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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action" I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. | |||
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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. " I'm not saying legally you wouldn't have the right to go, what I am saying why would anyone want to go to a swing club on a night that does not best suit their sexuality not only that but would go against the grain of the clientele that was there that particular evening | |||
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"I think a couples only night would suit him/them though. Same as fb fwb that go on couples only nights, cheaper entry and way less competition than on nights with single guys. " But a lot of couples that go to clubs are really only looking for m/f couples or perhaps single fems that's tends to be the nature of the evening, if people wanted m/m couples they could go to bi nights and if they wanted single men there are nights that cater for those wants | |||
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"I think a couples only night would suit him/them though. Same as fb fwb that go on couples only nights, cheaper entry and way less competition than on nights with single guys. But a lot of couples that go to clubs are really only looking for m/f couples or perhaps single fems that's tends to be the nature of the evening, if people wanted m/m couples they could go to bi nights and if they wanted single men there are nights that cater for those wants " Assuming the men walking round are honest about being bi, and if the men in question are looking for women, then a couples night (and not a night for bi, men & women, where women usually are looking for women) would suit their needs better. I dont think clubs will allow this, and fortunately I dont go on couples only nights so it doesn't really affect me. But I can see both sides of the argument
Is it equality? Nope, but then swinging clubs arnt really the place to be looking for equality (In my opinion) | |||
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"Well it is sexual discrimination and legally in this day and age a sticky wicket can you imagine say Alton towers or a football ground charging different rates for men and women ! "I don't think this thread is about the disparity in what club charge different sexes, there have been many threads about that already | |||
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"I think a couples only night would suit him/them though. Same as fb fwb that go on couples only nights, cheaper entry and way less competition than on nights with single guys. But a lot of couples that go to clubs are really only looking for m/f couples or perhaps single fems that's tends to be the nature of the evening, if people wanted m/m couples they could go to bi nights and if they wanted single men there are nights that cater for those wants Assuming the men walking round are honest about being bi, and if the men in question are looking for women, then a couples night (and not a night for bi, men & women, where women usually are looking for women) would suit their needs better. I dont think clubs will allow this, and fortunately I dont go on couples only nights so it doesn't really affect me. But I can see both sides of the argument
Is it equality? Nope, but then swinging clubs arnt really the place to be looking for equality (In my opinion)"Like you I can see both sides of the argument but as you say swinging is not about equality it's about personal choice, and I believe clubs do try and cater for everyone's tastes | |||
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" I don't think this thread is about the disparity in what club charge different sexes, there have been many threads about that already " No it isn't. It's just a simple question. | |||
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" I don't think this thread is about the disparity in what club charge different sexes, there have been many threads about that already No it isn't. It's just a simple question. " Well if you used the search facility and you could find the answer from someone who knows the answer | |||
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"As the title says... Are 2 guys classed as a couple? I'm a bi guy and I know bi guys, so that'll be the same as a guy going in with his female GF/FB If not that be screaming homophobia. " there's a couple(MM) option on here so you can have a male couples profile or state your looking for male couples so id say yes two men are a couple | |||
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"I think a couples only night would suit him/them though. Same as fb fwb that go on couples only nights, cheaper entry and way less competition than on nights with single guys. But a lot of couples that go to clubs are really only looking for m/f couples or perhaps single fems that's tends to be the nature of the evening, if people wanted m/m couples they could go to bi nights and if they wanted single men there are nights that cater for those wants " On the other hand not all women who want to try two males want bi guys, personally I would rather have two straight males otherwise they may spend more time playing with each other  | |||
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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. I'm not saying legally you wouldn't have the right to go, what I am saying why would anyone want to go to a swing club on a night that does not best suit their sexuality not only that but would go against the grain of the clientele that was there that particular evening legally a private members club is not bound buy the same rules as other entertainment establishments " Does this apply in how much clubs charge clientele as well ? | |||
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"I think a couples only night would suit him/them though. Same as fb fwb that go on couples only nights, cheaper entry and way less competition than on nights with single guys. But a lot of couples that go to clubs are really only looking for m/f couples or perhaps single fems that's tends to be the nature of the evening, if people wanted m/m couples they could go to bi nights and if they wanted single men there are nights that cater for those wants On the other hand not all women who want to try two males want bi guys, personally I would rather have two straight males otherwise they may spend more time playing with each other "Greedy | |||
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"As the title says... Are 2 guys classed as a couple? I'm a bi guy and I know bi guys, so that'll be the same as a guy going in with his female GF/FB If not that be screaming homophobia. " I asked the same question when at a club how do they charge TVs entry - either as a male or a female if they are dressed. Think its on the same lines really 
0h and i didnt get a clear answer! | |||
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" I asked the same question when at a club how do they charge TVs entry - either as a male or a female if they are dressed. Think its on the same lines really
0h and i didnt get a clear answer!"I think this one would be charged as a male, as that's what it says on their birth certificate, plus isn't a naked TV still a man? But saying that, if they come dressed then should be charged a price inbetween m and f. | |||
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" I asked the same question when at a club how do they charge TVs entry - either as a male or a female if they are dressed. Think its on the same lines really
0h and i didnt get a clear answer!
