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"what are peoples thoughts on this club and would you return as a new member? given the news that this club has got upfront problems and that cirtain people at the club are just plain rude.(staff) I wont be returning as a matter of fact " Totally agree. Place has lost its appeal. They don't listen to customers and the set up around the gloryholes, private rooms are a absolute disappointment. | |||
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"Not had any issues with staff there pre or post covid, can’t understand why you would not go again because of one rude staff member. Don’t forget you never know the strains or mental heath issues people mite be under at any given time. If you can’t forgive and forget one rude episode ( or what you perceived to be rude) then I think that’s pretty shallow of you." Saying someone is "shallow" because they posted a personal opinion of a place, on a forum designed for people to make opinions, is well.. "very shallow of you" | |||
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"Not had any issues with staff there pre or post covid, can’t understand why you would not go again because of one rude staff member. Don’t forget you never know the strains or mental heath issues people mite be under at any given time. If you can’t forgive and forget one rude episode ( or what you perceived to be rude) then I think that’s pretty shallow of you. Saying someone is "shallow" because they posted a personal opinion of a place, on a forum designed for people to make opinions, is well.. "very shallow of you"" Sorry but it now seems you have a vendetta against the club as all you do is slate the club. In a previous post you got your facts wrong. No single guys on a Saturday. Private rooms downstairs. Maybe you got turned away from entering or you are affiliated with another club. | |||
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"Not had any issues with staff there pre or post covid, can’t understand why you would not go again because of one rude staff member. Don’t forget you never know the strains or mental heath issues people mite be under at any given time. If you can’t forgive and forget one rude episode ( or what you perceived to be rude) then I think that’s pretty shallow of you. Saying someone is "shallow" because they posted a personal opinion of a place, on a forum designed for people to make opinions, is well.. "very shallow of you" Sorry but it now seems you have a vendetta against the club as all you do is slate the club. In a previous post you got your facts wrong. No single guys on a Saturday. Private rooms downstairs. Maybe you got turned away from entering or you are affiliated with another club. " Went yesterday afternoon for our first daytime visit since it reopened. The pool was a lovely temperature, there were plenty of couples, the single men were polite and well behaved, the staff were pleasant, helpful and welcoming. We shall certainly be going back when time allows. | |||
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"Not had any issues with staff there pre or post covid, can’t understand why you would not go again because of one rude staff member. Don’t forget you never know the strains or mental heath issues people mite be under at any given time. If you can’t forgive and forget one rude episode ( or what you perceived to be rude) then I think that’s pretty shallow of you. Saying someone is "shallow" because they posted a personal opinion of a place, on a forum designed for people to make opinions, is well.. "very shallow of you" Sorry but it now seems you have a vendetta against the club as all you do is slate the club. In a previous post you got your facts wrong. No single guys on a Saturday. Private rooms downstairs. Maybe you got turned away from entering or you are affiliated with another club. " Give your brain a break. We don't have a vendetta, and never been turned away from any club. We are allowed to have an opinion ffs. We used to love the place. In our "opinion" it's no longer a decent venue. Glad you love the place, think it says more about you than us. | |||
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"Just been to Kestrels yesterday evening, and I really can`t understand the fuss against this club here. The staff was absolutely helpful and nice. £50 entry for a Friday night party as a single man is really friendly. Not to mention, £4 for a double JD+mixer in the bar, also a bargain! The venue is huge, clean, and really nice. Okay, you can`t compare it with the old Kestrels, but unfortunately, they can`t break down the ceiling to make it open-air... Just an idea: maybe it would be worth buying a few metres of wire and a couple of speakers, so the music could be played on the ground floor too. And a little inconvenience, but it`s not the fault of the management - transport. It was easy to get there by public transport, but not that easy to leave, as the bus which stops in front of the venue is not a 24H service. I also wasn`t aware of that there is no more 24H underground on Fridays???? I did not want to spend £40-£50 on a cab to get home, rather watch a movie on my phone on the bus/tube, but it was a bit of a mess getting back to North London... Overall, I had a good time and I think the club has huge potential. I`ll be back again, for sure." . My one and only visit to the new Kestrels before Covid19 from my front door to Kestrels front door I spent 2 and a half hours traveling , waiting for connections and walking.In all honesty can’t see me going to AbFabs in the evening and trying to get back to North London I don’t really want to pay £50 odd to get home in a cab.So if I do go it will probably be daytime to Kestrels as long as I start my journey early enough and I can sort out my thought process about something that happened regarding Kestrels / AbFabs management. | |||
