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I work in the lifestyle and I feel this is valid question
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This old chestnut.
Has it been two days already?
Has anyone said clubs would die if you charged couples and single ladies the same as men yet?
Has anyone said if you don’t like it then don’t go yet?
So many previous answers I honestly don’t know which one to pick!!
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"Do justify to me why women pay less " Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men " And there are a lot less of them. It's a numbers game and there is no need to reduce the number of TVs or CDs. All these answers have been repeated on here so many times and the simple answer is clubs charge so much because people will pay it. | |||
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"Crikey!!
This old chestnut.
Has it been two days already?
Has anyone said clubs would die if you charged couples and single ladies the same as men yet?
Has anyone said if you don’t like it then don’t go yet?
So many previous answers I honestly don’t know which one to pick!!
"No they wouldn’t I’m suggesting that prices be bought down for men Swinging is for everyone an old chestnut something that needs to be changed If man wears a dress your get in for a woman’s price is that right to then | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business." They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that | |||
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"In this time of equality the swinging world is no longer about cpls or single women . Pricing in clubs seems to be advantageous to everyone except single MEN Obviously with all the genders we have now why are single MEN still ripped off? Is a tv and cd not a single guy in a dress So why are they paying as a single girl which neither of them are please don’t confuse these with TS as I’m not referring to them I’m not homophobic or transphobic in the slightest as ppl that know me will confirm Can’t wait to hear ppls views Remember it’s about why men should pay more than others for the same deal facilities etc
I work in the lifestyle and I feel this is valid question
Price per person would be so much farer don’t you think "The reason single guys pay more is because they haven't brought a "bottle" to the party  | |||
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"Interesting question. Just concentrating on the price per person. Let's say the club charges £25 per person. Two couples attend or 4 single guys. Assuming we're not taking a bi night etc. The couples can swap or just play together. If you charged the same price for single ladies as the men would they still attend in the same numbers? I can't answer as that's not our situation. If clubs charged us £50 to attend and single men paid £25 I just don't see that working. To achieve the same £100 in the above example: 1 couple and two single guys. 75 men to 25 women per hundred. I don't think clubs or anyone wants that ratio. At it's simplest; I think the pricing is there to encourage couples etc not penalise men. " So why wouldn’t it Price per person works and is fare why should anyone be charged more for the same facilities Bi nights also included remembering the fact CDs tvs would be charged a woman’s price If your invitation is to vetted men the club has decided to invite they are penalised | |||
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"I just compare it with a night out anywhere else. A night at my local favourite club the annex is still cheaper than most other entertainment given the byob policy" Not every club has a byob policy Abs remember club drink prices are not cheap | |||
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" At it's simplest; I think the pricing is there to encourage couples etc not penalise men. "  | |||
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"Maybe a points idear eg good reviews from clubs reduces single mens prices and couples reviews For single men reduces prices it will do two things Give couples / single lady's. Confidence i ask them for a meet. . And may help the clubs on certain nights Eg regular nice men who benefit from been a club cheaper paying member. Just a idea. Merry Christmas guys. " A good point definitely Thing is as a guy you’ve been vetted to attend as a single girl or couple you probably haven’t a guy can’t attend without applying Where’s as anyone else seems to be allowed to just turn up | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men And there are a lot less of them. It's a numbers game and there is no need to reduce the number of TVs or CDs. So what if all the guys that night decided to turn up in dresses Numbers are controlled anyway tv cd means extra guys not girls All these answers have been repeated on here so many times and the simple answer is clubs charge so much because people will pay it. " | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business." this fact is within all of the industry the ladies draw the men and couples from pubs to clubs without them the industry wouldnt exist "And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men " this is also true for the said community and whilst they do offer a service theres many men that like it as goes for the men you have to be restrictive by just the numbers alone you wont find many single females or couples going to a full male enviroment, the same can be said for the trans community yes i do agree on the membership fee as that should be the same price across the board but on admissions you start to play with numbers and a higher price to the men now saying all of that if you was offering the same as a trans then your entrance fee should represent the same price as a trans as your the attraction your offering the service to everyone if you are found not to be, gained admission under false pretences then you deserve a ban and thrown out of the building. | |||
