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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. " This is my theory too. | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. " Exactly. Not to mention the premium men have to pay in clothes shops. | |||
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"It’s never “sat right” with me either. I’m sure it breaks some equality law. If someone was prepared to put their “head on the block” and complain to the right authorities (equal opportunity law) then I’m sure it would be outlawed. " It doesn't break any equality law if they are private member's clubs and have different pricing to attract an under represented group of people. In that case it's explicitly legal. Until the gender pay gap is properly addressed and some of the other inequalities in life are dealt with then we're absolutely fine with it. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... " #metoo isn't about equality in the same sense, and is a really poor analogy for club pricing. | |||
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t!" Car insurance is the same price for men and women now  | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers." Good luck with that, personally we prefer couples only nights as we find groups of single men roaming around the clubs like daleks abit off putting  | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... " It is what it is. I’ve always taken the gender-biased pricing of the club scene on the chin, and just avoided the places I felt were (and still are) taking the mickey. | |||
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue." | |||
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue." Nail on the head. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers." Lol good luck, while you're protesting the unfairness of club prices for men can you also look into the gender pay gap, the difference in costs for women's toiletries and haircuts please? You can't ask for equality if you only want it for men. | |||
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue." This. We deliberately only attend on couples and single women nights. It’s a personal preference; we know men have their place in the scene but we find many of them creepy, just following you around etc. It’s not for us. It’s bad enough on Fab guys mithering you. I think the pricing is imbalanced and I understand the sentiment of the post but life isn’t always fair. I don’t see it as a punitive pricing for men, but more of an incentive-based pricing system to encourage more single women (who, lets face it aren’t as commonplace and are probably more hesitant to attend) | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers." The trouble is the number of single men who contact clubs 'oh great, yeh I'll come tonight.....and then bail' Clubs are listening to their customers, who wants a club full of just single men? That will put the women & couples off going, word gets round, single men stop going. Club closes. So please lobby for one price for all - see where it gets you. If you don't agree with the pricing of a club don't go, but please don't be led to believe you will be missed, another single male will take your place. If you think you can change that I really look forward to seeing your campaign. | |||
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t! Car insurance is the same price for men and women now "Car insurance isn’t provided by Private Members clubs 
But if you insist on using the analogy - haircuts, underwear and clothes are all cheaper for men. And that’s before we start on gender pay inequality or the small number of women that are found in senior positions.
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t! Car insurance is the same price for men and women now
Car insurance isn’t provided by Private Members clubs
But if you insist on using the analogy - haircuts, underwear and clothes are all cheaper for men. And that’s before we start on gender pay inequality or the small number of women that are found in senior positions.
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue. Nail on the head. "If it's a members club , membership and entry policy can control attendance, ratios etc | |||
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"It’s never “sat right” with me either. I’m sure it breaks some equality law. If someone was prepared to put their “head on the block” and complain to the right authorities (equal opportunity law) then I’m sure it would be outlawed. " Good luck with trying push that one through the court's  | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers." To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. | |||
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"Having been going to clubs for 17-18 years, I have no problem with marginally more than couples or single fems. I’d also add that after 2 years working in Germany; admission charges for single males in German clubs are far far higher than in the UK" Interesting outlook from another Country... | |||
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" Car insurance is the same price for men and women now "Exactly, be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. " I've always paid to get in - day or night! | |||
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" I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers." Well done. It's good to see that it works. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. I've always paid to get in - day or night! " And you're fine with that of course. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. The trouble is the number of single men who contact clubs 'oh great, yeh I'll come tonight.....and then bail' Clubs are listening to their customers, who wants a club full of just single men? That will put the women & couples off going, word gets round, single men stop going. Club closes. So please lobby for one price for all - see where it gets you. If you don't agree with the pricing of a club don't go, but please don't be led to believe you will be missed, another single male will take your place. If you think you can change that I really look forward to seeing your campaign. " So right. Obviously clubs do listen to their clientele and that's why they're there. If clubs listened to the OP then they'd fold because who wants to go to a male only club? Well, in saying that, the Gatehouse does have a very successful day on Tuesdays which is men only and specifically for them and still the same price. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. The trouble is the number of single men who contact clubs 'oh great, yeh I'll come tonight.....and then bail' Clubs are listening to their customers, who wants a club full of just single men? That will put the women & couples off going, word gets round, single men stop going. Club closes. So please lobby for one price for all - see where it gets you. If you don't agree with the pricing of a club don't go, but please don't be led to believe you will be missed, another single male will take your place. If you think you can change that I really look forward to seeing your campaign. So right. Obviously clubs do listen to their clientele and that's why they're there. If clubs listened to the OP then they'd fold because who wants to go to a male only club? Well, in saying that, the Gatehouse does have a very successful day on Tuesdays which is men only and specifically for them and still the same price. " So that’s the future then male only clubs! At the end of the day if men don’t like going to clubs where even with the pricing differential more men attend than women then they shouldn’t go. | |||
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"If it wasnt for Single Men paying a premium the majority of clubs wouldn't survive its there bread and butter... "So why are couples and single ladies nights so busy and popular? | |||
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"If it wasnt for Single Men paying a premium the majority of clubs wouldn't survive its there bread and butter...
