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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Following the implementation of the couples area (3 rooms and passage way on the top floor) we will now be allowing single male members entry on a Saturday night. We will reserve the right to limit number if we feel the ration is too far out and you need to be a member to attend. We no longer accept single male memberships on the desk and applications need to be done online at www.pandoraswingers.com/membership. There is a 48hr waiting period from application and you need a minimum of 2 verifications on FAB swingers in the last 3 months.

I posted a similar post that vanished earlier in the week and a few people sent us private messages. Some indicating they would no longer be attending as they don't want SM but the majority claiming the opposite that they stayed away as they want SM.

We are trying to appease everyone (An impossible task) as well as give our valued single male members a place they can go on a Saturday night. I would ask the couples who do not want the attention of single guys to give it a try before deciding.

To the single guys who don't think it's fair to ban them from an area of the club and try to "sneak" upstairs it's only 3 rooms in a club with over 23 rooms. We will be increasing staff walkabouts and if anyone is found to be flouting the rules they will be asked to get dressed and leave. If on a return visit they do it again they will have their membership cancelled and will no longer be welcome, the alternative is to go back to NO single males on a Saturday so the choice is a simple one.

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By *astesLikeMagicWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

Oooh a great start

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum

Yes it is hard to please everyone. I'm sorry to be one of those that is never pleased by this type of resolution, unless your offering us a discounted entry price to compensate. I'd rather you went back to the arrangement you had of alowing single guys in every alternative Saturday's when you first stated (obviously be selective about who you let in too).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We could do that but the upstairs would still be couples only so you wouldn't benefit.

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum


"We could do that but the upstairs would still be couples only so you wouldn't benefit."

Kind of missed my point but fair enough. I shall carry on attending places where I'm welcomed and not seen as a nuisance to be put up with for the sake of my entrance fee.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We could do that but the upstairs would still be couples only so you wouldn't benefit.

Kind of missed my point but fair enough. I shall carry on attending places where I'm welcomed and not seen as a nuisance to be put up with for the sake of my entrance fee. "

On your point about getting a discount if part of the club is out of bounds to you, would you suggest we discount straight members entry as we have a dedicated Bi room?

We do not think that all single males are nuisances, on the contrary we have some amazing SM members but it is fair to say that some are. We hope that by implementing the rule we attract single males who are an asset to the swinging community so they have a place they can come whilst at the same time eliminate the problematic ones who give single guys such a bad name.

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum


"We could do that but the upstairs would still be couples only so you wouldn't benefit.

Kind of missed my point but fair enough. I shall carry on attending places where I'm welcomed and not seen as a nuisance to be put up with for the sake of my entrance fee.

On your point about getting a discount if part of the club is out of bounds to you, would you suggest we discount straight members entry as we have a dedicated Bi room?

"

If by doing so you've effectively blocked off one 3rd of the club to straight members then I would say yes you should.

But what I asked was why can't you go back to how it was at the start when the entirety of the club was open to single guys on alternate Saturdays while being selective about the guys you let in (which to be fair you weren't back then, which lead to issues, yes I know you weren't in charge at that time).

To which you came back with "We could do that but the upstairs would still be couples only so you wouldn't benefit"

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Every club I've ever been to have had 'couples only' rooms or areas, and couples who use them clearly don't want the attention of single males, however 'select' they may be!

I'm delighted that you've decided to allow selected single males on a Saturday, and look forward to liaisons with couples who do want the attention of a single male.

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By *hathappensnowCouple
over a year ago

Rotherham

We selected pandoras on a Saturday for the very reason it was couples only (and unicorns but we don’t play with them and let’s be fair, they hardly exist lol) so sadly we won’t be attending on the nights that single guys are in attendance

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By *anclad20500Man
over a year ago

Salford

How about me and you get together as a couple and then we can go up to the couples room? If your so interested in being up there?

Surely it won’t matter to you that we are both men?

Unless it’s just the women you are after.

Then it appears you are one of the reasons this rule is needed.

BTW I’m a member and I think it’s absolutely needed to make couples feel safer, if they want to play with single males they will happily come downstairs

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By *anclad20500Man
over a year ago

Salford

That last message was to _nseen by the way I didn’t press the quote button

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum


"How about me and you get together as a couple and then we can go up to the couples room? If your so interested in being up there?

Surely it won’t matter to you that we are both men?

Unless it’s just the women you are after.