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" They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that " Oh don't worry, I know I'm the product that swingers clubs are "selling". Pretending otherwise is a bit naive imo. | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that " Often charged less and also free on some occasions | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. this fact is within all of the industry the ladies draw the men and couples We are not talking about numbers here ratios are taken into account as I very well know It’s entrance price we are talking about from pubs to clubs without them the industry wouldnt exist And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men this is also true for the said community and whilst they do offer a service theres many men that like it as goes for the men you have to be restrictive by just the numbers alone you wont find many single females or couples going to a full male enviroment, the same can be said for the trans community yes i do agree on the membership fee as that should be the same price across the board but on admissions you start to play with numbers and a higher price to the men now saying all of that if you was offering the same as a trans then your entrance fee should represent the same price as a trans as your the attraction your offering the service to everyone if you are found not to be, gained admission under false pretences then you deserve a ban and thrown out of the building." | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that Often charged less and also free on some occasions " Again why rip men off if you want them there | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. this fact is within all of the industry the ladies draw the men and couples We are not talking about numbers here ratios are taken into account as I very well know It’s entrance price we are talking about from pubs to clubs without them the industry wouldnt exist And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men this is also true for the said community and whilst they do offer a service theres many men that like it as goes for the men you have to be restrictive by just the numbers alone you wont find many single females or couples going to a full male enviroment, the same can be said for the trans community yes i do agree on the membership fee as that should be the same price across the board but on admissions you start to play with numbers and a higher price to the men now saying all of that if you was offering the same as a trans then your entrance fee should represent the same price as a trans as your the attraction your offering the service to everyone if you are found not to be, gained admission under false pretences then you deserve a ban and thrown out of the building." Not talking about trans They are separate to CDs and TVs and definitely wouldn’t want you to claw them in the same bracket | |||
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"Most clubs fall under "private members club" labels and can charge however much they want to attract one demographics and discourage another. So as it has already been said, it's more a discounted entry for women and couples than overcharging single men. Also, OP, not every single club has got the same policy, some charge men similar prices to couples. And yes, the topic has been discussed on many occasions before and not really getting anywhere." It’s not about discouraging anyone If your saying that’s why club’s charge higher prices that is definitively a stupid business plan As ppl have said they want to attract men to attend cause the women that attend are being used to tempt men to come change pricing policy and they will come Ex A single woman goes to a club 5 days a week at £10 a day/Night = £50 The same visits for a men would be £250 You think that’s ok But if you put a dress on you can come as a woman I think that is an insult to men and women | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men " OUCH   (just like to say "we" do put a lot of money into looking like we do with outfits,make up etc etc,all for our benefits though | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that Often charged less and also free on some occasions Again why rip men off if you want them there " Sadly it's a numbers game for the majority of Swingers Clubs they rely heavily on single guys but we totally agree the charges put on single guys it's way out of line compared to women Tvs etc it's got absolutely nothing to do with discrimination it's just the way it works wether you agree or not and you'll probably get the same response if you don't like it don't attend which isn't the answer to your question !! You'll probably get a clearer picture if you actually spoke to a Club owner but those are the rules in this lifestyle and it won't change all the time the demand is there | |||
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"I do think that males do get the slightly rougher end of the stick. I have x2 couples memberships and my own single guys membership. The couples memberships are 1/4 of the price of my males membership AND they're lifetime, which means I/we only have to pay the entry fee (which is also less than single males) and also, single females and couples can pretty much go whenever they like within reason, the club encourages their attendance and will not turn them away. Single guys membership is £80.. and this is just for the year.. plus higher entry fees and restrictions on which nights/days they can go (for example, kicking out time on a Saturday night is 7:30pm) and if you just turn up, you're not guaranteed entry on any given night... based on the ratio of single ladies/couples... So, though I understand it... it's too prevent an 'over saturation' of single guys, potentially ruining the flow of the evening. Do I think that sometimes it's a bit unfair? Yes... but it's just something that you have to live with. It's similar to the ratio of guys vs ladies/couples on here tbf.. the rough end of the stick is dealt fairly as the few ruin the experience for the many. " I’m glad you agree I’ve only ever thrown out cpls and single ladies in clubs I’ve worked and one who thought she had the right to touch me cause I was a bloke If clubs are choosing the numbers their will never be oversaturation I’ve seen clubs let guys in incorrectly dressed and charged them a bit more for it I watched taxi drivers allowed in who are on a break in T-shirts and trainers not greatly appreciated as seen If guys are paying high entrance it creates a I expect attitude I wouldn’t want any one to expect this then causes potential trouble | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that Often charged less and also free on some occasions Again why rip men off if you want them there Sadly it's a numbers game for the majority of Swingers Clubs they rely heavily on single guys but we totally agree the charges put on single guys it's way out of line compared to women Tvs etc it's got absolutely nothing to do with discrimination it's just the way it works wether you agree or not and you'll probably get the same response if you don't like it don't attend which isn't the answer to your question !! You'll probably get a clearer picture if you actually spoke to a Club owner but those are the rules in this lifestyle and it won't change all the time the demand is there " I work in the lifestyle I’ve chatted to plenty club owners the only answer they have is It’s the way it’s always been And then you get the old line of swinging was only meant to be for cpls abd single girls Bit archaic don’t you think | |||
