FabSwingers.com forum: Single women pay

By *ot4ujo OP Woman
over a year ago

Eccles

Should single women have to pay to go into swingers clubs ?

Ok so my thoughts are no x I would of thought clubs would do all they can to encourage single lady's , I have paid once but it was a event so I didn't mind x but in general I don't think so x

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By *ibanditMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

I imagine it makes financial sense to admit you lovely ladies for free.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Should single women have to pay to go into swingers clubs ?

Ok so my thoughts are no x I would of thought clubs would do all they can to encourage single lady's , I have paid once but it was a event so I didn't mind x but in general I don't think so x"

nope.... I think they should pay... the rest of us have to....

they use the facilities like the rest of us... they should have to contribute

if you are asking if they should pay as much... thats a different question

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By *pplecrunchWoman
over a year ago

Yeovil

Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

women do pay to get into clubs but it can be as little as £5-£10 so hardly extravagant unless you're on the dole

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By *ot4ujo OP Woman
over a year ago

Eccles

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs "

But as we all know things arnt equal in the swinging world there's always a lot more guys than lady's

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

But as we all know things arnt equal in the swinging world there's always a lot more guys than lady's "

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By *pplecrunchWoman
over a year ago

Yeovil

I would want to pay cause if I didn't I would feel cheap.

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By *lectriclemonadeCouple
over a year ago

spain

I think single females should go free - creates a better atmosphere

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Milan, Italy

It seems to me you pretty much get what you pay for these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It barely costs anything for single women anyway so no I don't think you should pay nothing

Single women are not what im after so im not bothered if there aren't any at the clubs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched the movie 'Pain and Gain' recently, and near the start of the movie, Mark Wahlbergs character says he was able to increase membership at the gym he worked by 75% just by allowing(female) strippers to use the facilities for free - obviously attracting a large number of beautiful women, and an even larger number of males!

This is why I reckon most swingers clubs charge so little for female customers, knowing that if they can attract them, the deluge of guys will soon follow (regardless of ridiculous admittance fees).

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Of course they should pay! Why should having a vagina make us exempt for paying to use facilities etc?

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By *pplecrunchWoman
over a year ago

Yeovil

So women are seen as a sex object??

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

But as we all know things arnt equal in the swinging world there's always a lot more guys than lady's "

Thats exactly what the suffragette's fought for. Equality for women unless they've got their pussy out then everyone else should pay except women because there are more men around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

But as we all know things arnt equal in the swinging world there's always a lot more guys than lady's "

This is true but would it really put ladies off going just because they have to pay like everyone else?

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By *ot4ujo OP Woman
over a year ago

Eccles

The thing I'm finding interesting is a couple of the comments are from people who arnt site supporters there fore are using this site for free but are adamant about paying lol

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

I'm not a single woman but if I were then I think I'd feel uncomfortable being admitted to a club for free... as if I was one of the 'facilities' on offer - or as 'bait' for the single guys and, tome some extent, couples who are seeking them.

I know single women aren't obliged to play with anyone at a club but to be allowed in for free almost implies that they 'pay' in kind just by being single and there.

A reduced fee is another matter (although even that seems unfair). Charging single women the same fee as single men would probably end up in an even bigger gender imbalance than there already is.

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"So women are seen as a sex object??"

So guys are seen as walking dildos?

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By *pplecrunchWoman
over a year ago

Yeovil

I'm happy with what I can do on here. So why pay for extras when I'm not interested.

If I wanted to go to a club I would pay but I'm not interested

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£15 entry for me when I go to my local swingers club. Doesn't bother me at all. Why should I be free i'm there for the exact same reason as everyone else. Thats the way I think of it anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£15 entry for me when I go to my local swingers club. Doesn't bother me at all. Why should I be free i'm there for the exact same reason as everyone else. Thats the way I think of it anyway

Well said. Why shouldn't they pay? The guys do & single ladies use the same facilities. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't mind paying and actually feel its obligatory, nice to be free but think we women should pay just like men have to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do couples have to pay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay? "

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I can't think of any other private company that allows customers to pay nothing to use their services. Why should swinging clubs be any different?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay?

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men"

Seems single women are being used as bait!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay?

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men

Seems single women are being used as bait!"

and that's your opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£15 entry for me when I go to my local swingers club. Doesn't bother me at all. Why should I be free i'm there for the exact same reason as everyone else. Thats the way I think of it anyway

free entry at partners in bury for single ladies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay?

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men

Seems single women are being used as bait!"

They are

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

Happy to pay, but if it wasn't for reduced prices, I wouldn't be able to go as often.

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"£15 entry for me when I go to my local swingers club. Doesn't bother me at all. Why should I be free i'm there for the exact same reason as everyone else. Thats the way I think of it anyway

free entry at partners in bury for single ladies"

Never got in there for free. Always charged me £10.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay?

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men

Seems single women are being used as bait!

and that's your opinion"

& you draw attention to this being an opinion because?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most clubs are either free for a girl or under a tenner I think it is great value for a great night. I feel sorry for the guys because they have to pay extra to get into clubs and usually a waiting list x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing I'm finding interesting is a couple of the comments are from people who arnt site supporters there fore are using this site for free but are adamant about paying lol "

Not entirely sure what that's got to do with it...we all get the same basic service it's extras we pay for..

I think anyone with even a modicum of self respect should pay their way whatever they're doing... do you sit in the dark there? Not use a towel? Not sit on a chair? Not use the loo? Why should anyone else subsidise your social or sexual life?

I also wouldn't be happy to be used as bait by club owners to get the more heavily paying punters through the door

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think yes they should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we were deciding on prices for Vivente in Sunderland I said single women should pay the same as single men. However putting that across in the forums sparked fury amongst many single women so we reduced the prices!!!

my personal opinion and not from a business perspective, single women attend clubs for exactly the same reasons as single men, they should pay equally, and actually by law, we are supposed to charge the same!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"When we were deciding on prices for Vivente in Sunderland I said single women should pay the same as single men. However putting that across in the forums sparked fury amongst many single women so we reduced the prices!!!

