FabSwingers.com forum: Club Review's and Abuse.

By *weet vibrations OP Woman
over a year ago

Hanley

I left a re_iew for Atlantis to express my _iews from the visits i'd had. Amazingly almost instantly I start to be ABUSED by the regulars !!!........

The owner then left a re_iew, saying its a pack of lies, which how can they leave a re_iew when they own the club? It's re_iew page has since turned into a forum mainly stating that I'm fake and its untrue. I would just like to put the record straight I'm not a fake, I do exist and have visited the club. This club clearly operates like bullies and when other fab members message me saying I'm spot on, then I guess that proves the point as to why don't they leave a re_iew. It's also funny how in there reply they mention other clubs struggling. Well I honestly never thought that whilst in other clubs, but I did when I was at yours. My re_iew wasn't about other clubs it was about that one. I guess the saying "clutching at straws" comes to mind. Regarding the smoking issue, you will find if you ask anyone who doesn't smoke, they will tell you it stinks. Smokers will not smell it the same as they are used to it regardless if a secondary door is fitted. This was only a general observation anyway and wasn't really the main point of re_iew. The purpose was it was dead every time and they wanted me to leave a good re_iew. I did want to say you must be joking. Also they must clearly struggle with adding up as publishing figures like that only makes you look stupid to other members that have been and know the truth. Maybe you have had those numbers on the odd occasions but you certainly didn't when I was there and nor did the other members I've spoke to.

Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not fair at all

If you have a bad experience surely the owners if they see the re_iew should use that and take it on board . And try and look into it .

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By *weet vibrations OP Woman
over a year ago

Hanley

Exactly x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The club re_iew page is like a childs playground sometimes

Some of the responses to re_iews do the clubs no favours at all

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

some of theclub regulars are like baying wolves at times...

now where have I also seen that behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some of theclub regulars are like baying wolves at times...

now where have I also seen that behaviour

Christmas Eve 5pm at John Lewis when the sale has started

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"some of theclub regulars are like baying wolves at times...

now where have I also seen that behaviour

Christmas Eve 5pm at John Lewis when the sale has started

good god no, I would need the SAS to come with me....

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"some of theclub regulars are like baying wolves at times...

now where have I also seen that behaviour

Christmas Eve 5pm at John Lewis when the sale has started

Or Next at 5am before the doors open!

Riot gear recommended!!

OP don't sweat it. They're just words. Most realise the nature of the club re_iew section. Most (if sensible!) will indulge in a huge pinch of salt and make their own minds up.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

Exactly. I do read club re_iews before I attend and if the regulars feel the need to all pile on then I will avoid the club, as its likely to be cliquey. As a single woman I am looking for friendly regulars, not people ganging up on one off visitors.

Just ignore them, keep posting honest re_iews, and enjoy the club scene.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

Just ignore them, keep posting honest re_iews, and enjoy the club scene.

If you leave a bad re_iew will the owners not want you back ?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

Just ignore them, keep posting honest re_iews, and enjoy the club scene.

If you leave a bad re_iew will the owners not want you back ? "

I reckon if that happens they don't deserve to run a club. A poor re_iew should be taken as a wake up call that there is a problem, not an excuse to bully people.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

just read the offending re_iew... and it come back to what should and shouldn't be in a re_iew......

for example, the fact that the nights you went were not as busy as you hoped isn't really in their control.... but some of the observations re the smoke blowing in are fine, and what was wrong with the shower....

i am off the opinion, that if it something the club can rectify, have a word with the club owners first and suggest.... then leave a re_iew,

being pressured by any club is a no no in my eyes.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slight exaggeration saying the re_iew page has turned into a forum criticising the OP. There is a rebuttal by the owners and 2 other posts. Hardly a torchlit mob.

However if the regulars are sending you abuse report them as that is obviously well out of order. If any business can't take free well meant advice they shouldnt be participants in an online re_iew system.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

All clubs have bad re_iews no matter how good they are

Just as everything on amazon no matter how good, will have someone who doesn't like it

The key is to take the balance of the re_iews rather than one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There used to be a woman who regularly posted re_iews for a club off the A1 saying it was great for meeting "urbane" guys, and if you didn't know the meaning then you obviously aren't one!!!

She was so up herself I'm suprised she wasn't constantly in a state of climax

Why post continually about the same club?

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

This is exactly what is at fault in the re_iew section. I think it should be more of a scoring system based on certain criteria, i.e cleanliness, location, decor, service etc...so you can leave honest scores that everyone can relate to. When re_iews are qualitative, people seem to get more irrate! I did once believe that re_iews should be anonymous but this then leaves the system wide open for abuse by club owners slagging off other venues.

I will say it again. The club re_iews are a guide only and if you want to know what a club is really like, go and take a look yourself. We all have different standards and opinions on what we expect from a club, so really, the only re_iew you should trust is your own.