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"Find the place that works for you OP, or set up your own place. How would you do it and make it successful? " I work for a very successful place in the lifestyle who charge per person and it works very well | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men OUCH (just like to say "we" do put a lot of money into looking like we do with outfits,make up etc etc,all for our benefits though "I totally understand that but that’s your choice in life Men put alot of money into how they look also So why should you get a benefit from a club for it All your efforts do not make you a woman sorry to have to say it but it is a fact | |||
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"Do justify to me why women pay less Same as in vanilla nightclubs as it's the women being present that encourage men to go. No women = no men = no business. They wouldn’t be charged less at a vanilla night club and wgat your implying there is that clubs are using women as bate a prize or meat Sure some women wouldn’t like to be used like that Often charged less and also free on some occasions Again why rip men off if you want them there Sadly it's a numbers game for the majority of Swingers Clubs they rely heavily on single guys but we totally agree the charges put on single guys it's way out of line compared to women Tvs etc it's got absolutely nothing to do with discrimination it's just the way it works wether you agree or not and you'll probably get the same response if you don't like it don't attend which isn't the answer to your question !! You'll probably get a clearer picture if you actually spoke to a Club owner but those are the rules in this lifestyle and it won't change all the time the demand is there I work in the lifestyle I’ve chatted to plenty club owners the only answer they have is It’s the way it’s always been And then you get the old line of swinging was only meant to be for cpls abd single girls Bit archaic don’t you think " Totally and like I said it's just something that's always been in place which we feel is penalising single guys very unfairly and I've never got my head around why a cd TV not a fully transitioned pay a fraction of the Entry fee when the bottom line is they are a Man !! We charge the same rate for couples women men but in reality we should charge more for couples as they use more water towels etc anyway merry Christmas and keep smiling | |||
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"Find the place that works for you OP, or set up your own place. How would you do it and make it successful? I work for a very successful place in the lifestyle who charge per person and it works very well " That's great to hear that there's movement and it works  | |||
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"Basically it means they are attending the picnic but not bringing any sandwiches themselves, so they get to pay a premium for the luxury of potentially eating what others have brought with them. " Without no meat, there is no sandwiches... just bread 😉🤣 I love this analogy though | |||
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"Basically it means they are attending the picnic but not bringing any sandwiches themselves, so they get to pay a premium for the luxury of potentially eating what others have brought with them. " Are they not lol Remember women want men so they must be bringing something to the party No men no women tbh Doesn’t justify a higher price when u are trying to attract nice guys | |||
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"Basically it means they are attending the picnic but not bringing any sandwiches themselves, so they get to pay a premium for the luxury of potentially eating what others have brought with them. Without no meat, there is no sandwiches... just bread 😉🤣 I love this analogy though" Exactly | |||
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"Maybe a points idear eg good reviews from clubs reduces single mens prices and couples reviews For single men reduces prices it will do two things Give couples / single lady's. Confidence i ask them for a meet. . And may help the clubs on certain nights Eg regular nice men who benefit from been a club cheaper paying member. Just a idea. Merry Christmas guys. A good point definitely Thing is as a guy you’ve been vetted to attend as a single girl or couple you probably haven’t a guy can’t attend without applying Where’s as anyone else seems to be allowed to just turn up " I can name lots of clubs where men just turn up..no vetting at all | |||
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"Why are people (men not including the ones in frocks) paying these extortionate prices? If someone told me I have to pay multiples of someone rise to attend their venue I’d tell them to jog on " Exactly my thoughts it’s unfair Women seemed to be used as meat to attract then cpls saying they bring nothing to the party So should pay premium Unfortunately I’d like to say no cock available the women won’t come either | |||
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"Maybe a points idear eg good reviews from clubs reduces single mens prices and couples reviews For single men reduces prices it will do two things Give couples / single lady's. Confidence i ask them for a meet. . And may help the clubs on certain nights Eg regular nice men who benefit from been a club cheaper paying member. Just a idea. Merry Christmas guys. A good point definitely Thing is as a guy you’ve been vetted to attend as a single girl or couple you probably haven’t a guy can’t attend without applying Where’s as anyone else seems to be allowed to just turn up I can name lots of clubs where men just turn up..no vetting at all" Not a club to attend then tbh all guests should be vetted There is bad in all out there | |||