So why are couples and single ladies nights so busy and popular?"I’ve walked out of three clubs because they were mostly filled with single guys, and one of them was Atlantis | |||
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"Everyone knows the reason why the charges are as they are. If clubs got rammed with single guy's you wouldn't get the couples attending. " Well I have to disagree with the couples not attending if too many single guys as there are a lot of us couples that specifically go to a club night just to meet said single guy swingers However, yes, the clubs set their prices for many reasons. Mainly single ladies do not attend in volume so it’s an incentive for them to go along and the higher price for single males is with the hope that genuine guys into the scene will attend rather than a whole load of males that see it as a cheap sex fuelled night out possibly after a pub night Couple prices I’ve always found as fair as there are actually 2 of you enjoying the night and facilities I’ve never really found any single guys moan about the pricing even when I used to host for clubs They always have the option to buddy up with a fem to go which does in fact do both of them a favour for nervousness attending anyway and cost Clubs are a business after all and if this pricing structure wasn’t there we would probably see a decline in the small amount of great lifestyle clubs we have at all | |||
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"If it wasnt for Single Men paying a premium the majority of clubs wouldn't survive its there bread and butter... "That is right | |||
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue. This. We deliberately only attend on couples and single women nights. It’s a personal preference; we know men have their place in the scene but we find many of them creepy, just following you around etc. It’s not for us. It’s bad enough on Fab guys mithering you. I think the pricing is imbalanced and I understand the sentiment of the post but life isn’t always fair. I don’t see it as a punitive pricing for men, but more of an incentive-based pricing system to encourage more single women (who, lets face it aren’t as commonplace and are probably more hesitant to attend)" This is accurate and why we do the same | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. Good luck with that, personally we prefer couples only nights as we find groups of single men roaming around the clubs like daleks abit off putting "^^^this | |||
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t! Car insurance is the same price for men and women now
Car insurance isn’t provided by Private Members clubs
But if you insist on using the analogy - haircuts, underwear and clothes are all cheaper for men. And that’s before we start on gender pay inequality or the small number of women that are found in senior positions.
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I couldn't give two hoots about men paying more for clubs. Frankly, if its a way to decrease the number of men, surely thats better for the men like me who do attend
But shoes on the other hand, why are mens shoes more expensive than womens? "Probably because we spend more money on shoes so can afford to keep them cheaper and sell more or we usually have smaller feet...  | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. I've always paid to get in - day or night! And you're fine with that of course. " Just stating its not always free for single women - we do contribute too. An evening could cost me, adding everything together over £70 without alcohol. | |||
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"Everyone knows the reason why the charges are as they are. If clubs got rammed with single guy's you wouldn't get the couples attending. Well I have to disagree with the couples not attending if too many single guys as there are a lot of us couples that specifically go to a club night just to meet said single guy swingers However, yes, the clubs set their prices for many reasons. Mainly single ladies do not attend in volume so it’s an incentive for them to go along and the higher price for single males is with the hope that genuine guys into the scene will attend rather than a whole load of males that see it as a cheap sex fuelled night out possibly after a pub night Couple prices I’ve always found as fair as there are actually 2 of you enjoying the night and facilities I’ve never really found any single guys moan about the pricing even when I used to host for clubs They always have the option to buddy up with a fem to go which does in fact do both of them a favour for nervousness attending anyway and cost Clubs are a business after all and if this pricing structure wasn’t there we would probably see a decline in the small amount of great lifestyle clubs we have at all "Can’t believe this is still a debate, the reply above is perhaps the most pertinent. I doubt clubs are the path to riches, if men pay less then the couples would have to pay more. Would you still get the numbers to make a club work? My regular club turns away guys in any case, even with the gender based pricing, to keep numbers under control, even on the gb nights, so its not deterring guys from attending. As stated elsewhere, visit a club in Europe if you want to see some even more stark price differentials. I’m OK with the way it is. | |||
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t!" Anf what if they are oy private members only clubs just turn up pay on door but still charged a higher price than females ? | |||
