FabSwingers.com forum: Single male members

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It seems to be the norm that single females and couples are allowed into clubs with a small fee whereas single guys either pay a membership or a silly amount to gain entrance.

Personally I don't have a problem with this as the clubs have to make a profit and a living. Though some clubs have bucked this trend in recent months by charging similar amounts for all.

What I do find objectionable is the fact that certain clubs expect to see utility bills, passport, driving licence and then keep this information on file.

They say they are bound by data protection rules so will never divulge this info.

What happens to this database when the club closes, gets taken over by new owners or has an employee who is less shall we say 'honest'

I have taken the decision not to attend clubs that expect this information and I urge all single guys to do the same. It's not a matter of having something to hide but a matter of personal privacy 5,10,15 yrs in the future. I was told that it was for the protection of other members but I think that yes there some weirdo guys out there though there will be weirdo couples and singles females as well.

Perhaps some club owners would like to comment? I expect to get shot down for this little rant but it really is an important issue regarding how this information is kept and stored.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've attended a few different clubs around the midlands area and have both had to.produce id for membership as a couple.

To be honest I think we'd avoid clubs where anyone (male or.female) could.just wander.in without valid proof of who they are.

The.clubs we've visited looked at our id but didn't copy although we did fill our details in on the membership form which neither of us had any issue with doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've attended a few different clubs around the midlands area and have both had to.produce id for membership as a couple.

To be honest I think we'd avoid clubs where anyone (male or.female) could.just wander.in without valid proof of who they are.

The.clubs we've visited looked at our id but didn't copy although we did fill our details in on the membership form which neither of us had any issue with doing."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've attended a few different clubs around the midlands area and have both had to.produce id for membership as a couple.

To be honest I think we'd avoid clubs where anyone (male or.female) could.just wander.in without valid proof of who they are.

The.clubs we've visited looked at our id but didn't copy although we did fill our details in on the membership form which neither of us had any issue with doing.

I'd rather go to clubs where id is required. As a single female safety is my top priority. If that puts off a few single blokes it doesn't bother me. There will alwsys be those willing to play by club rules.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

I had to show ID as well, wasn't just single guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're concerned ask them one simple question.

"Are you registered with the Information Commisioners Office"

As chances are they will be holding the information electronically

http://ico.org.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/registration

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By *acnShellCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

What a confusing statement OP! Firstly you title it Single Males, and then change the subject totally to Data Protection! That covers everyone, and if you wish to visit clubs that don't ask for details, then expect to be breaking the law! How on earth would they know if anyone was under age for example? Local police and councils are aware of these establishments because they run best practice, letting anyone in from the street isn't that, and I'd expect a heavy knock on the door at some point, and then your name will be out there!! Clubs that take details should be covered by Data Protection, and you should be able to see a Certificate at Receptions from "ICO". If not displayed, then ask for their ICO Number and check. As for the comment about naughty staff etc, same applies to your bank, building society, employer, and everyone else you share your data with. If covered by DP, then the rogue employee will be breaking the law. If not covered, then more fool you for going in the first place. Your advice, maybe well meant, is completely wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've attended a few different clubs around the midlands area and have both had to.produce id for membership as a couple.

To be honest I think we'd avoid clubs where anyone (male or.female) could.just wander.in without valid proof of who they are.

The.clubs we've visited looked at our id but didn't copy although we did fill our details in on the membership form which neither of us had any issue with doing."

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By *leasuresharerMan
over a year ago

southampton

As a single man (going to be going with my fwb together soon though) I wouldn't want to go to a club that didn't check ID - the only reason people don't want to show any form of ID is that they aren't single in truth and don't want to be caught - these clubs know they have to be discreet otherwise they would soon go out of business

My safety comes first and I want to know everything is OK inside

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford

"What a confusing statement OP! Firstly you title it Single Males, and then change the subject totally to Data Protection! That covers everyone, and if you wish to visit clubs that don't ask for details, then expect to be breaking the law! How on earth would they know if anyone was under age for example? Local police and councils are aware of these establishments because they run best practice, letting anyone in from the street isn't that, and I'd expect a heavy knock on the door at some point, and then your name will be out there!! Clubs that take details should be covered by Data Protection, and you should be able to see a Certificate at Receptions from "ICO". If not displayed, then ask for their ICO Number and check. As for the comment about naughty staff etc, same applies to your bank, building society, employer, and everyone else you share your data with. If covered by DP, then the rogue employee will be breaking the law. If not covered, then more fool you for going in the first place. Your advice, maybe well meant, is completely wrong. "

^^^^this.

