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"Start what you like ...just be prepared for a riot  "Well i like to know what riot started when a friend of mine started the bmfc... | |||
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"Shouldn't that be BBWWFC then? I'm confuzzled!  "Me too. Think the OP needs to put further detail. Personally, I'm not a fan of any of these nights and preferences should remain personal but live and let live. | |||
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"Shouldn't that be BBWWFC then? I'm confuzzled! "Careful BBW will confuse people and the size police may shut it down. Why can't it just be a swingers social.....everyone welcome regardless colour, orientation, sex & size? | |||
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"What does wmfc mean? "I was wondering that very same thing ... | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys ..bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social" So BMFC and WMFC I get - in as such as I understand the acronym (not agree with the concept or need for specific groups!). But I can't work out what your new one stands for? | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social" Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...  | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ... "Every woman is beautiful ... | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ..."So essentially you could change the acronym from "BWFC" to "EVERYONE" - which basicially stands for....erm.....everyone! | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ...
So essentially you could change the acronym from "BWFC" to "EVERYONE" - which basicially stands for....erm.....everyone! " | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ...
So essentially you could change the acronym from "BWFC" to "EVERYONE" - which basicially stands for....erm.....everyone!
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".as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ...
So essentially you could change the acronym from "BWFC" to "EVERYONE" - which basicially stands for....erm.....everyone!
I could ....lol we see " | |||
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"....as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black and white women.... Its for women who adore wmfc ...bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social." I'm confused too. You've probably highlighted the problem with groups based on classification of human beings. Not sure if that is intentional. | |||
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"All this bmfc, wmfc and now bwfc equals segregation, swear they're should be just one fan club for just different, cultural ethnicities and done with it else your just trying to cater for everyone preference and someone will end up saying we've been left out...." I agree! If I went anywhere and was refused entry based on my race and posted it on forum a lot of people will be outraged. I don't understand how segregation has legitimately crept into swinging. People can choose who they have fun with without the additional filter of a door entry policy. What next? Skinny people fun club for those under size 10? Blondes fun club? I wonder whether bmfc and bbw groups were set up to counter some societal 'disadvantages' but two wrongs never make a right. | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ..."I beg to differ  | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social" To be honest I love cock 100% but it's the persons personality that would get me going 
P.s I'm an average looking Black woman, but will turn into a swan when I find the one | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social To be honest I love cock 100% but it's the persons personality that would get me going
P.s I'm an average looking Black woman, but will turn into a swan when I find the one "Lol dont we all ....hun  | |||
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"Killed off by the internet and keyless ignition on cars ! " Well front door keys then, tee hee If someone organised one of them I would be there. | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ... "Yep: munters of any colour not welcome. | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social Beautiful black women - and beautiful white women? So basically - beautiful women in general who like white men. okay ...
Every woman is beautiful ..."No, they're not! | |||
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"Killed off by the internet and keyless ignition on cars ! Well front door keys then, tee hee If someone organised one of them I would be there. "I have as many keys as you would like; keep you busy for hours ! | |||
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"Killed off by the internet and keyless ignition on cars ! Well front door keys then, tee hee If someone organised one of them I would be there.
I have as many keys as you would like; keep you busy for hours !"Well it was your ring I was aiming for | |||
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".as there is a group called wmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black women.... who adore white guys .....and white women are also welcome .. Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social" Hang on, everyone slow down.. there's (now) a WMFC ? I thought that concept was only thrown 2 days ago? | |||
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"Killed off by the internet and keyless ignition on cars ! Well front door keys then, tee hee If someone organised one of them I would be there.
I have as many keys as you would like; keep you busy for hours !