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"We used to go few years a go and always had a good night. So we joined on line as directed by Web site but No reply. So called to speak to someone to check and still no reply. So we text and no reply still. We said what the he'll they did always seem to be a bit haphazard getting back to you we will just pop over. Just popping being a hours drive after we had arranged sitters for the kids. When we got there we were told need two covid jabs proffs which is not a problem but we didn't have on us so they said download the app which we did. And then turns out takes up to 7 days to verify who you are ffs. Why can't they put a message on their site if they require all this as it fucked our whole evening up and we probably won't bother again there now due to their lack of communications. No wonder some clubs struggle shouldn't be in business we made every attempt to contact them fucking hopeless private meets and hotels could be the way forward " Did you not read the website as it clearly states on there what you need to enter. Even on event bright | |||
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"My one and only visit to the new Kestrels before Covid19 from my front door to Kestrels front door I spent 2 and a half hours traveling , waiting for connections and walking.In all honesty can’t see me going to AbFabs in the evening and trying to get back to North London I don’t really want to pay £50 odd to get home in a cab.So if I do go it will probably be daytime to Kestrels as long as I start my journey early enough and I can sort out my thought process about something that happened regarding Kestrels / AbFabs management." For me, it was also almost 2 hours to get there and almost 3 to get home... But if a party is good, that worths it. I can listen to podcasts or watch a movie on public transport, so it's not a completely wasted time. As long as I can get home at the night I don`t mind if it takes long. This is my main problem with Eurekas for example, from there you just CAN`T get home at the night.... I`ll go back for sure to Kestrels, even if only occasionally. | |||
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"My one and only visit to the new Kestrels before Covid19 from my front door to Kestrels front door I spent 2 and a half hours traveling , waiting for connections and walking.In all honesty can’t see me going to AbFabs in the evening and trying to get back to North London I don’t really want to pay £50 odd to get home in a cab.So if I do go it will probably be daytime to Kestrels as long as I start my journey early enough and I can sort out my thought process about something that happened regarding Kestrels / AbFabs management. For me, it was also almost 2 hours to get there and almost 3 to get home... But if a party is good, that worths it. I can listen to podcasts or watch a movie on public transport, so it's not a completely wasted time. As long as I can get home at the night I don`t mind if it takes long. This is my main problem with Eurekas for example, from there you just CAN`T get home at the night.... I`ll go back for sure to Kestrels, even if only occasionally." . 3 hour public transport journey on London Underground and London bus back to North London is ok if you don’t have to go to work next morning or have something important to do.Similar to yourself if I go it will be occasionally.Such a shame we don’t have to something like this in North London | |||
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"Not had any issues with staff there pre or post covid, can’t understand why you would not go again because of one rude staff member. Don’t forget you never know the strains or mental heath issues people mite be under at any given time. If you can’t forgive and forget one rude episode ( or what you perceived to be rude) then I think that’s pretty shallow of you. Saying someone is "shallow" because they posted a personal opinion of a place, on a forum designed for people to make opinions, is well.. "very shallow of you" Sorry but it now seems you have a vendetta against the club as all you do is slate the club. In a previous post you got your facts wrong. No single guys on a Saturday. Private rooms downstairs. Maybe you got turned away from entering or you are affiliated with another club. " why are you quoting me, I never said anything bad about the club | |||