I guess that depends on what the price for the single men is.

At Chams the price for single women is £8 and single men £33. I get whyy this is but personally I'd I was going as a single women I would be happy if everyone paid the same price but somewhere in the middle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do couples have to pay?

of course, but they always pay less or same amount as men

Seems single women are being used as bait!

They are

Exactly this!

I think everyone should pay the same. Restrict numbers of single guys if they need to by having a limit on how many they let in.

If men pay a lot and women pay nothing... what does that say.....

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By *iss-PinkWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester

I think single women should pay. As to pricing for single women and men - it's basic supply and demand economics pricing..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

But as we all know things arnt equal in the swinging world there's always a lot more guys than lady's "

So ladies get a better deal as they have more men to choose from. I hate the way swinging revolves around women as if they Are some rare commodity. Pay up bitches is what I say. .... But I have been drinking wine so may not feel so brave in the morning!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about couples? They usually pay less than single men. Is this because these women are as much bait as single women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should single women have to pay to go into swingers clubs ?

Ok so my thoughts are no x I would of thought clubs would do all they can to encourage single lady's , I have paid once but it was a event so I didn't mind x but in general I don't think so x"
no we don't think so x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£15 entry for me when I go to my local swingers club. Doesn't bother me at all. Why should I be free i'm there for the exact same reason as everyone else. Thats the way I think of it anyway

If I went then I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think single woman get charged too much if they do at all.

Myself and Gimp normally pay about 20 pound, plus usually just over 10 pound for our alcohol, so that's a good night out.

Why do you think single ladies should not have to pay, like anyone else?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Do you think everybody should pay the same, single blokes and single women, and couples?

When I go to my local club I pay on a sat night, but it is free on all the other nights, but thats the clubs rule not my rule........I would be prepared to pay more If I had too!!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Maybe the owners of some of the clubs should reply to these posts, after all its the clubs who set the prices!!!!!

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Do you think everybody should pay the same, single blokes and single women, and couples?

When I go to my local club I pay on a sat night, but it is free on all the other nights, but thats the clubs rule not my rule........I would be prepared to pay more If I had too!!"

very nice attitude to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think everybody should pay the same, single blokes and single women, and couples?

When I go to my local club I pay on a sat night, but it is free on all the other nights, but thats the clubs rule not my rule........I would be prepared to pay more If I had too!!

very nice attitude to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ? "

That word genuine again! Could you explain how a regular club goer who meets is not genuine? Women often pay less to get into clubs because of basic supply and demand. If they had to pay the same as men it would turn into a cock fest. The women would stop going. The men stop going. Club closes. Is that the result that you want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs "

this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think single fems should pay just as the rest of us do !! When we host meet and greets I always charge the single fems the same as the guys ! Shouldn't be a difference !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a gay male couple who would have no interest in attending clubs other than for social purposes, we object to paying as 2 single males to obtain entry when a MF or indeed FF couple going there for exactly the same reason would get in at a wildly reduced rate.

I cite the example of the one listed at Partners as it is local to us.

FF couple, Entrance cost = £ NIL

MF couple, Entrance cost = £ 20

MM couple, Entrance cost = £ 60

Whilst we accept that other socials are available, the above does show the disparities that exist in club pricing.

Surely if you are running a social where you are controlling a guest list (as opposed to a just letting in whoever knocks on the door that day), then you can charge the same £ per person across the board and limit the numbers of those from each sub-group that you feel would provide a good mix ?

I am assuming by charging £'s the club is still looking to make the same (if not more) than it would on a regular weekend night and thus the social becomes more of a marketing tool for said club.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"As a gay male couple who would have no interest in attending clubs other than for social purposes, we object to paying as 2 single males to obtain entry when a MF or indeed FF couple going there for exactly the same reason would get in at a wildly reduced rate.

I cite the example of the one listed at Partners as it is local to us.

FF couple, Entrance cost = £ NIL

MF couple, Entrance cost = £ 20

MM couple, Entrance cost = £ 60

Whilst we accept that other socials are available, the above does show the disparities that exist in club pricing.

I am assuming by charging £'s the club is still looking to make the same (if not more) than it would on a regular weekend night and thus the social becomes more of a marketing tool for said club."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I think if your a couple, whatever the sex it should be the same set price.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs "

I totally! I'd happily pay to go to a club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"nope.... I think they should pay... the rest of us have to....

they use the facilities like the rest of us... they should have to contribute

if you are asking if they should pay as much... thats a different question"

This

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Should single women have to pay to go into swingers clubs ?

Ok so my thoughts are no x I would of thought clubs would do all they can to encourage single lady's , I have paid once but it was a event so I didn't mind x but in general I don't think so x

nope.... I think they should pay... the rest of us have to....

they use the facilities like the rest of us... they should have to contribute

if you are asking if they should pay as much... thats a different question"

I agree with you completely. I'd rather pay and then not feel the obligation to do something or someone i didn't really fancy. And before anyone says anything that's me saying obliged and nobody else.

If men should pay then so should women, equal rights and all that!

Julie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think every fet event we've ever been to has had men and women whether part of a couple or not paying the exact same admission. And while most clubs do a limited run on 2 for the price of 1 tickets these aren't limited to couples.

Not sure why it is so different on tge swinging scene

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would pay £ 5 or even £10 to use facilities like jacuzzi or nightclub type venues. Yes I agree I am using the facilities however I would not pay £60 yearly membership and then £30 each time i attend like some clubs charge to potentially be the only single fem in there. Nooooo way! The day it changes (if ever) is the day I stop going to clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In terms of 'fairness' it should be equal for single men/women. But it's not about being fair, it's business.

