everywhere, but we are not tarring all guys with the same brush, there are good guys out there, but it can get where a couple go in a room with a couple of guys and while they are busy do get surrounded by guys who think it's there right to join in." We are happy with the single guys we have filtered out at clubs but have to say many have been scruffy looking unkempt and without social skills like holding a conversation. Restricting numbers could be an answer but single guys don't do themselves any favours. Try chatting to ladies or couples first. | |||
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"What club are you referring to? We normally go to the Vanilla Alternative. While we've never yet been to a night with single guys, we may do so in the future (not for the guys, just timing) and as far as I know, they restrict their numbers to 10 or so, and vet them before they attend. " Having attended Vanilla Alternative almost every Friday night for the past couple of years, when single guys can visit, I can confirm that no more than 10 are booked in and often less than that actually turn up. The bar and lounge areas, and later the massive hot tub, provide good opportunities for single guys to talk with couples and singles (of both sexes), before the serious play begins. There are a few of us regular male visitors who lead by example which new visitors seem to follow without any problem. I think that most couples that have been to VA's on a Friday night would say that the single guys are generally very respectful. Of course, there is very occasionally an exception but that is vary rare and often someone that has never been in a swinging club previously. | |||
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"Why should it be down to the guys to go and chat? Why can't couples approach men to talk to? I don't often play with single men, but will often be seen chatting to them" As already pointed out in this thread, its the few single guys that try to mug anything without a penis that put a few ladies off, no one expects guys to stand to attention like puppets, but the few without manners do ruin it for the majority that behave, just like on here really, theres nowt worse than trying to speak to someone decent and being interrupted by ignorant folk | |||
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"Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread - sorry - so this may have been said. Many clubs have lockable private rooms where a couple can take guys they choose without being 'swamped'. Many have couples only rooms. Most have public play areas open to all. Most have mixed nights and couples only nights. Pretty sure the solutions to the problem of being followed or claims of 'too many guys' are already there in most venues should you choose to use them! A" too easy though A! | |||
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"Thinking about it some more, I think the real problem you'll encounter is that, much like you cannot force anyone to play, you cannot force people to chat. Unless its some kind of swinger speed dating event! Don't think it's about forcing anyone to chat, or do anything else. It's about suggesting what is a really poor style of interaction and highlighting what might be more successful. Better experience for all, as I'm sure at times couples would actually welcome a single male but are put off by the behaviour. Very true. But how readily would single guys accept this? Only they ask for profile advice all the time and never actually implement the improvements. You can lead a horse to water..." Fair point. Think many will keep doing what they're doing and moan about the results. Good many of those horses won't be getting anywhere near the water and just watching someone else have a drink. I think I might be stretching that analogy to breaking point | |||
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"Why should it be down to the guys to go and chat? Why can't couples approach men to talk to? I don't often play with single men, but will often be seen chatting to them As already pointed out in this thread, its the few single guys that try to mug anything without a penis that put a few ladies off, no one expects guys to stand to attention like puppets, but the few without manners do ruin it for the majority that behave, just like on here really, theres nowt worse than trying to speak to someone decent and being interrupted by ignorant folk " We had this the one and only time we visited our favorite club on a night that allowed single guys. Only we were a little past the speaking stage. Fair one we thought, learnt our lesson, we won't go on those nights again. Only the last time we visited it was the male half of a couple that weren't getting any fun that decided to dive in... Literally. I guess it comes down to manners of the individual but there are an awful lot of guys that don't do themselves any favors. We really like the idea of guys having to be invited into the play areas. As we did notice that a lot of space was taken by guys in the play areas just 'hoping' for some fun rather than actually having any. Which ment others that did actually want to play then couldn't. Wont stop us persevering for those nights that are worth it | |||
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"Why should it be down to the guys to go and chat? Why can't couples approach men to talk to? I don't often play with single men, but will often be seen chatting to them" and this is a point i do make to couples as well.... i will hapilly talk to anyone in a club and there is no M.O behind it at all.... chat...leave.... or chat, chat a bit more not every conversation is some sort of opening gambit to get into someones knickers... a general conversation is just that... nothing more.... | |||
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"Don't like the sound of the club you go to. I've been to a fair few and never experienced this. Most single men ive come across in clubs have been polite but then again if they aren't I have a voice and I'm not scared to say when people are out of order." | |||