I think this one would be charged as a male, as that's what it says on their birth certificate, plus isn't a naked TV still a man?
But saying that, if they come dressed then should be charged a price inbetween m and f."Pass next question please!  | |||
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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. I'm not saying legally you wouldn't have the right to go, what I am saying why would anyone want to go to a swing club on a night that does not best suit their sexuality not only that but would go against the grain of the clientele that was there that particular evening legally a private members club is not bound buy the same rules as other entertainment establishments Does this apply in how much clubs charge clientele as well ?" yes if the law ever changed clubs would not bring down the cost of single guys they would increase the cost to single girls. then less single girls ! | |||
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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. I'm not saying legally you wouldn't have the right to go, what I am saying why would anyone want to go to a swing club on a night that does not best suit their sexuality not only that but would go against the grain of the clientele that was there that particular evening legally a private members club is not bound buy the same rules as other entertainment establishments Does this apply in how much clubs charge clientele as well ? yes if the law ever changed clubs would not bring down the cost of single guys they would increase the cost to single girls. then less single girls !" It's actually a very interesting question posed by the OP and I guess that no one will truely be sure of the answer unless it was challanged in court and a judgement was made. The generally understood concept of a couples and single females night is that a couple will be 1 male and 1 female, and there is no criteria that the couple has to be married, in a relationship, living together etc. I'm very sure that currently all clubs would turn away 2 guys arriving at a club on a couples only night irrespective of whether they were in a civil union right down to they were 2 guys whom knew each other through FAB. The intentions of the 2 guys arriving as a couple, and indeed whether or not they will get any action is irrelevant as the legal issue would be as to whether they could gain access to the club. The nearest comparison I can think of would be BMFC where all are allowed entrance to a club on a BMFC night irrespective of skin colour, but, and as I have never been I make a wild guess here, writing as a white man, I'd expect that the ladies attending on such a night would not be very interested in getting together with a white male. If it ever were to be challanged in court, I'd have thought that the 2 guys would almost definately have to be in a civil union or at the very least capable of proving that they were in a realtionship of some longevity and then who knows what might happen. But as Liberty Elite state, if cases relating to price or admission policies were successfully challanged in court, the whole world of swinger clubs would radically change as business models would fail and attandance levels would potentailly be differnt to what we see today | |||
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"I don't know the legal position to be honest, but I'm not sure why an all male couple would want to go in a night that they would be unlikely to get any action I was once in a gay sauna and there was a woman in there using the facilities. I very doubt she got any action. I'm not saying legally you wouldn't have the right to go, what I am saying why would anyone want to go to a swing club on a night that does not best suit their sexuality not only that but would go against the grain of the clientele that was there that particular evening legally a private members club is not bound buy the same rules as other entertainment establishments Does this apply in how much clubs charge clientele as well ? yes if the law ever changed clubs would not bring down the cost of single guys they would increase the cost to single girls. then less single girls ! It's actually a very interesting question posed by the OP and I guess that no one will truely be sure of the answer unless it was challanged in court and a judgement was made. The generally understood concept of a couples and single females night is that a couple will be 1 male and 1 female, and there is no criteria that the couple has to be married, in a relationship, living together etc. I'm very sure that currently all clubs would turn away 2 guys arriving at a club on a couples only night irrespective of whether they were in a civil union right down to they were 2 guys whom knew each other through FAB. The intentions of the 2 guys arriving as a couple, and indeed whether or not they will get any action is irrelevant as the legal issue would be as to whether they could gain access to the club. The nearest comparison I can think of would be BMFC where all are allowed entrance to a club on a BMFC night irrespective of skin colour, but, and as I have never been I make a wild guess here, writing as a white man, I'd expect that the ladies attending on such a night would not be very interested in getting together with a white male. If it ever were to be challanged in court, I'd have thought that the 2 guys would almost definately have to be in a civil union or at the very least capable of proving that they were in a realtionship of some longevity and then who knows what might happen. But as Liberty Elite state, if cases relating to price or admission policies were successfully challanged in court, the whole world of swinger clubs would radically change as business models would fail and attandance levels would potentailly be differnt to what we see today" I have found this very interesting so have been doing a bit of reading I think private members clubs can justify charging different groups to encourage underrepresented such groups under positive action provisions, as for not allowing single men or all male couples on certain nights again I think this is permitted as long as provisions have been made for them to attend on alternative nights this is under the equality act, this so for private members clubs only | |||