As an enticement it depends on who a club most wants to attract, and how far they want to go - discount for sex/beauty/sexual interests/conversational ability?.. But that's for a club themselves to decide. If people don't agree, they go elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would not pay the price single guys are asked to pay. I would just not go. I think it is very expensive much more so than a normal nightclub

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason single women dont pay is cos there are so few of them.. but yes they should pay a little bit lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would not pay the price single guys are asked to pay. I would just not go. I think it is very expensive much more so than a normal nightclub "
Thats why I never go to the clubs or swinger parties, to expensive

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

It's interesting I'd suggest you answer your own retort x the women would stop going ? Really ? I did not suggest or postulate that regular club goers who meet are not genuine .I suggested no more than a genuine person in it's most simple context meaning without alternative motive or justifications would be mature enough to want to be treated equally to men and not be happy with the squewed dynamic where men will pay for women. Genuine can mean honest and non manipulative. There because they would like to meet others and not just because it's cheap

I understand the supposed supply and demand that's why there are more lady prostitutes than men . That however does not make it just . If both sexes were charged £ 12 for example the genuine ladies you proudly illustrate would continue and proudly pay x

I will re iterate just because sex discrimination and anatomical discrimination is a human trait which has and is prevalent across the world does not a justification of its continuation argument make .

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By *rjandmrskCouple
over a year ago

West Dunbartonshire

Why should the rest of us have to pay and no single women. Everyone should pay. Mrs K x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone should pay the same. If you don't like it don't come. Simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

So we double the amount of men that go into a club. The number of women stays the same. However half those women feel uncomfortable at being followed every time they move so go to another club.The men complain it's a cock fest so don't go. Membership is down. Club runs at a loss and closes. Clubs are businesses. At the end of the day they are trying to make a profit. Clubs need to be single women friendly to survive. Like it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't suggest you double the number of single men. Just charge everyone the same. Why should anyone freeload?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we double the amount of men that go into a club. The number of women stays the same. However half those women feel uncomfortable at being followed every time they move so go to another club.The men complain it's a cock fest so don't go. Membership is down. Club runs at a loss and closes. Clubs are businesses. At the end of the day they are trying to make a profit. Clubs need to be single women friendly to survive. Like it or not."

Yep.

Also - two options:

1. Club A: Single men, £40 Single women £40

2. Club B: Single men, £50 Single women FREE

Which would most men go to?..

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

To be honest I wouldn't go if I had to. I'm a single mum of 2 and I feel guilty spending money on myself and certainly would feel even more so spending more to go to clubs. I'm sure many others would feel the same.

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never not paid at a club. I know it's usually cheaper then for a couple or single guy, but I don't think it should be free. I personally think there should be a flat rate for singles regardless of gender and women could pay a little more & men a little less to balance it all out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.. a club would go under if single men dont pay lol.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"I've never not paid at a club. I know it's usually cheaper then for a couple or single guy, but I don't think it should be free. I personally think there should be a flat rate for singles regardless of gender and women could pay a little more & men a little less to balance it all out.

Which club would be prepared to put it to the test though!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't suggest you double the number of single men. Just charge everyone the same. Why should anyone freeload? "

Yeh cos all us single fems are freeloaders.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

Your logic is awful women paying the same as men would not double the men lol you said yourself you thought female numbers would drop and then men . I suggested as the ladies who attend are genuine wanting the same as the men,they would indeed pay more .

Perhaps we should discus why women should pay more for a hair cut or why it's perfectly acceptable to charge a woman more for repairing her car ? Women should certainly be paid less than men because it's always been that way and some businesses would close if they paid women the same .

Clubs are entitled to make money this does not mean they should be immune to concepts of fairness between the sexes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women should certainly be paid less than men because it's always been that way and some businesses would close if they paid women the same .

WTF?

If I'm doing the same job as a man, why should I be paid less purely because I'm female.....can you explain that one to me please?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Sitting back now, and watching this all go downwards!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I wouldn't go if I had to. I'm a single mum of 2 and I feel guilty spending money on myself and certainly would feel even more so spending more to go to clubs. I'm sure many others would feel the same.

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

Clubs are entitled to make money this does not mean they should be immune to concepts of fairness between the sexes ? "

My logic is not awful. Single women bring business to clubs - a high proportion of couples and single men attend for single females. A club in the north tried to charge similar prices for single men and women. They changed that pretty sharpish! Fair or not it won't change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings. "

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The single female factor has a life of its own within the swinging community now and its interesting that the OP (and a few others since) think they deserve free entry to clubs when the rest of us have to pay.

I believe everyone should pay their own fair share when it comes to clubs but I also realise that like a worm on a hook Women are used within the club environment to draw in the couples and men and Men are used as the cash pinyata's (to most clubs).

It is the way it is and I doubt a few forum posts will change any attitudes but it is interesting to see that some folk are starting to believe they really do deserve the rewards that simply being a single member of their gender entails.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

Ah yes but when you bring the supply and demand equation into it, you do yourself a massive injustice because the supply is by the club and the demand is by those wanting a service, the paying customer...well if that ain't you then what are you? The supply...the commodity being sold...do you see where I'm going with this?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

What?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings. "

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now. "

That's just a silly reaction x if you cannot understand the subtleties of a reasoned philosophical point without jumping to a ridiculous conclusion then there is little hope for an articulate debate. You yourself hhave postulated clubs should use women to take more cash off men. From that point we are only discussing the renumeration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now. "

It's great to see male chauvinism is still alive and well in the male population of FAB.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont attend so am not interested either way.

However, the amount of posts that say equal opportunities!!!! Yeah right. When equal opportunities actually exist we should do the post again, which will be never

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

Clubs are entitled to make money this does not mean they should be immune to concepts of fairness between the sexes ? "

Just for clarification x I had hoped the sarcasm regarding women being paid less was evident . It seems not all understand sarcasm let it be clear I promote, campaign for and as an employer pay equal pay x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now.

Dress it up how you like. I totally understand what you are implying. Being paid by the club -prostitution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand sarcasm perfectly, your comment didn't come across as remotely sarcastic, it came across as your opinion.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now.