Well it was your ring I was aiming for "I have just deleted the original reply, not sure forums are the place for it (so I will resist) ! | |||
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"We get the point entirely." I can see why you do ! | |||
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"Killed off by the internet and keyless ignition on cars ! Well front door keys then, tee hee If someone organised one of them I would be there. "I suggested this to a certain 'group of people' a while back. First, they didn't understand how it worked (jeeeeez!) and then, when the penny dropped that you went off with the person who owned the keys you picked, all the objections flooded out! I wondered why they were soooo picky until I realised, like an earlier comment said, the internet has brought in so many 'preferences' and 'likes/dislkes' and the essence of what Swinging once was has been clouded or lost along the way... be very hard to have a 60's/70's style key party in the way it used to be these days. Pity though.... ted. | |||
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"....as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black and white women.... Its for women who adore wmfc ...bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social." Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! | |||
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"....as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black and white women.... Its for women who adore wmfc ...bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social. Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! " You started it? Fair play to you. | |||
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"....as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black and white women.... Its for women who adore wmfc ...bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social. Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! " Thank you hun | |||
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"....as there is a group called bmfc ...i want to start one up for us beautiful black and white women.... Its for women who adore wmfc ...bi women are also welcome as well...and there will a loophole for some black guys Ive got approval from a few clubs to host a social. Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! Thank you hun "This will be the last one ... | |||
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" Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! " As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive. | |||
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" Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." Replace black with bbw, tv etc, would you still feel the same? | |||
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" Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." Replace "black guys"/"women seeking black guys" with "couples seeking couples", then ask the question "does a single guy have legitimate reason to feel left out/excluded"? No one can dictate who to play with or not (ie, suggesting women who are attratced to black guys, set aside their preference inorder to keep a non-black guy happy). Likewise no one can suggest to a women who only wants white guys that she has to ignore her tastes to keep a black guy happy. I don't see what the confusion is. Preference wins. | |||
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"I have never been to a BMFC night, and I probably never will - reason- I am male white and not into black men. Doesn't mean that I think they should be banned or discouraged; let the people that enjoy them go and have fun. We are all different, and I take from swinging what I want and leave what I don't for the people that do. " People will always question anything they feel "excluded" by, as though they have a sense of "entitlement".. forgetting that they themselves have preferences that they want respected. They way I see it, whether BMFC or BWFC.. for anyone that says "this should be about inclusion not exclusion" I say "Fine - you get rid of your preference first, and I'll get rid of mine" | |||
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"I have never been to a BMFC night, and I probably never will - reason- I am male white and not into black men. Doesn't mean that I think they should be banned or discouraged; let the people that enjoy them go and have fun. We are all different, and I take from swinging what I want and leave what I don't for the people that do. People will always question anything they feel "excluded" by, as though they have a sense of "entitlement".. forgetting that they themselves have preferences that they want respected. They way I see it, whether BMFC or BWFC.. for anyone that says "this should be about inclusion not exclusion" I say "Fine - you get rid of your preference first, and I'll get rid of mine"" | |||
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" "Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." Replace black with bbw, tv etc, would you still feel the same? " You can have white or black tv's and bbws, on those nights they allow people in who aren't bbws or tv's and don't make others feel they can't attend based on something they can't change... Their skin colour. Have said before, if a vanilla night club hosted a night for black men only, or vice versa, it would probably be closed down or at the very least fined. A more inclusive social/club night policy is what is needed. This way, everyone can go to a club or social, knowing that every time they go, they can find a variety of people (differing sexes, sexualities and ethnicities) and not find themselves singled out, or feel they can't find what they were looking for. | |||
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" Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... And you are speacking from personel experience are you? .. Have you ever attended one of my parties?? ... Trust me, we DO get single white guys and white partners attend every single event, and NOT ONE has EVER felt excluded, inferior or segregated .. I know you would prefer to think otherwise, but if there wasn't a need for BMFC parties then I wouldn't get an average of 600+ guests every month!! | |||
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"You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." Im sick of this and have to say something....... Any interracial party is, for females that prefer the company of black men not white. Knowing this why would a "white Man" take offence that no-one wants to play with them. This is not the hosts problem. This is not Helen or any other hosts problem, you know what the party is about, so I take it the these individuals think they are the exception..... and this is through experience...  | |||
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"You can have white or black tv's and bbws, on those nights they allow people in who aren't bbws or tv's and don't make others feel they can't attend based on something they can't change... Their skin colour. Have said before, if a vanilla night club hosted a night for black men only, or vice versa, it would probably be closed down or at the very least fined. A more inclusive social/club night policy is what is needed. This way, everyone can go to a club or social, knowing that every time they go, they can find a variety of people (differing sexes, sexualities and ethnicities) and not find themselves singled out, or feel they can't find what they were looking for." Hang on... a vanilla night club is an entertainment venue offering people a place to enjoy music and dancing (the basics of it) thats is! Any vanilla night club that wants any form of exclusitivity usually has a membership process .. otherwise ANYONE not on that list gets "excluded". A swinging social/party/venue on the other hand can have a get together of any form, however is NOT responsible for who plays with who, nor who chooses NOT to play with who - that is upto the individual(s) concerned.. usually based on either their mood or (dare I say it) their preference. So, your comparison of vanilla clubs to swing parties is totally wrong. If anything, you sound like you suggest that "these people daring not to play with white guys, how dare they?" Lets do it this way - your profile says you're not actively seeking single guys. Let me guess why.. your preference? Also you're only seeking 18-46 and no one outside that.. isn't that actively excluding? but wait.. you have that as your preference!