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"OP, if the price was the same for men and women, the ratio would be even more skewed towards sausage fest.... but feel free to prove me wrong by setting up your own venue. This. We deliberately only attend on couples and single women nights. It’s a personal preference; we know men have their place in the scene but we find many of them creepy, just following you around etc. It’s not for us. It’s bad enough on Fab guys mithering you. I think the pricing is imbalanced and I understand the sentiment of the post but life isn’t always fair. I don’t see it as a punitive pricing for men, but more of an incentive-based pricing system to encourage more single women (who, lets face it aren’t as commonplace and are probably more hesitant to attend)" I must say this works both ways! Let’s say a guy smacks a guy in the face, he would be ok to react by smacking him back? If a woman smacks a guy in the face, the guy would be expected to not retaliate. Now before you all jump on me, I’m not saying, and never will say, that hitting a woman is right. But sooooo many women walk around thinking it’s ok because they can’t be slapped back. What I’m saying is, it goes both ways LOL | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. The trouble is the number of single men who contact clubs 'oh great, yeh I'll come tonight.....and then bail' Clubs are listening to their customers, who wants a club full of just single men? That will put the women & couples off going, word gets round, single men stop going. Club closes. So please lobby for one price for all - see where it gets you. If you don't agree with the pricing of a club don't go, but please don't be led to believe you will be missed, another single male will take your place. If you think you can change that I really look forward to seeing your campaign. " We believe the price should be the same for all. However there should be quotas/caps/limits for how many can attend. Unfortunately its not the numbers of single men that put us off going to clubs that allow single guys, but the manners of certain individuals. But that can also apply to single fems and couples too. We've met some lovely people single gents, couples and single fems, but met some right fcuktards too. | |||
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"Men don't pay MORE, women pay LESS. They pay less to attract more to come... do we want more women in clubs?.. hmm let me think. "100% agree When this subject is discussed on here it’s always from the negative discrimination point of view but the reality is that the clubs or party hosts are positively discriminating for the ladies. It is a fact that significantly more single men are looking for nsa sex than single ladies. On this website the ratio of single men to single ladies is over 20:1. With this imbalance clubs have to do something to either reduce the number of single men or increase the number of ladies. Pricing is one of the few variables that can be used to do this. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... " As we understand, private clubs can charge what they want. | |||
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"Like Bumpkin said, this subject had been done to death on forums. It’s not illegal & it doesn’t break any equality laws - swingers clubs are private members clubs & under the Equality Act 2010 are entitled to set pricing accordingly. All clubs & events vary. Some have quite wide differences, some have costly memberships for single guys. Some don’t have such a big difference. Like anything, shop around. If a club is too expensive for you, look for one that isn’t! Car insurance is the same price for men and women now "yes because it was challenge in court , so nobody's going to do that are they. The club owners know they can get away with it. As for keeping the single guy ratio down what a load of nonsense just an opportunity rip off single men "sorry we are full for single men tonight" there you go how simple was that . I go to Gran Canaria on many occasions and Secrets Club try to charge me €50 I simply walked away, now fortunately there were better clubs €25 plus a drink so really only €20 and not all clubs here in the UK treat men with contempt. So if you see single guys here having little sympathy for some SOME clubs now you know why, here endith mad rant | |||
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"Everyone knows the reason why the charges are as they are. If clubs got rammed with single guy's you wouldn't get the couples attending. Well I have to disagree with the couples not attending if too many single guys as there are a lot of us couples that specifically go to a club night just to meet said single guy swingers However, yes, the clubs set their prices for many reasons. Mainly single ladies do not attend in volume so it’s an incentive for them to go along and the higher price for single males is with the hope that genuine guys into the scene will attend rather than a whole load of males that see it as a cheap sex fuelled night out possibly after a pub night Couple prices I’ve always found as fair as there are actually 2 of you enjoying the night and facilities I’ve never really found any single guys moan about the pricing even when I used to host for clubs They always have the option to buddy up with a fem to go which does in fact do both of them a favour for nervousness attending anyway and cost Clubs are a business after all and if this pricing structure wasn’t there we would probably see a decline in the small amount of great lifestyle clubs we have at all
Can’t believe this is still a debate, the reply above is perhaps the most pertinent. I doubt clubs are the path to riches, if men pay less then the couples would have to pay more. Would you still get the numbers to make a club work? My regular club turns away guys in any case, even with the gender based pricing, to keep numbers under control, even on the gb nights, so its not deterring guys from attending. As stated elsewhere, visit a club in Europe if you want to see some even more stark price differentials. I’m OK with the way it is."