Then it appears you are one of the reasons this rule is needed.

BTW I’m a member and I think it’s absolutely needed to make couples feel safer, if they want to play with single males they will happily come downstairs "

With due respect you need to learn to comprehend my issue isn't who's up there.

Why do you make the assumption that I would have an issue with 2 men being a couple?

On one hand you say you want to make couples feel safe, on the other hand your advising me on how to break rules. I think there's a warning flag there for people.

From the one couple that's replied on this thread they would prefer no single guys be allowed in on a Saturday, and I'm sure others feel the same way and I agree with that if that what they want, why not let them have that and have an alternate Saturday where singles guys can go unrestricted along with those who feel comfortable with single guys being around.

Anyways I'm quite bored of repeating my self, so I shall exit this discussion.

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By *rMrs84Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster

To be honest for us a pull for Pandoras is the lack of single males on a Saturday night, but then they’re not what we’re after generally and came on other nights if they were. We like alternating nights personally but the couples only rooms are

Somewhat of a compromise. We have found on some nights in the past that the men weren’t ‘policed’ well and were allowed to walk around play rooms fully dressed.

They’re a tough crowd to incorporate without limits. I don’t envy it, and I certainly don’t think a ‘discount’ would be needed - funniest thing I’ve read in a while.

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By *etsukaCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

As long as the couples area is policed by staff, that’s fantastic news.

We deliberately avoid couples only nights, we tend to find them a bit tepid compared to party nights. We are friends with a few single females on the scene and I (female half of the couple) often come out to play alone and we all actively avoid nights where single men are banned - because a lot of single women also want the choice of choosing whether they play with men or couples.

My partner also says if we are ever playing in the couples only area, he is always happy to help police it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never been but tonight I think we will try... Sounds like your trying get the balance right, which is hard.. at best

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By *aidForSharingWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

Staff 'policing' any areas is too off-putting. Some of them ogle the players even more than the single men do. It all sounds like we're naughty children expected to be on our best behaviour. When everyone else is dressed down and fully clothed staff are patrolling it spoils the atmosphere.

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


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Staff 'policing' any areas is too off-putting. Some of them ogle the players even more than the single men do. It all sounds like we're naughty children expected to be on our best behaviour. When everyone else is dressed down and fully clothed staff are patrolling it spoils the atmosphere.

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A fully clothed member of staff ensuring adherence to the club's rules and security is far preferable to customers wandering about doing whatever they please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not alternate the Saturdays one with Single males

One without

We got tired of the wanking dead following us so we much prefer couples only now

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We thank each and every one of you for your comments, all we can do is try it and see how well it is received.

Last night (Friday) we explained to every single male who came into the club about not wondering up onto the couples area and on the whole it worked well. Despite the verbal warning when they came in and the 4ft Posters at the foot of the stairs we still had 2 guys who failed to follow the rules and they were both asked to get dressed and leave.

It's not about expecting customers to be on their best behaviour, its about creating a safe zone within the club that couples who do not want the attention of single guys can go whilst at the same time catering for single males and the couples/SF who are looing for them.

Regards staff members being off putting tonight I will be the staff member policing the club and will be periodically popping to the top of the stairs, i doubt anyone will notice me. Chewy & Sabine will be behind the bar and Peter is on the desk

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why not alternate the Saturdays one with Single males

One without

We got tired of the wanking dead following us so we much prefer couples only now "

We tried this and it causes more problems. From the couples who due to shared child care can only come alternative weeks and therefor can only come once every month to guys in reception who get their weeks wrong.

As i say we will give it a try and see how it goes. If people respect the rules i can't see why everyone cannot enjoy the club

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By *etsukaCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

I doubt that a staff member at the top of the stairs would be at all intrusive, they can barely see in play areas from there.

I mean pandoras is a big enough club that the top floor is the equivalent size of the entire play area in other clubs, I think some people are just very sensitive and tunnel vision.

A lot of couples don’t want to attend when it’s just other couples…we’ve been to plenty of events like that and there’s no group fun and loads of really boring small talk. Also…controversial but we’ve been on the scene 6 years now and we’ve found some couples more disrespectful than the majority of single men, I don’t think it’s fair to tar all single men with the same brush. Maybe just vetting which single men attend.

Maybe the couples who don’t want others to approach should just stay on their floor or there be a couples only socialising area.