So I can only guess you're suggesting you have a right to your preference, but if anyone has a preference that excludes you, then that has to be gotten rid of. | |||
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" "Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive." Replace black with bbw, tv etc, would you still feel the same? You can have white or black tv's and bbws, on those nights they allow people in who aren't bbws or tv's and don't make others feel they can't attend based on something they can't change... Their skin colour. Have said before, if a vanilla night club hosted a night for black men only, or vice versa, it would probably be closed down or at the very least fined. A more inclusive social/club night policy is what is needed. This way, everyone can go to a club or social, knowing that every time they go, they can find a variety of people (differing sexes, sexualities and ethnicities) and not find themselves singled out, or feel they can't find what they were looking for." | |||
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"You can have white or black tv's and bbws, on those nights they allow people in who aren't bbws or tv's and don't make others feel they can't attend based on something they can't change... Their skin colour. Have said before, if a vanilla night club hosted a night for black men only, or vice versa, it would probably be closed down or at the very least fined. A more inclusive social/club night policy is what is needed. This way, everyone can go to a club or social, knowing that every time they go, they can find a variety of people (differing sexes, sexualities and ethnicities) and not find themselves singled out, or feel they can't find what they were looking for. Hang on... a vanilla night club is an entertainment venue offering people a place to enjoy music and dancing (the basics of it) thats is! Any vanilla night club that wants any form of exclusitivity usually has a membership process .. otherwise ANYONE not on that list gets "excluded". A swinging social/party/venue on the other hand can have a get together of any form, however is NOT responsible for who plays with who, nor who chooses NOT to play with who - that is upto the individual(s) concerned.. usually based on either their mood or (dare I say it) their preference. So, your comparison of vanilla clubs to swing parties is totally wrong. If anything, you sound like you suggest that "these people daring not to play with white guys, how dare they?" Lets do it this way - your profile says you're not actively seeking single guys. Let me guess why.. your preference? Also you're only seeking 18-46 and no one outside that.. isn't that actively excluding? but wait.. you have that as your preference!
So I can only guess you're suggesting you have a right to your preference, but if anyone has a preference that excludes you, then that has to be gotten rid of." Quite a few with that mindset. | |||
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" Just be careful that all these discussions don't bore people (or worse still annoy people) too much Remember, when i started up the BMFC 8+ years ago, there was NOTHING like it out there at all ... It was UNIQUE and addressed the lack of opportunities for Black Guys to get involved in this lifestyle and gave them opportunities to attend Swinging Clubs with other likeminded adults and ladies who were actually attracted to them Just ensure that all of your t's are crossed and your i's are dotted as people will be waiting in the sidelines to find fault in what you are doing and how you are doing it ... And once again, for the record the BMFC will NEVER refuse admission to ANYONE based on the colour of your skin (as clearly stated on the BMFC website)!! As i said in a previous post - good luck as it is a very rocky road ahead of you and this is only the start of it!! As clearly stated on the website - "The BMFC hosts Adult parties specifically organised for ladies and couples who appreciate the 'extras' that Black Guys bring and for the Black Guys who enjoy being appreciated. for the avoidance of doubt, entry is open to all regardless of colour or race. However, the ethos of the party is ladies who like black men so, if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you may find nobody taking much playful interest in you ." You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... Socials should be for all and not cause segregation, instead of hosting these sort of nights clubs and social organisers should be trying to make nights/parties more multi-ethnic and inclusive. You may allow entry for all, but you do do your best to make white guys feel inferior and unwanted... Not possessing the "extras that black guys have", and no one showing white guys interest... And you are speacking from personel experience are you? .. Have you ever attended one of my parties?? ... Trust me, we DO get single white guys and white partners attend every single event, and NOT ONE has EVER felt excluded, inferior or segregated .. I know you would prefer to think otherwise, but if there wasn't a need for BMFC parties then I wouldn't get an average of 600+ guests every month!!" Someone earlier in the previous thread that was closed for being to long, who has actually been had stated they felt excluded. The very wording of the website would give us the impression that, although you will allow white men to attend, it is more a matter of not being seen to discriminate then actually wanting them there... | |||
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*Again, this is not that we wouldn't meet or chat or socialise with older people, if didn't we'd block them. At 46 someone would be old enough to be mrs2's parents that and perhaps not having things in common is why we prefer to meet within the age range, however we have and can met older*
So I can only guess you're suggesting you have a right to your preference, but if anyone has a preference that excludes you, then that has to be gotten rid of.