Dress it up how you like. I totally understand what you are implying. Being paid by the club -prostitution. "

You are the one repeatedly saying it is right that clubs use women who only come if cheap or free as bait to collect paying men x how others read your message has nothing to do with me x

On such a thread it is not wrong to philosophically regard the larger picture

I would not call any one of the ladies who are paid to promote clubs or who work there prostitutes x I think you are wrong to suggest it x that is perhaps a reflection of your opinion xx

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I understand sarcasm perfectly, your comment didn't come across as remotely sarcastic, it came across as your opinion.

Hence my clarification post x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand sarcasm perfectly, your comment didn't come across as remotely sarcastic, it came across as your opinion.

Hence my clarification post x"

Aww bless! as it was "blatantly sarcastic" surely there was no need for the clarification post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes single women should pay.

I'm quite happy with the amount I have been charged in the past to attend.

Now whether that is the same amount as a single man would pay is not my decision but the clubs.

As long as the price is okay with me I'll pay, if it's over the amount I'm comfortable with I won't go.

simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being very regular cub goers and not , as many who have posted , having no intention of attending again we feel the way it is works well .

What's the point of having an opinion when you don't have any intention of going ?

It would be futile having a club with no single women , so it's free or cheaper to entice them to attend .

If men who attend lapdancing clubs went and there were no dancers they wouldn't go again .

Same for clubs , successful clubs know the score .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whoever pays what ect, one way to look at it is how much would you pay on a regular night out.

Couples, single blokes, and ladies, I bet it amounts to double, to what you pay at a club.

It did for us yesterday, on a quiet Sunday afternoon.

Her

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

"Yes single women should pay.

I'm quite happy with the amount I have been charged in the past to attend.

Now whether that is the same amount as a single man would pay is not my decision but the clubs.

As long as the price is okay with me I'll pay, if it's over the amount I'm comfortable with I won't go.

simples

I have to agree...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness"

Fair enough. If you can't spare some money for you then don't come for free. I went without for enough years. Gave everything I had for my kids. Still do.

I'm not being nasty. Or personal. Just pisses me off when people start the single parent stuff. You wanted them. Work round it. Every one else does.

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By *amaraBeaverbankWoman
over a year ago

Benidorm Spain

"Yes single women should pay.

I'm quite happy with the amount I have been charged in the past to attend.

Now whether that is the same amount as a single man would pay is not my decision but the clubs.

As long as the price is okay with me I'll pay, if it's over the amount I'm comfortable with I won't go.

simples

Thats my opinion too. Happy to pay my way and if it cost me too much or I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't go.

Its all about choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes single women should pay.

I'm quite happy with the amount I have been charged in the past to attend.

Now whether that is the same amount as a single man would pay is not my decision but the clubs.

As long as the price is okay with me I'll pay, if it's over the amount I'm comfortable with I won't go.

simples

Thats my opinion too. Happy to pay my way and if it cost me too much or I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't go.

Its all about choice"

Fair enuf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread seems to bash the fact that single woman pay less than single men and yet we all seem to understand why.

Again I'll bring up the fact couples pay less than a single man. Well surely if a female should pay the same as a single male, a couple should pay the equivalent of the two added together.

Who's up for it?

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

Fair enough. If you can't spare some money for you then don't come for free. I went without for enough years. Gave everything I had for my kids. Still do.

I'm not being nasty. Or personal. Just pisses me off when people start the single parent stuff. You wanted them. Work round it. Every one else does. "

Why would I not go somewhere that I enjoy and doesn't leave me feeling guilty. This is a thread about single women going free ir paying less and I just said my thoughts on how I wouldn't go if it was more and you totally accused me of free loading. I work damn hard for everything I have and sacrifice a lot for my children and I have one thing I enjoy that doesn't leave me feeling guilty. I even feel guilty about going out for coffee with frinds. I have my loyalty card and get free one from time to time. But wait I better not take something that is free as I might be accused of free loading.

I've never in my life felt insulated so thanks for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not a single woman but if I were then I think I'd feel uncomfortable being admitted to a club for free... as if I was one of the 'facilities' on offer - or as 'bait' for the single guys and, tome some extent, couples who are seeking them.

I know single women aren't obliged to play with anyone at a club but to be allowed in for free almost implies that they 'pay' in kind just by being single and there.

A reduced fee is another matter (although even that seems unfair). Charging single women the same fee as single men would probably end up in an even bigger gender imbalance than there already is."

Totally agree with this, everyone should pay, however different fees for different people seems to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now.

Dress it up how you like. I totally understand what you are implying. Being paid by the club -prostitution.

You are the one repeatedly saying it is right that clubs use women who only come if cheap or free as bait to collect paying men x how others read your message has nothing to do with me x

On such a thread it is not wrong to philosophically regard the larger picture

I would not call any one of the ladies who are paid to promote clubs or who work there prostitutes x I think you are wrong to suggest it x that is perhaps a reflection of your opinion xx"

No mate I'm not the one calling women prostitutes. That was you that implied it and now trying to worm your way out of it. But then again you have attacked single parents as well. So as a single parent whore I'm outta here (that - my dear is sarcasm).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread seems to bash the fact that single woman pay less than single men and yet we all seem to understand why.

Again I'll bring up the fact couples pay less than a single man. Well surely if a female should pay the same as a single male, a couple should pay the equivalent of the two added together.

Who's up for it?

Makes perfect sense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes single women should pay.

I'm quite happy with the amount I have been charged in the past to attend.

Now whether that is the same amount as a single man would pay is not my decision but the clubs.

As long as the price is okay with me I'll pay, if it's over the amount I'm comfortable with I won't go.

simples

Thats my opinion too. Happy to pay my way and if it cost me too much or I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't go.

Its all about choice"

Absolutely hence I rarely go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

Fair enough. If you can't spare some money for you then don't come for free. I went without for enough years. Gave everything I had for my kids. Still do.

I'm not being nasty. Or personal. Just pisses me off when people start the single parent stuff. You wanted them. Work round it. Every one else does.