For as long as I’ve been on here (7 years) this subject has always been debated and you can never please everyone
I’m a great believer that if you don’t want to pay it then don’t go ! And if like you, your happy to pay then go and have a bloody good time
I think so many people forget that actually the clubs cost a lot of money to run and have a very limited audience they appeal to anyway to even manage to keep their doors open ....
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. I've always paid to get in - day or night! And you're fine with that of course. Just stating its not always free for single women - we do contribute too. An evening could cost me, adding everything together over £70 without alcohol. " Last year, I was in Birmingham for the weekend, and looked at visiting one of the local clubs. With a membership fee of £40, plus an entry fee of £30, added to the taxi fare there and back of £50, that was £120 before I had a drink. I went down Broad Street instead  | |||
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So why are couples and single ladies nights so busy and popular?
I’ve walked out of three clubs because they were mostly filled with single guys, and one of them was Atlantis "You happened to come on the quietest night ever probably due to a combination of very poor weather and other events on that Friday night. The Saturday night for couples and single ladies was busier proving the point. | |||
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"Everyone knows the reason why the charges are as they are. If clubs got rammed with single guy's you wouldn't get the couples attending. Well I have to disagree with the couples not attending if too many single guys as there are a lot of us couples that specifically go to a club night just to meet said single guy swingers However, yes, the clubs set their prices for many reasons. Mainly single ladies do not attend in volume so it’s an incentive for them to go along and the higher price for single males is with the hope that genuine guys into the scene will attend rather than a whole load of males that see it as a cheap sex fuelled night out possibly after a pub night Couple prices I’ve always found as fair as there are actually 2 of you enjoying the night and facilities I’ve never really found any single guys moan about the pricing even when I used to host for clubs They always have the option to buddy up with a fem to go which does in fact do both of them a favour for nervousness attending anyway and cost Clubs are a business after all and if this pricing structure wasn’t there we would probably see a decline in the small amount of great lifestyle clubs we have at all
Can’t believe this is still a debate, the reply above is perhaps the most pertinent. I doubt clubs are the path to riches, if men pay less then the couples would have to pay more. Would you still get the numbers to make a club work? My regular club turns away guys in any case, even with the gender based pricing, to keep numbers under control, even on the gb nights, so its not deterring guys from attending. As stated elsewhere, visit a club in Europe if you want to see some even more stark price differentials. I’m OK with the way it is.
For as long as I’ve been on here (7 years) this subject has always been debated and you can never please everyone
I’m a great believer that if you don’t want to pay it then don’t go ! And if like you, your happy to pay then go and have a bloody good time
I think so many people forget that actually the clubs cost a lot of money to run and have a very limited audience they appeal to anyway to even manage to keep their doors open ....
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"What about just charging more if you turn up Work cloths extra £10 Married but on your own £10 Old jeans £10 In need of a wash £30 Fishing cloths £30 ( not joking ) Sure there's plenty more lol" what about a discount if your Well kept Smell good Are charming and charismatic Oh and are VWE | |||
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"Everyone knows the reason why the charges are as they are. If clubs got rammed with single guy's you wouldn't get the couples attending. " For sure but then why not have a guestlist like a normal nightclub? Keep the high-price entry for single guys arriving at the last minute, otherwise do advance tickets for people who are organised enough to book in advance. I have never understood the 'charge more' mentality. For one, the more someone has to pay, the more they expect for their outlay. Then secondly just because someone can afford to pay £££ - or doesn't care about the outlay - doesn't mean they're going to contribute any more value to the event. A badly behaved arsehole doesn't suddenly become a better person just because they've forked over triple the regular entry fee. | |||
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So why are couples and single ladies nights so busy and popular?