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"This is a great club, I've never witnessed any rude staff, they are always helpful in my opinion. The facilities are clean and there is plenty of space, a large cinema room and plenty of play areas. I'm going back tomorrow afternoon " | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. " . I can understand what you are saying. I am 50 / 50 as to whether to renew my membership and the fact we will never know if the previous owners family are still earning from the club does make it harder for me to commit one way or another. | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. . I can understand what you are saying. I am 50 / 50 as to whether to renew my membership and the fact we will never know if the previous owners family are still earning from the club does make it harder for me to commit one way or another." This is our problem as well at the moment. It is our nearest club and we've been once to the new venue and really liked it but at the moment feel uncomfortable potentially supporting them if there is still a financial link. | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. . I can understand what you are saying. I am 50 / 50 as to whether to renew my membership and the fact we will never know if the previous owners family are still earning from the club does make it harder for me to commit one way or another. This is our problem as well at the moment. It is our nearest club and we've been once to the new venue and really liked it but at the moment feel uncomfortable potentially supporting them if there is still a financial link." . I can understand what you are saying on previous forums when I mentioned this I was told that I don’t know if they are still together , they don’t make millions and if someone knew they were going to prison they too would transfer there valuables to a loved one. | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. . I can understand what you are saying. I am 50 / 50 as to whether to renew my membership and the fact we will never know if the previous owners family are still earning from the club does make it harder for me to commit one way or another. This is our problem as well at the moment. It is our nearest club and we've been once to the new venue and really liked it but at the moment feel uncomfortable potentially supporting them if there is still a financial link.. I can understand what you are saying on previous forums when I mentioned this I was told that I don’t know if they are still together , they don’t make millions and if someone knew they were going to prison they too would transfer there valuables to a loved one." He got a 12 yr sentence, will probably do less. Would you sign over everything you own to others given his age? | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. " If it would be my decision, child abusers and rapists would get much harder punishment, probably they would not live long after the verdict, and I`d not give a flying s... about their human rights. Though you can`t blame his ex-employees either his ex-girlfriend for the terrible acts that he did decades before any of them even knew him. I don`t think so that his ex-girlfriend was even aware of his past until the very last time when it got covered in the news. Would you brag to your girlfriend about your child-abuser past if you had something like that? Any of you, who met the guy in the old Kestrels can confirm, he didn`t seem to be a monster, he looked and acted like a pleasant, friendly gentleman. Now we all know, it wasnt the truth, but why do you think that his ex or business partners, team members would have thought any different about him as the rest of us? And don`t forget that they had lawsuits against them coz of the licencing issues connected to the previous club, (which I don`t think any of us on this website should morally condemn, many of you probably even signed the petition to save the old club) so he could easily use that case to cover the disgusting one. As even the licencing issues made it reasonable to write off everything from his name. His ex-partner and ex-employees have nothing to do with this, they had enough trouble because of him anyway. They are innocent and want to make a living. Really, what else should they do? | |||
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"..... what else should they do?" Confirm he has no equity or financial interest in the club either directly or in-directly? | |||
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"..... what else should they do? Confirm he has no equity or financial interest in the club either directly or in-directly?" The list of shareholders is public, he is not an owner anymore. Yes, his ex-girlfriend is involved. How could she prove that they do not have any personal agreement beyond the stages? She can say whatever she wants, you won`t believe her. But let me take a step beyond. Do you really think, that she was aware of the man`s past when she fell in love? Or even during the relationship? Why on Earth should the guy tell her about his terrible past? Don`t you think, that`s enough personal tragedy for a girl if she needs to realize that the man she loved, and who seemed to be a nice gent was a monster? Should she even shut down her business, and leave the country, or queue for benefits? I have no personal connection to her at all, not even sure about her name, but I feel sorry about her. Let me tell you an analogy. Maybe I`ll be called on bad names coz of it. I`ve seen it on many occasions with my own eyes. Some women find violent, aggressive men attractive. They know, the guy is a criminal, behave rude and violent with others in general but they find it "masculine", and for some reason, they believe they will be the only one that he will respect and treat well. Happily jump into relationships with these scumbags, give birth for his children, then when themselves and their children will get beaten up too, they will be surprised why did it happen... And no one from the community will blame the woman, or if yes, that will be called victim-blaming, so you are not even allowed to make a negative comment on the bad choice she made at the very beginning, even if it was obvious. Though here many of you would happily judge a woman who could not be even aware of the past and real personality of her partner who was a terrible monster but hidden behind a face of a posh, articulate gentleman... | |||