The bullying I have seen on Fab lately is getting out of control. I don't mean on the re_iews per se, but in general. I have seen it on forums and I have had lots of our members saying they have been getting lots of nasty PM's.

If it wasn't for the club that we run, I wouldn't be on here so much. It's gone down in my estimations and people are abusing it daily.

Right, I shall step down from my soapbox! haha

Vic xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw your re_iew and the responses... How do they know it's fake bearing in mind they can't see any face pics on your profile?? How do they know you did or didn't go?

No need for all that kind of retaliation because at the end of the day it's just your opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

Just ignore them, keep posting honest re_iews, and enjoy the club scene.

If you leave a bad re_iew will the owners not want you back ? "

Some owners do welcome bad re_iews and will open private dialogue with you to discuss it rather than do it in a public forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read the Re_iews. Hmm... Well, I think the OP's re_iew is quite fair. Its factual and is based on 3 visits, over several months.

All of the responses are pretty unfair - and its those who look ridiculous, IMO. The first is bordering on a personal attack - the other 2 are potentially rather overly positive, in praising the club in question.

Such behaviour does not encourage honest re_iews. But do NOT be put off - keep telling it how you see it. Publish - and be damned, if needs be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The response from the club should of been a positive response and they reallyshould take on board tthings they could change and improve not jump down the throat of a re_iewer ..its seen as immature and unable to deal with criticism in the correct manner xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I left a re_iew for Atlantis to express my _iews from the visits i'd had. Amazingly almost instantly I start to be ABUSED by the regulars !!!........

Please be prepared that if your not a regular and you leave an honest re_iew, you will get abused. Which does actually prove the clientele of the club..

There are some major club wars going on with Stoke with people leaving bad re_iews - can only assume people have taken your re_iew to be one of those, and the following re_iews are only club regulars sticking up for their club.

I (mr) actually thought your re_iew was quite valid (except for the avoid rating), but it was your "experience" of the night, rather than a re_iew of the club "facilities".

As we have experienced the same on occasion.

We've always been warmly welcomed by Atlantis.. and usually warmly welcomed at other clubs around the UK. Cant say it's cliqey, but naturally people tend to stick and chat with those that make them most at ease and they get on with, and can find it difficult to speak with new people (I do - Mr). But you do get a number there that will take the time to introduce you to others - but you need to want that to happen.

Yes the stairs are colder than the rest of the club, but then again, it does have the outside door under them, so you do get a lot of people going out to smoke and you get a lot of cold air coming in, regardless of heaters (but then again, who hangs about on the stairs?)

The air-lock door as they call it, is only as efficient if it's used properly. A lot of the times we have been there either the inner or outer door or even both has been left open. That is the fault of the patrons of the club, not the club itself - it does have notices on the door to keep them closed. So you will get cold air and smoke drifting in - it's usually the non regulars that do this (just like at any club, where they allow patrons to go outside to smoke, eg Liberty Elite)

Quite nights? Yes they do occur. But like at any club Atlantis is no different. Especially if it's been a big weekend the weekend previous or prior where it's someones birthday or a big party night. Not everyone has that much money to keep going week in week out. So you will only find locals going so regularly - always best to check the events section on the website and get a feel for what it will be like (just like any club)

The larger party nights at Atlantis you do get people traveling from all around the UK from Wales to Kent and more from further North, we've have experience some very busy and naughty nights there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank the fact your profile states you are from Hanley explains a lot - the first part of my post will detail why.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Owners of clubs are allowed to post if they think a re_iew is not true for whatever reason.

Most club owners are polite when doing so though as it must be in their clubs interest to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suggestion - for Fabs Admins.

Make all Club Re_iews subject to Admin approval - as all Photos are. Any Re_iew containing personal attacks, or similar, should be rejected - or edited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We left an 'avoid' re_iew a couple of years ago when we visited a local club (which closed down soon after so that says it all really!) We didn't pull any punches in it, but we were fair & honest. We suffered similar abuse to you with regulars messaging us telling us we were liars & some even threatening us! The best part was that also similarly to you we received an overwhelming number of messages from people who agreed with everything we'd said but were too scared to leave a bad re_iew themselves. We have since visited other local clubs & have left re_iews for them too, although I'm glad to say both experiences were much more positive! We will always leave re_iews for places & if it's a decent establishment then it should accept your criticism & look at what they can do to change things, being abusive only serves to make them look hostile & unwelcoming & will put off others thinking of going. Stick to your guns!! Juicy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We left an 'avoid' re_iew a couple of years ago when we visited a local club (which closed down soon after so that says it all really!) We didn't pull any punches in it, but we were fair & honest. We suffered similar abuse to you with regulars messaging us telling us we were liars & some even threatening us! The best part was that also similarly to you we received an overwhelming number of messages from people who agreed with everything we'd said but were too scared to leave a bad re_iew themselves. We have since visited other local clubs & have left re_iews for them too, although I'm glad to say both experiences were much more positive! We will always leave re_iews for places & if it's a decent establishment then it should accept your criticism & look at what they can do to change things, being abusive only serves to make them look hostile & unwelcoming & will put off others thinking of going. Stick to your guns!! Juicy x"