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" Car insurance is the same price for men and women now yes because it was challenge in court , so nobody's going to do that are they. The club owners know they can get away with it. As for keeping the single guy ratio down what a load of nonsense just an opportunity rip off single men "sorry we are full for single men tonight" there you go how simple was that . I go to Gran Canaria on many occasions and Secrets Club try to charge me €50 I simply walked away, now fortunately there were better clubs €25 plus a drink so really only €20 and not all clubs here in the UK treat men with contempt. So if you see single guys here having little sympathy for some SOME clubs now you know why, here endith mad rant "Someone could but in the case of car insurance they didn't reduce the car insurance for men, they just put it up for women so no one was a winner there. Depending on the night's and club's I go to I pay anything from £5 to £30, so its not really that bad. | |||
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"I cant believe some of these comments "over run by men" "cockfest" so basically club owners are unable to limit the number of single males seriously!!!" No thats not the case, up the price for couples or women and fewer would attend meaning the ratio of single men would be even higher. | |||
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"What strikes me as peculiar about people's problem with pricing differences is that it does actually appear to work (in that it reduces the number of single men), and benefits those men who pay the price of admission. More men means less chance of the men who go actually getting what they go there for. More men will also reduce the number of couples and single women going, again demonstrated above. Some already choose couples-only nights as attested to above. If the cost for single men goes down you'd get more men going. Some of the comments above attest to this. One particular guy is saying he won't go until prices change. That's an example of it working. If the price for couples goes up, fewer would go, reducing the chances of single men getting what they go there for. So with all these complaints, just remember: *IT WORKS*, not just for the people who pay less but also for the men who pay more. Changing the prices may get you in, but if there aren't the women there it seems like a pyrrhic victory. You might as well just go to a gay sauna. " Most of the men that I know that go to clubs think the price is fair and don't begrudge paying it. It does seem to me that alot of the 'chancers' are the ones wanting the price to be lowered, the ones that don't understand clubs and see them as a guaranteed shag, not a night out with the potential for fun. Obviously this isn't the case with all of the men that don't like the pricing structure. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... " If you are not happy then don’t attend! Me, I think the entry fees for men aren’t enough. If they were higher the club would attract a better clientele of single man because some single men attending clubs are below average with how they approach women! | |||
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" If you are not happy then don’t attend! Me, I think the entry fees for men aren’t enough. If they were higher the club would attract a better clientele of single man because some single men attending clubs are below average with how they approach women! I don't get why single men go to clubs full stop. But further raising the price won't "improve" the quality of men. It just means that the men who are prepared to pay more will attend. As I said before, it will make these men feel more entitled to action. If clubs want better clientele then they should either limit the amount of men entering or they should better screen their clients." I think you know why single men go to clubs! Raising the fee may not attract gangs of lads ‘out on the lash’ going to a club after the pub hoping for some action. This is what I have witnessed lots in clubs. Entitled? Well not if they were to approach me they would not! However I agree with your last paragraph | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. " I get what you're saying but a hair cut for a man can be a lot different for a woman. I can be in and out of a barbers seat in 5 to 10 mins for a trim where as my wife can be there for 90 mins getting her hair cut and styled. I've never assumed the pricing was about a persons sex but rather the time, skill and product invested into getting the hair cut you want. Obviously I could be wrong but it's what I always thought. | |||
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"I don’t mind paying the higher prices as a single male. It just means I may only go to a club say once a month. Unfortunately it is supply and demand. But why don’t more single women attend even at the much lower prices? It’s a shame really that more women won’t attend solo. " Probably for the same reasons that there are fewer single female profiles. | |||
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"The ratio of single males to everyone else attending is set when the male contacts the club prior to going to ask for permission to attend. Market forces are the driver behind the excessive cost of single male attendance. With all the clubs closed now is the time for single men to unite and lobby for clubs to match single male entry to that of couples or for a reasonable one person, one cost tariff. I for one will not be attending any clubs untill costs are reduced. If clubs want to get back in business then they need to listen to their customers. To be fair, you've need to change that to #mememe If you decide not to go to clubs because of the pricing policy then you're the one who's going to miss out. There are clubs and the Gatehouse is one, that is gender neutral and not only does it charge just £10.00 entrance per person whether you are male, female or non specific, tgirl plus whilst a lot of clubs charge a membership fee, again the Gatehouse doesn't. The prices haven't increased over at least 10 years.. However, because some other clubs allow free entry for single girls, the Gatehouse does have difficulty attracting them especially when some clubs also give them free entry and a bottle of wine. However, they have a very friendly clientele and the girls who do come in don't have a problem in the entrance fee. Unless or until you get a ratio of as many females attending as males, then you will always get that situation. Far better that the girls are allowed in free and get some in rather than charge, plus membership and get none in. I've always paid to get in - day or night! And you're fine with that of course. Just stating its not always free for single women - we do contribute too. An evening could cost me, adding everything together over £70 without alcohol. " And then the cost of our lingerie in comparison to a pair of gruds. | |||