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"my understanding is legally they can't discriminate between types of couples... however they can put in "play together,stay together" clauses to stop them wandering off and playing like 2 single guys........." Have a look at the government guide lines on private members clubs and the new sex discrimination law you might find it interesting ! | |||
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"my understanding is legally they can't discriminate between types of couples... however they can put in "play together,stay together" clauses to stop them wandering off and playing like 2 single guys......... Have a look at the government guide lines on private members clubs and the new sex discrimination law you might find it interesting !" How are gay/bi-males supposed to prove that they are gay/bi? Do they have to "perform" in order to get their membership? If not, why not my straight male mate and myself indulge in a bit of "method acting" and get in as a "couple"? Obviously it would be an attractive proposition as it would cost us a lot less money at current pricing structures, and we could get in on nights when we couldn't get in on our own. Simple answer for the clubs then...push all the prices up to multiples of what single blokes pay...then there is no price discrimination and no sex orientation discrimination. And if gay/bi blokes can go into a couples only night, two by two, then by law, you can't discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, so clubs will have to let straight blokes in, two by two as well... ...bye bye couples only nights folks! | |||
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"my understanding is legally they can't discriminate between types of couples... however they can put in "play together,stay together" clauses to stop them wandering off and playing like 2 single guys......... Have a look at the government guide lines on private members clubs and the new sex discrimination law you might find it interesting ! How are gay/bi-males supposed to prove that they are gay/bi? Do they have to "perform" in order to get their membership? If not, why not my straight male mate and myself indulge in a bit of "method acting" and get in as a "couple"? Obviously it would be an attractive proposition as it would cost us a lot less money at current pricing structures, and we could get in on nights when we couldn't get in on our own. Simple answer for the clubs then...push all the prices up to multiples of what single blokes pay...then there is no price discrimination and no sex orientation discrimination. And if gay/bi blokes can go into a couples only night, two by two, then by law, you can't discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, so clubs will have to let straight blokes in, two by two as well... ...bye bye couples only nights folks! " And good bye most clubs too | |||
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"...in my opinion yes 2 men are a couple even if they are not married." And what if they are NOT gay or bi? I think that the Equalities Act means that you can't discriminate against Hetero's any more than you can discriminate against gay/bi/lesbians. Hence the word "Equalities". | |||
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"...in my opinion yes 2 men are a couple even if they are not married. And what if they are NOT gay or bi? I think that the Equalities Act means that you can't discriminate against Hetero's any more than you can discriminate against gay/bi/lesbians. Hence the word "Equalities"." So what do you mean ? | |||
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"...in my opinion yes 2 men are a couple even if they are not married. And what if they are NOT gay or bi? I think that the Equalities Act means that you can't discriminate against Hetero's any more than you can discriminate against gay/bi/lesbians. Hence the word "Equalities". So what do you mean ?" Not sure why you took part of my answer and start talking about discrimination!! Definition of couple: Two individuals of the same sort considered together. As I said and I repeat, 2 men are a couple even if they are not married. To break this down for you, I meant that 2 men regardless of their sexuality can be a couple. I hope this clarifies my thoughts for you! | |||
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"...in my opinion yes 2 men are a couple even if they are not married. And what if they are NOT gay or bi? I think that the Equalities Act means that you can't discriminate against Hetero's any more than you can discriminate against gay/bi/lesbians. Hence the word "Equalities". So what do you mean ? Not sure why you took part of my answer and start talking about discrimination!! Definition of couple: Two individuals of the same sort considered together. As I said and I repeat, 2 men are a couple even if they are not married. To break this down for you, I meant that 2 men regardless of their sexuality can be a couple. I hope this clarifies my thoughts for you!" Yeah, so in other words, two hetero guys, going in, two by two, can by this definition enter "couples only" nights, where the intention is to not have single guys...you get the drift? The "couples only night" (intended to be M+F couples only) and the sustaining ethos of many swingers clubs could soon be over. | |||
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"And so the genuine couples would stop going, wtf would that acheive?" ...and so we go full circle to what the OP asked, and what follows. You allow gay / bi "couples" in on couples only nights, and the law says you have to allow straight men to (as long as they come in two's) ...so you end up with the "genuine" couples stopping going... ...so you bring about the end of "couples only nights" and couples only clubs, as we currently know them. Logical really. | |||
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"Maybe that's what the op wants." Maybe you're right. It was certainly a confrontational enough tone to suggest that the OP may be "on a mission". | |||
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