To my mind I can't recall on the news about swinging club staff selling personal data to criminal gangs, however I've seen several news reports of call centre staff working at banks etc doing this.

Ultimately you chose to share your data and there are laws In place to protect you against it's misuse.

On a personal level I've found all staff members at clubs to have discretion as part of their natural characters owing to the nature of their jobs and seem to really enjoy working there - I know I would!

so while it's never impossible, I'd say it's quite highly improbable.

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

bedford

Deal with it, don't go to club if you don't like the rules,it not if there is a shortage of guys on site or at clubs,we as a couple are happy to give our details

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes I agree, sorry I went a bit off topic. my point is that it seems to me one rule for the single guys and one for single females and couples. From what I can gather there is a huge difference in how each are treated in regards to ID.There are some clubs which expect ID for all visitors, others which is just cursory and others just a first name but more often then not it's the guys who get asked to provide all the ID.

My real point is that I wouldn't want all my details on a database connected to a swinging club whether or not they are registered or not. Who knows in 10 yrs I may be famous after all .

I knew I would be shot at by someone. Lol

I agree that ID is necessary for the safety of all and I wouldn't dispute that but I would argue that the security of a database would be less stringent in some of these clubs (not all) then in a banking institution. How many clubs advertise 'under new ownership' etc how do you know that the old membership data has been deleted etc

To recap I have no issue in providing ID but I wouldn't want it on a database. Hence the reason for raising the topic for discussion.

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By *ppunxbearMan
over a year ago

Manchester

for me i don't earn a massive amount and i do feel slightly priced out the market. considering there's a gay sauna down the road that doesn't cost me a lot. but a massive membership price is something i just can't afford.

i can completely understand the clubs doing it so it's not just full of horny men but on the other hand more people would be there anyway i guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's why I don't go to clubs, why should I pay 60 for entry, no way, rather get some food for it lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't mind showing ID it's the fact they charge guys so much that puts me off going.

I can't understand the clubs doing so you can limit single guys numbers other ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only been to one club where I.D. was not required and its the only club we wouldn't go back to. We are not worried about the details that are taken as all the clubs (not just swinging) we are members of ask for pretty much the same information. As regards to pricing policy yes it is harsh on single guys but how else do you stop it becoming a cock fest?

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

Can say that there is ever a shortage of women looking to go to clubs. I never pay single male prices. Just advertise yourself as going on here. Chances are if you can't get someone to go with you on here then there's no point paying full price to get in as you most likely won't find anyone who will play with you at a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only been to one club where I.D. was not required and its the only club we wouldn't go back to. We are not worried about the details that are taken as all the clubs (not just swinging) we are members of ask for pretty much the same information. As regards to pricing policy yes it is harsh on single guys but how else do you stop it becoming a cock fest? "

Choose an amount of single guys you feel is acceptable and let them book and pay in advance.

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By *acnShellCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"From what I can gather there is a huge difference in how each are treated in regards to ID.There are some clubs which expect ID for all visitors, others which is just cursory and others just a first name but more often then not it's the guys who get asked to provide all the ID."
Not true in our experience, clubs will either follow good practise, which is to check ID, or not. They will check all genders regardless if following correct procedures. Single males would not be discriminated against in this way. (Lets not start on pricing!)

"My real point is that I wouldn't want all my details on a database "
The club needs to be able to prove to the authorities it has checked your ID fully. To do this, it should record the information.
" Who knows in 10 yrs I may be famous after all."
Join the gang of famous swingers then, they can make a lot of extra money from it, and name a celebrity that doesn't like to be news worthy! 99% of the time, its been the celebrity who lets slip to the press, not the staff who deals with them
"To recap I have no issue in providing ID but I wouldn't want it on a database. Hence the reason for raising the topic for discussion.