I've never in my life felt insulated so thanks for that "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

Fair enough. If you can't spare some money for you then don't come for free. I went without for enough years. Gave everything I had for my kids. Still do.

I'm not being nasty. Or personal. Just pisses me off when people start the single parent stuff. You wanted them. Work round it. Every one else does.

I've never in my life felt insulated so thanks for that "

A free coffee after paying for several is hardly the same. Everyone has the same encouragement to buy coffee in that case.

You were the one who brought up being a single parent as if that was a reason for you to get in for free.

Pretty much everyone with children makes sacrifices but it doesn't need to be a card we wave to get a discount. We all chose to have kids. We haven't done the world a massive favour by having them.

Going back to the original question; I just think everyone should pay their way. Singles and couples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the op was saying she deserved to get in free as she is a single parent.

Any good mother has a sense of guilt treating herself, as we look at it as an ongoing thing to provide for them.

I myself would not walk out of the door, if my daughter needed something, as I'm sure the op wouldn't, but the guilt does creep in, just for the smallest if treats to ourselves.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread seems to bash the fact that single woman pay less than single men and yet we all seem to understand why.

Again I'll bring up the fact couples pay less than a single man. Well surely if a female should pay the same as a single male, a couple should pay the equivalent of the two added together.

Who's up for it?

if that was how it was priced, then that we would make a decision to attend based on whether or not we could afford it and whether we enjoyed what we got for our money in terms of facilities and ambience...if we couldn't afford it, we wouldn't go...I'dl love an aston martin but until I can pay for one, you won't see me driving one. I'm not going to demand soneone gives me one for free because purely by the act of me driving one, they'll sell more...

I don't object to the economics of it, I'm just reminding some of the women here that when they start going on about supply and demand, they are missing the point and making themselves into a commodity that they are not supplying, someone else is reaping the benefits financially...

it was the apparent sense of entitlement of the OP that I was objecting to...why should we pay for the running and upkeep of somewhere she feels she shouldn't have to contribute towards purely by the fact that she thinks it should be provided for her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread seems to bash the fact that single woman pay less than single men and yet we all seem to understand why.

Again I'll bring up the fact couples pay less than a single man. Well surely if a female should pay the same as a single male, a couple should pay the equivalent of the two added together.

Who's up for it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems that clubs regard people in'quotas' so many couples, so many singles allowed. If they are monitoring the people they allow in by gender or status why do they also have to apply different charges? One club I have been to has a social Sunday and everyone pays the same.

Most people know they are going to a club before they attend. Could clubs book people in and regulate the numbers of single males that way instead of charging them silly money to get in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems that clubs regard people in'quotas' so many couples, so many singles allowed. If they are monitoring the people they allow in by gender or status why do they also have to apply different charges? One club I have been to has a social Sunday and everyone pays the same.

Most people know they are going to a club before they attend. Could clubs book people in and regulate the numbers of single males that way instead of charging them silly money to get in?"
I agree, I have always had a bit of niggle why single males have to pay more.

I'm not sure myself what I think of single females paying little or nothing.

But looking on the other side of the coin, if we all went to a nightclub, we would have to queue and pay the same entrance fee.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread seems to bash the fact that single woman pay less than single men and yet we all seem to understand why.

Again I'll bring up the fact couples pay less than a single man. Well surely if a female should pay the same as a single male, a couple should pay the equivalent of the two added together.

Who's up for it?

I didn't read the OP seeing a sense of entitlement but that's the problem with a small body of text, it's only a small part of communication and is often interpreted differently to its intention.

Back to the couples issue, I know of many men who use a woman to get into a club for reduced fees. This woman then pays nothing but is she freeloading or doing the guy a favour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think the op was saying she deserved to get in free as she is a single parent.

Any good mother has a sense of guilt treating herself, as we look at it as an ongoing thing to provide for them.

I myself would not walk out of the door, if my daughter needed something, as I'm sure the op wouldn't, but the guilt does creep in, just for the smallest if treats to ourselves.

Her"

The op never mentioned being a single parent.

As for "any good mother"; surely that should read "any good parent"?

Not many parents would choose for their kids to go without so we could go off and enjoy ourselves.

Sorry if I have offended but I fail to see why being a single parent or a mother has any relevance to wether ladies should pay or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think the op was saying she deserved to get in free as she is a single parent.

Any good mother has a sense of guilt treating herself, as we look at it as an ongoing thing to provide for them.

I myself would not walk out of the door, if my daughter needed something, as I'm sure the op wouldn't, but the guilt does creep in, just for the smallest if treats to ourselves.

Her

The op never mentioned being a single parent.

As for "any good mother"; surely that should read "any good parent"?

Not many parents would choose for their kids to go without so we could go off and enjoy ourselves.

Sorry if I have offended but I fail to see why being a single parent or a mother has any relevance to wether ladies should pay or not.

I think it's clear as to why females and couples get in cheap or for free. At the end of the day, if one club is free for ladies and another charges then it will definitely have an effect on which club gets more female attendance. "
I was receding to the op and myself as being mothers. As in percific and of course any " good parent" would put their child first.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But looking on the other side of the coin, if we all went to a nightclub, we would have to queue and pay the same entrance fee.

Her"

Many night clubs I've been to give girls a reduced entrance fee or a free drink/s once they get in there, for the exact same reason as swing clubs do. To encourage them to go in, thus then encouraging more guys to go in.

Whilst I don't agree with it, it does make good business sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think the op was saying she deserved to get in free as she is a single parent.

Any good mother has a sense of guilt treating herself, as we look at it as an ongoing thing to provide for them.

I myself would not walk out of the door, if my daughter needed something, as I'm sure the op wouldn't, but the guilt does creep in, just for the smallest if treats to ourselves.

Her

The op never mentioned being a single parent.

As for "any good mother"; surely that should read "any good parent"?

Not many parents would choose for their kids to go without so we could go off and enjoy ourselves.

Sorry if I have offended but I fail to see why being a single parent or a mother has any relevance to wether ladies should pay or not.