*Nope wrong again, if anyone doesn't want to meet us that's up to them, it's their choice, we wouldn't even message them like some on here asking why and bleating on that we are different. What is wrong with Bmfc and wmfc and Bwfc is that they take away choice by stopping people from attending (or making them feel that they would be unwelcome or uncomfortable if they did.)
It should be about inclusivity not exclusivity.
When we have arranged socials in Birmingham on broad street, we have had white, black, Asian, men, women, couples, 18-30's, over 30's, over 40's over 50's, straight, bi and gay all attend without anyone feeling they could not attend or feeling unwelcome.* | |||
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" Someone earlier in the previous thread that was closed for being to long, who has actually been had stated they felt excluded. The very wording of the website would give us the impression that, although you will allow white men to attend, it is more a matter of not being seen to discriminate then actually wanting them there..."
I think you will find that the thread was closed due to the topic being hijacked (which has happened yet again) ...
As for the man in question, I would love him to contact me personally to discuss when and where he attended so that I can look into the issue ..
I make it my business to attend ever party (I've missed about 10 over the 8+ years) so I'm always available for any guests that have any issues ..
I say what I do on my website to ensure that all non Black guys manage their expectations ..
Its not my responsibility to 'orchestrate play' at my parties, but it IS my responsibility to target the right people so that guests can mingle with like-minded adults ..
The rest is up to them, but put a group of non Black guys there and they probably wouldn't get much attention ..
Is that wrong? .. No, its preference
Is it racist? .. No its preference ..
Is this topic boring? .. Yes it most certainly is!! .. | |||
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"Actually the original post on this thread wasn't boring at all, it was someone suggesting starting a BWFC for white men who admire black ladies and black ladies who admire white men... It was the hijacking of the thread by people with other agendas which got boring. I for one think the idea is a great one, and I admire the OP for putting her head over the parapet to suggest it. " I'm all for preference.. even when it works out against me - do I have right to demand a "Lesbians for Lesbians" social let me in, then throw my toys out the pram when I get no attention? No. why? Simple - I would be the silly one. | |||
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"You still miss the point - who are you to dictate what groups can and can't have a social? Play or otherwise? Simply put.. what right and authority do you (based on opinion alone) have?? Why can't you just leave alone that some people "based on what they have in common" want some time to themselves.. are you now the Anti-preference police.. forming leagues and divisions all over the country reporting any gathering based on preference that dares congregates?? By all means, have you opinion - but please leave it at that, just an opinion. Suggesting anyone not have a preference, or a gathering based on preference, be banned because some poor soul felt excluded is forcing your will on the people who want that preference. Last time I looked, forcing one person to do something they did not want to (in ANY sexual context) is rape." I wasn't dictating anything, I was agreeing that people can do what they want and leave others to do what they want. I will never say what others do is wrong and what I do is right and I don't know how I gave that impression. | |||
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"You still miss the point - who are you to dictate what groups can and can't have a social? Play or otherwise? Simply put.. what right and authority do you (based on opinion alone) have?? Why can't you just leave alone that some people "based on what they have in common" want some time to themselves.. are you now the Anti-preference police.. forming leagues and divisions all over the country reporting any gathering based on preference that dares congregates?? By all means, have you opinion - but please leave it at that, just an opinion. Suggesting anyone not have a preference, or a gathering based on preference, be banned because some poor soul felt excluded is forcing your will on the people who want that preference. Last time I looked, forcing one person to do something they did not want to (in ANY sexual context) is rape. I wasn't dictating anything, I was agreeing that people can do what they want and leave others to do what they want. I will never say what others do is wrong and what I do is right and I don't know how I gave that impression. " Sorry, that post wasn't at yours (I completely agree with yours) - I was responding to _wo4more's post suggesting all preference be done away with. | |||
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"Just to clear up the perception that only "non-blacks" are put off by bmfc, I am black and I find bmfc distasteful. You find it distasteful that there are nights organised where women can go and meet black men for sex ?