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Best answer for you, party in private.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even though u need to pay, is there a chance there will be a woman in there that wants to shag, not sure lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes I agree, sorry I went a bit off topic. my point is that it seems to me one rule for the single guys and one for single females and couples. From what I can gather there is a huge difference in how each are treated in regards to ID.There are some clubs which expect ID for all visitors, others which is just cursory and others just a first name but more often then not it's the guys who get asked to provide all the ID.

My real point is that I wouldn't want all my details on a database connected to a swinging club whether or not they are registered or not. Who knows in 10 yrs I may be famous after all .

I knew I would be shot at by someone. Lol

To recap I have no issue in providing ID but I wouldn't want it on a database. Hence the reason for raising the topic for discussion.

How do you come by the information that only men get asked for identification and have their details recorded? We are a couple and have had to show identification and fill out a membership form at all bar one club we have attended. Would you be able to name any of these clubs that only ask men for I.d.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Choose an amount of single guys you feel is acceptable and let them book and pay in advance."

The flaw in that idea is how many will you need on any given night? You could have a club full of couples and single ladies or a half empty one, unless everyone has to pre book how do you get a balance? Not knocking your idea buy if it was that simple clubs would already bo doing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would showing id make it any safer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a new theory about why guys pay more. It will help to stop random men walking in off the street, paying a tenner and being leering idiots.

(Obviously some do pay higher prices and are still leering idiots...!)

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By *isexmistressWoman
over a year ago

Prestwich

MARKET FORCES...

eg..1) Would the guys prefering to pay less entry be happy that there are 10 times as many single guys to compete with ?

Having hosted 000`s of parties,gang bangs,meets,shoots,porn events,I can tell you that ONLY works for gang bangs!

2) If the club`s business model prices itself beyond the reach of its market,its going to be an ex club !

3) Generally, things that come freely or cheap have no percieved value,and are treated as such. It`s sometimes as much to do with a mindset,as finances..

What I would suggest to guys on a lesser income is,perhaps save up and treat it as a SPECIAL night out,pick your date and MAKE THE MOST OF IT..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not only single men that are asked for I.d its everybody at many clubs.im not worried about my details in there database even tesco's has my details. I think its the married man syndrome thinking there get letters or phone calls from clubs, it dosent happen, unless u sign up to receive updates via email or something

there are many clubs that do charge alot more for single guys. However there are alot of clubs who are fairer and charge same as couples

eg eureka who have a very fair affordable price

even a regular organised party I go has a earlybird prepay ticket which is cheaper for single men

its a case of looking around at different places as some are very overpriced and know I couldnt afford it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Choose an amount of single guys you feel is acceptable and let them book and pay in advance.

You are always going to get the balance wrong occasionally it happens now. Clubs don't want to do it they earn more money from charging single guys more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MARKET FORCES...

eg..1) Would the guys prefering to pay less entry be happy that there are 10 times as many single guys to compete with ?

Having hosted 000`s of parties,gang bangs,meets,shoots,porn events,I can tell you that ONLY works for gang bangs!

2) If the club`s business model prices itself beyond the reach of its market,its going to be an ex club !

3) Generally, things that come freely or cheap have no percieved value,and are treated as such. It`s sometimes as much to do with a mindset,as finances..

What I would suggest to guys on a lesser income is,perhaps save up and treat it as a SPECIAL night out,pick your date and MAKE THE MOST OF IT..

Or just don't go it's less about the income and more about feeling people are taking the piss. That does not fit my own personal business model.

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By *isexmistressWoman
over a year ago

Prestwich

"MARKET FORCES...

eg..1) Would the guys prefering to pay less entry be happy that there are 10 times as many single guys to compete with ?

Having hosted 000`s of parties,gang bangs,meets,shoots,porn events,I can tell you that ONLY works for gang bangs!