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"Clubs are mostly a business, the volume of single fellas lends them to being exploited - not saying it's right it's just business and while there's plenty willing to pay it won't change " Clubs should value all their guests equally they need them all for it to work | |||
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"I like to see my cheap entry as a small slice of the world where I'm compensated for having to live in a patriarchal society. "Why should you be compensated for attending a club you wish to attend | |||
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"Most clubs fall under "private members club" labels and can charge however much they want to attract one demographics and discourage another. So as it has already been said, it's more a discounted entry for women and couples than overcharging single men. Also, OP, not every single club has got the same policy, some charge men similar prices to couples. And yes, the topic has been discussed on many occasions before and not really getting anywhere. It’s not about discouraging anyone If your saying that’s why club’s charge higher prices that is definitively a stupid business plan As ppl have said they want to attract men to attend cause the women that attend are being used to tempt men to come change pricing policy and they will come Ex A single woman goes to a club 5 days a week at £10 a day/Night = £50 The same visits for a men would be £250 You think that’s ok But if you put a dress on you can come as a woman I think that is an insult to men and women " I personally do not agree with TVs and CDs being charged the same entry fees as neither men nor women as they are neither, they are a separate category. Therefore, their entry fees should have been different. | |||
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"Basically it means they are attending the picnic but not bringing any sandwiches themselves, so they get to pay a premium for the luxury of potentially eating what others have brought with them. Are they not lol Remember women want men so they must be bringing something to the party No men no women tbh Doesn’t justify a higher price when u are trying to attract nice guys " What if women are exploring swinging to play with other women? I don’t like pricing where a coupled woman effectively goes free, but a single woman still pays. My neck of the woods, couples and single men pay the same and single women pay about £10. | |||
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"In this time of equality the swinging world is no longer about cpls or single women . Pricing in clubs seems to be advantageous to everyone except single MEN Obviously with all the genders we have now why are single MEN still ripped off? Is a tv and cd not a single guy in a dress So why are they paying as a single girl which neither of them are please don’t confuse these with TS as I’m not referring to them I’m not homophobic or transphobic in the slightest as ppl that know me will confirm Can’t wait to hear ppls views Remember it’s about why men should pay more than others for the same deal facilities etc
I work in the lifestyle and I feel this is valid question
Price per person would be so much farer don’t you think "I like your boldness and braveness. If most men love themselves and know their high worth, the prices this clubs/private parties charge will be fair, and the swinging business will still thrive. | |||
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"I like to see my cheap entry as a small slice of the world where I'm compensated for having to live in a patriarchal society.
Why should you be compensated for attending a club you wish to attend
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" £35 men, £20 couples, £15 single ladies " So two women pay 50% than a couple ? | |||
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"Maybe a points idear eg good reviews from clubs reduces single mens prices and couples reviews For single men reduces prices it will do two things Give couples / single lady's. Confidence i ask them for a meet. . And may help the clubs on certain nights Eg regular nice men who benefit from been a club cheaper paying member. Just a idea. Merry Christmas guys. A good point definitely Thing is as a guy you’ve been vetted to attend as a single girl or couple you probably haven’t a guy can’t attend without applying Where’s as anyone else seems to be allowed to just turn up I can name lots of clubs where men just turn up..no vetting at all Not a club to attend then tbh all guests should be vetted There is bad in all out there " Pleasures in Kent is an amazing club...that's just turn up | |||
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"Isn't the wider issue of equality in society in general the problem here? If we lived in a more liberated, less judgemental society and one in which male violence was a thing of the past, more women would feel able to enjoy a sex positive environment and enjoy their sexuality. This would then mean no need for an unequal pricing structure. Of course we also need to recognise the gender pay gap as well. Which on current trends will take until at least 2051 (if we ever get there) to get equal pay between men and women. So I guess what I'm saying is we need to sort out gender equality first " Or maybe you are just over thinking it. Clubs are, generally, about making money and that's pretty much it. | |||
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"Isn't the wider issue of equality in society in general the problem here? If we lived in a more liberated, less judgemental society and one in which male violence was a thing of the past, more women would feel able to enjoy a sex positive environment and enjoy their sexuality. This would then mean no need for an unequal pricing structure. Of course we also need to recognise the gender pay gap as well. Which on current trends will take until at least 2051 (if we ever get there) to get equal pay between men and women. So I guess what I'm saying is we need to sort out gender equality first " I was *really* flippant about it, but this sort of thing is exactly what I meant with my comment about enjoying my cheap entry as a reward for existing with patriarchy. You're spot on Matt. | |||