I find it distasteful that there are black men organised so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it "Slightly off-topic, but I find it distasteful that another swing site charges single men more than it does couples or single females,.. yet when there are site socials (for the whole site, not just one section), the same single guys are not invited as the site holds the social at venues on dates that are couples only. | |||
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"Just to clear up the perception that only "non-blacks" are put off by bmfc, I am black and I find bmfc distasteful. You find it distasteful that there are nights organised where women can go and meet black men for sex ?
I find it distasteful that there are black
men organised so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it "Do you find "normal" clubs nights distasteful where single guys are allowed in (black or white) so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it ? | |||
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"You still miss the point - who are you to dictate what groups can and can't have a social? Play or otherwise? Simply put.. what right and authority do you (based on opinion alone) have?? Why can't you just leave alone that some people "based on what they have in common" want some time to themselves.. are you now the Anti-preference police.. forming leagues and divisions all over the country reporting any gathering based on preference that dares congregates?? By all means, have you opinion - but please leave it at that, just an opinion. Suggesting anyone not have a preference, or a gathering based on preference, be banned because some poor soul felt excluded is forcing your will on the people who want that preference. Last time I looked, forcing one person to do something they did not want to (in ANY sexual context) is rape." Errrrm, who at any point has said anyone should be forced to do anything, let alone mention anything to do with rape!?!? You seem to have made a massive extreme mountain out of a molehill! Calling us preference police is a bit rich after you tried to dissect our profile and tell us what our preferences are... A point has been made that instead of having nights that segregate and make people feel unwelcome, there should be more done by clubs and social organisers to make nights more inclusive. The point is to try to allow everyone to come together in one night where they can explore all their preferences, without anyone being left out, excluded or made unwelcome, a night that caters for all preferences and choices, without people going home thinking they wasted a night as there was no-one there of their type and perhaps not returning. The apparent reason for Bmfc nights is that people feel they cannot find what they are looking for unless they attend these nights... Perhaps these nights are now the cause and not the cure. Perhaps if these nights didn't exist there would be more black guys attending on normal nights, which perhaps would see more people attend on normal nights knowing they can find them more easily. Some times too much o a good thing can in the end have a negative effect. | |||
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"Just to clear up the perception that only "non-blacks" are put off by bmfc, I am black and I find bmfc distasteful. You find it distasteful that there are nights organised where women can go and meet black men for sex ?
I find it distasteful that there are black
men organised so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it
Do you find "normal" clubs nights distasteful where single guys are allowed in (black or white) so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it ? "Don't think I do. I appreciate the economics of it. I even accept clubs charging single guys more as that is just an issue of supply and demand and clubs wanting to avoid over supply of single men. | |||
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"You still miss the point - who are you to dictate what groups can and can't have a social? Play or otherwise? Simply put.. what right and authority do you (based on opinion alone) have?? Why can't you just leave alone that some people "based on what they have in common" want some time to themselves.. are you now the Anti-preference police.. forming leagues and divisions all over the country reporting any gathering based on preference that dares congregates?? By all means, have you opinion - but please leave it at that, just an opinion. Suggesting anyone not have a preference, or a gathering based on preference, be banned because some poor soul felt excluded is forcing your will on the people who want that preference. Last time I looked, forcing one person to do something they did not want to (in ANY sexual context) is rape. Errrrm, who at any point has said anyone should be forced to do anything, let alone mention anything to do with rape!?!? You seem to have made a massive extreme mountain out of a molehill! Calling us preference police is a bit rich after you tried to dissect our profile and tell us what our preferences are... A point has been made that instead of having nights that segregate and make people feel unwelcome, there should be more done by clubs and social organisers to make nights more inclusive. The point is to try to allow everyone to come together in one night where they can explore all their preferences, without anyone being left out, excluded or made unwelcome, a night that caters for all preferences and choices, without people going home thinking they wasted a night as there was no-one there of their type and perhaps not returning. The apparent reason for Bmfc nights is that people feel they cannot find what they are looking for unless they attend these nights... Perhaps these nights are now the cause and not the cure. Perhaps if these nights didn't exist there would be more black guys attending on normal nights, which perhaps would see more people attend on normal nights knowing they can find them more easily. Some times too much o a good thing can in the end have a negative effect." | |||
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"Just to clear up the perception that only "non-blacks" are put off by bmfc, I am black and I find bmfc distasteful. You find it distasteful that there are nights organised where women can go and meet black men for sex ?