I think it's clear as to why females and couples get in cheap or for free. At the end of the day, if one club is free for ladies and another charges then it will definitely have an effect on which club gets more female attendance. I was receding to the op and myself as being mothers. As in percific and of course any " good parent" would put their child first.

Her"

I guess you must know the op personally then.... She didn't mention being a mother in her posts or in her profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness"

I was thinking the same! No need whatsoever and uncalled for!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think the op was saying she deserved to get in free as she is a single parent.

Any good mother has a sense of guilt treating herself, as we look at it as an ongoing thing to provide for them.

I myself would not walk out of the door, if my daughter needed something, as I'm sure the op wouldn't, but the guilt does creep in, just for the smallest if treats to ourselves.

Her

The op never mentioned being a single parent.

As for "any good mother"; surely that should read "any good parent"?

Not many parents would choose for their kids to go without so we could go off and enjoy ourselves.

Sorry if I have offended but I fail to see why being a single parent or a mother has any relevance to wether ladies should pay or not.

I think it's clear as to why females and couples get in cheap or for free. At the end of the day, if one club is free for ladies and another charges then it will definitely have an effect on which club gets more female attendance. I was receding to the op and myself as being mothers. As in percific and of course any " good parent" would put their child first.

Her

I guess you must know the op personally then.... She didn't mention being a mother in her posts or in her profile.

"
I have met her yes, and spoken about her children.

Her

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

Fair enough. If you can't spare some money for you then don't come for free. I went without for enough years. Gave everything I had for my kids. Still do.

I'm not being nasty. Or personal. Just pisses me off when people start the single parent stuff. You wanted them. Work round it. Every one else does.

I've never in my life felt insulated so thanks for that

A free coffee after paying for several is hardly the same. Everyone has the same encouragement to buy coffee in that case.

You were the one who brought up being a single parent as if that was a reason for you to get in for free.

Pretty much everyone with children makes sacrifices but it doesn't need to be a card we wave to get a discount. We all chose to have kids. We haven't done the world a massive favour by having them.

Going back to the original question; I just think everyone should pay their way. Singles and couples. "

You totally miss my point.

I choose to go just like everyone else does. My reasons for going are that I don't have to take money better spent on my children.

In my personal life I choose to go to bars before they start to chsrge entry. I choose bars that are less expensive. I no longer spend thousands each year on clothes shoes and bags. Plus I choose to go to the clubs that do not charge or charge very little.

I choose this things because of my children. Parent card not being waved as an excuse but my reason for my choice. Just like you have a choice not to insult me and try to make me feel stupid. You don't have to go to these places if the price structure bothers you.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

Besides it brings in more ladies which in turn equates to more men.

There for it makes the clubs more money.

Big fuckin deal. I was a single parent of two too. Had the first from 16 months when's wife left and never paid maintenance.

Had my second from 4 yrs. no maintenance.

I never expected to freeload.

Grrrr don't pull the single parent poor me strings.

I don't freeload I just don't like spending money on myself that is better spent on my kids as it makes me feel guilty.

Not pulling any poor me strings and there is no need to get personal. What's the point in nastiness

I was thinking the same! No need whatsoever and uncalled for!

Thank you for your defence. Was starting to think that I suddenly became sensitive to such things when it's not in my nature to feel victimised or bullied

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs "

I have to say I agree with this - women so often say they want to be treated equally and with respect etc... (which in my opinion they should be) but they often want men to pay for everything when out together - which in this case means subsidising them at swingers clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are in total agreement with Ladygarden here .

Why on earth was there any need to be nasty by implying she was playing the single parent card ?

Absolutely uncalled for .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are in total agreement with Ladygarden here .

Why on earth was there any need to be nasty by implying she was playing the single parent card ?

Absolutely uncalled for .

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By *uy4couplesMan
over a year ago

south kent

i have been to some clubs where the lady doesn't pay to get in, to find they sit back all evening chatting to other women in the corner and not entertaining the guys, or joining in, it might as well be a mothers meeting. so yes i think they should pay.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Woman always want equal opportunities so yes they should pay

Equal pay

Equal rights

Equal pay to get into clubs

i have never expected to be subsidised ever, and i would be prepared to pay the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i have been to some clubs where the lady doesn't pay to get in, to find they sit back all evening chatting to other women in the corner and not entertaining the guys, or joining in, it might as well be a mothers meeting. so yes i think they should pay.

Oh dear , this opinion does nothing but harm the potential for more singles to try clubs .

Could we point out that we certainly don't expect to be entertained by the single girls or anyone else come to that .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok let's back it up a bit. Sorry for offending you. I get hot under the collar as soon as people mention their single parent situation as I'm fed up with hearing it used as an excuse for things.

You explained your situation and that it means you choose to go to places that cost less. Fair enough.

A large proportion of the population make decisions based on price, value for money etc and it seems unfair to offer a discount to some of that population just because of their gender.

As part of a couple I get a discount as do I if I go alone as I dress as a tv.

I'm not going to suddenly offer to pay more on principle. I'm not as stupid as I first appear.

However, I see single guys paying a fortune and see it as unfair in this world of supposed equal.

Morally I think everyone should pay the same but I completely understand why clubs do this. Basically because other clubs do and if they didn't they would be empty.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

I've only been to three clubs in the northwest and had to pay to get into two of them which didn't bother me at all...doesn't make a difference whether I have to pay or not to get into a club cos it's usually no more than £10

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear , this opinion does nothing but harm the potential for more singles to try clubs .

Could we point out that we certainly don't expect to be entertained by the single girls or anyone else come to that .

So women at clubs should be 'entertaining' the men??! Nice.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

"Ok let's back it up a bit. Sorry for offending you. I get hot under the collar as soon as people mention their single parent situation as I'm fed up with hearing it used as an excuse for things.

You explained your situation and that it means you choose to go to places that cost less. Fair enough.