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"Most clubs fall under "private members club" labels and can charge however much they want to attract one demographics and discourage another. So as it has already been said, it's more a discounted entry for women and couples than overcharging single men. Also, OP, not every single club has got the same policy, some charge men similar prices to couples. And yes, the topic has been discussed on many occasions before and not really getting anywhere. It’s not about discouraging anyone If your saying that’s why club’s charge higher prices that is definitively a stupid business plan As ppl have said they want to attract men to attend cause the women that attend are being used to tempt men to come change pricing policy and they will come Ex A single woman goes to a club 5 days a week at £10 a day/Night = £50 The same visits for a men would be £250 You think that’s ok But if you put a dress on you can come as a woman I think that is an insult to men and women I personally do not agree with TVs and CDs being charged the same entry fees as neither men nor women as they are neither, they are a separate category. Therefore, their entry fees should have been different. " Tvs and CDs are men fact What would you charge them | |||
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"Isn't the wider issue of equality in society in general the problem here? If we lived in a more liberated, less judgemental society and one in which male violence was a thing of the past, more women would feel able to enjoy a sex positive environment and enjoy their sexuality. This would then mean no need for an unequal pricing structure. Of course we also need to recognise the gender pay gap as well. Which on current trends will take until at least 2051 (if we ever get there) to get equal pay between men and women. So I guess what I'm saying is we need to sort out gender equality first Or maybe you are just over thinking it. Clubs are, generally, about making money and that's pretty much it. " See I’m going to hit you with equality now there are plenty of violent women about prisons prove that gender pay gaps definitely not There are plenty women that earn more than men my boss is a woman she would say you choose your job | |||
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"I understand why this question is raised and all the arguments around equality and fairness etc. But ultimately the key points as I see it are 1) the club is a business and is free to set its own charging policy. 2) Single men are free to decide to go or not, so it's their decision, if they don't like it, don't go, which then leaves the club open to review its prices if it loses custom. 3) i think couples should get a discount v 2 individuals as they are a 'single' entry albeit of two people. Talking about bringing men’s prices Down I wouldn’t expect a club to put cpls and fem prices up mind you some have recently But again a cpl is 2 ppl So hence me saying price per person would be all fare then " | |||
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" If i can find a club that doesn't limit single men should you have to let them all in?" Is this what happens at a Greedy Girl session ? | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. " All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock " Blah blah, noise noise, blah blah | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock Blah blah, noise noise, blah blah" Bit of a childish response don’t you think I thought everyone were adults on here | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock Blah blah, noise noise, blah blah Bit of a childish response don’t you think I thought everyone were adults on here " Lol | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock Blah blah, noise noise, blah blah Bit of a childish response don’t you think I thought everyone were adults on here Lol" Obviously a cpl that believes swinging is for cpls and girls only this is what single guys are up against ppl that are stuck in the old ways some equality there | |||
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"Not reading all the other posts so apologies if repeating others’ views. In one sense it is very unfair that guys get charged more. It’s prejudiced as the same product received (ie entry to a club) where nothing is guaranteed anyway. Do I agree with men being charged more? YES. Absolutely. 1. It’s a business. Clubs can charge what they want. Supply and demand all all that. 2. The clubs need to encourage more single women and couples so from a business model they get to pay less. 3. We personally don’t want to attend a sausage fest so if pricing puts men off then it doesn’t impact us; it suits us if anything. We know some couples love single men so appreciate this view isn’t for everyone. Probably not the reason you’d want or like but that’s only our perspective. There are always threads on this and single men getting ripped off etc. and the simple solution is don’t attend if you disagree with prices. All guests are equal as you say so why should they be charged more Why would you want to discourage ppl not to attend number ratios are always worked out so it wouldn’t be a sausage fest Put it on the other foot your a cpl 2ppl why shouldn’t you be charged more as your using the facilities in a double capacity So if there’s a spa for instance you as a cpl are using double what the single guy is Plus not all single women want to play with cpls All perspectives need to be looked at Why do ppl think they are entitled to more than others for less the lifestyle is fir everyone It’s no longer the cpls single girls keys in the bowl we’ve moved on from these times haven’t we Yes you can choose wether you go or not but that is a choice made by all But remember if I turn up in a dress I can present as a single lady when I’m clearly not I’m a cock in a frock Blah blah, noise noise, blah blah Bit of a childish response don’t you think I thought everyone were adults on here " But this, like every time this is discussed, is going around in circles because you don't seem to understand that lots of people don't agree with your viewpoint. Plenty of responses have explained the opposite view, you don't agree, we can all move forward. Everyone can go to the club that suits them and pay or not pay the entrance fee. | |||
