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"Hellfire. Wouldn't bother with Abfab again" Would interested to know why? | |||
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"Due to what you said about yourself in the opening post, I think Hellfire will be the better choice for you. I think you should really not worry about any "secret magical" opener pickup line, a friend normal conversation starting with a simple "hello guys" will be perfect. However, if you feel shy about this, then Hellfire's Bad Girls night is specially made for you, as the party is designed around a game when girls need to approach men, so they will come up with the pickup line to you! ![]() I have to disagree you with regarding the age thing at AbFabs. I find most who attend are in their 30s/40s and the whole ‘attractive’ thing - that depends on what you define as being attractive. AbFabs have a greedy girls night, where there are more single men …. And you don’t have to pay girls …. Just saying. | |||
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"I have to disagree you with regarding the age thing at AbFabs. I find most who attend are in their 30s/40s and the whole ‘attractive’ thing - that depends on what you define as being attractive. AbFabs have a greedy girls night, where there are more single men …. And you don’t have to pay girls …. Just saying. " I don't know, probably you are right, I was only talked about my experiences. I used to be a regular in the old Kestrels/Abfabs both daytime and parties, then visited the new venue once before and 3 times after lockdown. My experience was that the crowd has changed a lot compared to the old venue's Friday night parties. Maybe it's not even true, maybe it only happened on that 4 occasions when I visited the club. And even if it is, it's not a bad thing. I think that is actually a positive thing if all demographics can find a place that matches their preferences. ![]() ![]() | |||
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" To be honest, I also find the concept of "play dollars" a bit weird, especially with real cash prizes to be paid out, but I don't think that any of the girls would go their with the mind of "let's earn some money". It's a game, maybe a bit on the edge, but nothing more I guess. I've never been to that event, just read it on their website, btw. " I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me. | |||
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"I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me. " Yes, that was my first thought too that this one is a bit edgy. But on the other hand, I like the idea if a club organizes some fun game, which can be a good ice-breaker. I really don't think that any woman would go there for earning money it's just a bit of fun. I can imagine that some of them will go with all and any men for the sake of the game - which I won't be able to understand as I would never have sex with someone who doesn't attract me. But the event is called "bad girls' night" and to be fair I have seen ladies on other "greedy girls" events too not to be picky at all but suck each and every cock which was available. And they could not care less about what sort of men is on the other side of that dick. For me it's the same I can't understand it, nor will I judge them, if they enjoy it, it's their business... ![]() | |||
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"I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me. Yes, that was my first thought too that this one is a bit edgy. But on the other hand, I like the idea if a club organizes some fun game, which can be a good ice-breaker. I really don't think that any woman would go there for earning money it's just a bit of fun. I can imagine that some of them will go with all and any men for the sake of the game - which I won't be able to understand as I would never have sex with someone who doesn't attract me. But the event is called "bad girls' night" and to be fair I have seen ladies on other "greedy girls" events too not to be picky at all but suck each and every cock which was available. And they could not care less about what sort of men is on the other side of that dick. For me it's the same I can't understand it, nor will I judge them, if they enjoy it, it's their business... ![]() I get that. It’s not for me - I’m too picky. I like the greedy girl nights simply because there’s more of a selection of guys - bit because I’d want to go with anyone and everyone. | |||
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"Alright , I will be in London near Heathrow on 18/3 night which happens to be a Friday night. Would appreciate advice on whether I should go to abfabs or hellfire. Being a single male who is very poor at pick up lines which of the two places will I have more chances to score? Hellfire has a bad girls night , not sure what Abfabs has, both are equally expensive £60-70 so money is not a factor in making a choice. My last visit to quest was a complete sausage fest to an extent I stopped visiting clubs for a while due PTSD from seeing so many desperate males. ( no offence intended i am a part of them )" Ab Fabs is a billion times better than Hellfire! ![]() | |||
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"Just one comment. Don’t go ‘expecting a shag’ go to meet folks and have fun. If you get to play that’s a bonus!" This! Can't comment on venues as have only been to AbFabs, never Hellfire. | |||
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"Someone mentioned ‘classy’.. Well Hellfire is as classy as any other club we’ve been to and that includes KK and Le Boudoir. " Absolutely agree with that, I'm a regular at LB, and due to my NYE visit at Hellfire I can totally confirm that this club matches LB in class. Both the venue and the crowd. The only downside is the location, if you don't drive, that's a bit of a pain to get home at the night. | |||
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"@HellfireClub, Peter, once you are here, just one question, or maybe an idea. I went to your NYE party, and that was truly amazing! (previously I only visited your club once on a Wednesday 7-8 years ago) I used to be a regular at the old Abfab's Friday night parties and have been four times in their new club. I really don't mean it as an offence to anyone, but my experience says that a significant part of their clientele seems to haven't followed them to the new venue. I remember that whenever I attended the old club's Friday night, I could literally fall in love 2-3 times a night... :D (that's another question if that "love" has been followed by any action or not. ![]() I'm interested to know how you would target the old Kestrels members. You don't exactly have a membership list. I do remember that Hellfire offered discount to Ks/Ab Fabs members when it closed down. Plus to be honest most of the old Kestrels members knew about Hellfire and if they haven't tried it in the time between Kestrels closing on the new one opening I doubt they are likely to bother. | |||
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"@Freddy81 Hi, in the 11 years I have owned and run Hellfire (14 with Lancaster gate etc), I have never bothered for one minute, where we stand relative to other clubs, looked at how they operate, or commented on them. All Clubs have their USP`s; I only know what I am trying to achieve and believe we are close to that goal: A club, where style, manners, decor and innovative parties attract quality clientele, who in turn, bring their friends along. We have busy and quiet nights, as with every club, but in the past year, more than doubled the number of couples who regularly attend; where they have come from, frankly, I don`t know. `A Company Of One` and `Atomic Habits` are the books that best reflect, my approach to running Hellfire. " Thanks, for the response, Peter, fair thinking! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I'm interested to know how you would target the old Kestrels members. You don't exactly have a membership list " I don't know, I think promoting a swinger club must be hard in general too (I'm not talking about Hellfire particularly). I doubt if Facebook, Insta or Google would allow running ads on their platforms if it's about swinger clubs, but somehow clubs should reach people outside of these fabs-style pages too. Some fresh blood is always good in a club. I think LB does it well, I don't know what they do, but looking at their crowd it works... | |||
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"It seems Abfabs is a bit more posh and classy . But hellfire will give more chance for action considering the kind of event they are hosting. " Are you having a laugh ![]() | |||
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"But to answer the question, Hellfire every time. Better people and a sexier more intimate atmosphere. Ab Fabs is great for chilling but too often fails to hit the right sexy vibe for us, for all the reasons Delicious Pleasures outline." Totally agree!! The best/ longest playtimes we have ever had was at hellfire before lockdown with the later opening!! The nights used to be fun, crazy, busy and very sexy!!! Some amazing nights had and agree better people especially considering we met eachother there ![]() | |||
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" ![]() Yes would love it if bad girls went on until at least 2am x ![]() | |||
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"which is the best for a suturday night play?" that depends on what you’re looking for. Saturday at Abfabs is couples and single fems only. Most Saturdays at Hellfire allow single guys so there will be two different atmospheres. | |||
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