A large proportion of the population make decisions based on price, value for money etc and it seems unfair to offer a discount to some of that population just because of their gender.

As part of a couple I get a discount as do I if I go alone as I dress as a tv.

I'm not going to suddenly offer to pay more on principle. I'm not as stupid as I first appear.

However, I see single guys paying a fortune and see it as unfair in this world of supposed equal.

Morally I think everyone should pay the same but I completely understand why clubs do this. Basically because other clubs do and if they didn't they would be empty. "

Wasn't in the slightest using being a single parent as an excuse. It is my reason for my choices. In what world is my choice an excuse as you put it.

You say sorry but yhen continue with your rant of me using them as an excuse. That therefore in my opinion nullifies your apology

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

"We are in total agreement with Ladygarden here .

Why on earth was there any need to be nasty by implying she was playing the single parent card ?

Absolutely uncalled for .

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing I'm finding interesting is a couple of the comments are from people who arnt site supporters there fore are using this site for free but are adamant about paying lol

Not entirely sure what that's got to do with it...we all get the same basic service it's extras we pay for..

I agree with both sides of the arguement (fence sitter lol) and im an accountant so i agree with the overheads arguement. However, pubs do not charge to sit at the bar only for what you consume which is the same for ladies at a club. I believe frim discussions with managers that the high price for guys is to discourage them so they dont have a large volume of single guys which keeps a better balance. Lets face it regardless how far women have come with their sexual awareness the percentage on single women willing to venture into a club alone is a lot lower than single men. Hell most of them cant even go to the toilet alone lol

I also wouldn't be happy to be used as bait by club owners to get the more heavily paying punters through the door"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn't in the slightest using being a single parent as an excuse. It is my reason for my choices. In what world is my choice an excuse as you put it.

You say sorry but yhen continue with your rant of me using them as an excuse. That therefore in my opinion nullifies your apology "

Reread what I wrote. Perhaps I should have put it in two posts for clarity.

I apologised. Said I understood that you chose the cheaper option because of your situation. I then said "fair enough".

I then moved onto addressing the OP's original content. I didn't continue with a rant at you.

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By *ungle-FeverCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Bristol/Gloucester

"I think single women should pay. As to pricing for single women and men - it's basic supply and demand economics pricing.."

This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But looking on the other side of the coin, if we all went to a nightclub, we would have to queue and pay the same entrance fee.

Her

Whilst I don't agree with it, it does make good business sense.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

A small extra point to add to this thread...

I also have taken a few playmates to clubs who would not have tried them without me to take them, that in itself has brough extra revenue, at the door and the bar and in the club hotel too.

I have also recommended clubs to single platonic male friends who have then joined and attend.

A few of my playmates have then joined and attend as a single man sometimes or with me... This means that there is an extra stream of revenue for the business too.

I re-iterate that I'm happy to pay for the clubs I go to, and pay half of the couples rate even when that is more than the single lady rate if I am going as a couple, if I can't afford it I don't go.. Just the same as anywhere.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

I'm done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Entertaining the guys? Seriously?

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

What I don't understand in all this (the pricing) is why some venues charge single men double the couples rate.

I asked one organiser, and the reply was "We put food on" to which I said "So the single guy eats twice the amount of food both halves of the couple do??"

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

Entertaining the guys? Seriously?

That's what I thought - since when was any single woman entitled free entry so long as she "entertains the guys" as implied... or did I read that wrong?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I just go with the flow. Get charged? I pay. Get in for free? Well thank you very much. Its not up to me what route the club takes, although I will avoid clubs where single men are restricted/charged so much they don't bother attending. But blaming customers for club policy is disingenuous. If you object, vote with your feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I don't understand in all this (the pricing) is why some venues charge single men double the couples rate.

I asked one organiser, and the reply was "We put food on" to which I said "So the single guy eats twice the amount of food both halves of the couple do??""

Yea but you have to keep your strength up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just go with the flow. Get charged? I pay. Get in for free? Well thank you very much. Its not up to me what route the club takes, although I will avoid clubs where single men are restricted/charged so much they don't bother attending. But blaming customers for club policy is disingenuous. If you object, vote with your feet."

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By *am789Man
over a year ago

Preston

I'd pay double to go to any club you were in.

Phil xxx

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Milan, Italy

I have been wanting to say something but as there is not an easy answer to this… I have resisted until today

Behind every marketing strategy, there has to be a physiological backing or any business could not survive on dreams alone. Sex is unique as more than anything else bring us back to the “Animal Kingdom” and/or the “Law of the Jungle”, in other words if there was not lust it would constitute in the extension of species including human being and therefore the end of the world as we know it!

Of course we all know that women can take more fucking than men, not only that but it has been medically proven that different type of sperm in the vagina can increase fertilization of the egg as if it would trigger some sort of competition. By all means Sex is NOT a 21st century invention, and group fun it has always been the absolute best kind of entertainment and the most beautiful enjoyment in life since the beginning. It’s healthy, it’s a natural instinct it’s a lifestyle

Evolution has brought about civilization and both Religion and the Male Dominated Society has imposed unnatural rules so called “morality” in order to keep under control the sexual power of a woman. In the middle ages they would call Libertine women Witches so they would burn them. Sure this was very brutal, but in some parts of the world even TODAY they are still practicing barbaric rituals such as FGM (female genital mutilation) performed against a woman’s will, to remove them from any pleasure that comes from having sex. Hell-o?

We are so fortunate to be born in Europe. We have gone thru the Hippy Movement, the anti-war slogans “Make Love Not War” and/or “Put Flowers in your Cannons” than the Feminism Movement which was a little extreme way to emanate Women’s Liberation but perhaps it was a necessary step as a provocation in the society at the time.

Today women have reached their sexual parity; they can be respected for their talent, career and professionalism, however in our inner self there would always be our basic animalistic instinct that once in the bedroom women want a Dominant Alpha Male and a Men are naturally more virile with a Submissive woman because this is nothing more or nothing less the “law of the jungle” and we will never change this in a million years. But how do you control all this in a swinger club and in our modern society?