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"Had you absorbed my post, you’d appreciate we acknowledged it’s unfair. Two people means two facilities etc. we get it…. but then also two lots of drinks so overall a more costly night and more money put in behind the bar. But nail on the head with your final comment. Each to their own and we have spoken to some good lads socially at clubs but where possible we avoid nights they are there. You just sound a bit salty tbh. Again, bite with your feet or get on a dating app or get some brass if you’re so upset about it. Salty Errr I don’t need to be on a dating app I’m fine working in the lifestyle but agreeing Then say men should be discouraged is contradicting yourself It’s a question in a forum and I asking it on behalf of men so what is the issue are you saying we have no right to ask Have a good Xmas. " | |||
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"OP you say thr club you attend has no gender pricing. What is this clubs name? I know the kink world has no gender pricing. Swinging does, whether right or wrong. Imagine the scenario where as a straight male you attend a club that charges every gender say £30 (which is my local clubs male entry price for a non member). So a MF Couple would be £60 and singles would be £30 regardless of gender. As you enter, no Couples nor single genetic females have attended. Would you be happy? Some clubs with say Females entry at free, £5 or £10 are not inundated with single females at that price. You can't f0rce people to attend, so private member clubs will have a pricing policy that encourages and allows ALL genders to attend at affordable prices so that the overall party has correct ratios for an enjoyable party. The two options are attend or not. As simple as that. And for reference, the correct etiquetteregards trans/TV: if you present as a female, then expect to be treated as a female, including pricing is my clubs stand. This is a spot on policy and nights are catered accordingly for all people's specific wants/desires. " Tvs CDs are not trans let’s get that correct first please I work for a adult party planer who currently have 2 venues one midlands one Essex we charge per person it works we are very successful If there are 2 of you you pay simply how ppm can say it’s not fair when it obviously is is beyond me a lot of comments have said mens prices are high to discourage them to attend obviously mostly from cpls who only like fems Fems lije single guys to They don’t all want to be forced to have to play with cpls If they desire a bit of fun I’ve also had lots of girls question why there is no guts at parties or clubs on some nights Guests in clubs are their bread a butter yes But all guests are so should be treated the same I had clubs tell me they don’t give a fuck about guys They should there money is as good as everyone else’s but be fare you don’t get charged more as a man in vanilla world so why should clubs be different Also at lot of clubs used covid to restart Even closing lifetime memberships that ppl had paid for and recharged them for new memberships don’t bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind And a negative review hurts Our parties are open to every gender we do ratios for all our parties so you are never top heavy on any If you go to a club or party nothing is expected or guaranteed or should be expected You go there to enjoy the night if play happens it happens if it doesn’t you should still have a great night Yes you can choose where you go I’m saying that most guys are vetted as we do before they are allowed to attend so we class them as respectful and nice guys why should they be reprimanded for that surely they should be rewarded To go back to tv cd I get that some make an effort and spend money to look good but some don’t and use it to gain cheap entry Men also spend money to look good it is the individual choice to spend money to look good not the clubs So why reprimand a nice sejected vetted guy | |||
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"OP you say thr club you attend has no gender pricing. What is this clubs name? I know the kink world has no gender pricing. Swinging does, whether right or wrong. Imagine the scenario where as a straight male you attend a club that charges every gender say £30 (which is my local clubs male entry price for a non member). So a MF Couple would be £60 and singles would be £30 regardless of gender. As you enter, no Couples nor single genetic females have attended. Would you be happy? Some clubs with say Females entry at free, £5 or £10 are not inundated with single females at that price. You can't f0rce people to attend, so private member clubs will have a pricing policy that encourages and allows ALL genders to attend at affordable prices so that the overall party has correct ratios for an enjoyable party. The two options are attend or not. As simple as that. And for reference, the correct etiquetteregards trans/TV: if you present as a female, then expect to be treated as a female, including pricing is my clubs stand. This is a spot on policy and nights are catered accordingly for all people's specific wants/desires. Tvs CDs are not trans let’s get that correct first please I work for a adult party planer who currently have 2 venues one midlands one Essex we charge per person it works we are very successful If there are 2 of you you pay simply how ppm can say it’s not fair when it obviously is is beyond me a lot of comments have said mens prices are high to discourage them to attend obviously mostly from cpls who only like fems Fems lije single guys to They don’t all want to be forced to have to play with cpls If they desire a bit of fun I’ve also had lots of girls question why there is no guts at parties or clubs on some nights Guests in clubs are their bread a butter yes But all guests are so should be treated the same I had clubs tell me they don’t give a fuck about guys They should there money is as good as everyone else’s but be fare you don’t get charged more as a man in vanilla world so why should clubs be different Also at lot of clubs used covid to restart Even closing lifetime memberships that ppl had paid for and recharged them for new memberships don’t bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind And a negative review hurts Our parties are open to every gender we do ratios for all our parties so you are never top heavy on any If you go to a club or party nothing is expected or guaranteed or should be expected You go there to enjoy the night if play happens it happens if it doesn’t you should still have a great night Yes you can choose where you go I’m saying that most guys are vetted as we do before they are allowed to attend so we class them as respectful and nice guys why should they be reprimanded for that surely they should be rewarded To go back to tv cd I get that some make an effort and spend money to look good but some don’t and use it to gain cheap entry Men also spend money to look good it is the individual choice to spend money to look good not the clubs So why reprimand a nice sejected vetted guy " Idealism loses to reality | |||