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"As a single guy who has been to clubs and parties I do think that people spend too much time looking to tar single men about one thing or another If you don't want single men go on a couples only night ( there are no single men there ) Tell them that your not interested If they persist inform a member of staff or host Don't go to clubs stop whinging as us single guys are just as annoyed about this as you are about us Swinging is about fun variety exploration and oh yes fun !!!!! " We hear what your says but as a single guy, how would you deal with this problem ??? What rules / rooms should a club have to accom everyone's taste ????. Telling people not to go to a club on single guy night is not right, this may be the only night they can attend a club ??? And may be they want a single guy just not a crowd of guys trying to muscle in on the action. | |||
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"As a single guy who has been to clubs and parties I do think that people spend too much time looking to tar single men about one thing or another If you don't want single men go on a couples only night ( there are no single men there ) Tell them that your not interested If they persist inform a member of staff or host Don't go to clubs stop whinging as us single guys are just as annoyed about this as you are about us Swinging is about fun variety exploration and oh yes fun !!!!! We hear what your says but as a single guy, how would you deal with this problem ??? What rules / rooms should a club have to accom everyone's taste ????. Telling people not to go to a club on single guy night is not right, this may be the only night they can attend a club ??? And may be they want a single guy just not a crowd of guys trying to muscle in on the action." As a single guy we don't have the option of any other nights As to what to do I've already stated that you can say no Report them Clubs generally want our money and couples benefit by that but don't want to take responsibility after that If men are not acting in a respectful manner then they should be asked to leave but this should and is generally the rule for everyone that attends As for playroom rules Each club is different but generally have the same etiquette Men women and couples have watched while I play some couples have been as bad as single men some women are touchy feely some husbands are d*unk and obnoxious but most are true swingers having fun The secret is if we are not happy walk away there are plenty of nice people to play with | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx" was she hot? | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? " Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! " hahaha..I thought she had wanted to play with U! x | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! " Actually that's not nice of me! She was attractive actually - but probably too accustomed to gettibg who and what she wants! The 'women are always in charge' ethos can create huge egos in the clubs just as it can on fab profiles - and it aint pretty! Xx | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! Actually that's not nice of me! She was attractive actually - but probably too accustomed to gettibg who and what she wants! The 'women are always in charge' ethos can create huge egos in the clubs just as it can on fab profiles - and it aint pretty! Xx" | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! Actually that's not nice of me! She was attractive actually - but probably too accustomed to gettibg who and what she wants! The 'women are always in charge' ethos can create huge egos in the clubs just as it can on fab profiles - and it aint pretty! Xx" I've just looked at your profile and pics if she saw them she might have been more polite Also I doubt she was hotter as you really are hot I can't pm as I have no photos showing but would love to chat so of you would like to chat send me a pm and I'll send you a photo xx | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx" How rude! | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx How rude! " My sentiments exactly !!!! | |||
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"I'm now wondering how single women feel in this environment " Surrounded by horny men? ........ Lucky? | |||
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"Never had any problems with single men; most are polite and respectful. In fact we stopped going to Liberty Elite when they restricted entry to couples and single women only. La Chambre copes with overenthusiastic single men by having "invitation only" rooms. This work well and the restriction is always respected. " Having some 'invitation only' rooms is the ideal answer, than everyone is happy and has options. Personally we prefer the dark room in Isis (which is open to all), we have never had any problems with single guys and we invite guys who are in there to play with 'A'. But we don't mind how many are in there, or how many want to watch or touch. The more the merrier! | |||
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"We would like to know what people think about single guys in clubs ????. Before we start we would like to say, we don't have a problem with guys and we have plenty who have become good friends. Xxx This is the situations we are referring to.... Should clubs have more restrictions on single guys ???? We have seen this in many clubs up and down the country. Some single guys come into a club, grab a drink and a towel, then head straight off to the play areas and wait for couples or girls to come along , if the want to go to a room they have to run the gauntlet of single guys to get there and then turn around to find the room filling up with guys behind them, none of them making an effort to even talk. We see this so many times and it makes people choose to find a private room to get away from them. Should clubs have rules where the guys are restricted in the play areas, or should the have set rooms where the guys have to go, and if couples or girls want the guys then they go to that room, ???? Guys can go in other rooms if people invited them along but the crowds of guys have to wait outside ???? What are people's thoughts, we would like to hear from everyone including single guys xxx" Never been to club on account of this very scenario but Surely there are 100s of couples who enjoy anonymous "fuck'n'go" type guys and who enjoy the exhibitionism and attention of this sort of situation. With respect - why should they be excluded to please someone else? From what we read most clubs have couples only nights don't they? Everyone can have what they want! | |||