At the end of the day, if 50 percent of couples want/don’t mind single men there and a lot of single women want single men there, it’s a numbers game and the venue needs to make money and get people through the doors.

We are far more likely to attend now xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We thank each and every one of you for your comments, all we can do is try it and see how well it is received.

Last night (Friday) we explained to every single male who came into the club about not wondering up onto the couples area and on the whole it worked well. Despite the verbal warning when they came in and the 4ft Posters at the foot of the stairs we still had 2 guys who failed to follow the rules and they were both asked to get dressed and leave.

It's not about expecting customers to be on their best behaviour, its about creating a safe zone within the club that couples who do not want the attention of single guys can go whilst at the same time catering for single males and the couples/SF who are looing for them.

Regards staff members being off putting tonight I will be the staff member policing the club and will be periodically popping to the top of the stairs, i doubt anyone will notice me. Chewy & Sabine will be behind the bar and Peter is on the desk

"

Really good you asked those offending single males to leave. Breaking rules like that unchecked damages a clubs reputation so it's great to no pandoras doesn't stand for it and that's made us feel like planing a visit (we do play with single. Ales but we also play with couples and if the other couple is t into single guys then there should be a safe space for them).

What did the 2 single guys say when you asked them to leave?

Did they give any reason why they thought those rules didn't apply to them?

KJ

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We thank each and every one of you for your comments, all we can do is try it and see how well it is received.

Last night (Friday) we explained to every single male who came into the club about not wondering up onto the couples area and on the whole it worked well. Despite the verbal warning when they came in and the 4ft Posters at the foot of the stairs we still had 2 guys who failed to follow the rules and they were both asked to get dressed and leave.

It's not about expecting customers to be on their best behaviour, its about creating a safe zone within the club that couples who do not want the attention of single guys can go whilst at the same time catering for single males and the couples/SF who are looing for them.

Regards staff members being off putting tonight I will be the staff member policing the club and will be periodically popping to the top of the stairs, i doubt anyone will notice me. Chewy & Sabine will be behind the bar and Peter is on the desk

Really good you asked those offending single males to leave. Breaking rules like that unchecked damages a clubs reputation so it's great to no pandoras doesn't stand for it and that's made us feel like planing a visit (we do play with single. Ales but we also play with couples and if the other couple is t into single guys then there should be a safe space for them).

What did the 2 single guys say when you asked them to leave?

Did they give any reason why they thought those rules didn't apply to them?

KJ"

lol. Funny you should ask.

The second guy didn't say anything. Just got changed and left.

The first guy however was found crouching in the glory hole section of the first room trying to hide. He pleaded with Sam for a second chance then used the usual "I got invited up, I dint think rules applied on a Friday, There were other SM etc. etc finally when he realised we wouldn't back down he went downstairs as though he was going to the changing room and doubled back along the pool table room and hid behind one of the pillars. Finally he left then returned 30 mins later for his £5.00 locker deposit (-£1.00 for a bottle of water he had taken earlier in the night)

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By *etsukaCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"We thank each and every one of you for your comments, all we can do is try it and see how well it is received.

Last night (Friday) we explained to every single male who came into the club about not wondering up onto the couples area and on the whole it worked well. Despite the verbal warning when they came in and the 4ft Posters at the foot of the stairs we still had 2 guys who failed to follow the rules and they were both asked to get dressed and leave.

It's not about expecting customers to be on their best behaviour, its about creating a safe zone within the club that couples who do not want the attention of single guys can go whilst at the same time catering for single males and the couples/SF who are looing for them.

Regards staff members being off putting tonight I will be the staff member policing the club and will be periodically popping to the top of the stairs, i doubt anyone will notice me. Chewy & Sabine will be behind the bar and Peter is on the desk

Really good you asked those offending single males to leave. Breaking rules like that unchecked damages a clubs reputation so it's great to no pandoras doesn't stand for it and that's made us feel like planing a visit (we do play with single. Ales but we also play with couples and if the other couple is t into single guys then there should be a safe space for them).

What did the 2 single guys say when you asked them to leave?

Did they give any reason why they thought those rules didn't apply to them?

KJ

lol. Funny you should ask.

The second guy didn't say anything. Just got changed and left.