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"OP you say thr club you attend has no gender pricing. What is this clubs name? I know the kink world has no gender pricing. Swinging does, whether right or wrong. Imagine the scenario where as a straight male you attend a club that charges every gender say £30 (which is my local clubs male entry price for a non member). So a MF Couple would be £60 and singles would be £30 regardless of gender. As you enter, no Couples nor single genetic females have attended. Would you be happy? Some clubs with say Females entry at free, £5 or £10 are not inundated with single females at that price. You can't f0rce people to attend, so private member clubs will have a pricing policy that encourages and allows ALL genders to attend at affordable prices so that the overall party has correct ratios for an enjoyable party. The two options are attend or not. As simple as that. And for reference, the correct etiquetteregards trans/TV: if you present as a female, then expect to be treated as a female, including pricing is my clubs stand. This is a spot on policy and nights are catered accordingly for all people's specific wants/desires. Tvs CDs are not trans let’s get that correct first please I work for a adult party planer who currently have 2 venues one midlands one Essex we charge per person it works we are very successful If there are 2 of you you pay simply how ppm can say it’s not fair when it obviously is is beyond me a lot of comments have said mens prices are high to discourage them to attend obviously mostly from cpls who only like fems Fems lije single guys to They don’t all want to be forced to have to play with cpls If they desire a bit of fun I’ve also had lots of girls question why there is no guts at parties or clubs on some nights Guests in clubs are their bread a butter yes But all guests are so should be treated the same I had clubs tell me they don’t give a fuck about guys They should there money is as good as everyone else’s but be fare you don’t get charged more as a man in vanilla world so why should clubs be different Also at lot of clubs used covid to restart Even closing lifetime memberships that ppl had paid for and recharged them for new memberships don’t bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind And a negative review hurts Our parties are open to every gender we do ratios for all our parties so you are never top heavy on any If you go to a club or party nothing is expected or guaranteed or should be expected You go there to enjoy the night if play happens it happens if it doesn’t you should still have a great night Yes you can choose where you go I’m saying that most guys are vetted as we do before they are allowed to attend so we class them as respectful and nice guys why should they be reprimanded for that surely they should be rewarded To go back to tv cd I get that some make an effort and spend money to look good but some don’t and use it to gain cheap entry Men also spend money to look good it is the individual choice to spend money to look good not the clubs So why reprimand a nice sejected vetted guy " Why can you not name these clubs?? Re Trans, TV, correction isn’t needed no one stated them as the same. Genders are unique to the person. Im saying identify them as they identify. Very simple! Other than that most people have nailed reality. I’ve read your waffle and it seems that you’ve had a bad experience or trying to justify the pricing of these mysterious un named venues. I’d say that every club values every customer regardless of gender as long as they stick to the club rules and lifestyle etiquettes. In fact I would argue your stance regards men. Good men are very much wanted by clubs and treated inline with the pricing policy and tend to fair very well by club owners, staff etc | |||
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"Because there not clubs they are private parties" And therefore has to admit his post not true in the comparison highlighted, whilst trying not to reveal to the tax man on party money received maybe. Apart from this post, now seems to have done exactly that and outed these parties to the those local authorities. Whoops! | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men " Yeah but we usually have to fork out for all the makeup, stockings, condoms/prep, lube. Then hours getting ready. And in my experience most tgirls are at clubs to take on the femme role, not to try and get a discount. Tbh it's cheaper to go as a guy than put in all the effort to transform. Cx | |||
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"And also why TVs and CDs pay the same as women Remember they are Men Yeah but we usually have to fork out for all the makeup, stockings, condoms/prep, lube. Then hours getting ready. And in my experience most tgirls are at clubs to take on the femme role, not to try and get a discount. Tbh it's cheaper to go as a guy than put in all the effort to transform. That is your choice and I’m not knocking it Men like others spend money to look and smell nice to and also put effort in Cx" | |||