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"As a single guy who has been to clubs and parties I do think that people spend too much time looking to tar single men about one thing or another If you don't want single men go on a couples only night ( there are no single men there ) Tell them that your not interested If they persist inform a member of staff or host Don't go to clubs stop whinging as us single guys are just as annoyed about this as you are about us Swinging is about fun variety exploration and oh yes fun !!!!! " The whole issue isnt about issues with single men its about men who cant behave correctly. We like to play with couples and single men so prefer mixed nights but we do get put off by the male hunting packs that run from room to room as soon as a female or couple enter,no sooner we get on the bed they surround us towels whipped open cocks out ready so we just get up and leave,if we lock the door of a private room no one can enter. If guys were more polite and just stand and watch and let the fun begin maybe as the couple become aroused they may get an invite but to jump straight in at the start is so off putting | |||
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"As a single guy who has been to clubs and parties I do think that people spend too much time looking to tar single men about one thing or another If you don't want single men go on a couples only night ( there are no single men there ) Tell them that your not interested If they persist inform a member of staff or host Don't go to clubs stop whinging as us single guys are just as annoyed about this as you are about us Swinging is about fun variety exploration and oh yes fun !!!!! The whole issue isnt about issues with single men its about men who cant behave correctly. We like to play with couples and single men so prefer mixed nights but we do get put off by the male hunting packs that run from room to room as soon as a female or couple enter,no sooner we get on the bed they surround us towels whipped open cocks out ready so we just get up and leave,if we lock the door of a private room no one can enter. If guys were more polite and just stand and watch and let the fun begin maybe as the couple become aroused they may get an invite but to jump straight in at the start is so off putting" I totally agree unfortunately there will always be rude people whether they are single men women or couples and we will meet them in all walks of life Best to either be straight and sometimes blunt !!! Report them or avoid them As for clubs !! They can only do so much and ultimately there not for everyone but the nice people make up the majority | |||
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"I'm wanting to go to a club as a single guy. Will prob be pleasures as that is where I used to go as a couple but am really put off . Don't like the sound of loads of guys fighting to get a shag. Is that what it's like at clubs? I love sex but not sure it's worth the battle as think it could be quite a turn off" Its not that there's loads fighting to get a shag, the discussion of tho thread was more that some dont put the work in beforehand by chatting to people, they just march straight to the play areas and hope to get involved | |||
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"Just had our first experience of a 'mixed' session. On the whole went really well and we certainly weren't hassled which I think is a concern for many. Think we were both surprised that so many guys think closely 'hanging around' whilst wanking is likely to be what many couples will respond favourably too. Guessing it may work but mostly be a real turn off. Too much to expect an attempt at chat outside of the playrooms? Would it be any less risky to attempt a well placed observation while you're watching a couple play? We imagine even those who get off on a wanking audience (yep, that would be us) don't want stony silence. Our tip? If you're one of many guys it might be worth being the one with some social skills. " Noted. | |||
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"What if you want to attend a club and the only night you are able to go is singles night, say due to work or family ristrictions. But having to run the gauntlet is what's putting you off. " I think that puts you a slightly better position than if you are a single guy and want to attend a club but the only night you can make is a couples and single fems night. !! | |||
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"From what I've seen of single guys in clubs, some work the room, mingle and flirt. Others do just as Dean and Julie said: Come in, strip off, wait upstairs. I think hanging around outside playrooms could be seen as a little predatory, even if you are there for the single guys. I can imagine it would be off putting for new members, guys and girls, being shown round the place and seeing these men waiting. If I ran my own club, I'd open the bar area for an hour before I opened the play areas. That way at least some time has been dedicated to socialising, although you would struggle to force people to chat." Some do do that. | |||
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"Can we remember most single guys are lovely and clubs would shut down very quickly without the substantial amount they pay to enter? Also rude behaviour in clubs certainly isn't confined to single men! A single fem walked into a private room I was in at a club this weekend and ordered one of the two guys I was with to leave with her as she wanted to play! She was very rude when he declined! Xx was she hot? Clearly not as hot as me or he'd have walked with her methinks! " Not if you are actually the nicer person. And you're definitely pretty hot to. I've had a similar situation when I was the guy. | |||
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"What if you want to attend a club and the only night you are able to go is singles night, say due to work or family ristrictions. But having to run the gauntlet is what's putting you off. just report any bad behaviour....." All rules of the club I use are made plain when new guys come in, the choice of joining in with couples is up to the Cole, if you are not ask then don't touch, if you only want a few guys, then choose who and shut the door?? This works well in bournemouth and seldom are people asked to leave. The locals even assist in stopping any mass or door hangers | |||
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