While I agree that single women attend clubs for exactly the same reasons as single men, and “ideally” they should pay equally… it does not quite work like that in the swinging scene. For centuries society has been fabricated in such a way that it’s ok for men to fuck around, (actually they can flaunt it) while women are considered sluts if they do the same!

Couples paying less than single guys? Well think about it, a couple who have been together for a long time, have to come to term (above everything else) and compromise with the fact that they are going to share one another with other “presumably” like-minded people, which from the male partner point of _iew should be highly respected and not ridiculed as some single guys do!!!

The price structure in Clubs has to take into consideration this stigma in the so called “normal world” as a protection if not an encouragement for the enjoyment of most.

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By *r TieMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Women should pay but should get 2 free drinks. If the club only earns money from guys, its less money going back in to improve the club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think everybody should pay the same, single blokes and single women, and couples?

When I go to my local club I pay on a sat night, but it is free on all the other nights, but thats the clubs rule not my rule........I would be prepared to pay more If I had too!!"
i have to agree with this post, everyone is there for same reason and use the same club so why should prices be differant, the locial reason is woman and couples attract the men in so they go for cheaper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine all those happy communist blokes sitting in a club full of sausage whinging about the reason why there's no/few women or couples in. That's the reality, who wants a club full of single sausage? I (male) am bi but wouldn't want that ! Too many guys can sometimes ruin it, some guys conga after you the main they spot a female, they wait till the male disappears to make a move, grope without permission. Note I say some males. Some couples etc can be the same. Fewer women or couples will result in a catch 22 till less and less go. If you font like the structure don't go. Simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

Clubs are entitled to make money this does not mean they should be immune to concepts of fairness between the sexes ? "

Are you serious??? I cannot believe what I've just read!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have been wanting to say something but as there is not an easy answer to this… I have resisted until today

The price structure in Clubs has to take into consideration this stigma in the so called “normal world” as a protection if not an encouragement for the enjoyment of most.

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am happy to pay what a guy would pay personally when its less its almost like you are getting in with a discount for being fucked and I don't want payment for sex.

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By *picyminxWoman
over a year ago

Huntingdon

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

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By *igco51Man
over a year ago

lockerbie

"I can't think of any other private company that allows customers to pay nothing to use their services. Why should swinging clubs be any different?"

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Milan, Italy

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp"

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

You see when you go to a sex club, it’s not like going to the zoo where you expect to see the lions or going to the cinema expecting to watch a film as it’s mistakenly compared with in another parallel topic “Do you expect sex at clubs?” such clubs provide a place for libertine people, to mingle and get to know other like-minded people and should they click they can use the facilities to carry out “consensual sex” but it should not be expected as part of your entrance fees simply because there is not such a performance to an audience, but are in fact the actual participants, who create by themselves, their own entertainment. The moment you enter a Sex Club you enter a virtual world leaving the “normal” life behind you… just outside the front door of the Club.

In other words the admittedly “unfair” price structure in Sex Clubs is to bring a balance to this physiological stigma imposed by the society. Some women are coming more open with their own sexuality and can be more confident than other, but the majority of single girls are still physiologically worried that it is wrong to openly make themselves available to many other partners of the opposite sex and it only takes one disrespectful single guy to bring back some insecurity to a woman.

Reducing the number of single guys in order to increase the number of single girls in Clubs is the only way and if I may add in addition to the price structure more policing should be maintained so that any inappropriate behaviour should result in politely asking those people to leave for the benefit of most.

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By *endezvous4funMan
over a year ago

Ramsgate

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By *endezvous4funMan
over a year ago

Ramsgate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Misogynism at its best. Has this individual even thought about approaching the women or is he so unattractive women will only play with him BECAUSE they do not pay?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, misogyny, of course!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women should pay exactly the same . No genuine women should want or expect men to subsidise them ?

I think you are exactly right xx

Where is the line between the lady having reduced rates and the club paying her x?

So now we all prostitutes!! Some lovely opinions coming out now.

Dress it up how you like. I totally understand what you are implying. Being paid by the club -prostitution. "

Slowly bangs head against wall!!!

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

Not too patronising to single women?

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Milan, Italy

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

Not too patronising to single women?

No more no less stating the facts on how it is

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

Not too patronising to single women?

No more no less stating the facts on how it is

"the majority of single girls are still physiologically worried that it is wrong to openly make themselves available to many other partners of the opposite sex and it only takes one disrespectful single guy to bring back some insecurity to a woman."

I'd be wary of using words like 'majority'.

I'm pretty sure most single women both on Fab and those that frequent swingers clubs (not sex clubs as you state) aren't worried about any psychological (not physiological) issues regarding sex with multiple partners - else why would they be in this lifestyle?

Labelling them as insecure is a tad insulting. You see far more forum threads and status updates from single guys expressing worries about visiting a club alone - so who is in fact the more insecure?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

I still dont see how that answers the original question which was should single Women pay, I cannot see where the Psychological well being of anyone who goes to a swingers club comes into it,Single women like everyone else goes to a swingers club of their own free will and for their own reasons.

You want to enter you pay something, You dont want to pay you dont enter..simples really innit.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason they dont make women pay is cos if they made women pay to get in it would be empty and be more like a gay bar lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if the formula works for the clubs, then who's to argue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't think of any other private company that allows customers to pay nothing to use their services. Why should swinging clubs be any different?

My husband used to get free entry to nightclubs etc. in his younger sporty days. There are plenty of similar examples if you think hard enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A nicely written condensed history of human sexuality but it doesn't really address the question does it

Gimp

Really? I would have thought that this explains precisely the price structure in Clubs and the reason why women pay considerably less or nothing at all at the discretion of Clubs owners.

Not too patronising to single women?

No more no less stating the facts on how it is

Facts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reason they dont make women pay is cos if they made women pay to get in it would be empty and be more like a gay bar lol."

A club full of single women.... instead of a club full of single men.

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