2) If the club`s business model prices itself beyond the reach of its market,its going to be an ex club !

3) Generally, things that come freely or cheap have no percieved value,and are treated as such. It`s sometimes as much to do with a mindset,as finances..

What I would suggest to guys on a lesser income is,perhaps save up and treat it as a SPECIAL night out,pick your date and MAKE THE MOST OF IT..

Or just don't go it's less about the income and more about feeling people are taking the piss. That does not fit my own personal business model."

what biz you in ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MARKET FORCES...

eg..1) Would the guys prefering to pay less entry be happy that there are 10 times as many single guys to compete with ?

Having hosted 000`s of parties,gang bangs,meets,shoots,porn events,I can tell you that ONLY works for gang bangs!

2) If the club`s business model prices itself beyond the reach of its market,its going to be an ex club !

3) Generally, things that come freely or cheap have no percieved value,and are treated as such. It`s sometimes as much to do with a mindset,as finances..

What I would suggest to guys on a lesser income is,perhaps save up and treat it as a SPECIAL night out,pick your date and MAKE THE MOST OF IT..

Or just don't go it's less about the income and more about feeling people are taking the piss. That does not fit my own personal business model.

what biz you in ?"

That's G14 classified

Seriously I just mean that paying over the odds to line somebody else's pockets does not make sense to me.

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

bedford

Single guys complain about entry fees,couples pay less, to bloody right I have to wine and dine wife to get her in the mood for fun,I have to take care of all her whims and fancies,what else you single guys have to pay for,either bring a partner or keep lips stumb lol be warned my wife does invite single guys to play with her but she hates guys who moan all the time unless it's with pleasure ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Checking ID is a requirement for a private members club. Holding your details is necessary for fire and insurance regulations. We are legally bound to be able to prove when you attended. Part of all this is data protection and information governance.

I would know. I'm club staff and do memberships all the time

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i was going to say if the insinuation was that they only ask single men for ID and no one else.... I have some bad news for you....

they ask EVERYBODY for ID normally the first time they go to a club.. be that man... single ladies... tv's... ts... even those couple thingeys.....

so if it was that rant of selected data protection that was stopping you from going... you have been misinformed, you'll have to find another excuse not to go......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i was going to say if the insinuation was that they only ask single men for ID and no one else.... I have some bad news for you....

they ask EVERYBODY for ID normally the first time they go to a club.. be that man... single ladies... tv's... ts... even those couple thingeys.....

so if it was that rant of selected data protection that was stopping you from going... you have been misinformed, you'll have to find another excuse not to go......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

having read the above replies nearly all club staff are discreet but not all . some time ago a very public case about a certain scottish public figure was in court for a libel case (he went to jail but won appeal)and two, club former staff were on the front pages of a (then) sunday tabloid with picture of said mcr club!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"having read the above replies nearly all club staff are discreet but not all . some time ago a very public case about a certain scottish public figure was in court for a libel case (he went to jail but won appeal)and two, club former staff were on the front pages of a (then) sunday tabloid with picture of said mcr club!

I remember that case so yes it can and does happen - the ex staff probably got well paid for the info from the tabloid. Were the owners tackled about breach of confidentiality? Doubt it!

It may well have changed in recent years but I used to go to 4 or 5 clubs in the Manchester area with a lady friend and we were never asked for ID. Yet when I went by myself I was asked. I have been to clubs were there is a no membership required evening and they do not ask for ID.

I think there are obviously those clubs who stick to the law

yet others are more lax. You have to admit there are some clubs out there that are pretty dire and are run by, shall we say ,slightly dubious characters. No I will not name them and no I would not want to give them my personal details.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have been to a few clubs over the years and have never had any come backs no unwanted mail or emails discretion is assured I think. Even fabs dont show up on bank statements if you pay by card or if you order late night porn on the telly that does not show up either x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our local club charges the same mid week for couples and singles yet single women are free and we think that's more then fair, it's well run policed By very polite friendly staff and as a couple we had to provide details for membership

we had the same choice as every one else comply with rules or go else where

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