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"After the news relating to the previous owner, we will not be going anywhere near. Just feels wrong to be supporting anyone linked to that news. If it would be my decision, child abusers and rapists would get much harder punishment, probably they would not live long after the verdict, and I`d not give a flying s... about their human rights. Though you can`t blame his ex-employees either his ex-girlfriend for the terrible acts that he did decades before any of them even knew him. I don`t think so that his ex-girlfriend was even aware of his past until the very last time when it got covered in the news. Would you brag to your girlfriend about your child-abuser past if you had something like that? Any of you, who met the guy in the old Kestrels can confirm, he didn`t seem to be a monster, he looked and acted like a pleasant, friendly gentleman. Now we all know, it wasnt the truth, but why do you think that his ex or business partners, team members would have thought any different about him as the rest of us? And don`t forget that they had lawsuits against them coz of the licencing issues connected to the previous club, (which I don`t think any of us on this website should morally condemn, many of you probably even signed the petition to save the old club) so he could easily use that case to cover the disgusting one. As even the licencing issues made it reasonable to write off everything from his name. His ex-partner and ex-employees have nothing to do with this, they had enough trouble because of him anyway. They are innocent and want to make a living. Really, what else should they do?" . I agree that his family and friends did not know about his past.Unfortunately mud sticks and some people will be sceptical.As a couple on another thread pointed out to me plenty of people still pay their tv license to the BBC regardless of the Jimmy Saville scandal. I guess when it comes down to it we will all make our own decision that is right for us. I am not stupid enough to think that a single guy who will go 6-10 times a year will make or break the clubs profits. | |||
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"..... what else should they do? Confirm he has no equity or financial interest in the club either directly or in-directly? The list of shareholders is public, he is not an owner anymore. Yes, his ex-girlfriend is involved. How could she prove that they do not have any personal agreement beyond the stages? She can say whatever she wants, you won`t believe her. But let me take a step beyond. Do you really think, that she was aware of the man`s past when she fell in love? Or even during the relationship? Why on Earth should the guy tell her about his terrible past? Don`t you think, that`s enough personal tragedy for a girl if she needs to realize that the man she loved, and who seemed to be a nice gent was a monster? Should she even shut down her business, and leave the country, or queue for benefits? I have no personal connection to her at all, not even sure about her name, but I feel sorry about her. Let me tell you an analogy. Maybe I`ll be called on bad names coz of it. I`ve seen it on many occasions with my own eyes. Some women find violent, aggressive men attractive. They know, the guy is a criminal, behave rude and violent with others in general but they find it "masculine", and for some reason, they believe they will be the only one that he will respect and treat well. Happily jump into relationships with these scumbags, give birth for his children, then when themselves and their children will get beaten up too, they will be surprised why did it happen... And no one from the community will blame the woman, or if yes, that will be called victim-blaming, so you are not even allowed to make a negative comment on the bad choice she made at the very beginning, even if it was obvious. Though here many of you would happily judge a woman who could not be even aware of the past and real personality of her partner who was a terrible monster but hidden behind a face of a posh, articulate gentleman..." Hey Freddie. That's not the conclusion I came to when I looked at companies house. I could be wrong though. Can you DM me please and help me out? Obviously can't talk about it in a public forum when I'm not sure of the facts. | |||
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" Hey Freddie. That's not the conclusion I came to when I looked at companies house. I could be wrong though. Can you DM me please and help me out? Obviously can't talk about it in a public forum when I'm not sure of the facts." Sorry mate, honestly I`m not that interested about the case in general. As I said, I have no personal or any kind of connection to the club/management I`m only an occasional visitor, and I shared my views, but that`s it for me about this case. | |||
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