I find it distasteful that there are black
men organised so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it
Do you find "normal" clubs nights distasteful where single guys are
allowed in (black or white) so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it ?
Don't think I do. I appreciate the economics of it. I even accept clubs
charging single guys more as that is just an issue of supply and demand and clubs wanting to avoid over supply of single men. "So it's just distasteful when black men are arranged for women to have sex with and someone makes money? If it's white men it's not distasteful ? | |||
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"Just to clear up the perception that only "non-blacks" are put off by bmfc, I am black and I find bmfc distasteful. You find it distasteful that there are nights organised where women can go and meet black men for sex ?
I find it distasteful that there are black
men organised so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it
Do you find "normal" clubs nights distasteful where single guys are
allowed in (black or white) so that women can come and pick them for sex and someone makes money off it ?
Don't think I do. I appreciate the economics of it. I even accept clubs
charging single guys more as that is just an issue of supply and demand and clubs wanting to avoid over supply of single men.
So it's just distasteful when black men are arranged for women to have sex with and someone makes money?
If it's white men it's not distasteful ?
"Not sure your comparison represents what I am saying. In my opinion, it's ok and economics for someone to make money off everyone but distasteful if they make it off one racial group. It is the difference between capitalism and something not as accepted in modern day but ok in swinging. | |||
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"You still miss the point - who are you to dictate what groups can and can't have a social? Play or otherwise? Simply put.. what right and authority do you (based on opinion alone) have?? Why can't you just leave alone that some people "based on what they have in common" want some time to themselves.. are you now the Anti-preference police.. forming leagues and divisions all over the country reporting any gathering based on preference that dares congregates?? By all means, have you opinion - but please leave it at that, just an opinion. Suggesting anyone not have a preference, or a gathering based on preference, be banned because some poor soul felt excluded is forcing your will on the people who want that preference. Last time I looked, forcing one person to do something they did not want to (in ANY sexual context) is rape. I wasn't dictating anything, I was agreeing that people can do what they want and leave others to do what they want. I will never say what others do is wrong and what I do is right and I don't know how I gave that impression. Sorry, that post wasn't at yours (I completely agree with yours) - I was responding to _wo4more's post suggesting all preference be done away with." Thanks (cross posting it seems). | |||
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"Actually the original post on this thread wasn't boring at all, it was someone suggesting starting a BWFC for white men who admire black ladies and black ladies who admire white men... It was the hijacking of the thread by people with other agendas which got boring. I for one think the idea is a great one, and I admire the OP for putting her head over the parapet to suggest it. " The boring bit that I was referring to was that once again, the OPs post HAS been hijacked (you will see from a comment that I left on the last thread, that I told the OP that I was sorry, that once again her post had been hijacked ...) You will also see from posts between the OP and me that I have already given her advice on how I set up the BMFC and indeed we have both met (albeit briefly) and spoke about it!! .. So, its the hijacking and same ole same ole comments that I find boring, not the OPs suggestion | |||
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"Really don't understand why people are getting their panties in a bunch over this. If there are black ladies that like white men and white men that like black ladies they will go to these events and make them a success, if not they will fail. If you feel excluded then I guess the only answer is 'Not every one wants you' The sooner some people realise this the better. Right, I'm off to the local Scalectrix club to complain my model trains won't run on their track." Your last paragraph runs along the same lines I was thinking reading some of the comments on this thread namely, I love tennis but I'm off to Muirfield to complain about not being able to join their men only golf club!  | |||
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"Actually the original post on this thread wasn't boring at all, it was someone suggesting starting a BWFC for white men who admire black ladies and black ladies who admire white men... It was the hijacking of the thread by people with other agendas which got boring. I for one think the idea is a great one, and I admire the OP for putting her head over the parapet to suggest it. The boring bit that I was referring to was that once again, the OPs post HAS been hijacked (you will see from a comment that I left on the last thread, that I told the OP that I was sorry, that once again her post had been hijacked ...) You will also see from posts between the OP and me that I have already given her advice on how I set up the BMFC and indeed we have both met (albeit briefly) and spoke about it!! .. So, its the hijacking and same ole same ole comments that I find boring, not the OPs suggestion " | |||
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