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"OP you say thr club you attend has no gender pricing. What is this clubs name? I know the kink world has no gender pricing. Swinging does, whether right or wrong. Imagine the scenario where as a straight male you attend a club that charges every gender say £30 (which is my local clubs male entry price for a non member). So a MF Couple would be £60 and singles would be £30 regardless of gender. As you enter, no Couples nor single genetic females have attended. Would you be happy? Some clubs with say Females entry at free, £5 or £10 are not inundated with single females at that price. You can't f0rce people to attend, so private member clubs will have a pricing policy that encourages and allows ALL genders to attend at affordable prices so that the overall party has correct ratios for an enjoyable party. The two options are attend or not. As simple as that. And for reference, the correct etiquetteregards trans/TV: if you present as a female, then expect to be treated as a female, including pricing is my clubs stand. This is a spot on policy and nights are catered accordingly for all people's specific wants/desires. Tvs CDs are not trans let’s get that correct first please I work for a adult party planer who currently have 2 venues one midlands one Essex we charge per person it works we are very successful If there are 2 of you you pay simply how ppm can say it’s not fair when it obviously is is beyond me a lot of comments have said mens prices are high to discourage them to attend obviously mostly from cpls who only like fems Fems lije single guys to They don’t all want to be forced to have to play with cpls If they desire a bit of fun I’ve also had lots of girls question why there is no guts at parties or clubs on some nights Guests in clubs are their bread a butter yes But all guests are so should be treated the same I had clubs tell me they don’t give a fuck about guys They should there money is as good as everyone else’s but be fare you don’t get charged more as a man in vanilla world so why should clubs be different Also at lot of clubs used covid to restart Even closing lifetime memberships that ppl had paid for and recharged them for new memberships don’t bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind And a negative review hurts Our parties are open to every gender we do ratios for all our parties so you are never top heavy on any If you go to a club or party nothing is expected or guaranteed or should be expected You go there to enjoy the night if play happens it happens if it doesn’t you should still have a great night Yes you can choose where you go I’m saying that most guys are vetted as we do before they are allowed to attend so we class them as respectful and nice guys why should they be reprimanded for that surely they should be rewarded To go back to tv cd I get that some make an effort and spend money to look good but some don’t and use it to gain cheap entry Men also spend money to look good it is the individual choice to spend money to look good not the clubs So why reprimand a nice sejected vetted guy Why can you not name these clubs?? Re Trans, TV, correction isn’t needed no one stated them as the same. Genders are unique to the person. Im saying identify them as they identify. Very simple! Other than that most people have nailed reality. I’ve read your waffle and it seems that you’ve had a bad experience or trying to justify the pricing of these mysterious un named venues. I’d say that every club values every customer regardless of gender as long as they stick to the club rules and lifestyle etiquettes. In fact I would argue your stance regards men. Good men are very much wanted by clubs and treated inline with the pricing policy and tend to fair very well by club owners, staff etc" I don’t need to name clubs it wasn’t the intention of the question And saying it’s waffle It’s fact maybe it’s not a question you have liked but again we are allowed to ask if you were paying a higher premium you’d ask to Nothing to do with my experience and no I haven’t had a bad experience I ask questions that some ppl don’t like to hear but they are still justified I work at venues my choice of club when I’m not working I have not mentioned either If ppl have a problem with a club it’s usually done on the reviews page when’s a they’ve attended | |||
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"Because there not clubs they are private parties And therefore has to admit his post not true in the comparison highlighted, whilst trying not to reveal to the tax man on party money received maybe. Apart from this post, now seems to have done exactly that and outed these parties to the those local authorities. Whoops!" I’ve outed no one and if you speak to party planners they are usually classed as a business so they fall into the same remit Parties clubs all the same tbh they are usually held in a venue that has to be paid for Simple question to start really I’ve only answered will ppl have taken it | |||
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"Because there not clubs they are private parties" I’ve seen private parties charge more than clubs but as you know they are mostly daytime parties with paid girls The question was regarding clubs and parties | |||
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"Because there not clubs they are private parties I’ve seen private parties charge more than clubs but as you know they are mostly daytime parties with paid girls The question was regarding clubs and parties " Girls paid for what? Being paid doesn't sound like swinging. Some people pay more for electricity, water, gas than some others; is that fair? That's the way the world is. You're entitled to ask the question. Clubs charge what they feel they need to charge. It business; don't take it personally. | |||
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"Why are people (men not including the ones in frocks) paying these extortionate prices? If someone told me I have to pay multiples of someone rise to attend their venue I’d tell them to jog on Exactly my thoughts it’s unfair Women seemed to be used as meat to attract then cpls saying they bring nothing to the party So should pay premium Unfortunately I’d like to say no cock available the women won’t come either " As a straight woman I wouldn't attend if there were no single guys. Also agree that single guys are fleeced with entry fees and memberships at some clubs. Clubs get away with it only because the guys are paying. If they stopped then clubs would have to amend the pricing structures. Sadly I fear it would end up being the more desperate guys paying for action who would still pay...and so the cycle continues | |||
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"Yes they're fair. If you think that's unjust, imagine living in 2025 and still not getting paid as much as your peers because you don't have a penis. Now, can you please put some of this ire into getting equal pay for women? No...didn't think so "really! so me mr,and you in the same job and same hours per week would get different pay in a national minimal wage job? No...didn't think so | |||
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