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"I don’t mind paying the higher prices as a single male. It just means I may only go to a club say once a month. Unfortunately it is supply and demand. But why don’t more single women attend even at the much lower prices? It’s a shame really that more women won’t attend solo. " I attend clubs solo. I love paying only £5 entry fee | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen ......" That shouldn't happen regardless of the price a guy pays. A rich guy can be just as big a jerk as a pauper. If anyone ever gets that treatment in a club or anywhere else they should report it and not just accept it. If nothing is done then the man believes it is OK to behave that way. | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen ...... That shouldn't happen regardless of the price a guy pays. A rich guy can be just as big a jerk as a pauper. If anyone ever gets that treatment in a club or anywhere else they should report it and not just accept it. If nothing is done then the man believes it is OK to behave that way." Actually it’s assault if a man sexually touches a woman without consent and same vice versa. | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen plus the clubs would have more men than women , also some couples prefer single wimen to single men , if theres more single women then it would attract more couples. I agree there shouldn't be a higher charge for men but theres good reason for that to happen" Notwithstanding your unpleasant experience which is unacceptable and should lead to being thrown out I don't think there is any logic in your comments . | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen plus the clubs would have more men than women , also some couples prefer single wimen to single men , if theres more single women then it would attract more couples. I agree there shouldn't be a higher charge for men but theres good reason for that to happen" I've had more of that kind of behaviour in vanilla clubs than swingers clubs. | |||
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"Remembered listening in to a conversation between three men whilst dressing down. “This is expensive to get in”. Reply. “Cheaper than a brothel”. Kind of a metaphor of some people’s thinking. I’m please the prices are high, equally if I was a single male I’d be happy to pay, keep the dross out." I dont understand how wealth equates to the quality of person...it doesn't in any other aspect of life...membership , vetting and the quality of management and the way the club is run...minimise the dross as you put it whether that's couples or singles. | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen plus the clubs would have more men than women , also some couples prefer single wimen to single men , if theres more single women then it would attract more couples. I agree there shouldn't be a higher charge for men but theres good reason for that to happen Notwithstanding your unpleasant experience which is unacceptable and should lead to being thrown out I don't think there is any logic in your comments . " I know lots of couples who only play with women because of how some men behave | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen ...... That shouldn't happen regardless of the price a guy pays. A rich guy can be just as big a jerk as a pauper. If anyone ever gets that treatment in a club or anywhere else they should report it and not just accept it. If nothing is done then the man believes it is OK to behave that way. Actually it’s assault if a man sexually touches a woman without consent and same vice versa. "Totally agree , I always ask before I touch anyone | |||
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"From experience in a swingers club , they price it because some men touch women without asking and start an argument because they dont like rejection, I've had this happen where I said no and the guy turned nasty , if they lowered the price for men then more of that could happen plus the clubs would have more men than women , also some couples prefer single wimen to single men , if theres more single women then it would attract more couples. I agree there shouldn't be a higher charge for men but theres good reason for that to happen Notwithstanding your unpleasant experience which is unacceptable and should lead to being thrown out I don't think there is any logic in your comments . I know lots of couples who only play with women because of how some men behave " They must have been to some terrible clubs or have poor interpersonal skills if they consistently have problems interacting with single guys , the couple of clubs I have been to had normal pleasant sociable guys, for the most part. | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. " No I don't get your point. The price of a haircut is generally related to the time taken to complete the task. A man's haircut takes typically around 15 -20 minutes but women's haircut on average much longer, hence more expensive. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... " You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. " I think someone mentioned above, the only way to establish an equal entry fee to a club is for all men to boycott clubs which would see a drop in profits. But that won't happen as men are willing to pay. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. I think someone mentioned above, the only way to establish an equal entry fee to a club is for all men to boycott clubs which would see a drop in profits. But that won't happen as men are willing to pay. " A drop in profit will mean lots of "closed" signs going up. That benefits no-one. | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. I think someone mentioned above, the only way to establish an equal entry fee to a club is for all men to boycott clubs which would see a drop in profits. But that won't happen as men are willing to pay. A drop in profit will mean lots of "closed" signs going up. That benefits no-one." | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. " Damn right. Equality of pricing for men and women. Women should definitely pay the same as men. Nice to see someone fervently campaigning for this. It's usually wanting men to pay less. Bravo!!!! | |||