The first guy however was found crouching in the glory hole section of the first room trying to hide. He pleaded with Sam for a second chance then used the usual "I got invited up, I dint think rules applied on a Friday, There were other SM etc. etc finally when he realised we wouldn't back down he went downstairs as though he was going to the changing room and doubled back along the pool table room and hid behind one of the pillars. Finally he left then returned 30 mins later for his £5.00 locker deposit (-£1.00 for a bottle of water he had taken earlier in the night)

"

Oh my god that is hilarious

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

As long as you are treating single women in the same way where they are not allowed in the couples only area then I don’t think there should be an issue….

It would have been interesting to see if the alternate Saturday idea would have worked …

I have always said that as a single guy if couples want to treat you like shit on the bottom of your shoe why on earth would you want to potentially play with them in the first place!

I also get that sometimes single men can be their own worst enemies …. And actually some of the worst behaviour I have seen in clubs are one half of a couple who think they can get away with stuff because they are there as a couple!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As long as you are treating single women in the same way where they are not allowed in the couples only area then I don’t think there should be an issue….

It would have been interesting to see if the alternate Saturday idea would have worked …

Hi Fabio

We tried the alternative weeks and it didn't work.

Regarding single females going onto the third floor, the first report I get of large numbers of single females walking around in towels, trying to get into locked rooms, kneeling down trying to peer through a 2mm gap in a window whilst rubbing one off I will be all over it.

I have always said that as a single guy if couples want to treat you like shit on the bottom of your shoe why on earth would you want to potentially play with them in the first place!

I also get that sometimes single men can be their own worst enemies …. And actually some of the worst behaviour I have seen in clubs are one half of a couple who think they can get away with stuff because they are there as a couple! "

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


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Regarding single females going onto the third floor, the first report I get of large numbers of single females walking around in towels, trying to get into locked rooms, kneeling down trying to peer through a 2mm gap in a window whilst rubbing one off I will be all over it.

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

Everyone's going on about the single guys how about the nuissance si gle ladies ??

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland


"As long as you are treating single women in the same way where they are not allowed in the couples only area then I don’t think there should be an issue….

It would have been interesting to see if the alternate Saturday idea would have worked …

I have always said that as a single guy if couples want to treat you like shit on the bottom of your shoe why on earth would you want to potentially play with them in the first place!

I also get that sometimes single men can be their own worst enemies …. And actually some of the worst behaviour I have seen in clubs are one half of a couple who think they can get away with stuff because they are there as a couple! "
I've seen this alot and I'd go with your thinking big man

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

Does being loud when you have a deep voice make you problematic hehe asking for a friend. I was gonna Bob down with my close friend and meet some friends. I heard about the club but not been yet

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By *exy4youxxWoman
over a year ago

Pontefract

I'm so glad you have done this but I'll reply properly tomorrow lol wine and tv taking over my evening tonight ... Was advised of this thread by a friend x

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By *exy4youxxWoman
over a year ago

Pontefract

But will add to you couples complaining... you get a floor to yourself so sm shouldn't bother you unless it's the fact a lot of us single females prefer a mixture because we are fed up feeling like your play toy for your hubby ...

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"Following the implementation of the couples area (3 rooms and passage way on the top floor) we will now be allowing single male members entry on a Saturday night. We will reserve the right to limit number if we feel the ration is too far out and you need to be a member to attend. We no longer accept single male memberships on the desk and applications need to be done online at www.pandoraswingers.com/membership. There is a 48hr waiting period from application and you need a minimum of 2 verifications on FAB swingers in the last 3 months.

I posted a similar post that vanished earlier in the week and a few people sent us private messages. Some indicating they would no longer be attending as they don't want SM but the majority claiming the opposite that they stayed away as they want SM.

We are trying to appease everyone (An impossible task) as well as give our valued single male members a place they can go on a Saturday night. I would ask the couples who do not want the attention of single guys to give it a try before deciding.

To the single guys who don't think it's fair to ban them from an area of the club and try to "sneak" upstairs it's only 3 rooms in a club with over 23 rooms. We will be increasing staff walkabouts and if anyone is found to be flouting the rules they will be asked to get dressed and leave. If on a return visit they do it again they will have their membership cancelled and will no longer be welcome, the alternative is to go back to NO single males on a Saturday so the choice is a simple one."

Fair play to you, for trying to make single males feel welcome and included at any time, not just on Saturday nights. I’m in the Leeds area several times a year, but always land on those Saturday nights single guys weren’t able to visit Pandora, so this could be an option for me in the future. I hope it works for you

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