Well done - well said...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always post honest club re_iews based on the facilities, staff, whether I felt welcomed and safe, cleanliness etc. If I had any issues that were in the clubs control they would be addressed with the club directly either at the time or shortly after. How they were resolved would go in the re_iew. Decent clubs would welcome feedback and the chance to put things right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is exactly what is at fault in the re_iew section. I think it should be more of a scoring system based on certain criteria, i.e cleanliness, location, decor, service etc...so you can leave honest scores that everyone can relate to. When re_iews are qualitative, people seem to get more irrate! I did once believe that re_iews should be anonymous but this then leaves the system wide open for abuse by club owners slagging off other venues.

If it wasn't for the club that we run, I wouldn't be on here so much. It's gone down in my estimations and people are abusing it daily.

Right, I shall step down from my soapbox! haha

Vic xx"

The bullying on Fab has been going for quite a bit. Abuse in forums, misusing forums to express an opinion, sending abusive messages when one is turned down. Correct and critical opinion everyone should accept and discuss on, but to send nasty messages post horrible things about people should lead to either a month ban or boot... Fab is a swinger site with many different opinions and attitudes not a bully play ground

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

If you will provide the full Membership Number/s and your Full Name/s of yourself and your partner. And the approximate dates you both visited we will pull the visitors sheet logs and match them to your visit/s

If we can do that then we will not only refund you the full amount of your entry fees for each night - we will also give you a full and unreserved face-to-face apology.

Please use the club email to do this. You can find this on our webpage.

Tag and Cat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you will provide the full Membership Number/s and your Full Name/s of yourself and your partner. And the approximate dates you both visited we will pull the visitors sheet logs and match them to your visit/s

If we can do that then we will not only refund you the full amount of your entry fees for each night - we will also give you a full and unreserved face-to-face apology.

Please use the club email to do this. You can find this on our webpage.

Tag and Cat.

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By *ike it dirtyWoman
over a year ago

north west

I got barred for goin adventures in lust shud b aBle go were i like without bein confronted in atlantis by cat that i was advertisin adventures i used to use both now i use only adventures in lust bcus of atlantis i should b able go any were if i pay money jesus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That seems like a good & fair response. I hope the OP will pursue this.

Much better than the previous 'response' - which would IMO, be best removed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we can do that then we will not only refund you the full amount of your entry fees for each night - we will also give you a full and unreserved face-to-face apology.

Please use the club email to do this. You can find this on our webpage.

Tag and Cat.

If this happens you should also have your counter re_iew removed.

When responding to re_iews it would do you some favours to do so in a mature business like manner

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By *ike it dirtyWoman
over a year ago

north west

i aint bullying ime stating a fact tht happened when i was ther ive never slagged any of the local clubs off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive seen this a few times on the club re_iews - how the reactions are dealt with say a lot about the club -

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By *weet vibrations OP Woman
over a year ago

Hanley

Thank you for your reply that was a good and fair response. I don't think a refund, although a kind gesture was the purpose of my re_iew and I'm sure you and everyone would agree I'm hardly going to come to the club after this.

Talk about being the most hated person in there.

This is my first ever forum and was only done because of your counter re_iew, which was an unexpected response, however, I never expected so many replies on here and although this must be damaging to your business this wasn't my intention. It has certainly hi-lighted people's _iews.

I do think it's now going slightly off topic and it seems like I've started a war. However it does highlight the power of the net and I'm sure all the points raised here have been taken on board by not just club owners, but club members too. Every club needs customers and with out them they'd have no business. Maybe I'll try again in the near future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The same happened to me a couple of years ago with a different club to this one, there are some really nasty people who don't want their clubs put down at all, but surely they should all learn to take the rough with the smooth??? Maybe they should just remove the 'avoid' option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we can do that then we will not only refund you the full amount of your entry fees for each night - we will also give you a full and unreserved face-to-face apology.

Please use the club email to do this. You can find this on our webpage.

Tag and Cat.

This should have been your first response,not the attack response you gave on the club re_iew page which was appalling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we can do that then we will not only refund you the full amount of your entry fees for each night - we will also give you a full and unreserved face-to-face apology.

Please use the club email to do this. You can find this on our webpage.

Tag and Cat.

This should have been your first response,not the attack response you gave on the club re_iew page which was appalling"

It was not the best response and could be looked on as a bad re_iew by perspective visitors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we were looking at the club re_iews with the thought of visiting after reading that quite frankly disgusting reply of the owner we would definitely stay well clear from it!

Such a rude person.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Think we can leave it there

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