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"In the age of #MeToo and other equal opportunity campaigns, do you think it is still okay to charge premium entry fees to single men whilst pricing female entry a lot less? We understand this is to set an ideal ratio of male / female / couples and not be overrun by single guys...but it doesn't sit quite right with us. Discuss...... You're naive if you think the pricing is about anything other that capitalising on revenue potential. It is purely about supply and demand for said places in the venue. The gender balance in a club could easily be managed by setting and policing at reception the number of places for admission of different genders. Women have fought for equality for years. I sincerely believe these sexist pricing policies should be stopped and the admission price be made the same for everyone regardless of gender. " I disagree because if the price was the same then the clubs would be overrun with single men! I say raise the fees and keep the riff raff out! | |||
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"I don’t mind paying the higher prices as a single male. It just means I may only go to a club say once a month. Unfortunately it is supply and demand. But why don’t more single women attend even at the much lower prices? It’s a shame really that more women won’t attend solo. I attend clubs solo. I love paying only £5 entry fee "£5? I thought the national club entry fee for single women was 47p with £10 cashback? | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. No I don't get your point. The price of a haircut is generally related to the time taken to complete the task. A man's haircut takes typically around 15 -20 minutes but women's haircut on average much longer, hence more expensive. " What about toiletries, razors etc. We pay far more than men. | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. No I don't get your point. The price of a haircut is generally related to the time taken to complete the task. A man's haircut takes typically around 15 -20 minutes but women's haircut on average much longer, hence more expensive. What about toiletries, razors etc. We pay far more than men. " Next thing you know women will be asking us to pay for their site supporter upgrades....oh, wait a minute, that's already happening | |||
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"Supply and demand I’m afraid..... have you seen what women pay for a haircut. Not quite the same thing I admit but you get the point. No I don't get your point. The price of a haircut is generally related to the time taken to complete the task. A man's haircut takes typically around 15 -20 minutes but women's haircut on average much longer, hence more expensive. What about toiletries, razors etc. We pay far more than men. Next thing you know women will be asking us to pay for their site supporter upgrades....oh, wait a minute, that's already happening " Hey, next thing men will be asking for equality in club prices while purposely ignoring the inequality women suffer. | |||
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"If it wasnt for Single Men paying a premium the majority of clubs wouldn't survive its there bread and butter... "Not true. Some only allow single guy's in on one night. The best clubs in Holland don't allow single guy's. Swinging is, in the main, a couples sport. | |||
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"If the clubs really wanted to keep a decent ratio of men to women/couples, they just set an upper limit on the number of tickets sold to men. But no. They would rather limit men by getting them to pay over the odds for the sake of their own profits not their patrons' enjoyment. Which, I think, frankly sucks. And not in a fun way. Lx" Most clubs don’t run a ticket system so they would be turning guys away after the first hour of opening. Not great for the guys if they have traveled and great distance to get there. | |||
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"Agreed. And people saying clubs would be full of single guys is just stupid. Guys that don't go wouldn't just start going cause it's a tenner cheaper to get in. "Interesting to see how long clubs would run if single guys boycot them"." Congrats. You've just made the argument for the higher pricing structure for men. If clubs charged men £10 to get in instead of £40, they'd need 4 times the amount of men to attend to make a profit. Rather than let 10 single men in they'd have to let in 40. Assuming they can find 40 single men of course. Say 8 out of the 10 get lucky, now you've got 32 frustrated men. No sex and they'll stop attending. Too many men and the women and couples will stop attending. No women, no couples and the single men will stop attending. I don't get what people don't get about the pricing structures. Seems obvious, logical and reasonable to me. *shrugs | |||
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"Like I said in my earlier post all these comments have been made 100 times over previously on here over the years. The higher price is there for a reason if you want to know the many reasons just do a search for single guys clubs and read away to your heart’s content, just allow for quite a few hours reading " nice suit  | |||
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"As a gold member at OP4F in North London I pay £30 for a Tuesday night £50 for a Friday night and if I want to go on a Saturday it’s £70 limited to 5 select after midnight.I have no problem with this price structure as when I go which tends to be a Friday as it’s the end of my working week I go with the intention of having a good night out and anything else is a bonus.No expectations No disappointment." So how much do they charge non members at this fine establishment if a member has to pay that much | |||
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"As a gold member at OP4F in North London I pay £30 for a Tuesday night £50 for a Friday night and if I want to go on a Saturday it’s £70 limited to 5 select after midnight.I have no problem with this price structure as when I go which tends to be a Friday as it’s the end of my working week I go with the intention of having a good night out and anything else is a bonus.No expectations No disappointment. So how much do they charge non members at this fine establishment if a member has to pay that much" . It’s a members only club you apply for membership together with a face picture and wait to be accepted | |||
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"As a gold member at OP4F in North London I pay £30 for a Tuesday night £50 for a Friday night and if I want to go on a Saturday it’s £70 limited to 5 select after midnight.I have no problem with this price structure as when I go which tends to be a Friday as it’s the end of my working week I go with the intention of having a good night out and anything else is a bonus.No expectations No disappointment. So how much do they charge non members at this fine establishment if a member has to pay that much. It’s a members only club you apply for membership together with a face picture and wait to be accepted " I imagine the London weighting makes this club seem more expensive than it’s contemporaries around the country, although I have to say; there’s no way I would be hanging around until midnight on a Saturday night, waiting for the off-chance of a late entry. My £70 would be better spent elsewhere for sure | |||
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"Agreed. And people saying clubs would be full of single guys is just stupid. Guys that don't go wouldn't just start going cause it's a tenner cheaper to get in. "Interesting to see how long clubs would run if single guys boycot them". Congrats. You've just made the argument for the higher pricing structure for men. If clubs charged men £10 to get in instead of £40, they'd need 4 times the amount of men to attend to make a profit. Rather than let 10 single men in they'd have to let in 40. Assuming they can find 40 single men of course. Say 8 out of the 10 get lucky, now you've got 32 frustrated men. No sex and they'll stop attending. Too many men and the women and couples will stop attending. No women, no couples and the single men will stop attending. I don't get what people don't get about the pricing structures. Seems obvious, logical and reasonable to me. *shrugs " It is obvious, logical and reasonable! | |||
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"As a gold member at OP4F in North London I pay £30 for a Tuesday night £50 for a Friday night and if I want to go on a Saturday it’s £70 limited to 5 select after midnight.I have no problem with this price structure as when I go which tends to be a Friday as it’s the end of my working week I go with the intention of having a good night out and anything else is a bonus.No expectations No disappointment. So how much do they charge non members at this fine establishment if a member has to pay that much. It’s a members only club you apply for membership together with a face picture and wait to be accepted I imagine the London weighting makes this club seem more expensive than it’s contemporaries around the country, although I have to say; there’s no way I would be hanging around until midnight on a Saturday night, waiting for the off-chance of a late entry. My £70 would be better spent elsewhere for sure ". Yes London clubs are generally more expensive and we only two which are both members only.With regards to the Saturday where they only allow 5 single select guys you send them a txt between 12.00 pm to 5.00 pm on the Saturday all names go into a electronic hat and the 5 select guys get a txt around 7.00 pm so you are not left hanging around until midnight | |||
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"Blimey I can’t believe this subject has been resurrected it’s been discussed to death over the years on here." Because what’s culturally acceptable and legal does change over time and often small business fail to respond and so find themselves in breach of laws by doing nothing. It’s very common | |||
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"I’m not sure exactly how hairdressers and clubs get around the law by charging differently based on biological sex of the customer, for the exact same product, it’s doesn't seem legal under consumer law and may also be a case of gender discrimination. Are there any other examples where the cost of the same product or service has different prices for biological sex or gender of the customer." A lady have a haircut can be very different to a gent going in for a haircut, not the same at all. | |||
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"Blimey I can’t believe this subject has been resurrected it’s been discussed to death over the years on here. Because what’s culturally acceptable and legal does change over time and often small business fail to respond and so find themselves in breach of laws by doing nothing. It’s very common " But the laws haven't changed since the question was last asked. Apart from COVID regulations. | |||
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"As a gold member at OP4F in North London I pay £30 for a Tuesday night £50 for a Friday night and if I want to go on a Saturday it’s £70 limited to 5 select after midnight.I have no problem with this price structure as when I go which tends to be a Friday as it’s the end of my working week I go with the intention of having a good night out and anything else is a bonus.No expectations No disappointment. So how much do they charge non members at this fine establishment if a member has to pay that much. It’s a members only club you apply for membership together with a face picture and wait to be accepted I imagine the London weighting makes this club seem more expensive than it’s contemporaries around the country, although I have to say; there’s no way I would be hanging around until midnight on a Saturday night, waiting for the off-chance of a late entry. My £70 would be better spent elsewhere for sure . Yes London clubs are generally more expensive and we only two which are both members only.With regards to the Saturday where they only allow 5 single select guys you send them a txt between 12.00 pm to 5.00 pm on the Saturday all names go into a electronic hat and the 5 select guys get a txt around 7.00 pm so you are not left hanging around until midnight "So if you are one of the chosen few, you're only allowed in after midnight though? | |||
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"While ever single men keep paying these highly inflated prices the club's will continue to rip you off "There’s a waiting list at some clubs to join as a single gent so are the prices actually inflated? Most clubs charge similar prices so doesn’t that equate to an RRP? Being ripped off would suggest getting better value elsewhere so where is that? | |||
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"Its an illegal practice which will continue until someone challenges it in a court of law. The differences between razors etc thwt otfen get mentioned are they are not the same product and the costs of R&D will be recovered through a increase in price with a limited market. Now if a shop was selling a generic razor pt 3 to a man for £2 and a women for £4 that would be illegal. There is nothing stopping a woman from buying a "male" razor and using those, better still go ti a de safety razor and get a better and much cheaper shave (although more chance of cuts) " It isn't an illegal practice for a private members club. | |||
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